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New Web-Based Netbook From Litl — Based On Clutter, Uncluttered

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the looks-nifty-will-it-ship? dept.

Portables 109

cananian writes "The webbook company of Gnome's own Havoc Pennington (with a healthy dose of ex-Nokia and ex-OLPC engineers) finally shed its secrecy today, with a new web site and an article in the WSJ. Technical specs on the hardware were found by Engadget last week, and now comes a bit more information on the software behind the UI. Most of the client software is written in JavaScript with GTK/Clutter bindings, and the UI has some superficial similarities to Pentagram's designs for OLPC's Sugar."

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The Stink, of Wet Panties. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29985984)

The Stink, of Wet Panties.

Can I build my OWN Back-End "Cloud"? (1)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986248)

I'm not keeen on storing my stuff in a Google/Amazon cloud service - but I love the device.

I may get these and "hack away" to be my own provider. BTW: These do not yet appear on Amazon.

The article inclueds everything but a ship date. I'd order now, but I don't want to charge a card - then wait 10 weeks.

Re:Can I build my OWN Back-End "Cloud"? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986312)

The first devices are shipping on Monday according to the site

Re:Can I build my OWN Back-End "Cloud"? (3, Insightful)

agoliveira (188870) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986532)

Yes, you can.
Check on the new Ubuntu Server 9.10. It does have all the tools you need to create a private cloud.

Re:Can I build my OWN Back-End "Cloud"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988152)

first try to post on-topic to what you're replying to...

Re:Can I build my OWN Back-End "Cloud"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988762)

you want to build your own back-end cloud?...

eat more beans

/so sorry, but the joke had to be made.

let me be the first (1, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986038)

Let me be the first to say that this thing's gonna be huge!

Re:let me be the first (4, Insightful)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986164)

Really? Why?

It looks like a regular Atom netbook... Why pay $700.00USD when you can get a netbook with similar specs for half that price...

Re:let me be the first (4, Funny)

grcumb (781340) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986620)

Let me be the first to say that this thing's gonna be huge!

Really? Why?

It looks like a regular Atom netbook... Why pay $700.00USD when you can get a netbook with similar specs for half that price...

Dude, it's a joke.

Litl is going to be huge. Get it? Little? Huge! Ha. Haha.

Heh....

...Okay, you're right. I totally get why you missed that.

That wasn't so much 'whoosh' as 'wha-atever'.

Re:let me be the first (2, Informative)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986670)

Why pay $700.00USD when you can get a netbook with significantly better specs for half that price...

Sorry for the FTFY. Had to be done.

Re:let me be the first (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986200)

Actually it looks kind of lame to me. I already have a netbook, a laptop, a desktop, a TV, a Blackberry, and a Nintendo DS. I don't know which one of these devices litl is supposed to replace, nor, frankly, do I care. I give it points for versatility, but it will need to undergo further refinement if it wants to find a permanent spot in households.

Re:let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986644)

Let me be the first to say that this thing's gonna be huge!

Let me be the first to say its EULA will kill it:

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Re:let me be the first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986664)

It looks no bigger than other netbooks with a similar sized screen.

Re:let me be the first (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29987066)

Wrong. It is going to get killed by Chrome OS netbooks.The product will launch, there will be some optimistic quotes from Havoc and his friends around on the open source websites about how cool this thing is, and a few unique features they are really proud of. Unfortunately, the general populace of non-geeks couldn't care less about these features, and all the geeks have their eyes fixed on all the awesome Chrome OS and Android devices coming out, so few even realize that Litl's product exist. Sales of the device will be record low and just a few months after launch, the company files for Chapter 11. Havoc writes an entry on his blog, saying that he still thinks the product that no one has heard of had some really cool features, but that regrettably there was no longer a place for it in the tough market for mobile devices. Had he known that such high-profile players as Google were entering the space, he probably would never have betted on it in the first place, but alas - he took a chance on a cool idea, but it just weren't good enough. Litl is all but forgotten, and Havoc is hired for a boring wage-worker position in an established company once more, as his story fades into obscurity. The end.

