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Chinese Bureaucrats Duel Over Right To Regulate WoW

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the great-wall-of-azeroth dept.

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upto0013 writes "Chinese bureaucrats are battling each other for the right to regulate World of Warcraft. They hope to gain the political clout and the revenue that comes along with controlling a new industry with potential for explosive growth. 'If you supervise a more dynamic area with a lot of growth potential, you have more budget and more administrative muscle,' said Edward Yu, president of Analysys International, an Internet research firm in Beijing. 'They see this pie is getting bigger and bigger, so it is no wonder different administrations are fighting over pieces of that territory.' It's absurd how orcs and elves (and Moonkin) can affect so many different faraway places."

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29991324)

deal with it dog

LUELINKS four life

they really want to stop any anti chain chat in ga (2, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991338)

they really want to stop any anti chain chat in game and they want to tax the gold farmers.

Re:they really want to stop any anti chain chat in (1)

Swanktastic (109747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30001294)

So, I'm curious. Did you cut and paste from your subject line or did you mistype China twice in a row?

The first seems really, really lazy to me, but the second seems statistically unlikely.

Re:they really want to stop any anti chain chat in (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30002186)

Oh, that was meant to be 'anti-China'? I was wondering wth this "chain" thing was... and I can see why they would want to tax gold farmers.

Can we watch? (4, Funny)

fahrbot-bot (874524) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991370)

Chinese bureaucrats are battling each other for the right to regulate World of Warcraft.

Can they fight within the game so we can all watch?

(So. Would being mod'ed a "troll" be good or bad for this thread?)

Re:Can we watch? (5, Funny)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991432)

It's gonna be a big hit.

Crouching Tauren, Hidden Draenei

Re:Can we watch? (2, Funny)

DeadDecoy (877617) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991502)

Nah, it'll probably be boring. The only thing they're gonna do is farm for gold.

Re:Can we watch? (4, Insightful)

meerling (1487879) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991562)

I think you mean 'Hidden Nightelf' since they are the ones with Shadowmeld.

Don't have a problem with the Crouching Tauren thing, since they keep having to duck down to get through most doorways without wedging their horns in the frame... :)

Re:Can we watch? (1)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996068)

We are suchs nerds.

Ah, but these are chinese we are talking about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29991932)

I think they would prefer to play some other race [battle.net] ...

(Honestly though, this is a non-story: Several government department have partially overlapping areas of control so they argue about which one has the control on those areas. Those things happen a lot, especially with the internet and other new technology. In other areas those fights have already been settled a century or so ago.)

Captcha: Sawtooth

Re:Ah, but these are chinese we are talking about (2, Insightful)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30002196)

(Honestly though, this is a non-story: Several government department have partially overlapping areas of control so they argue about which one has the control on those areas. Those things happen a lot, especially with the internet and other new technology. In other areas those fights have already been settled a century or so ago.)

It's not really a non-story when last I heard, there are something like 6 MILLION accounts in China. Even if each of those only pays $1 a month (they're charged on a different schedule to us) that's a $72M/year business they're talking about. No wonder there's a turf war over who 'owns' it legislation-wise.

Re:Can we watch? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992864)

Fear and Loathing in Quel'Danas?

Re:Can we watch? (1)

Jarik C-Bol (894741) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993498)

google 'fear and loathing in Silithus' its hilarious.

Re:Can we watch? (1)

wish bot (265150) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993090)

Minmatar will kill you all!

Ok, wrong game.

Re:Can we watch? (1)

shelly.green (1631649) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991968)

is that ture ?is this chinese website ?why always talk about chinese ?http://www.igolfyoo.com

Re:Can we watch? (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993720)

I was thinking I'd much rather see them fight it out in real life, with a stadium full of raucous fans: 2 bureaucrats enter, 1 bureaucrat leaves!

China demographic nightmare (2, Insightful)

tail.man (203483) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991380)

China is a nightmare communist dictatorship hell hole.

China demographic nightmare
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1810166,00.html

China...
execution vans
http://tinyurl.com/d2wzev

falun gong organ harvesting
http://tinyurl.com/nlx7z4

Re:China demographic nightmare (0, Troll)

jandersen (462034) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993886)

China is a nightmare communist dictatorship hell hole.

