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Some Early Adopters Stung By Ubuntu's Karmic Koala

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the arrows-in-back dept.

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Norsefire writes to mention a Register piece reporting that early adopters are having a tough time with Karmic Koala, Ubuntu's latest release. "Ubuntu 9.10 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Linux distro. Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Ubuntu forums." What has been your experience if you've moved to Karmic?

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Professionalism (3, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969526)

Just imagine the amount of bashers if the news would had read;

Windows 7 is causing outrage and frustration, with early adopters wishing they'd stuck with previous versions of the Windows. Blank and flickering screens, failure to recognize hard drives, defaulting to the old kernel, and failure to get encryption running are taking their toll, as early adopters turn to the web for answers and log fresh bug reports in Windows forums.

This again comes from the fact that both Windows and Mac OS X releases are properly tested and maintained and tend to be in more professional quality.

But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts? It shouldn't be impossible, unless of course, commercial projects are maintained more professionally.

Release cycles? (1, Troll)

feranick (858651) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969594)

It seems canonical is more interested to show they can deliver something on time, rather than delivering something good when it's ready or delaying the release until proper QA is done.

Re:Release cycles? (5, Informative)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969916)

Canonical is interested in rushing out bleeding edge versions of Ubuntu twice a year. Canonical is also interrested in stable, long term release versions, called LTS. Mod parent Troll.

Re:Professionalism (5, Insightful)

db32 (862117) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969602)

The irony is too good...

Flagging this as "Troll" for being critical of how Linux distros don't get the same levels of QA testing isn't exactly demonstrating great professionalism...

Re:Professionalism (3, Interesting)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969660)

The original article was itself a troll worthy of comp.os.linux.advocacy and not really terribly impressive.

Old kernel? What a tragedy! Did you not pay attention to the prompts during the upgrade?

One wonders how much of this stuff is self-inflicted in some fashion or another.

Re:Professionalism (4, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969888)

I upgraded to Ubuntu 9.10 and it is quite buggy. Much more than previous releases. I have had to go back to the NDIS wrapper to use my WG511 PCMCIA wifi adapter. I haven't had to do that in years.

My observations [glitch.tl].

Re:Professionalism (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969720)

Thought I remembered something about slashcode automatically tagging any first post as 'Troll' as a defense mechanism... My memory might be wrong on that though.

Re:Professionalism (2, Insightful)

RichardJenkins (1362463) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969658)

Just imagine the amount of bashers if the news would had read;

There'd be almost exactly the same number of bashers that Vista had.


I installed Karmic from the RC, didn't upgrade though. Backup, clean install, restore. No complaints. Didn't use the disk encryption

Re:Professionalism (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969664)

part of the reason is that community are the testers. you never should move to using a new release as soon as its out.

Re:Professionalism (4, Insightful)

characterZer0 (138196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969816)

But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts?

Debian does go through great lengths, and people complained that the time between releases was too long.

Then they switched to Ubuntu.

Re:Professionalism (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969902)

Not only that. I'm running Debian Sid and I've had fewer problems than are listed in the article. Plus I most likely have newer packages.

Debian Rulez.

Debian kFreeBSD is going to rock your ZFS socks off.

Re:Professionalism (0, Flamebait)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969878)

>This again comes from the fact that both Windows and Mac OS X releases are properly tested and maintained and tend to be in more professional quality.
That has got me thinking... How can the London stock Exchange crash twice with Windows Server in one year, but didn' t crash at all in all previous years it was running Linux? Professional quality must mean that the quality sucks...

>But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts?
They go beyond, mister. It' s called FLOSS and if you want to know what that is all about then you should read (about) the Cathedral and the Bazaar.

>It shouldn't be impossible, unless of course, commercial projects are maintained more professionally.
It is perfectly possible and already exceeding commercial projects. Commercial projects, you see, are "more money is more important than higher quality so RUSH IT OUT OF THE DOOR YESTERDAY!"

Re:Professionalism - two way road (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969918)

Windows 7 is already having issues for those upgrading. Not surprised with that or with those upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10

I haven't had any issues myself and the upgrade to Kubuntu 9.10 - there will always be fringe cases that aren't covered completely, I think.

Re:Professionalism (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969970)

But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts? It shouldn't be impossible, unless of course... having every kind of hardware costs a lot of money and the hardware companies don't donate samples to Linux developers/testers.

There, fixed that for you.

Re:Professionalism (2, Insightful)

period3 (94751) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969976)

Ubuntu is hardly representative of all linux distros. It is just one distribution, and there are many other better tested distributions. I use Ubuntu currently, and it is among the slowest and buggiest of all the distros I've tried.