Price tag: $700 (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986068)

... ok, ok, so it's $699.

Or $1398 for two. Not sure how that's a saving, except that you get two free remote controls ($19ea if bought separately).

Couldn't readily find hardware details though...

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

Itninja (937614) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986740)

Why buy one when you can have two at twice the price?

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987320)

1280x800 display, 1.86GHz Atom, 1GB RAM, 2GB storage.

Yes, 2GB.

All for $700. But you can use it as a digital photo frame, or output to a HDTV via HDMI.

I'd prefer a slower, cheaper CPU and more storage for when you can't access "the cloud". Indeed I think that netbooks targetted at the cloud should be using ARM Cortex CPUs and be priced under $250.

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987778)

Did I miss something or does the thing lack both a touchscreen and a tablet/ebook mode?

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 4 years ago | (#29988902)

No, but you missed the Touchbook [alwaysinnovating.com] .

Price tag: $300 or $400, depending.

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

ubersoldat2k7 (1557119) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991906)

I really like the Touchbook, but throw it a PixelQi display and I'm sold. Actually, I would have bought one with this display technology long time ago.

Re:Price tag: $700 (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992144)

I'd prefer a slower, cheaper CPU

Wait, there are actually CPUs out there with worse performance per $ than the Atom ??? :)

$700? (5, Insightful)

BonquiquiShiquavius (1598579) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986080)

Why would anyone spend $700 buy a device that is dependent on the web to function, when a netbook costs half and can access the web and still function when offline?

Re:$700? (3, Funny)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986122)

Normal netbooks can't get propped up like easels. Duh! $350 netbook hinges!

Re:$700? (2, Informative)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987582)

I'd rather spend $400 for similar functionality.

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ [alwaysinnovating.com]

I say similar, because it fits the same usage scenarios, but with a different approach. (Not so much a web based one)

Re:$700? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988698)

And it has the huge advantage of being actually innovative, with a magnetic back, a detachable keyboard, and a touch screen. This stupid litl thingy has, wait for it, a _wheel_ to control it when it's flipped over. Cause a wheel is what I really want to use when I'm browsing the web.

Re:$700? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29989862)

and a worthless ARM CPU that won't run anything that anyone cares about

Re:$700? (1)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992184)

and a worthless ARM CPU that won't run anything that anyone cares about

Nobody says that when it comes to phones. :P

Re:$700? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988506)

The actual netbook costs $1. The $699 is the SCO licensing fee, you cock-smoking teabagger.

Re:$700? (1)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989996)

It's clearly meant for people who love buzzwords. Besides, it's not a netbook, it's a webbook.

Re:$700? (1)

Vovk (1350125) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991860)

as opposed to a power book, a noteboook, a toughbook, and the actual digital replacements for books that are called readers...

Why this won't fail (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986120)

This product will be awesome for one simple reason:

The founder is named Havoc Pennington [wikipedia.org]

Seriously! That's a Bad-assed name. That's like halfway from what you might expect Duke Nukem to name his dog or child.

I'll buy one, just so I can claim I have a Havoc machine.

Re:Why this won't fail (2, Informative)

interval1066 (668936) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986872)

If you're in Gnome development you'll see Pennington's name all over a dozen forums and readmes and all kinds of crap. He's a powerhouse behind GTKMM, the graphic apis, the list just goes on for ever. Even so, I'm not paying USD700 for a netbook. I just paid $330 for a very decent model with an 11.6" lcd (and Atom proc, of course.) That will do me just fine.

Re:Why this won't fail (1)

neurovish (315867) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994616)

So when I use gnome and think or exclaim aloud "who's retarded idea was *that*?", it is usually Havoc's retarded idea?

Re:Why this won't fail (1)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995030)

Yup. Havoc's crusade to remove all features from GNOME (if it does nothing, it is easy to use the features!) is why I switched to KDE.