Yeah, this is like those despicable Christian that eat children and celebrate the execution of an innocent man!

It's funny, though, how Chinese people keep moving back to China - makes you wonder, perhaps it isn't such a nightmarish hellhole after all.

Re:China demographic nightmare (1)

tibman (623933) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994072)

It's accepted insanity. But it isn't the Chinese.. it's everyone. People accept crazy things when they are desensitized to them. Security theater, windows, death, living in garbage, and so on.

Re:China demographic nightmare (1)

tail.man (203483) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996002)

Yeah clever. Why don't you move to China?
Do some research. It is in fact a communist hell hole.

Re:China demographic nightmare (1)

ljgshkg (1223086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29998724)

I guess that depends on the area you live in and what class you're in.

Normally, if you move back to China from say USA or Canada, you're probably some business people or finance people or ... in general middle class or above. Companies that hire these level of people generally treat their workers in a relatively reasonable way. And they often have a good chance to earn a lot in mainland also.

So long as you don't try to anger the government, life in major cities are not so bad (except the housing price is... horrible in the top major cities...). I mean, seriously, normal people don't counter the government much anyway in their life. As long as the governments don't really hurt your benefits, you can easily give it a go.

Now, situation may not be so good for those below middle class... which is where most the problem is... I believe. And that's another story.

I've been playing WoW too much... (5, Funny)

Bookwyrm (3535) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991450)

My first mental image was a conference room full of bureaucrats and a duel flag dropping down in the middle.

Or two opposing teams of bureaucrats playing a Warsong Gulch match.

Hmm. Does anyone else think this could be the next big MMO? "That's not a red health bar on the boss -- that's how much red tape you have to cut through!"

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29991474)

I offer the image of a bunch of Chinese bureaucrats battling it out in a QuakeLive CTF tournament. Whoever grabs the most points, wins. Rail sluts get to add riders to the new bill. :)

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (2, Funny)

shentino (1139071) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991740)

Let's pit them against the IRS!

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992350)

They'd just let you win and then tax 60% of your points.

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993562)

Meh. The IRS couldn't even win against the 'Church' of Scientology.

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995980)

Evander Holyfield lost a few fights as well, but you won't hear me utter a 'meh' if I faced him even today (or in 10 yrs)

Re:I've been playing WoW too much... (1)

conscarcdr (1429747) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996208)

You know those red tapes xD You really got the potential of a heaven's mandate, bro. Love from China.

Make sure there's skeletons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29991510)

Chinese are afraid of skeletons

The first line of the story tells you everything (3, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991530)

(AP) BEIJING

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Western reporters in Beijing are total dumbasses. They constantly write stories colored by their own blinders they're not even aware that they're wearing. The story doesn't even mention that WoW/Netease problems getting a license in China has been going on for a while now and is nothing new. It's not really even a story, just a space filler - bureaucratic turf wars between communist ministries are news now? Anyhow, I just wanted to mention whenever you see that line at the top of the story, immediately mentally activate your BS detectors. If you want China news, there is no shortage of primary sources in English. Even my own small city district has its own website, with a translated English page. Here is a much better story from Shanghai Daily [chinadaily.com.cn] , which lays out the issue in a much clearer fashion:

``The GAPP said downloading online games is also an "online publication". GAPP is responsible for reviewing and approving "publications", and the ministry has the right to regulate the "online game" market.''

Compelling story, eh? This is typical of what comes out of Western media in Beijing.

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991564)

OK, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that Western reporters in Beijing are total dumbasses. They constantly write stories colored by their own blinders they're not even aware that they're wearing.

So, pretty much like every reporter and newspaper?

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (4, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991978)

The BBC, for one, is renowned for its objectivity and lack of bias.

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29992424)

The state controlled media has assured us of their lack of bias from of an investigative report they did on themselves assuring us they were unbiased.

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (1, Insightful)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992872)

For a really simple counterexample to the claim that the BBC is unbiased, what's the BBC's take on the television licence? Would they be indifferent to being thrown to the wolves of capitalism?

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29993390)

The BBC as a company is different from the BBC as a broadcaster. The broadcaster may well be unbiased while the company protects its own interests. The difference is obviously that the broadcast is public and the company affairs are behind the scenes.

