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New XBMC Port Promises ARM-Powered HD In the Palm of Your Hand

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the melts-in-your-mouth dept.

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Engadget has a recent teaser video promising HD content via XBMC running on a 600MHz Beagleboard. This could mean great things for home theater putterers, with the Beagleboard tipping the scales at a modest $150 and the ability to fit in the palm of your hand. Already running on everything from MIDs to AppleTVs and now moving to ARM-powered devices like the Beagleboard, it looks like XBMC needs to be renamed from "Xbox Media Center" to "ubiquitous media center."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951714)

barack obama has AIDS.

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951752)

YOU LIE!

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951790)

but niggers already have the government in the palm of their hands, they call it welfare. how will they have room for the arm-powered hd? they will need bigger hands! funny too cuz their palms and bottom of feet are the whitest parts of a nigger.

Where he got it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951840)

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com] ' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org] .

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:Where he got it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952052)

Your deep knowledge of homosexuality is proof that you need to leave the closet.

Re:Where he got it (1)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952118)

Don't you ever get bored?

Re:fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29953076)

barack obama has AIDES.

FTFY.

Cheapest (2, Interesting)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951718)

This looks incredible if they can pull it off, but until this is out, what is the cheapest XBMC machine I could throw together that would be able to play any content I throw at it?

I'd love to jump on upgrading from my vintage Xbox XBMC, but I'd hate to drop a few hundred on an upgrade only to find out that it plays 99% of videos out there, but chokes on all high bit rate 1080p MKVs with lots of action, or something like that.

Re:Cheapest (4, Informative)

Henriok (6762) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951758)

600 MHz ARM-processor won't be able to play 1080p MKV. This can almost play 480p apparently.

Re:Cheapest (0, Redundant)

aicrules (819392) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951794)

so we just need two of them!

Re:Cheapest (3, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951884)

Hardware Decoder...

Right now people are working on getting the CrystalHD from Broadcom working under OS X and Linux. Supposedly they can't release it for NDA reasons. [xbmc.org]

Then there is also VDPAU. I know there isn't an ARM port (YET!). Feature Set C decodes nearly everything in HD. I was playing 1080p with 10% CPU.

There are a ton of those set top box devices from WD and other companies that advertise to 1080P with a small fanless device.

Re:Cheapest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951910)

It all comes down to what's on the board. No one does 1080p in software anymore, unless you're a 2nd class citizen with drivers and vid cards. Many consumer devices are coming with blu-ray ICs for media handling, like the range from sigma. They're cheap, they handle just about everything you throw at them, and there's little CPU involvement. Even TVs have these chips built in today, the need for HTPC is almost redundant if you have new gear. E.g. Samsung's TVs will play mkv from a network device, I'm sure other brands offer similar functionality.

Re:Cheapest (1)

Helen Keller (842669) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952632)

Many consumer devices are coming with blu-ray ICs for media handling, like the range from sigma. They're cheap, they handle just about everything you throw at them, and there's little CPU involvement.

While we're on the subject of TLAs, does it enforce DRM?

Re:Cheapest (3, Insightful)

slim (1652) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953838)

does it enforce DRM?

XBMC? The media player that plays video files inside RARs on the fly?

No, enforcing DRM is not one of their priorities.

Re:Cheapest (4, Informative)

RattFink (93631) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952032)

The processor on the board, a OMAP3530, also has a ~500mhz C64x+ DSP and a POWERVR SGX video accellerator. There is plenty of power on it.

Re:Cheapest (3, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#29953166)

The processor on the board, a OMAP3530, also has a ~500mhz C64x+ DSP and a POWERVR SGX video accellerator. There is plenty of power on it.

Yeah, its right there in the name!

Re:Cheapest (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952072)

Its not really the Arm doing the heavy lifting here. Its the coprocessors. Beagle board is based on the TI OMAP 3530 chipset that has hardware acceleration for a large number of video codecs and definately supports at least 720p HD video output.

Re:Cheapest (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955618)

Except there aren't really any opensource tools that can take advantage of that hardware on the OMAP3.