Re:Professionalism (4, Insightful)

Shotgun (30919) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969982)

How much did those users pay for their copy of Karmic?

Yes, it does make a difference. If I pay for a finished product, I expect it to be finished. If someone hands me a CD and says try this, I will try it, but not get upset if it doesn't work out perfectly.

In this society that we call open source, we fully understand that Canonical doesn't have the resources to run large test labs. We also know that we get the product for free, and can ban together with a large cadre of like-minded folks to fix problems that we do find. Most Ubuntu releases are initially full of problems. They tend to dissipate much quicker than your first Service Pack that you'll get from the behemoth that HAS charged you enough to do some proper engineering and testing.

Re:Professionalism (1)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969988)

But why don't the Linux distros go to same lenghts?

Some do, some don't, you don't here about these problems RHEL or debian, hell even mint is pretty good on release, but if you choose ubuntu (or too a lesser extent fedora) then this is what you get

Re:Professionalism (0, Troll)

Absolut187 (816431) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970014)


This is why nobody uses Linux.

The vast majority of people just want a computer that WORKS.

VERY few people are willing to tinker around *AT ALL*.

indeed (4, Insightful)

pele (151312) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969564)

me being one of the early adopters that got stung
I haven't seen so many bugs and reboots since the days of windows 95

Re:indeed (1)

TJamieson (218336) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969852)

What problem(s) did you have? I have an old HP P3-866 that happily accepted 9.04, but when trying to do anything to the hard drive, it errors out with problems creating a new ext4 partition. I can't figure out why it's happening.

Re:indeed (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969980)

Upgrades to Kubuntu 9.10 crashes KDE. Clean installs do not. I am perfectly happy. But maybe I am one of those lucky bastards that do not experience these bugs. I got my system running for 9 hours now and so far so good.

All right, except for GRUB2 (3, Informative)

Kopachris (1594707) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969584)

My upgrade has been quite painless, though that might be because I simply did a fresh install. My hardware is fairly old (Athlon XP processor, 1GB RAM) and Karmic is running quite well. Conky works, OpenGL works, Flash works, etc. The only thing that tripped me up was the switch to GRUB2, which left me, like many others, wondering where "menu.lst" went.

Re:All right, except for GRUB2 (1)

isama (1537121) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969670)

I've been using 9.10 since the beta, and it's had it's problems, but now it runs quite smoothly :)

Re:All right, except for GRUB2 (2, Insightful)

d3ac0n (715594) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969974)

Upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 the day after release on a dual-boot Ubuntu - Win7 laptop (Thinkpad T60). Upgrade went smooth as silk, I had one reboot to complete the process and bammo, working Ubuntu.

Yes, the dual-boot still worked. The only change I made was to modify the menu to comment out the old kernel so I have a shorter neater list.

I honestly don't understand how people can have such trouble. It's not like I'm some kind of Linux guru, I barely qualify as "power user".

Great (1)

Trebawa (1461025) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969586)

I just upgraded from Jaunty, and it's been great for me. The only major differences I've noticed so far are the updated boot screen (which is beautiful) and the Ubuntu Software Center; I have no doubt, though, that there are plenty of under-the-hood improvements I'm not noticing, especially since I'm an upgrade.

Re:Great (4, Informative)

VirusEqualsVeryYes (981719) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969822)

I immediately found a very large irritant after upgrading. Previously, I had line-in set to play through to the speakers. There was a simple slider in sound preferences that existed back since at least 6.06. The same option exists under Windows. But suddenly, 9.10 removed this option. Line-in no longer plays through, and the option has been completely removed from the revamped (and somewhat disorganized) sound preference panels. I appreciate the effort to "modernize" the sound options like per-application tuning, but not at the cost of tossing simple, basic options that have existed since the invention of the sound card.

Also, regarding the bootup animations, they've changed for three or four consecutive upgrades now. I don't mind a refresher when appropriate, but "refreshing" every six months tells me that some priorities need some reordering.

Re:Great (3, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969990)

The two boot screens look sparse and cold to me. I wondered if Mark Shuttleworth was paying people back for the complaints about his "human" color scheme. The GDM window looks ugly to me. I definitely want the old one back.

Re:Great (1)

mikehoskins (177074) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970006)

I have had a great experience, so far, and I shouldn't....