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (5, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993600)

The chairman of the BBC called for the abolition of the TV license last week, in favour of having the BBC funded out of general taxation rather than a specific levy. The BBC has, in the past, covered stories of people protesting about the TV license and has included quotes from people opposed to it. Any time a public figure criticises the BBC, you will find a BBC story covering it, usually giving someone at the BBC an opportunity to respond, but not generally weighted towards the BBC. For some examples, look at this story [bbc.co.uk] and this one [bbc.co.uk] .

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (1)

khallow (566160) | more than 4 years ago | (#30000648)

How about the BBC becoming a private business and having to compete just like any other private business? I assume that the BBC is interested in good use of taxpayer funds rather than just a selfish enlarging of the pool of funds to which it has access.

Re:The first line of the story tells you everythin (2, Insightful)

grking (965233) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992468)

Isn't this just a cynical way of describing ones "perspective"? Every mind perceives the world from it's own perspective, has it's own world view coloured by it's experiences.

Sure you can compare perspective to "blinders" and call those people "dumb asses" but they are the same blinders worn by your dumb ass.

What I think is more likely (4, Interesting)

Inf0phreak (627499) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991934)

Blizzard and their Chinese partners haven't found the right people to bribe yet.

Or maybe they found the right people, but they're asking too much for CWoW to be profitable?

obvious solution (1)

Digitus1337 (671442) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991716)

/roll 100

Re:obvious solution (1)

Lostlander (1219708) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993796)

Actually to get a 1-100 roll in WoW you can just /roll

Surely, Comrade... (1)

hedgemage (934558) | more than 4 years ago | (#29991862)

The agriculture regulatory agencies want to have their say in the matter so they can include gold farming in the next Five Year Plan.

Re:Surely, Comrade... (1)

jlar (584848) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992196)

...now what if we establish a small backyard gold furnace in every commune and in each urban neighbourhood. I believe that will be a great leap forward in the gold farming economy.

A real WoWHead (1)

BurningChrome (35718) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992122)

"It's absurd how orcs and elves (and Moonkin) can affect so many different faraway places."

A truly obsessed WoWHead would know that the proper term is "Boomkin."

Re:A real WoWHead (1)

Canazza (1428553) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992272)

You dare call is Oomkins and we will drop a Starfall on your collective arses.

Re:A real WoWHead (2, Funny)

borizz (1023175) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992572)

How? You're always OOM. There's no boom in oom.

Re:A real WoWHead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29996806)

Remarkably, they over-compensated for that in WotLK (at least in PvE). I more or less stay at a constant 100% now.

Re:A real WoWHead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29992732)

Starfall ain't AoE is it?

Re:A real WoWHead (1)

Lostlander (1219708) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994184)

Yes it is it's a click it and forget it PbAOE so they can add a hurricane in there as well. Starfire is the single target version.

Re:A real WoWHead (1)

Talderas (1212466) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993318)

Oomkins, Huntards. Fucking rogues.

New race? (2, Funny)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992132)

Does this mean I can play as a Chinese bureaucrat now? And I guess the special spell would be Silence your opponent.

Worse than that... (5, Interesting)

plastick (1607981) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992146)

Actually, I had some in depth talks with some friends from China about WoW.

They still only have level 70 because the government STILL hasn't "filtered" every last quest in WotLK for any themes that might contradict the Chinese government policies. I'm dead serious. The "censorship" is that horrific.

Not only that, but there are some really weird censorship issues you wouldn't expect. For example, there are no undead in Chinese WoW because the Chinese government won't allow any human bones to be shown in the game. So anywhere you see a skeleton, it had to be removed by Blizzard.

Re:Worse than that... (2, Insightful)

thetagger (1057066) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994032)

Not only that, but there are some really weird censorship issues you wouldn't expect. For example, there are no undead in Chinese WoW because the Chinese government won't allow any human bones to be shown in the game. So anywhere you see a skeleton, it had to be removed by Blizzard.

Well, if I made a MMORPG where everybody is naked and targeted it to the 13+ audience, I bet I would have to make some changes before it was published in the US. It is ultimately my problem if I designed thousands of NPCs while ignoring the culture of my target market.

Some things are cultural. Don't expect them to make a lot of sense. If Blizzard had planned for the Chinese market from the start, instead of undead you would have a different race and they wouldn't have to change a thing.