Re:Why this won't fail (1)

conteXXt (249905) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989110)

As $YOUR_DIETY is my witness, I swear to name any illegitimate children I spawn (yeah, yeah, except it really COULD happen in my case) Havoc.

(Winky, Smurfette, and Booger will be very jealous though)

Re:Why this won't fail (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994798)

You already have a havoc machine: The one that releases farts that cause havoc on the whole neighborhood. ^^

Interesting keyboard (1)

KnownIssues (1612961) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986142)

They look like chicklet keys. I know this is a casual device and I'm not going to be typing my senior thesis on this thing, but I wonder if this is going to have the same fate as so many "Internet in your kitchen" devices of five years ago--which is to say, they mostly failed.

Re:Interesting keyboard (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#29988008)

Apple only makes chicklet keyboards now. They're quite nice. I'm not sure at the moment whether I like my classic MBP keyboard or the chicklet ones better. And I did type my PhD thesis on my MBP keyboard.

Re:Interesting keyboard (1)

cananian (73735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29988158)

The litl uses low-travel scissor-action keys, like the Apple keyboards, not rubber keys like the old 'chiclet' keyboards and the OLPC XO-1. The keyboard is pretty pleasant to type on. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiclet_keyboard#Recent_developments [wikipedia.org]

Re:Interesting keyboard (1)

Jon_S (15368) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995106)

What I was thinking, too.

Remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-Opener [wikipedia.org]

I still have one running linux off its 16 MB flash drive (yes, the whole operating system and applications, including netscape, is in there). I use it to run an MP3 player from KDE 1.0 (kmp3 I think it's called). It's a nice no-moving-parts/silent streaming music player (using a USB network adapter) to sit on top of my stereo.

Specs: (1)

bflong (107195) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986246)

1.6Ghz Atom. 1Gig of ram 2Gig of flash.
Oh look! Facebook!

Re:Specs: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986338)

"2Gig of flash" That makes me think of MySpace, actually.... it's the only place I could think of that could close the mark of 2Gigs of Flash content :P

If you guys didn't notice, this was just a joke. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:Specs: (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989608)

Your joke is doubly hilarious because that poor little atom is going to make a small crater if you try to load those flash games that are all over facebook. My 1.2GHz Athlon 64-based Lt3013u has enough trouble, but the Acer Aspire D250-1165 is sad.

Re:Specs: (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989740)

And no bluetooth!
With bluetooth, it could have been an easy mobile web-book, using your 3G phone for internet, as the Nokia Internet Tablets do.
Apple deliberately left that out of the iPod touch, because they also sold an iPhone. (And US phone networks restrict that kind of thing.)
But why would these guys leave it out?

Re:Specs: (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992918)

Sadly, bluetooth is seen my most as only there for headsets. And similarly the headsets are seen as attempts at appearing important, rather then, say, practical.

This i blame mostly on US operators, that love removing features like file transfer out of the phones they allow onto their networks, to force people sending their low rez phone photos via the mobile network rather then locally.

I have had some fun tho, sitting at a public table with a N800 in front of me, a bluetooth keyboard unfolded on the table, typing out some forum/blog comment or other. The connection was supplied by phone, via bluetooth, while the same phone was acting as a music player, using my A2DP headphones. Now thats PAN!

Hell, the phone did not leave my pocket for the whole time, as the playback was controlled from the headphones.

Hmm... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986318)

Cute; but I'm really not seeing ~$500 worth of improvement over a mini9 running Moblin. Or buying a netbook for normal use, a chumby for widgets, and booze with the rest.

Re:Hmm... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986350)

My sons ipod touch does everything this device does, and more. It has a smaller screen, but it has a smaller footprint as well. We bought it for ~230 AUD.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986608)

Ipods play 720p video from Windows shares through HDMI to the television set now? And have a (nearly?) full sized keyboard? etc etc

$699 (5, Insightful)

harris s newman (714436) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986386)

For $699 I can get two eee 10" netbooks. Forget it!