Starting around midnight, this morning, I upgraded from 64 bit Jaunty Studio, which was setup like this:
    Jaunty Studio was "upgraded" to Kubuntu
    Used Intel graphics -- the kind of card Jaunty particularly hates
    64-bit Flash, 64-bit Java, 64-bit Firefox
    MythTV with all the add-ons I could throw in...

I *should* be a poster child for problems.

I only had 3 minor issues:
    ~/.ICEAuthority permissions issues (easily corrected)
    An issue when switching to text mode using Ctrl+Alt+F{1,2,3,4,5} (should be easily correctable in grub)
    Mythtv-status no longer knows how to calculate drive totals (I think that's easily fixed, but haven't looked)

Everything is so much snappier, but that could be due to Jaunty vs. Intel Graphics wars or it could be due to a mem leak on Jaunty (I can't prove that one but I swapped heavily until the upgrade).

I'd say the KARMIC name speaks for itself: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969590)

It has gathered karma on its voyage thus far.

Rhythmbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969592)

I've been pretty happy with it. The only problem I've run into so far is Rhythmbox has trouble playing music off my Firefly daapd server.

Wifi works (2, Informative)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969600)

I found that the Edimax WiFi card finally survives sleep mode without breaking.

my experience (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969604)

My buddy Ron came over last week to install karmic koala for me. While we were waiting, one thing led to another and the next thing I know, he's sucking my dick. If that wasn't bad enough, he then fucked me up the ass! Guys, can you do something about the long install time so this won't happen again?

Re:my experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969736)

OMG the SAME thing happened to me! If operating system install times can't be shortened, not only is it going to become yet another meme for the "anything but Linux" crowd to use as another reason why Linux "isn't ready for the desktop," (which, of course, is nonsense -- I've been running various distros as my primary desktop OS for years now), but it's likely to result in a dramatic rise in homosexual sexual assault among FOSS users.

Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic (1)

kawabago (551139) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969614)

I'm using amd64 9.10 with dual monitors and it is relatively self configuring. So far no big problems that would lead me to regret upgrading.

Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969730)

ditto. amd64 9.10. I performed a new install vs upgrade, found that the xconf.org was corrupt preventing my 2nd monitor from working, but with a little help from the community, got it resolved without much todo.

Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic (3, Informative)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969882)

Problems plugging in an external monitor on my netbook. Workarounds are available, so it's tolerable. On the upside, it seems a bit better on batter life. Strangely, I'm not seeing any improvement in boot times, which people seem so obsessed with. Until it's under 10 seconds for my netbook, I'm sticking with suspend/hibernate.

The new disk utility picked up the informed me that my laptop disk is in serious need of replacing, which is a nice thing to know before it fails. Overall, not as smooth an upgrade as Jaunty, but not bad.

Re:Karmic Koala - mostly Karmic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29970004)

I changed to Fedora 11 when amd64 9.06 failed to support 3d graphics on my GMA 4500 chipset. It now runs well, hasn't given any hangs and handles dual monitors beautifully. I have had fewer problems (practically none) than I had with Ubuntu the last two releases. Not turning back anytime soon until Canonical pick up their act.

I seriously think they have slipped at Canonical - maybe they have lost some expertise?

Fix avalible (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969618)

open a command line and type

sudo "yes > /dev/mem"

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969968)

The fix worked for myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

Ubuntu dev's response (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969624)

From earlier today: http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2009/11/register-bloodied-by-lack-of-research.html

I installed Karmic on my Acer Aspire AS1410 the day of release. I had to switch the SATA drive from AHCI to IDE, but other than that, it runs beautifully and I love it. Definitely going to upgrade my desktop this weekend.

My experience (3, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969642)

Blank and flickering screens: No
Failure to recognize hard drives: No
Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: No
Failure to get encryption running:
Sorta, but only because my computer took a dive in the middle of the live upgrade. I had to remount / read-write from an emergency console and run apt-get again. Or actually it told me to run "dpkg --configure -a" to correct it. That installed most things, but I had to reboot into the normal recovery console and run last updates. Rebooted and...

Working flawlessly with full disk encryption and everything. No problems with anything so far, that's my anecdotal evidence at least.

Re:My experience (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969808)

My experience was exactly the same as yours, down to the detail. Took a bit to figure out the right commands to run in recovery console, but other than that it wasn't too bad. Someone less experienced that I would have had some trouble, but now it's all good.

I've upgraded.... (1)

tirk (655692) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969644)

Against my better judgement I upgraded early on - I'm usually the type to wait awhile and see what people find. However, I have to say, I've not had any issues other then a 4.5 hour download for the updated packages. I've been running it a couple days now and not once has anything crashed or given me a problem. Perhaps it's the fact I'm using a nearly 4 year old laptop though, so all the drivers are fairly stable now.

