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KDE Founder Receives Highest German Honor

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the other-than-beer dept.

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Jiilik Oiolosse writes "KDE founder Matthias Ettrich was decorated today with the German Federal Cross of Merit for his contributions to Free Software. The Federal Cross of Merit is both the most prestigious as well as the only general decoration awarded by the Federal Republic of Germany. It is awarded by the Federal President for outstanding achievements in the political, economic, cultural, and other fields. Matthias was awarded the medal in recognition of his work spurring innovation and spreading knowledge for the common good."

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Ha (5, Funny)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012178)

Take THAT gnome!

Re:Ha (5, Insightful)

noundi (1044080) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012208)

Take THAT gnome!

Except if it wasn't for GNOME Qt would still be proprietary. It's easy to neglect the impacts OSS projects have on eachother, even if they don't share one single row of code.

Re:Ha (5, Funny)

everynerd (1252610) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012512)

I bet you're fun at parties.

Re:Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012582)

I'll bet parties aren't fun for him.

Re:Ha (4, Funny)

straponego (521991) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012542)

QPLists? Fuck me. Say what you want about the tenets of the GPL, but at least it's an ethos!

Will Gnome 3 link to Mono? (3, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013402)

and we have all seen what happened to that GNU created hero (!) after he went to Novell. Do you really want to raise this "proprietary" crap for sure? Even GNU Debian Linux (there is a reason for that name) got infected by his wannabe framework (!) because of some trivial note taking application.

Now multi billion mobile/services giant Nokia, who doesn't need money like poor Trolltech has made the project free/GPL. I don't see any "Qt is proprietary" trolls cheering. It was so wrong to ask for money while companies making millions/billions with your full fledged framework isn't it? For example, Google, Adobe, Last.fm doesn't need to pay?

GNU's biggest mistake was making that trojan guy a hero while he didn't deserve it. He was just another person, a MS reject who did 1000th clone of Norton Commander, that is all.

Re:Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013546)

It was rather for the Qt fork called Harmony than for Gnome:
http://www.kde.org/whatiskde/qt.php

Re:Ha (1)

c (8461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013932)

> Except if it wasn't for GNOME Qt would still be proprietary.

Speculation. It might have happened anyways. It might even have happened sooner if GNOME wasn't around to steal the Linux desktop spotlight. Or someone might have built a Free clone of the Qt API.

Re:Ha (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012224)

Actually, Miguel de Icaza has already received one of the highest American honors: a corporate vice-presidency.

Re:Ha (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013062)

He also got the Golden Wall and Fence medal from Ballmare. For supporting windows and gates.

Re:Ha (1)

Hymer (856453) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013250)

Except US Corporate titles (except CEO) are not worth the paper they are printed on.

Mercy (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013374)

Gnome doesn't need any more beating while that MS employee is still in the project itself.

His name is Mark Owen methinks ... (1)

meist3r (1061628) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013784)

you case-insensitive clod!

Kongratulations! (5, Funny)

Penguinshit (591885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012184)

My kompliments...

Re:Kongratulations! (1)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012256)

Kan you ceep the noise down?! Kan't you cee come of uc are trying to cleep, kokc!

Re:Kongratulations! (1)

kjots (64798) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012892)

Ha ha ha, what a silly bunt.

Re:Kongratulations! (1)

turing_m (1030530) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012508)

All the kommedians out of work, and you had to start.

This would never happen in the United States. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012196)

This would never happen in the United States. They are too busy patting themselves on the back for outsourcing development to India and synergizing the next mission statement.

Re:This would never happen in the United States. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012310)

The American way of recognizing the value of FOSS work would be to count work on public projects as an in-kind charitable contribution, and to be able to deduct it from our taxes accordingly.

Re:This would never happen in the United States. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012366)

If only I could find a tax attorney who agrees with you.

Any pointers?

Re:This would never happen in the United States. (1)

roguetrick (1147853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012826)

Re:This would never happen in the United States. (1)

roguetrick (1147853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012832)

I didn't even read what I was pasting there. Shows you how relevant the Simpsons are the me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Hutz [wikipedia.org]

Hmm... (3, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012206)

Shouldn't they have given him the German Federal Kross of Merit?

Posted from Konqueror.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012260)

I don't thinc so.

Re:Hmm... (4, Informative)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012348)

Well, the German word for "cross" ("Kreuz") already starts with a K. Yes, we love KDE that much.

Exact! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013480)

> Yes, we love KDE that much.

Precisely. Difficult to put what I feel in words so simple yet so powerful.

KDE is lovable like that old multipurpose Swiss knife one gets as birthday gift. Always there, always trustworthy (version 3, that is, version 4.x is shaping up nicely -- now!).

Not only KDE is sophisticated, but KDE people are always gentle. When did a KDE developer got angry responding to critics? They're the first to recognize problems, fixable or not, and they take their time to explain where they're going, too -- because there is a explainable plan.

Don't know the guy, but from his very early post ( http://www.kde.org/announcements/announcement.php [kde.org] ), one may think his frank, open tone somehow attracted the same kind of "dreamer" folks.