Re:Cheapest (1)

AmericanGladiator (848223) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952082)

There's already a distribution of Angstrom Linux that'll do 720p24 decode using only the ARM + NEON acceleration without any optimization IIRC (surf around on beagleboard.org). To go much further though, they'll need to take advantage of the TMS320C64x+ DSP also in the OMAP.

Re:Cheapest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952908)

$150 for a new 600mhz ARM based beagleboard with OpenGL ES 2.0, or $50 for used refurbished 733mhz Pentium-3 based Xbox with Nvidia NV2A.

Both run Linux. Xbox also runs Xbox titles and plays DVDs.

Which would you choose?

Re:Cheapest (1)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954108)

Well, one fits in the palm of your hand and consumes under 2.5watts. The other, not so much.

Re:Cheapest (1)

ZorMonkey (653731) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954524)

The XBox can not do HD reliably enough though. 720p is the best you'll do (although you can squeeze a bit of 1080i out of it). And x264 performance isn't great (you'll get a lot of dropped frames, if it works), so you'll be stuck with xvid. But it is quite nice for the price.

The power of a good DSP... (1)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956134)

You're right, a 600MHz ARM can not decode 1080p HD video, a 2-odd GHz Core 2 Duo (with no other hardware acceleration) struggles to do that.

The Beagleboard also has a ::href="http://www.bdti.com/procsum/tic64xx.htm">TMS320C64x DSP that can decode HD video.

TI also make a DaVinci SoC [ti.com] that can do realtime HD transcoding - decoding and reencoding.

Over on YouTube [youtube.com] is a beagleboard doing 720p HD video already...

Re:Cheapest (5, Informative)

Vuojo (1547799) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951812)

Anything with Nvidias ION board can handle high bitrate 1080p movies without dropped frames. Here is a link to the board I used for my XBMC http://pden.zotac.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=169&category_id=15&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 [zotac.com]

Re:Cheapest (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952038)

Have there been improvements since this post? I just headed over to the XBMC forums and looked for relevant posts, and came across this post claiming they had some dropped frames with the Zotac IONITX-C-U and the Zotac IONITX-D-E:
http://www.xbmc.org/forum/showpost.php?p=411435&postcount=5 [xbmc.org]

Thanks!

Re:Cheapest (1)

Vuojo (1547799) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952326)

I have never had dropped frames with my box. It has 4GB of memory and I'm using XBMC Live installed on a flash card so there aren't any extra processes wasting CPU time. It would be nice to hear if those who are experiencing dropped frames are using stock Ubuntu installs or XBMC Live installs.

Re:Cheapest (1)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952636)

Oops, actually I just re-read my link, and realized that what he's saying is that the D-E didn't drop frames but the C-U did. Both the D-E and the A that you have use dual core Atom 330's. In fact, I can't seem to figure out what the difference is being the A and the D-E from Zotac's horrible website.

Maybe I'll look into getting one of the Atom 330 ones like you have for myself.

Have you tried many of the alternative fancier skins with transparency and title lookup/cover preview? Do those run smoothly on your system?

Thanks for the help!

Re:Cheapest (1)

clarkn0va (807617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29953052)

The A model takes DC input and ships with a 90W power brick. The other Atom 330 model takes standard ATX power input.

I have watched plenty of trouble-free 1080p on my IonITX-A board running Ubuntu (no XBMC, just smplayer with the vdpau patches) all while seeding multiple torrents from the same internal hard drive.

Re:Cheapest (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954128)

I am planning to build an ION system with Tiny Core Linux on flash based media for storage (SATA to SDHC or CF connector). Have you tried compiling anything on it? I worry that the performance may be unbearable since flash can't really handle writing of small files well.

Re:Cheapest (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952048)

This suggestion is great for downloaded media. The problem these days comes in when you try to stream HD content from Hulu or other sites. Then you can say goodbye to any semblance of hardware decoding -- you're back to relying on a beefy processor.

Re:Cheapest (1)

AmiMoJo (196126) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952544)

Plus you can get an Acer Aspire box for $200 which comes with a 160GB HDD and uses x86 so it can do other stuff (XBMC runs on top of Linux so you can install a full distro and run servers etc). The HDD is useful for recording to or using a local video storage, and the nVidia ION GPU does 1080p without problems as well as running many games.