Re:I've upgraded.... (1)

noob749 (1285846) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970040)

I've not had any problems either. My machine is a Dell box over a year old, and I upgraded from 9.04 which had some nasty problems (black squares flickering across the screen at random all the time!).

Koalas > Jackalopes

Fairly painless upgrade... (3, Interesting)

Patman (32745) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969654)

I've had a fairly painless upgrade from Jaunty on two laptops and a desktop. What is weird for me is how it interacted with VirtualBox; after the upgrade, my username was missing from the vboxusers group and my XP VMs no longer saw the USB hub; easy to fix once I figured it out, but really frustrating.

Re:Fairly painless upgrade... (1)

PaKL (1236442) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969892)

I have had a very easy time also. One on a fairly new PC (Intel Dual Core, nVidia graphics card and 2GB of RAM) and then a Toshiba Tecra A7 laptop (Intel Dual core, ATI graphics card, and 2GB of RAM).

My only gripe was the failure that still occurs in the Toshiba laptop with the Bluetooth card not functioning. I was able to get it to work with 9.04 but the same trick is not working now.
Everything else is functioning well.

Bias (1)

Bratmon (1649855) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969666)

Obviously, if you try an OS within 2-3 days after release, there's going to be somebody with problems. There are tons of people who it works fine, so they didn't bother to post anywhere. For me, the upgrade worked perfectly, and now my sound card works.

My experience (1)

punzada (1557247) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969674)

In jaunty my wireless card would cause kernel panics while writing to ext3 (known issue, bug report filed). Also needed to use a custom repo/manually install nvidia drivers as the one provided by the OS were unstable to say it nicely, and a giant massive headache to say it not so nicely. In karmic my wireless card will not connect to WPA encrypted networks (known issue, bug report filed, still no fix). Lesson Learned: Wireless hardware support is still garbage even with mostly generic Intel wireless chips in linux. That being said, otherwise I've enjoyed Karmic quite a bit and haven't had any of the other issues others are claiming. If only my wireless could work 100% I would be in love.

I've installed it on... (3, Interesting)

aztektum (170569) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969676)

My primary desktop at home, a 2nd desktop at work, and before release, I had the beta and then RC running in VM's for a few weeks. None of these had problems. Then again most of this is on older hardware (p4's with similar era video cards, etc).

Ubuntu needs to put a YMMV disclaimer :P

Works Fine for Me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969680)

The upgrade failed miserably, but a fresh installworks fine on my EEE 901. I can even type /. comments on it!

netbook remix (3, Informative)

feranick (858651) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969684)

I was looking to replace the default 8.04 in my dell mini 9 with the 9.10 netbook remix. I found out that the desktop-switcher is not included in the distro. So I need to stick with the default single windows window manager, instead of the full GNOME. Why you may ask? Well, the desktop-switcher application was too buggy on release time, and they decided to remove it from the distro instead of fixing it. So nobody can complain and more important, there is nothing to be fixed if it's not there in first place. I'll stick to the old but reliable 8.04, for the time being.

I got a bit stung (2, Interesting)

Brietech (668850) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969698)

I upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10, and everything went smoothly except for the following: 1. My sound hardware is no longer recognized for some reason. I have a Dell Dimension computer with integrated audio, and it had worked fine after installing 9.04, but stopped working when I upgraded. It now claims I have no sound hardware installed, and I'm not entirely sure how to correct it. 2. After rebooting, the screen now goes blank (video card stops outputting) when X should start and bring up the login screen. I'm also not sure what caused this. I dropped down to a console, tried to kill the running X process, and then things seemed to miraculously work. I actually had to get something done, so I just went with it, but I'm not sure exactly what happened (or what I did to fix it). Maybe this is related to the proprietary Nvidia drivers I'm using? Everything else seemed to work just fine as far as I can tell. When I have a few hours to dig through forums, I'll try to fix the sound and the screen blanking thing.

Pretty smooth (3, Interesting)

SkankinMonkey (528381) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969708)

I upgraded my wife's system - which is on a Japanese laptop and everything seems to have gone fairly smoothly. I was concerned when it asked me for the keyboard settings, but it seems to have respected my original settings nonetheless. Boot times seem a bit nicer and she hasn't complained of any stability issues. It's definitely gone a lot smoother than past upgrades which were extremely unstable on her system, X often crashing, windows becoming unresponsive, or the arty completely bombing out for no reason.