Re:Worse than that... (4, Insightful)

DigitalSorceress (156609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994832)

Hmm if it's truly a cultural issue, then wouldn't it be a self-regulating feedback loop?

In other words, if you're that offended by the game diong something repugnant to your culture, you won't play... end of problem.

It seems to me that the whole bones thing may go against certain cultural norms, but that the government is the one who has a problem with it.

I honestly don't know enough about Chinese cultural norms to know if showing bones is equivelent (to the Chinese) as your hypothetical MMORPG would be to America.

I keep trying to think about this from an outsider's perspective, but I keep getting back to "dude, it's just bones. if it bothers me, I won't look, but it doesn't so where's the harm?". There are one or two substitutions for the word "bones" that you could add that would make it illegal in the US, and where most members of our culture would even agree that it should be a crime.

Cultural relativism is a damn minefield.

I'll just go back to LFM H ToC 25 now and be happy that my culture allows me to waste my evenings and weekends in this manner.

Re:Worse than that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29995332)

The undead race exists, the model was changed to cover up the bones. I know some Americans who prefer that model for aesthetic reasons.

Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (0, Troll)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992152)

If you supervise a more dynamic area with a lot of growth potential, you have more budget and more administrative muscle

Question: What's the difference between China and America?

Answer: Both governments are authoritative. However, China's government is truthful about its intentions while America lies about their own.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29992224)

Also, both their media are liars. However, in America you think that the media might be lying to you sometimes, while in China you can be sure that the media is lying to you all the time.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (2, Interesting)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993332)

Just out of interest...have you *ever* been to China, or the US?

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29993626)

I have lived in a communist society like China, and now I live in a capitalistic one like the US, not exactly the same, but yeah, they share more similarities rather than differences.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993636)

Modern China ain't communist by any real meaning of the word.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994066)

In otherwise functional nations (not broken ones like Somalia or North Korea), daily life is pretty similar for people who tow the line. There really cannot be too much dissimilarity between the humdrum of the average worker between equivalent societies. People eat, work, commute, sleep, etc.

Where societies diverge is usually in how they deal with problems and people who don't tow the line for whatever reason. That's where China becomes a scary place... nothing says oppression quite like killing a dissident with hours of torture by cattle prod... vaginally. (Source of that is somewhere in this really, really long series [youtube.com] .)

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995714)

Go back and re-read some of my previous posts on Slashdot and you will find the answer to that.

In short; yes I live in Houston and take a trip out to Shanghai once a year for two weeks. I've also been to other cities such as Chongqing and Chengdu. I have yet to visit Bejing however.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (4, Interesting)

Mr Otobor (1097177) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995500)

Ummm, your ignorance is astonishing. Or your hyperbole.

If you're trying to draw a parallel between the Chinese Gov't and US Gov't because of some difficulty you had with taxes or some annoying permit you were required to get (probably by your local Gov't, and not even the Fed)... ahh, why am I even bothering trying to answer this rationally. Dude, read a book. I'd start with the dictionary and the definition of the "Authoritative." Then try reading a year's worth of articles about life in China. Then, reflect on how much of that information you wouldn't be reading if you lived in China (or what hoops you'd have to jump through to read it, and what consequences there would/could be for disseminating it.)

Then, put your money where your mouth is and move there and take your flippant attitude toward gov't with you. Please, express it loudly and unabashedly as much as possible. And then, after ten years, let's have this discussion again.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (-1, Flamebait)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#29997912)

Obviously, you've never heard of "Soft tyranny". But what does an uneducated idiot such as your self know about it?

Here, let me help *you* find a book. For starters, read Liberty and Tyranny -A Conservative Manifesto by Mark R. Levin.