While ARM is very low power and this is a clever solution, when it comes to the bottom end of the market it will have to be spectacular to compete with generic x86 nettops or it's price advantage will very quickly slip away.

Re:Cheapest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952860)

Here's a review of one of the Zotac ION boards at Anandtec [anandtech.com] , and here's a link to some customer reviews at newegg [newegg.com] . They are sold with an external (brick) power supply or an ATX connector. An interesting little critter, this board, if your CPU demands aren't high, but you need decent video performance and low power usage.

Re:Cheapest (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954328)

that board you linked to says that it's compatible with Intel Atom( x86 ) and so right there you are talking over 10W of power minimum. The beagle, IIRC, runs at less than 5W so as long as you don't need it to run in your hand or run for very long in your hand, other x86 based configurations would work.

The beagleboard or more specifically the ARM Cortex-a8 boards are very powerful with little power usage. That's why they are what's in the new smartphones like the iPhone GS and Motorola Droid amongst others.

LoB

Power Usage (1)

PhunkySchtuff (208108) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956236)

The BeagleBoard draws a maximum of 375mA when powered from 5V. This is the whole system running at full tilt, with an SD card etc. That equates to a power draw of 1.875W (0.375 x 5) and realistically you're going to be looking at a much lower power draw than this in regular usage.

I have a BeagleBoard with Ubuntu installed and did an apt-get ubuntu-netbook-remix on it. It took a few hours of pretty much 100% CPU utilisation and the chip was barely warm to the touch...

Power figures are quoted from the latest Hardware Reference Manual [beagleboard.org] - warning PDF link...

Mine cost me $85 (4, Informative)

Phil Urich (841393) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951996)

I just threw an NVIDIA 8400 GS 512MB PCI card into my ancient PIII 600mHz, and since I'm running Linux (Ubuntu 9.04 although I've seriously tweaked the install) XBMC just uses VDPAU to offload all the rendering to the video card. And yes, it can do 1080p x264 video just fine, which amuses me to no end since the majority of the parts in that computer are from 1999!

If you don't have a spare old computer around, or you want to buy a complete solution, basically any of the "Ion-based" nettops should be cheap, tiny and get the job done. There's tons out there, and you can even get one from System76 that already has Ubuntu installed ( http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=27&products_id=95 [system76.com] ) at which point you only need to add the XBMC PPA to the repository list, click install and apply, and voila, a tiny cheap machine capable of 1080p video. For some anecdotal evidence on how easily these setups can run you can hunt around the XBMC forums a bit. Basically the key is just to get any kind of machine with a GeForce 8-or-later card in it, and the newer ones have even more features as far as using VDPAU is concerned.

Re:Cheapest (2, Informative)

drgould (24404) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952146)

A recent Lifehacker article [lifehacker.com] suggested the $200 Acer Aspire Revo [newegg.com] . Pros: 160GB HD, HMDI output, Gigabit ethernet, reportably plays 1080p, runs XBMC. Cons: single-core, 1GB RAM, no built-in expandability, WiFi or IR.

For $320, the Revo's big brother [newegg.com] also has dual-core, 2GB RAM and built-in WiFi.

Re:Cheapest (1)

ZZane (144066) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954700)

There's an open SODIMM slot inside and you can expand to 2 or possibly 3GB (I have 2GB in mine). There also appears to be an open mini-pci slot inside where a wifi card could be installed. Looks like you could pretty easily swap out the HD for a large one as well.

Re:Cheapest (1)

WilliamX (22300) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952694)

Personally, I think this isn't a very attractive option at all. The Beagleboard is.roughly $150? The Zatec Ion board (Intel Atom dual core processor using Nvidia's Ion chipset) is around $172 ($190 with the powerbrick), cheaper if you go for the single core version. And would far out perform the Beagleboard.

Re:Cheapest (1)

WilliamX (22300) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952760)

Forgot to mention the $172 and $190 prices include a mini-pci-e wireless card installed. And with a low cost M350 Mini-ITX case, you can mount the system on the tv itself using the wall mounts.