A whole different story with Kubuntu (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969728)

Actually for Kubuntu it's a whole different story, since the upgrade fixed some graphic issues with my Intel 82945G (GX) card. And the KDE 4.3.2 has a lots of improvements!!!

works fine for me (1)

Alron (12242) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969734)

Started running 9.10 during its beta via an upgrade from 9.04 with no problems. Since release I haven't seen any issues either. I'm running the xubuntu build on a C2D E6600 with 4G ram and a nVidia 8800GTX768M. Boot times seem to be a touch faster and going from gdm to the xfce session is prettier now.

Encrypted home folders, a balanced look... (3, Insightful)

solevita (967690) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969744)

In fairness, it does sound like the failure of a single individual to get their home folder encryption running was picked up by El Reg and blown up out of all proportion [dustinkirkland.com]. Flickering screens? Yes, I saw that, but it was fixed by a fresh install rather than an upgrade.

There are some niggling bugs and lack of polish, but this isn't anything like Canonical Vista, despite what some people are hyping.

Re:Encrypted home folders, a balanced look... (3, Interesting)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970036)

It's also important to note the difference between LTS and 10 release. If you want stable you stick with LTS. This has been the case for at least as long as I've been an Ubuntu user. The thing that pisses me off to no end is that pain you have to go through to get a xen kernel on Ubuntu which makes it a pain in the ass to install in VM on XenServer. Ended up creating PV VM, using a Debian kernel, and then creating a VM template. So when I create a new VM I resize the disk to be what I need. Of course there are other errors, tcpdump and dhclient on my Ubuntu server installs seems to error on bootup with Debian but fortunately for me, it's a server so I just removed dhclient. Probably just going to remove AppArmor too since that seems to be causing the tcpdump error. A lot of effort just for a PV setup when it all works by default with Windows. Of course SUSE, Fedora, CentOS all work fine with their regular installers.

The plural of anecdote isn't data (3, Insightful)

quanticle (843097) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969748)

As long as we're trading unsubstantiated anecdotes, let me say that my experience with Karmic Koala has been perfectly smooth. I have it running natively on one machine and inside a VirtualBox VM on another, and in both instances both the install process and the system as a whole have worked very satisfyingly.

There's a shocker... (5, Interesting)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969752)

Canonical has made no secret of the fact that deadlines are more important to them than milestones. They shoot (ostensibly) for "usability", not stability.

Unbuntu 9.10 better than... (3, Interesting)

jackb_guppy (204733) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969758)

It runs better than 9.04 on this machine that I am using. This is a K6-3D/400 with 256M and 10G drive. It was upgraded from 7.04 - 16 hours per release.

Issues since 9.10...

Failure during boot get Xwindows/gnome to start. On new log on screen is now a choice of gnome and safe gnome. Just change to the other one and boots OK.

During first boot Netscape kept kicking errors about xorg. Those when a way on second full boot.

Do not like new update apt just showing up with a click. Liked better the icon in tool bar.

openSUSE 11.2 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969760)

openSUSE 11.2 : 8 days to go.

Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969764)

I've been using Karmic since beta 1, which to me means I'm an "early adopter", and I haven't had any real problems. My volume bar doesn't work perfectly but thats the only bug I've found. Encryption works perfectly, virtualbox and chromium work fine, flash and java are working fine (in x86_64! horray!), watching movies from a remote server works fine with vlc, and that was all true with an upgrade from Jaunty. I finally did a full reinstall to get grub2 and full disk encryption, and its has an even faster boot. It appears that my computer (Dell Inspiron E1505) isn't on the list of bad upgrades though, so who knows.

Mixed results (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969774)

I upgraded one machine across ssh which is never a great idea when you won't have physical access ot the machine for a while.

I'm not sure what happened exactly but it had a hard system hang. I restarted the machine and it wouldn't boot but in maintenance mode it was able to read everything. I remounted the drives read/write and did dpkg -a --configure and it picked back up and finished the install.

The machine isn't perfect, I get some strange hardware errors during bootup that I haven't had time to troubleshoot but it's functional. I can do all of the same tasks I was doing before.

It's working for me! (1)

Tteddo (543485) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969776)

I have been running it on an Acer Aspire 5050 laptop since alpha 4 and it's been great. They fixed all the problems that I had with previous versions on that laptop. Last time I had a machine that ran that smooth was my eMac G4 way back when.

There's a saying: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969784)

Pioneers get the arrows

Talking about stability... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969786)

...works like a charm since alpha 5!