Re:$699 (1)

talcite (1258586) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987344)

To be fair, the Litl has some pretty cool hardware features that aren't available on standard netbooks. Take the Easel Mode for example: http://litl.com/essays/hardware.htm [litl.com] . There also seems to be a lot of hardware that was customized, such as the keyboard.

Also, this seems to be a pretty open source company and they managed to get the Z series atoms working with linux, so that's also pretty impressive. The money from the hardware purchase goes to subsidize open source community development.

Re:$699 (1)

ignavus (213578) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987466)

For $699 I can get two eee 10" netbooks. Forget it!

And then, even if the web goes down, you can have your own little network running.

You'll be offline and online at the same time.

"Hey I just found a website with heaps of free pron on it! ...Oh, it's the webserver on my other eee-book. ... Well, at least I am getting great bandwidth from it."

Re:$699 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988384)

Don't forget to pay your $699 SCO licensing fee you cock-smoking teabagger.

Nice (1)

hey (83763) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986438)

I can see a place for this.
Handy for people who want their computer to "just work"... like my parents.

Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool aid (5, Insightful)

Croakus (663556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986522)

This is a classic example of what happens when a bunch of engineers get together and they're all so dead on convinced that they've got the next great idea that they don't stop for 15 minutes to look at the market, learn what their potential customers actually want, or even write up a business plan. No one is going to pay $700 for one of these. It's just not going to work. How is a salesman at Best Buy supposed to talk me into buying a device that has no hard drive, a tiny screen, stores all of my data out on the Internet, and doesn't run Microsoft Office when there's a cool looking 15" laptop siting right beside it for the same price? It's just not going to happen. Mark my words. This will all end in tears.

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986616)

Actually, the screen isn't really tiny - 12.1". Problem is, it's a bit heavy for an ultraportable, especially considering the lack of storage.

That said, laptops with small screens DO have their place in the marketplace, just as 15"-ones.

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986828)

Even worse, you can get an EEE for far cheaper with better specs. If I'm going to get a netbook the things I'm going to look at are A) Price B) Specs C) Portability and D) Drivers for non-default OSes. Lets see here, 2 gigs of flash, even my $350 almost 2 years old EEE PC 701 had more than that. Intel Atom is generic, the screen size is meh, the keyboard is crap, etc. etc. Would I buy it for $150? In a heartbeat, would I buy it for $200? Possibly. But for $700?!? No way. For $700 I can get a "real" laptop with a great CPU and more RAM and HDD space than I will ever use. Plus a better trackpad and keyboard.

Agree! Cost needs to come down (1)

KWTm (808824) | more than 4 years ago | (#29988550)

If I'm going to get a netbook the things I'm going to look at are A) Price B) Specs C) Portability and D) Drivers for non-default OSes.

agree. Even Dell is having a hard time competing on that, at least with me: I was given some leeway for a business expense purchase, so I decided to get myself a little netbook of my own. Decided on Ubuntu, checked out the Dell Mini 10 (for $350), and then started configuring. Hmm... worth upgrading the hard drive from 160GB to 250GB (you hear that, Litl? 160GB!). Also worth upgrading the battery from 3-cell to 6-cell. Before long, I had the 3year warranty, HD-resolution screen, and 2GB RAM. It weighed in at $643.

I figured I should check out a physical model, so I went to the local Compu-Frys-Buy. Well, there was an Acer Aspire One with 250GB hd and 6-cell battery, for $350. Now, granted it did not have the 3yr warranty, 2GB RAM, or HD-resolution screen ... but at that price the Dellbuntu Mini 10 had 160GB hd and 3-cell battery.

I thought really hard about ordering Linux from Dell and being counted as an official Linux user, versus getting the bigger hard drive and battery from Acer with a copy of Windows 7 to wipe and replace with UNR. In the end I figured, "What the hell. I already bought an Ubuntu laptop from Dell two years ago. I'll just go save myself some money now."