Re:Cheapest - Under $300 (1)

ironicsky (569792) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952840)

Checkout www.mini-box.com [mini-box.com]
I am building a system from them to do XBMC on my TV
The Board I am buying is this one here Zotac ION [mini-box.com]
  • WIFI Card
  • HDMI Out
  • Optical Audio Out
  • VGA Out / DVI Out

Slap it in a vesa mounted cheap case [mini-box.com] with a laptop hard drive and I'm done.

My whole media system will be under $300, vesa mounted to the back of my TV and controlled with my existing ATI/X10 Media remote.
All my cds/dvds have been backed up to my file server which has mountable network shares for XBMC to use.

Long live XBMC!

Re:Cheapest - Under $300 (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953496)

I just looked and found that XBMC isn't just for xbox any longer...looks impressive.

I've always played with MythTV...how would people that have used both compare them? Pros vs Cons of each system?

Re:Cheapest - Under $300 (2, Informative)

MorderVonAllem (931645) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955542)

There's a way to watch/play mythtv recordings/live tv on xbmc using the myth:// protocol [xbmc.org] . I find that xbmc works a lot better than myth for existing media and don't bother running the mythtv frontend.

Re:Cheapest - Under $300 (2, Informative)

Eil (82413) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956212)

XBMC is a media player only. If you want to record TV, you still need Myth. If you don't, XBMC is roughly 325 million times easier to set up and use.

Re:Cheapest - Under $300 (1)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956250)

"XBMC is a media player only. If you want to record TV, you still need Myth. If you don't, XBMC is roughly 325 million times easier to set up and use."

So, it is basically a glorified DVD player?

Re:Cheapest (1)

ZZane (144066) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954628)

Acer Aspire Revo. You can pick one up for $200 at Best Buy in store or buy online at Newegg, Amazon, etc.

Specs: Atom 230, nVidia ION LE, 1GB RAM (expandable to 2 or 3), 160GB HD, HDMI & VGA, 6 USB 2.0, 1 eSATA, 1 Gigabit ethernet port, SD slot. Pulls 65 watts max and physical size is 7.1"x7.1"x1.2".

This can play back full 1080p without dropping frames and will run XBMC or Boxee under both Windows and Linux.

I purchased one yesterday and so far I've run XBMC under Linux and Boxee under both Windows and Linux and will be sticking with Boxee running under Ubuntu 9.10. The performance is great and currently the only down side is that flash playback isn't very good but Flash 10.1 will fix that.

Re:Cheapest (1)

psbrogna (611644) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955476)

It's not the cheapest but the Phenom Quad Cores can actually rip a DVD and play hi-def off the hard drive at the same time. I put together a box based on one of these for around $400 (4 Gb RAM + 1 TB storage + DVD drive, used on-board everything else cause it was good 'nuf). If you've got a monster DVD collection you're looking to rip to HD it's all about how many DVDs you can feed it every night without cutting into "theater hours."

Re:Cheapest (1)

hairyfeet (841228) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955690)

It ain't dirt cheap like a beagle, but if you want it to work any format you can throw at it something like this [newegg.com] would be your best bet. It has an Atom dual, ION graphics, 2Gb of RAM, 320Gb HDD, and a slim DVD burner to top it off. Put in a cheap capture card and you are ready to go.

And if you have an XP Pro license lying around you can look up "TinyXP Beast Edition" which is an ultra stripped down XP Pro that only uses 63Mb of RAM and almost no CPU, great for running something like XMBC or my favorite Mediaportal [team-mediaportal.com] . Of course you can always go with the new Win7 HP, but I figure why add the extra bloat if you don't need it. But the above box with either media center sounds like just what you are looking for, something that will play all formats and still look nice in the entertainment center.

Re:Cheapest (1)

pjl5602 (150416) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956190)

Yeah, I wish ASRock made a real bare-bones model with no hard drive and no optical drive vs. just no operating system. I'd be all over it.

Re:Cheapest (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 3 years ago | (#29956016)

I'd love to jump on upgrading from my vintage Xbox XBMC, but I'd hate to drop a few hundred on an upgrade only to find out that it plays 99% of videos out there, but chokes on all high bit rate 1080p MKVs with lots of action, or something like that.