How the F you got modded up is beyond me.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

ljgshkg (1223086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29998630)

Actually, information blocking is rather unsuccessful today because of the widespread use of internet and cheap cell phone plans with internet access (which is darn expensive in Canada). People have been using "same sound words" in Chinese and many other literature/language related methods to bypass automatic filtering or terms catching. Basically, because of the huge numbers of Chinese words that sounds the same or mean the same with or without combinations, it becomes impossible to catch until the authorities know those terms and interpret those terms in person. By then, new terms would have come out already... Not to mension Chinese is all over the world and communication between those inside mainland and outside of it allow information to flow in and out efficiently. And then people often uses some programs to bypass the great firewall and read those sensored stuff anyway. At least i know friends who do that and ahve no problem getting information everywhere.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

superyanthrax (835242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30000034)

The fact that this comment is moderated insightful is quite indicative of the ridiculous anti-China bias present in all Western countries and promulgated by all Western media. Perhaps it's because we are out-competing you in the global economy, perhaps it is some fear of "communism", perhaps it is straight up racism.

It's really easy to seem insightful when in reality you're spewing garbage if you're surrounded by people who agree with you.

I can tell you with certainty after living in both China and the USA that the denizens of neither country care about China's "human rights". "Human rights" is simply a sort of straw man for the Americans to beat on, the real objection the Americans have is that they don't like the trade deficit and would rather see China impoverished, Chinese competitors erased, and manufacturing and tech jobs back in America. People in China don't care about freedoms if the government can guarantee their economic well being, on which progress isn't uniform but is there. Real complaints about the government from within China always result when someone is getting cheated out of money or property, perhaps due to government red tape or corruption.

Re:Power hungry money grubbing grab-asses (1)

DigiShaman (671371) | more than 4 years ago | (#30001066)

Human rights is a very real issue in China (morally/ethically), so I wouldn't down play it's value. I do agree however that it's being trumpeted to cover up the fact America is vastly in debt and facing some serious economic competition. It's all sour grapes really.

As for caring about freedoms. Well, I'm sure that might be true of the Mao generation. However, the people that I've had a chance to talk too (they all spoke English) were University students and under 30. Every one of those in that group value freedom very much. They want the same or similar rights and freedoms that westerners do. It won't happen over night like in some revolution or something. Rather, it will happen very very slowly as the younger generation start replacing the older in government. Power still corrupts, but so far they are making progress which is always a good thing.

Well.. (1)

Tibia1 (1615959) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992218)

Seeing that they are both rogues (politicians) we'll have to wait and see who get caught out of stealth first.

It's a sign that China is modernising (4, Insightful)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992298)

Instead of warlords fighting for turf, you have civil servants fighting for budget. Progress. You also have the advantage that, unlike the US and the UK, you already have an overbearing, censorship-obsessed, fascist* slave state, so you don't have the civil servants fighting to get the budget to create one.

* anyone who thinks China is Communist doesn't understand either (a) the meaning of communism or (b) history.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29992476)

* anyone who thinks China is fascist doesn't understand either (a) the meaning of fascism or (b) history.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (1)

ElectricTurtle (1171201) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993912)

China would appear to me to meet the definition of a fascist state more than it does a communist state. The Chinese government is single-party, authoritarian, nationalistic, and while it plays lip service to old communist tropes like class struggle, in point of fact it has increased the stratification of its society into classes radically over the last two decades. It plays host to a large contingent of corporations that are hybrids of state and private control, and it manipulates its society through direct and active control of religious institutions and public discourse.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (2, Insightful)

Phil-14 (1277) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996688)

China would appear to me to meet the definition of a fascist state more than it does a communist state. The Chinese government is single-party, authoritarian, nationalistic, and while it plays lip service to old communist tropes like class struggle, in point of fact it has increased the stratification of its society into classes radically over the last two decades. It plays host to a large contingent of corporations that are hybrids of state and private control, and it manipulates its society through direct and active control of religious institutions and public discourse.

That's the classic communist definition of 'fascism,' but it's also what most communist states invariably end up looking like. There's always a 'new class,' there's always lip service to communist tropes while the new class stratification is implemented, there's always corporations or corporation-equivalents, sometimes foreign based or sometimes 'design bureaus,' whose presense benefits the New Class more than the old one, and there's always control over public discourse and religious institutions. It happened in Russia, it happened in Cuba, in Eastern Europe, in SE Asia after the communists finally won there... you'd think by now people would be asking why communist-definition fascism seems to be the end state of communist governments, but it never seems to happen.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (1)

agnosticnixie (1481609) | more than 4 years ago | (#29997592)

That's the classic definition of fascism according to the fascists themselves.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993338)

China can't be communist! Communists aren't evil fascists like China!