So, Dell got undercut for $350. I could buy a second one and still undercut the Litl.

So: Litl, you're not quite there yet. Keep working on it.

Re:Agree! Cost needs to come down (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989220)

i am sure that if you checked the win7 dell, it would have the upgraded linux specs, but at the acer price point.

i swear, microsoft is hinding some dirty tricks behind nda in relation to this...

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (2, Interesting)

Eil (82413) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987108)

In the late 90's, hundreds of companies[1] thought that Network Appliances were going to be the next big thing. Turns out, almost nobody wants a device which is 100% paperweight as soon as the network goes away. Until we have wireless broadband that is ubiquitous, robust, and (most importantly) cheap, network appliances are going nowhere.

1. Sun was the biggest of these, see their "The network is the computer" marketing slogan

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987244)

Until we have wireless broadband that is ubiquitous, robust, and (most importantly) cheap, network appliances are going nowhere.

We do. Its the cellular network. iPhones and kindles are network appliances. Unfortunately this device doesn't have a cellular modem. And its architecture is too hungry for bandwidth anyway.

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

nasch (598556) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987456)

The cellular network is not ubiquitous (ubiquitous means it's everywhere), and not cheap (IMO). Robust, maybe. I haven't used data services much so can't comment on that.

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989790)

We do. Its the cellular network.

Cellular networks are ubiquitous but are neither robust nor cheap.

iPhones and kindles are network appliances.

The iPhone's intended core functionality is greatly reduced in the absence of a network, but it's still a general-purpose computer. You can play games, music, video, and run a variety of other applications offline. The Kindle is still perfectly useful when the network goes away, as long as you don't need to buy a new book that very moment.

Re:Seriously, somebody's been drinking the kool ai (1)

Seth Kriticos (1227934) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987898)

The one point they missed then and now is, that the network coverage is carp (not too much change there, crap also meaning expensive, no unlimited tires that relate to offline). For the same reason it will fail now, and for some years in the future, sadly.

ps. Oh, and there were no specs that would competitively make any sense of that price. Just too damn expensive for the mass market.

What's that smell? (1)

zooblethorpe (686757) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989022)

The one point they missed then and now is, that the network coverage is carp...

I knew I smelled something fishy.

But in all seriousness, yah, this Litl sure won't fly with me -- not least as I live in the boonies. Wi-Max? Fuhgeddaboudit. Even cell phone coverage only happens when the weather's right and my wife doesn't open the fridge or turn on the microwave. Just before dinner while we're cooking is really a bad time to call me -- which at least helps weed out a lot of telemarketers. :)

Cheers,

Sun's slogan had nothing to do with appliances. (1)

jotaeleemeese (303437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992856)

The slogan had to do with the fact that Sun made very easy to implement a server or client for any protocols on any machine.

When you got a Solaris system back then, the restrictions and differences between a basic system and a high end monster were minimal.

Reminds me of the Mattel Aquarius (1)

blind biker (1066130) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986568)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mattelaquarius.jpg [wikipedia.org]

The design, IMHO, is nice.

But an underpowered CPU combined with only 2 GB of SSD storage and a single USB port make this a slightly unattractive proposition.

Javascript (1)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986602)

Now *this* explains the somewhat surprising move of pushing Javascript (that everybody hates) for Gnome shell. I think HP was one of the guys promoting this move.

I figure it's not that bad in the end, javascript is becoming a viable scripting language (whether we like or not). Too bad the development tools (and ecosystem, and culture) for Javascript suck badly. Hopefully this will change soon, as the community is gradually accepting the fact that Javascript just won't die, and we are better of biting the bullet and learning to hack it properly.

Re:Javascript (1)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986672)

I liked Javascript better when Flash used it and called it Actionscript. Actionscript is compiled to stack machine bytecode which can be decompiled back to AS code. That takes out the lexical interpretation step.