It's been 6-8 months since I last used XBMC, but back then I couldn't even get it to keep the audio and video from an AVI file in sync, it dropped frames when playing DVDs, and functions could only be mapped to a single key, not a key combination (due to the backwards way that the functions were mapped - IIRC the mapping file was by key, not by function). The UI was great for the most part, but it didn't work very well at - you know - playing videos. This was on a P4 system with 2GB of RAM, an Nvidia video chipset, and the Nvidia binary Linux driver, so performance shouldn't have been a concern. I have trouble imagining it working better on a lower-powered system.

Small Correction: (4, Informative)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951764)

The Beagleboard runs at 500Mhz, not 600Mhz (they underclock the processor for reliability. I have one btw)

Re:Small Correction: (1)

PaintyThePirate (682047) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952088)

Indeed. Apparently they are releasing Rev C4 [google.com] of it soon with a 720Mhz processor though.

Re:Small Correction: (1)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952342)

I just noticed that although a stock Beagle Board is 500MHZ, it's possible to change the clock speed in the BIOS [elinux.org] , so maybe he's already driving/overdriving the processor in this instance.

Re:Small Correction: (2, Insightful)

sootman (158191) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953642)

And for those who have never heard of or seen a Beagleboard, it's worth noting that it doesn't have a built-in display. So the headline should be "New XBMC Port Promises ARM-Powered HD Source in the Palm of Your Hand." Which is still pretty cool but I thought they were talking about something that I could hold in my hand and watch. Note to headline writers: small is great, but "fits in your hand" isn't too special unless the device is intended to be used while in your hand.

Why do I have to wait 30 seconds for Post Preview? (0, Offtopic)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951836)

It's hardly even worth actively participating in discussion anymore...

Didn't XBMC drop the Xbox support awhile ago? (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 4 years ago | (#29951980)

I seem to remember a year or two ago there was a call for maintainers of the Xbox port - seeing that they want to get away from it (old/obsolete hardware that few people have left, requires use of Xbox SDK that no one has access to now (legally)).

Of course, the ability to run elsewhere (Windows/Mac/Linux/etc) has given it a lot more legitimacy in the world, so I think the Xbox side has been downplayed to be almost non-existent now.

Re:Didn't XBMC drop the Xbox support awhile ago? (1)

Pvt_Ryan (1102363) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952062)

As far as i know the Xbox version is in maintaince only, no new features just big fixes. The never distributed the binary but instead let others do that.

Re:Didn't XBMC drop the Xbox support awhile ago? (2, Informative)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952194)

Someone is still making nightly builds: http://sshcs.com/xbmc/ [sshcs.com]

It's getting almost all the same new features and bug fixes as everything else. From what I understand it is one massive main source trunk. Everything platform specific is taken care of by #if statements and the config script.

Re:Didn't XBMC drop the Xbox support awhile ago? (1)

Civil_Disobedient (261825) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952710)

I seem to remember a year or two ago there was a call for maintainers of the Xbox port

Funny, I recall a few years before that when the XBMC group were positively adamant that they would never, ever do a Linux port because so much of the code relied on DirectX (MS-only) routines.

I'm extremely grateful they decided to change their position.

Not up to the task (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29951984)

ARM gave one of my classes a presentation about the beagleboard and showed a demo. It could barely handle 720p video, and it lagged a lot of the time.

Re:Not up to the task (1)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952110)

The smart thing to do would be to offload the streaming to a suitable DSP chip. I have no idea to what extent the BeagleBoard supports this (probably does).

Re:Not up to the task (1)

slim (1652) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952138)

/me follows up self.

See other people's posts above. The BB has a TI decoder chip on it as standard.

XBMC has been renamed (1)

Morose (32606) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952000)

Although it's easy to still think of it as the X-Box Media Center still, it's been renamed to XBMC Media Center for quite awhile owing to the vast amount of systems it runs on. Lovely fact checking there /. :P

Re:XBMC has been renamed (0, Redundant)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952092)

" XBMC Media Center"

Isn't that Redundant? I thought that XBMC = X-Box Media Center. Did they rename it to X-Box Media Center Media Center?