Works for me (1)

vtcat (1281774) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969788)

Upgraded an old Dell Inspiron 5100 laptop from Jaunty to Karmic, and it's been great so far. (Technically, it was a new install without touching /home rather than a distribution upgrade.) In fact the network manager actually worked out of the box, but never did work right in Jaunty.

Hate to say it but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969800)

I really don't want to admit it but Windows 7 seems to be the most stable, best OS release of this year. Considering the last two renditions of ubuntu to have been nothing less than shit, and the lackluster vista-like release of snow leopard which did nothing but slow my computer down. In it's favor linux is much more than just ubuntu but publicly, ubuntu is still one of the most user-friendly versions distributions of linux.

*note I have installed 9.10 on two machines and had to rollback both installations due to multiple failures on both machines.

Only Use LTS (2, Interesting)

peterindistantland (1487953) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969806)

Both Intrepid and a brief trial of Jaunty hurt me badly, now I just stick with 8.04 LTS, the only Ubuntu version that can be trusted. Fortunately backports are plenty out there. 6 months releasing cycles are a joke. Just look at how long Windows 7 has been tested before release.

My problems with 9.1 (3, Informative)

flyboy974 (624054) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969828)

Blank and flickering screens: Yes. I was running NVIDIA 180.29. The new kernel, being GCC 4.4 barfed. In fact, it caused screen flickers, which caused strangely Hard Disk read errors, keyboard input failures, and would lock up my computer if I couldnt' SSH in from another machien to do a "sudo service gdm stop"

Failure to recognize hard drives: No

Defaulting to the old 2.6.28 Linux kernel: Yep. Does not set the new 2.6.30-14-generic as default. So I have to keep arrowing up in grub. I'll reset this myself.

I also am having a problem with X-Plane 9.40. I use to get 60FPS no problem. I get 20 now. Notably I upgraded to NVIDIA 190.42 as a result of the 180.29 issues. But, it doesn't matter on the NVIDIA version. Strangely I found a work around. If I go to Preferences/Rendering and exit out, about 1/3 of the time I get back to 60FPS. My guess is the OpenAL or pulseaudio as it's reinitialized.

FUD? On my slashdot? (2, Interesting)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969832)

Have had Karmic Koala since release and have not had any problems, unlike 8.04 which broke my sound drivers. This release has been flawless.

I love these stories... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969834)

... because all the bugs bugs that nobody ever mention finally come out when people say "[something] was finally fixed in this release." Things like wireless, video, sleep mode/laptop functions, etc.

And yet we claim Linux is already ready for most users, all the basic stuff works. I guess "works" has a lot of exceptions.

Oh well. I'm glad they get fixed eventually. :)

Re:I love these stories... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970050)

What part of "most" don't you comprehend?

You are making a rather Trollish leap in logic.

I am one of the early adopters (1)

sir lox elroy (735636) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969862)

I did an in-place upgrade from 9.04 to 9.10. Some of the problems I have seen. k8temp module not working. Random crashing applets. Stability wise those are my only complaints. I have other functionality complaints, but that is for another day.

Upgrading on an ASUS EEE 901 (3, Interesting)

chill (34294) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969866)

My experience upgrading 9.04 to 9.10 Kubuntu:

I needed to make room to upgrade, because the 4 Gb SSD in the EEE was close to full. I have my /home partition on the 12 Gb SSD, so I needed to clean out things like the apt cache. Eventually, I had to remove some bigger packages like Picasa (with Wine) and Open Office to free up enough space on /.

With 50 Mb more than it claims it wanted, it finally started.

Halfway thru the upgrade, it froze and I had to reboot. Packages had been downloaded, but not all installed.

I had to reboot using a rescue USB stick and chroot over to the main disk. I tried an apt-get dist-upgrade and it said the system was hosed, and suggested a dpkg -a something rescue command. I did that and it finished processing the files it had. I then rebooted into "recovery mode" on that version, and did the dist-upgrade again and it finished. Another reboot and it was successfully in a normal login.

I logged in and immediately did and apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get autoremove to get the half-dozen updates and clean things up. I then added back in Open Office and a few other missing packages that I cleaned out to make space.

The only thing I can say is in the end, it worked. I've had upgrade horrors like this before with Slackware -- which I have *NEVER* successfully upgraded. They *ALL* had to be re-installs, which is one of the big reasons why I no longer use Slackware. In the past, upgrades have gone smoothly with (K)Ubuntu, as well as my CentOS, Fedora and Red Hat systems. This one was one of the worst.