No true Scotsman...?

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993620)

Instead of warlords fighting for turf, you have civil servants fighting for budget

Civil servants fighting for budget in China has been going on for several thousand years.

Re:It's a sign that China is modernising (1)

ljgshkg (1223086) | more than 4 years ago | (#29998436)

Civil servants in this whole world have all been fighting for budget for thousand of years and try to waste/use-up whatever is left over before the next budget time, which continue today everywhere. lol

The real question is.... (1)

Tomsk70 (984457) | more than 4 years ago | (#29992810)

...will the Chinese WoW turn into Evony?

Government at its Most Honest (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993016)

This is government at its simplest and most honest: the struggle for power and influence, consequences to the people be damned. Let those who would expand the powers of their own governments forget this at their peril.

I guess... (4, Insightful)

jipn4 (1367823) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993068)

US bureaucrats are also falling over each other to regulate whatever they can because it gives them power. Bureaucracies work the same the world over, communist or not.

Re:I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29993340)

“Bureaucracy”: a cyst not only found on communist bodies. Organizational systems of any kind are prone to these gaseous wounding agents. Rule #1 of a bureaucrat = keep your position, and #2 = make your job seem important, even if it's moving a piles of poo into everyones back yard. These empty shells should leave it alone. Everything will eventually work its self out (see Darwin's theory of evolution / thermodynamics law #2). Punishment is build into true sin.

Re:I guess... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29993480)

"moving piles of poo into peoples backyards", huh?
Delivering fertilizer so the crops can continue to grow actually is an important job and nothing like what the bureaucrats do.
They are more like shoveling the poo from somebody's backyard and into the living room.

Re:I guess... (1)

MindlessAutomata (1282944) | more than 4 years ago | (#29993670)

That applies to elected positions as well. It's not that bureaucrats suck, it's that everyone sucks.

Armor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29993252)

I don't use chink soldiers.
  After all, no matter how good they think their armor is ,There will still always be chinks in their armor

get real already (2, Insightful)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994082)

This is about who gets to be in a position of demanding bribes to allow WOW in their country. This is about good old fashioned greed and doesn't have a damn thing to do with Orcs or Elves. Since this is seen as potentially very lucrative, people will fight to be in a position to exploit this. It's fundamentally no different than any other fight for territory.

Bad timing... (1)

hesaigo999ca (786966) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994136)

I know the game is far from over, but I have seen the start of a movement of people just fed up of playing so much for so long, and wanting something different...WoW had its day, and even though I am a die hard fan, have my account and play alost everyday (.5 to 1.5 hours) I have to say I think WoWs days are limited, they are taking too much time between expansions (being the limit for lvling is rumored to be 100) so the next expansion is lvl 80 - 85, instead of the usual 10 lvls.....I think this is a mistake on their part, trying to milk even more money from their already broke players.

25$ character transfer, 25$ character name change, then 15$ per month to play, 50$ per expansion or game.....it adds up quick as being the most expensive game to play EVER. If they would relax on certain issues such as 25$ name change or server change, but put a cap like max 1 every 6 months or something like that...people might be interested in trying out different servers, or factions, or maybe someone has gotten a bad rap, so the name change gives them a new slate to make new friends again...

The Chinese want to try and make money on the WoW economy, yet they do not understand they are maybe 3 years too late.
WoW will have problems getting to lvl 100 with keeping players interested. The latest world events is a cool concept, but not enough to keep players plugging 15$ per month....for the same content.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995028)

"25$ character transfer, 25$ character name change, then 15$ per month to play, 50$ per expansion or game.....it adds up quick as being the most expensive game to play EVER."

First off your prices are wrong. $15 to change your name, and xpacs are only $50 on release day.

$20 for the game, $20 for the first xpac, and $40 for the second xpac equals $80 to buy the game outright, today. In order to match the price of a SINGLE set of golf clubs, you'd need to buy (after the game) a name change, a character transfer (comes with a name change), a race change (which comes with ANOTHER name change), a faction change (guess what else you get to change), and TWO months of game time.

At this point you've had 3 months of entertainment, and even though you've needlessly spent ridiculous amounts of money swapping your toons around (because none of these things are necessary to enjoy the game) you've still only spent about as much as someone who's owned a set of golf clubs long enough to walk them out of the store.