Re:XBMC has been renamed (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952218)

" XBMC Media Center"

Isn't that Redundant?

No more redundant than "GNU's Not UNIX".

Re:XBMC has been renamed (1)

EllisDees (268037) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954652)

No, if it were recursive, it would be XMC Media Center. XBMC is just a case of plain old RAS Syndrome [wikipedia.org]

Re:XBMC has been renamed (1)

analogheretic (968969) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952470)

It's "recursive" not "redundant."

Re:XBMC has been renamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952730)

LOGIC FAIL

Re:XBMC has been renamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952828)

GNU is recursive,

XBMC media center is merely redundant.

Re:XBMC has been renamed (1)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 4 years ago | (#29953104)

It's a recursive acronym. Like GNU.

Re:XBMC has been renamed (1)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953306)

Isn't that Redundant?

No, because "XBMC" is now an opaque identifier, not an acronym. So "XBMC Media Center" doesn't expand to "Xbox Media Center Media Center", or to anything else.

Re:XBMC has been renamed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952130)

So it went from the Xbox Media Center to the XB Media Center Media Center?

XBMC360 (1)

stim (732091) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952026)

But when will it run on an xbox 360?

Re:XBMC360 (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952788)

The 360 out-of-the-box with system updates already does quite a bit. I think I use mine for games maybe 15% of the time at most anymore.

So.... (1)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952096)

Is that an HD Beagleboard in your pocket, or you just happy to see me in 1080p?

XMBC, XLST, HTTP, XMLS, ARM, HD, BlueTooth, (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952116)

plus NASCAR, NRA, and NFL Football.

keep the entertainment addiction... while your Gulag U.S.A. collapses into oblivion. [youtube.com]

Yours In Novorossisysk,
Kilgore T.

Does this come with TI driver source code? (1)

CockMonster (886033) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952398)

Because I've seen some TI driver source code and it's frankly, shit. No wonder they left the camera module off

Re:Does this come with TI driver source code? (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955766)

Be glad you don't need to read TI datasheets.

Pandora? (2, Insightful)

Spykk (823586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952436)

As I recall, the pandora [openpandora.org] handheld is also built on an OMAP3530 and has a video out jack. Video playback didn't work out so well for Sony's PSP, but having a HTPC in my pocket that can stream my videos over the network seems like a good thing.

Re:Pandora? (1)

nevermore94 (789194) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952838)

Sweet! Another reason why I can't wait to get my Pandora in another 1-2 months.

Points wrong/missing in summary (5, Informative)

donj (1588293) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952620)

1. XBMC on ARM Branch can be viewed here: http://xbmc.org/trac/browser/branches/xbmc_on_arm [xbmc.org]
2. Discussion about XBMC on ARM with a lot more background info is going on here in the official forum: http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=35139&page=14 [xbmc.org]
3. You might want to link to the first source i.e. the official xbmc webpage: http://xbmc.org/theuni/2009/10/23/xbmc-on-arm-gles-2-0/ [xbmc.org]
4. XBMC is not called Xbox Media Center anymore, just XBMC.

Re:Points wrong/missing in summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#29954412)

4. XBMC is not called Xbox Media Center anymore, just XBMC.

Catchy! :)

Arm powered (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952630)

Reminds me of the arm-powered watches that you wear on your wrist. They wind themselves by the swinging motion as you walk.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Re:Arm powered (1)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953448)

A better remark would have been something like:

"My palm is already arm-powered. Come to think of it, so is my sperm bank dispensal mechanism."

No video driver for X.org (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29952682)

Unfortunately, the Beagle Board has a PowerVR SGX530 GPU, and there is no X.org video driver for it. So, open source operating systems cannot use 2D or 3D acceleration. See http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/PowerVR [freedesktop.org] .

Re:No video driver for X.org (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953284)

So?

You can signup on their website to get the specs. You can't release the information to others, but then, GPL doesn't allow them to distribute GPL'd code the way they'd like to.