It is nice, one running. Very slick, and I am mostly quite happy with the way it operates. The only bug I've bumped into that is new is if I'm running on battery, and the battery gets low enough for the system to issue a warning, kicker dies. No, I haven't reported it, yet. Probably later tonight I'll see if I can get a backtrace and send it over.

My experience would have really stumped a Linux noob. There needs to be a bit more Q&A. I got the feeling there was a bit of "let's push out on the Windows 7 day, no matter what" going on.

Gotta love VMWare 2.0.1 (1)

magsol (1406749) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969868)

The Karmic Koala upgrade worked flawlessly on its VM.

Re:Gotta love VMWare 2.0.1 (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970032)

Also, my desk rocks because I upgraded my desktop on it, and nothing broke. Of course, my desktop doesn't actually sit on the desk, so that might be entirely unrelated.

Rhythmbox started skipping... (1)

ShopMgr (1639595) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969874)

Don't know if this was due to the upgrade or to my Virtualbox usage. Anyway, tried Amarok, still can't make sense of the settings, so I went with Banshee. Seems to be fine. Did have one instance where the system went to sleep or it ignored the fancy apple keyboard and wouldn't wake up. So I rebooted.

I run it on a Macbook (4, Interesting)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969890)

The upgrade was a bit rough - the GUI system update tools are very prone to breaking, often freezing to the point that only a forcequit can put things back to normal (I almost always use the command line because of that). Unfortunately the only way I knew of to update to 9.10 was using a GUI tool, which naturally broke, forcing me to restart the upgrade (although it was called a "partial upgrade". As for the finished product, booting time is abysmal, pushing past 100 sec. and the wireless doesn't work without a driver (it worked flawlessly in 9.04), and even with the driver whenever I move around any new wireless networks I come across aren't recognized - I need to suspend/unsuspend to restart the wireless system and get the new access points recognized. And the monitor randomly shuts off once in a while. And the mouse (trackpad) moves erratically sometimes.

Either I should switch to some other distro or I need better hardware.

Karma will run over your Dogma (1)

Phlatline_ATL (174344) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969914)

I upgraded and promptly broke a couple of things .. the gdk/gtk pixbuf is going to be the biggest pain in the rear. That took out Eclipse 3.5.1 & Lotus Notes 8.5 (trust me ... I'd rather use something else but that's what we use @ work).

There are a couple of other annoyances which I'm sure will be worked out in the near future.

Biggest gripe I have is GDM with the user picker like WinXP/Vista ... I'm not real keen on exposing who's a valid user on the system.

Stung by Ubuntu?....and Kubuntu is no better! (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969920)

While I am no fan of Ubuntu with its Gnome environment, I am sorry to mention that Kubuntu is no better.

You might wonder why: -

The menus and text are too big, and its help system is wanting big time! I wonder when we in the Ubuntu/Kubuntu world will have a crisp beautiful and functional desktop by default.

re upgrade to Karmic (1)

freddieb (537771) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969926)

I upgraded an existing install the day of the release. It took a while but that's to be expected. Everything worked great. I would like to see the old gdm configuration editor but no biggie. I then did a clean install on a new driver. It was even smoother. The gdm screen looked better as I had Xbuntu and Kde all on the other system and that seemed to confuse the gdm setup. As I recall. This whining always happens after a new release.

Freezes during slash screen. (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969928)

I can usually get to the lang. selection, then choose live disk boot then it freezes, every time.

Some warts... (1)

c (8461) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969932)

Suspend and resume on my netbook is a bit of hit and miss (suspend crashes if an SD card is mounted, closing the lid doesn't always trigger suspend). I'll probably update my laptop tomorrow since I rarely use suspend on it.

On the plus side, the upgrade process was painless and things run a lot smoother. The netbook launcher is a good order of magnitude faster than the previous version. The user switcher applet is in the panel now.


Why do I do it?! (1)

PottedMeat (1158195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969934)

Why do I upgrade? That's the question that I've asked myself for at least the last four versions. I spend six months ironing out all the trouble to the point where it mostly works then I upgrade and start all over again.

A year and a half for my mic to work, USB drives that transfer at absolutely crawling speeds (solving in Koala for the first time ever tho!), disk to disk transfer at an absolute crawl (seems much better in Koala), flickering screens, disappearing mouse cursors (happens every time on bootup in Koala - a simple CR in any terminal window brings it back), and a host of little this and that's.

The worst issue though by a mile has been sound. There is always a problem with sound. Without exception. I almost had my sound working perfectly in Jaunty but now something is glitched in Pulseaudio or Firefox or Alsa or something cuz padsp now won't wrap around Firefox.