How is WoW even CLOSE to the most expensive game ever?

Re:Bad timing... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996178)

Context, context.

He is talking about computer games. I mean, come one.

Golf is now where near as expensive as owning a football team, but that would make no sense in this context, would it?

Re:Bad timing... (1)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 4 years ago | (#29998550)

He said 'game' not 'video game', and if I was to assume what he meant from the context, I would have assumed 'mmorpg' and not 'video game' in general anyways.

And it's not like your nitpick actually has anything to do with my point. Judging game to game, $20 for WoW is pretty fucking good, even if you only get the first 60 levels and all the dungeons that go with it. Spend another $20 for BC, and you get many more hours of play, new dungeons, a new continent, etc. Now you've spent less than you would have buying Halo, and you get the same content that amused players for YEARS.

Anyone who thinks WoW is expensive by any metric needs to spend some quality time with a math book.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

Fred IV (587429) | more than 4 years ago | (#29999710)

Anyone who thinks WoW is expensive by any metric needs to spend some quality time with a math book.

WoW only looks like a bargain if you compare it with other disposable forms of entertainment with limited replay value....compared to buying a new console game every month WoW is a great deal. Compared to buying a chess set, WoW is a terrible waste of money in terms of both potential hours of entertainment and opportunity for meaningful social interaction.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 4 years ago | (#30000460)

Yeah but the graphics suck, and chess is for nerds.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996148)

".5 to 1.5"

The barely qualifies you as a player~

Anyways, whoever gets WoW, will probably get any future games.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

WuphonsReach (684551) | more than 4 years ago | (#29998444)

Right now, it's late in the expansion and here's the problems that I'm seeing:

- The "B" team is obviously in charge. So many immersive RPG elements have been removed this year (3 days between server moves or name/race changes). And they continue to remove any sorts of barriers that make the game world feel real and not just a grind fest of teleporting to an instance then teleporting to another instance.

- The ToC raid (3rd in the series, Naxx -> Ulduar -> ToC) was a piss poor "toss the players in a box with big scary monsters". I was bored with it after the 2nd week. At least Naxx and Ulduar were somewhat interesting with different scenery. But there were some really stupid fights in Ulduar, where it would take you 15-20 minutes to finish an encounter (only to fail after 10 minutes and have to start over).

- Most players have gotten all of the alts they could want to level 80. Most have finished grinding out all WotLK reps to exalted that they care about and are basically biding their time (or trying to keep up with the raid progression).

- The rumors about the next expansion are out, and nearly everything that you knew about Talents and Attributes will be changing. So why bother killing yourself now to bone up on stuff that will be obsolete in another 3-6 months.

And nobody milks their players as much as SOE. Blizzard is almost a saint in comparison. Go price out the Station Pass or the various services that you can add onto a EQ2 account.

Re:Bad timing... (1)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 4 years ago | (#29999580)

Is it just me or has the WoW is dying meme replaced the BSD is dying one?

Protip! (1)

space_jake (687452) | more than 4 years ago | (#29994592)

Protip: Roll a flavor of the month class. I don't know which one it is but you can count the nerf threads on the wow pvp forums to figure it out.

Fun exercise (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#29995658)

Replace 'Chinese' with 'American'
Replace 'WoW' with 'Healthcare'

Act of War? (1)

Hasai (131313) | more than 4 years ago | (#29995782)

So; if a Western gamer spots a Red Chinese chekist in-game and chops him down, is it considered an act of war?
];)

heh (0, Offtopic)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996128)

It's absurd how Orcs and elves (and Moonkin) can affect so many different faraway places."

You mean like Hobbiton?

Stupid Jackson missing the ENTIRE point of the book by changing the Hobbiton ending.

Do they need a visit from a free market advocate? (1)

misterich (525769) | more than 4 years ago | (#29996186)

I Claim the Right (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 4 years ago | (#30001300)

I claim the right to regulate China.
It's really getting out of hand with all this communism crap.
It would be really nice to see the people rise up and feed barbequed party members to starving North Koreans.
They could set up a nice free republic and we could see what quality craftsmanship the Chinese really can do when not enslaved by greedy Government/ Businessmen.
Then we could do the same here.

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