OSS can certain use the acceleration, it just requires binary distribution to fit their agenda. Just like GPL requires source distribution also to support its agenda.

They are two different sides of the same thing, restrictions on freedom.

Other hardware like this (0, Offtopic)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952780)

I've been waiting for an excuse to ask slashdot this question.

What is a good resource for finding cheap, small, not overly feature rich hobbiest boards like this one?

I've done some work with ATmega microcontrollers. Went so far as to create my on little multitasking OS from the ground up based on some knowledge I gained from FreeRTOS. I enjoyed the process and it taught me a great deal about the difficulties associated with task switching. I quit when I realized that I REALLY wanted an MMU, or at least some memory protection.

I've written an MMC controller, a serial console for it, made my own little FS, none of it impressive to anyone with more than a slight clue about this stuff, but it reminds me of reading the notes from Linus about how Linux started out, and for me its a fun time and nice distraction from my day job of writing applications on top of a real OS.

I would prefer an x86 based board, anything 386 or better would be awesome, but it doesn't have to be. In fact since I've yet to see a good 386 simulator/debugger, or at least nothing that to me compares to the stuff that Atmel provides, I'm more than open to any other processor, I'm not tied to anything as I'm simply not that good to make a big difference.

What I would like to find:
A complete board that I can plugin in and debug, relatively cheap would be great.
Debugging ability and supporting software is most important, I use a MacBook so OS X support is ideal, but I've got VMs with Windows and FreeBSD, and installing Linux is more than acceptable for the purpose if need be. I really apprecate the simulator and debuggers the AVRStudio for Windows has, a copy of it for something more powerful would be ideal. The AVR32 is probably the closest I'll get to that, but it doesn't seem that I can really use AVR32s on my on hardware real easy. I can get a get a dev board for it, but throwing the chips onto something custom requires more effort than I would prefer to put into it.
Processor doesn't really matter, x86 would be nice since its probably got the largest base of reference code, but pretty much anything capable of running Linux is fine since I can use that as a reference. Linux is not a requirement as I won't be running it, it just makes a good reference to have handy when the docs for the hardware aren't all that clear or I don't really understand a particular concept.
Onboard IO is pretty much a must. Doesn't need VGA or anything, serial is plenty good enough for what I'll use it for, but some sort of digital output is a requirement so I can control stuff. I don't need a DAC as I can simulate one good enough to do audio as long as I have a digital pin of some sort to work with.
An ADC would be nice.
SPI would be really nice as I'm used to working with it and it makes MMC interfacing much easier.
64k would be more than enough ram, but more is certainly acceptable. I've been shoving 4 processes in to 2k of RAM, and if I have a MMU that supports virtual addressing I care even less, as thats really what I'd like to learn next.
Speed isn't an issue, a 12mhz ATmega was plenty of my toying around so far, I'm not designing an end user OS, just playing.
Onboard clock would be ideal, as I never have properly got an AVR to run on an external clock so thats obviously a concept I don't grasp properly and I'm lazy so figuring it out slows me down.

So fellow geeks, where do I look to find this sort of thing, or what do you guys have experience with that you would recommend me looking into? Something just slightly more powerful than the your typical 8bit Atmel or PIC microcontroller would be the target.

Hell, I don't even have to have a board, I just don't want to get a CPU that requires a bunch of external support circuitry, something microcontrollerish that I can just hookup some power to and start interfacing. I dont mind adding some minor stuff but I don't want to have to spend 3 days working up a board design, then debug the hardware just to get to where I can run some code, otherwise I'd throw an x86 processor on a board myself.

Re:Other hardware like this (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#29953366)

You could look at www.embeddedarm.com.
They have x86 and ARM single board computers. The TS-3000 line uses 386 processors. They have serial ports and many IO lines.
They don't mention it in the advertising, but I see some headers marked "JTAG" on the 386 boards. That's a little bit out of my area of expertise, but maybe that's what you're looking for?
I considered getting one of the ARM board to make a very small web server, but the prices seemed a little bit high, and I decided to go with an old, cheap, used desktop PC instead.
It might be worth a look anyway, hope that helps.