Re:Javascript (1)

cananian (73735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986708)

Actually, I think you've got cause and effect backwards. Other GNOME guys have been hearing about big-shell's use of JavaScript informally from Havoc, and decided to adopt it for gnome-shell since it's worked so well for litl. If you look at the commit history of gjs [gnome.org] you'll see it's about evenly divided between litl people and gnome-shell people now.

LOL (2)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986626)

$700?! And it doesn't even come with the stupid remote? I don't think so.

Apple gets away with this because they have an established brand and reputation.

I can't believe they don't even have a video of the UI they are hyping. Show, don't tell.

Wow. This is just ridiculous. Is the Internet being punked?

Re:LOL (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986896)

There are videos of the UI here: http://litl.com/support/ [litl.com]

Re:LOL (2, Interesting)

Tony (765) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994370)

Apple doesn't try to get away with this: when you spend $700 on an Apple computer, you get a real computer, not just a web device; or, you get a teeny-tiny portable computer that doubles as a phone.

While I like the idea of the litl, the price tag is a little hefty. I'm really not considering getting one, and I buy *everything.* (I have an Openmoko phone, an iPhone, and a Google dev phone. I'm a sucker for new tech.)

go4t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29986698)

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finally a computer for grandma (3, Insightful)

amoeba1911 (978485) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986730)

This is going to be more awesome than WebTV! Because old people REALLY DO want to use computers... despite not being able to use a cell phone.

I foresee a not so Litl flop on the horizon.

Re:finally a computer for grandma (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987302)

Old people don't want a netbook for the exact same reason they don't want a touchscreen phone -- we can't see the f'ing screen! (The prediction that the iPhone will become the new vehicle for reading e-books continues to astound me.)

HDMI (1)

tknd (979052) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986890)

Finally someone that gets it. Connecting computers to HDTVs and other displays via HDMI is a great experience. The video and sound automatically go through, the plug isn't giant, and it only goes in one way. If you have a 1080P display, your TV instantly becomes a giant screen. This is great for presentations and home media and internet activities. In fact if everyone would bother, it would make connecting to a "workstation area" that much easier. Now if only there were some USB connections bundled into the same plug...

Shouldn't be running GNOME (1, Troll)

petrus4 (213815) | more than 4 years ago | (#29986958)

If there's one thing GNOME isn't designed for, it's underpowered hardware.

Could still be entirely useful, though. Scrub the existing OS, and put either Damn Small Linux or NetBSD on it, with blackbox/ratpoison, screen, vim, and cplay/xine for multimedia. It'd make a nice upgrade to my current laptop, actually.

Good for email, web browsing, office work, a bit of shell scripting, note taking and the usual laptop stuff, and low end multimedia. Depending on the video card, 1.8 Ghz will also play WoW, if somewhat limply; but you'd want Linux rather than NetBSD for that.

Drop the price by $200-$300 as well, and then we could talk. $700 US (prolly $600 AUD) is too much for a machine with these specs. I can buy a new desktop for $1100 or so.

Re:Shouldn't be running GNOME (1)

cananian (73735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987038)

It's not running GNOME. It's running a custom shell based on X11/Clutter, with a few GTK widgets to avoid having to reimplement a textbox for the 1337th time.

Netbook? (2, Funny)

serviscope_minor (664417) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987078)

With that weight, it's more of a netbrick than a netbook.

Re:Netbook? (1)

harry666t (1062422) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992826)

Netbrick. You're a genius.

Take out the "net" and all that's left is a "brick".

Annie @ litl support (1)

cananian (73735) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987266)

The support videos at http://litl.com/support/ [litl.com] give a good idea of how the UI works -- and they also feature Annie, litl's friendly customer care rep!

Re:Annie @ litl support (1)

sethstorm (512897) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992860)

At least Annie is indeed believably Annie, and not a westernized pseudonym for the job.