Ya know, I bought an original sound blaster for a 286 in '89-90 and it blows my mind that something like sound can be such a problem 20 years later. Everyone really needs to get on the same page.

Anyway, despite the problems I continue to use Ubuntu. It still seems the best for my needs out of all the distros that I've tried. And I'd certainly still be wasting far more time in Windows dealing with the anti-virus and mal-ware nightmares that are found there.

I'll keep using Ubuntu. And although I'll probably keep asking myself why I upgrade I'll still do it. ;)


I'll let you know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29969944)

...when I get it to run.

My system got into a state during the upgrade where it demanded I reboot before it finished and upon reboot it claims not to be able to find/mount my hard drives. Nothing will mount read-write even from the recovery terminal and so I can't actually do any reconfiguring or finish the installation manually. Booting to the LiveCD and chrooting in works fine except that I still can't get read-write for some reason. I can run any program on the system I want to, as long as it doesn't try to write to a log file, download anything, install any fixes or change any configuration options.

In short, Karmic appears to be actively opposing any attempt to make it work.

Update failed (1)

Budha_man_99 (724066) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969946)

I tried to update from 9.4 to 9.10 but after 5 hours the update stopped responding, in fact the whole PC froze. I had to hard boot the PC, and the update was not complete the entire install was hosed. Luckily this was just a test system and I didn't lose any thing important, but if it was my main system I would have been rather upset. I have gotten into the habit of backing up all of my personal files to a removable drive when I do these upgrades just in case

Upgraded 3 computers (3, Interesting)

tthomas48 (180798) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969956)

All 3 to Karmic. All 3 work great. None are even remotely similar hardware wise. As an added bonus the power saving on my laptop works better than my wife's Vista machine now which is definitely a great upgrade.

No problems here! (1)

Astr4y (962460) | more than 4 years ago | (#29969964)

I've ran the beta of Karmic on my Lenovo IdeaPad y430 and haven't had a single problem, and as of a few days ago I've been running the official release without a single problem. I also for the first time ever have been able to use my built in webcam (not that there's much use for it mind you).

My Experience (3, Interesting)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970016)

I've been using it since the morning it came out (before it showed up on the home page, but was on the mirrors).

I haven't had any show stopping problems. I've found it to be waaay better than 9.04. The sound works far better (it used to not work for some apps), as does compiz.

Oddly, the only thing that didn't work about Ubuntu One. It complained that I had a version too new for the servers. *shrug*

No big problems upgrading from kubuntu 9.04-9.10 (1)

joib (70841) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970026)

Some observations from my brief experience

Updating in general went completely pain-free. Well, except for the servers time-outing when I tried to update on the day of the release, so I had to postpone one day.


Audio occasionally pops; due to some power saving stuff, solution: comment out a single line: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2009-May/008239.html [ubuntu.com]

Fonts were ugly in the beginning, turned out to be due to an old ~/.Xresources I had lying around that made my apps use the old X core fonts instead of fontconfig. No idea why it previously worked fine on 9.04. But nothing I can blame ubuntu devs on really.


The new perf tool coming with the 2.6.31+ kernels is missing: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/428159 [launchpad.net]

Some OpenGL apps such as google earth flicker when using a compositing desktop. This is apparently a fundamental problem with the existing DRI architecture. Solution is to switch to DRI2, whenever that is ready. Again, not Ubuntu's fault really.


KDE 4.3.x instead of 4.2.x. Boatloads of improvements and bugfixes. And of course, also other updated apps, such as firefox 3.5, emacs 23.1 etc.

Open source radeon drivers can run OpenGL stuff with my X1550 without crashing (9.04 hard locked the machine within minutes).

Kubuntu variant (1)

N7DR (536428) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970044)

I run the 64-bit Kubuntu variant. My conclusions over the past few days:

1. Roughly 90% of the bugs and inconveniences in Kubuntu jaunty are unchanged.

2. Something like 10% of the Kubuntu jaunty problems have been fixed, to be replaced essentially one-for-one by new problems.

I have not seen any of the specific problems mentioned in the summary. It did take several reboots following the upgrade before the system became stable (don't ask me to explain that, because I can't).

Works fine for me (1)

WahCheng (1543195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29970064)

I was running the previous version on several computers, including Dell E4300 & E4200 laptops and a couple desktops. The upgrade just ran. The only gripe I have is when I right click on the desktop there is only the 'Log Out' option - reboot & shutdown are gone. No doubt this will be resolved in time. Other than that, everything works just fine
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