Re:Other hardware like this (1)

sabbo (203745) | more than 3 years ago | (#29955644)

I would recommend that you check out an ARM board that has good support in OpenOCD. This creates an excellent development platform for the stuff you mentioned.

Check out the Olimex L9260 board. It is based on an ARM926 core and has plenty of RAM and Flash. It also has SD/MMC interface, SPI, I2C, UART etc
http://www.olimex.com/dev/sam9-L9260.html

OpenOCD software:
http://openocd.berlios.de/web/

You need a hardware device for OpenOCD to work. There are plenty of options, most are based on the FTDI 2232 chip. Here is one from Olimex:
http://www.olimex.com/dev/arm-usb-ocd.html

It is possible to use openocd from linux, mac os x and windows.

 

How does this compare to a Popcorn Hour? (3, Interesting)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 4 years ago | (#29952802)

Or other network media tank? I love my IO-100 and it plays everything I have ever thrown at it. Low wattage, runs linux, excellent audio/video connectivity and is I think 300mhz mips.

Re:How does this compare to a Popcorn Hour? (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 4 years ago | (#29953192)

Or other network media tank? I love my IO-100 and it plays everything I have ever thrown at it. Low wattage, runs linux, excellent audio/video connectivity and is I think 300mhz mips.

Do you mean the A-100? If so don't they have an overheating problem that the pricier version resolves?

I've been looking into the best ways to stream the most content from my PC to my TV, currently I am using a 360, but it's limited codec support leaves me wanting. I have researched the popcorn hour, both devices, the media jukeboxes from dvico, now that these nettops are coming out I was wondering too what peoples' experiences was with a pre-built solution versus rolling your own.

Re:How does this compare to a Popcorn Hour? (2, Informative)

sunking2 (521698) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953352)

There are tons of versions and companies that have their own. Popcorn Hour is just the name of the biggest selling company, like Coke for soda. Mine, the IO-100HD from Dragon Tech Corp is completely fanless and runs cool and quiet. Not a single crash. The actual term to search for is Network Media Tank and you'll find tons of reviews for many different brands. Some have had heat issues. I bought mine to do exactly as you want, to replace the xbox 360 and it's worked beautiful. Plays full 1080P mp4 from a network share no problem.

Re:How does this compare to a Popcorn Hour? (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953914)

I should have previously stated that Netflix integration is a huge plus, and any unit that could do that too would make it an immediate buy from me.

Re:How does this compare to a Popcorn Hour? (1)

freedumb2000 (966222) | more than 3 years ago | (#29954052)

I you want to roll your own, anything with a NVIDA ION based chipset is the way to go. Even the pairing with a single core Atom (230) will play 1080p perfectly and anything else you throw at it. I built a fanlass system for a friend for around 250$ without HDD. With Ubuntu and XBMC it's great media center solution. And it's also a NAS, mailserver, game server and whatever else you might want to have running 24/7.

This is nowhere near the cheapes media center (2, Informative)

popo (107611) | more than 3 years ago | (#29953908)

WD LIVE blows this away, and has better playback....

A much better bang for the buck.

http://wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=735 [wdc.com]

For now WDTV Live is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#29956282)

I _loved_ the XBMC on the original xbox, but by now it lacks the computing power to play most of 720p content I have not even gonna mention 1080p stuff.

I love the XBMC interface and all the addons and themes and a ton of other stuff. There is simply no match. So I'd be following this development and hope that something comes to market in two years or less for a reasonable price when I'm looking to replace my current set up.

In the mean time I've settled on WDTV Live for my current media center needs. Its networked, plays 1080p without a problem. Oh and its freaking tiny. But the best part its hackable! So there is some people (b-rad) currently making some homebrew firmware with addons like torrenting, etc.

So while this XBMC port is in development, I'd suggest for anyone looking for a networked media player to have a look at WDTV Live (or even its older version: WDTV). IMO, there is no better match in terms of price/performance ratio.

If someone could port XBMC to WDTV Live I'd literally quit my day job and go into business selling this combo. It would blow the competition out of the water.

PS. I'm not a shill for WD. I have no vested interest other than I'm an owner of two WDTV Live boxes.

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