As light as... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29987458)

From the official site (http://litl.com/versatile/every-room-in-the-house.htm):

First of all, it’s light—as light as 3 pounds of feathers

Wow, and that's how much pounds of plastic?

Not sure about the device itself (2, Interesting)

lennier (44736) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987664)

especially the "stores data in the cloud" bit - hasn't the Danger fiasco told us that's a bad idea jeans? But gjs [gnome.org] looks cool.

Re:Not sure about the device itself (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987910)

Gmail is in the cloud. Its pretty popular. And not particularly reliable.

Re:Not sure about the device itself (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989114)

Gmail is in the cloud. Its pretty popular. And not particularly reliable.

My Gmail account is worth every penny I spent in it

As I sat a Starbucks in Boston today (2, Insightful)

MarceloR2 (1582565) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987772)

the folks from Litl started setting up their demo table. I glanced over and saw that they had a small gadget that looked like a laptop (appeared to be the size of of a Macbook Air) with a flip screen. As I was reading an interesting article, I overheard some explanation of what the machine did and I was tempted to get up and check it out as I am always open to new gadgets. However, that temptation quickly went away when I overheard the price being quoted after the explanation of what it did. For a good five or ten minutes I put my reading material aside and tried to imagine just what market this device is trying to cater to that one would be able to justify paying $695 (the price I overheard) for. In my quest, I came up empty handed and promptly went back to my reading. At lunch time I got up and left without so much as glancing at the demo table. I doubt any reasonable person will spend more than a minute in the same quest before they promptly dismiss it.

Re:As I sat a Starbucks in Boston today (1)

graffitirock (1481313) | more than 4 years ago | (#29988130)

The website recommends buying one for every room in your house, and the house they're showing seems to have a lot of rooms, so I'm guessing the market is NOT ME.

my 5 cents (2, Interesting)

Device666 (901563) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987798)

Sell what you think you can build, instead of building what you think you can sell. If not you'll get a solution to a non-existing need resulting in zero business.

Re:my 5 cents (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987874)

Come again on that one?

You should build what you can sell, otherwise you won't sell anything.

I get it (1)

Device666 (901563) | more than 4 years ago | (#29987932)

It's the new OLPC project with new management and a new brandname...

Re:I get it (1)

cpscotti (1032676) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993244)

And a x6 bonus on price!

Proprietary OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988314)

A comment by Lucas Rocha on his own blog:
http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2009/11/04/litl-webbook-some-technical-comments/comment-page-1/#comment-1030

CRAP (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29988796)

This is insane crap- the problem with this is that for 300 bucks more you can buy a mac and get the warm fuzzies that the litle is trying to sell you.

when looking thru the website and seeing the specs I thought wow maybe 150-250 bucks I would get one. then I found out its 700 bucks and all my personal photos, etc will be combed thru by the NSA, google and whoever else cause in america you dont need a warrant anymore. fuck that. they should pay me for putting my shit on the cloud. and when they go under I have a 700 dollar door stop. good value prop.

Chumby (2, Interesting)

Vyse of Arcadia (1220278) | more than 4 years ago | (#29989974)

Anyone else reminded of the chumby? [chumby.com]

If it was ARM, then it would have a chance (2, Insightful)

thatkid_2002 (1529917) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991356)

If this was ARM based, I would probably jump on it (and it would probably be a little cheaper) but it is just the standard netbook with a fancy interface. There is plenty of fancy interfaces around so I don't know how this Litl plans to compete.
There is a lack of good ARM based netbooks! Always Innovating has the only half decent one.

So essentially it's... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994338)

...a netbook with a screen that can be folded with a wider angle than others, and a simplified (read: oversimplified so far it's strongly limited (read: retard fostering) instead of efficient) UI... with a price tag of $700.

I guess their motto must be: Offer less, pay double, and make the world a worse (=dumber) place.

Yeah... "great" idea... Oh and that wider angle is sooo "genius". Nobody could have ever come up with that one!

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