Thank you very much, Matthias, for sharing your dream with other developers -- who together made it all happen -- and with us, KDE users.

Re:Hmm... (2, Informative)

gerddie (173963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013564)

Well it's Bundesverdienstkreuz [wikipedia.org]

Interesting Wired article (-1, Troll)

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Re:Interesting Wired article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012342)

That's a pretty good likeness of you fucking your mom.

The German Federal cross (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012214)

Yes its an honour. [wikipedia.org]

Re:The German Federal cross (1)

kdemetter (965669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013608)

Ah , Godwin's Law

Runner up (5, Funny)

Capmaster (843277) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012252)

This is really just consolation for the Nobel Peace Prize he was supposed to win.

Re:Runner up (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012418)

Don't you mean Konsolation?

Re:Runner up (1)

kdemetter (965669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013620)

no you mean : Konsole-ation.

Re:Runner up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012592)

They were too busy giving it to people who bomb third world countries. . .

Re:Runner up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012680)

They were too busy giving it to people who bomb third world countries. . .

You are an idiot.

Re:Runner up (1)

thisisaccount2 (1647273) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012694)

You fell for a troll.

Wait... state the obvious club is room 206?
...

He deserves it more than Obama / Gore do. (1)

tjstork (137384) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012762)

And, I'm not saying that just because I happen to be a Republican...

I'm saying that, as, a practical matter of bringing about world peace, its awfully hard to hate the Germans when they've done such a wonderful job through the years with KDE and KDevelop. There's a world peace argument to be made for that. How many hundreds of thousands of people use KDE?

Now, can they finish KDevelop 4, PLEASE. :-)

Re:He deserves it more than Obama / Gore do. (3, Insightful)

petrus4 (213815) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013116)

And, I'm not saying that just because I happen to be a Republican...

This is true. Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize was an absolute farce, and you could tell that he knew that himself.

I don't view Obama as a monster, but he is no saviour, and no Messiah either.

Re:He deserves it more than Obama / Gore do. (1)

neongrau (1032968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013410)

i wonder, do you see it as a farce because you think he hasn't deserved it (yet)?
Or because they gave it to him with the idea to put some kind of pressure on him to actually do something?

I fully agree that it was questionable. But hopefully it'll work out for a greater good.

Obama had some merits for that, though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013832)

Obama getting the Nobel Peace Prize was an absolute farce

I think that as a slight overstatement. I've got to agree that after I heard of it my first reaction was "WHAT?! Shouldn't they like... Wait that he has accomplished something??" and this coming from a left wing activist (perhaps 'far left' by american standards but then again, I don't live there). I think that people all around the world had similar reactions.

However, after giving it some thought, I can see some reasoning for that. A lot of his campaigning was about drawing out from illegal war and occupation, which he still (to my knowledge) plans to do. His speeched were (with little to no exceptions) about uniting the currently divided nation. It's propably impossible to accomplish, but at least a lot of people found his speeches inspiring. He has been campaigning for tighter nuclear proliferation treaties (and has the power to make this happen). He has given UN back a lot of the respect and authority it had pre-G.W.B. era. He is internationally loved and has raised the status of USA in the eyes of other countries by a massive amount. He has made US support for Pakistan dependent on their efforts to fight against terrorism (I don't personally like this but I see how some people could)... The list could be continued.

I don't think that Obama should have gotten the prize, at least yet. I would have wanted to wait for the actual nuclear weapon related treaties to be made first and would have loved to see some real effort on the Israel/Palestina issue as USA would have the authority to solve it (seeing how Israel is financially very dependant on USA support). It would have beeen great to see him lift the restrictions regarding Cuba (though he has lifted some - postal services between USA and Cuba work again) and I could really continue this list for a long time.

Even so, he did have some merits for that so I think that "farce" is an overstatement.

It stands to reason (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012258)

If this is the only general award given by the German government that it is also the least prestigious, too?

Re:It stands to reason (1, Troll)

allknowingfrog (1661721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012514)

That was my first thought too. Maybe they meant that it is one of the most prestigious awards and that it is the only general award, not that it is the most prestigious, general award.

Re:It stands to reason (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012866)

Since they discontinued the iron cross (with oak leaves) then yes, it is.

Re:It stands to reason (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013354)

I would imagine the iron cross is still available for outstanding hardware developers.

Re:It stands to reason (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012964)

If this is the only general award given by the German government that it is also the least prestigious, too?

Yes, it is.
There are, however, six different classes, so there is an "most" and "least" prestigious: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Cross_of_Merit
3k to 5k decorations given each year, a total of 240k from 1951 (wikipedia).

Nonetheless: Kongrats to him!!

Re:It stands to reason (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012990)

It seems like he got the Verdienstmedaille (Medal of Merit), not one of the Crosses.

Re:It stands to reason (1)

neongrau (1032968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013448)

there are mayn variations of it, but it's still always a cross. even if named medal officially. its commonly named "Bundesverdienstkreuz"

you can see on the photo that he is wearing this one: http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Bundes-Verdienstmedaille.JPG&filetimestamp=20090210164105 [wikipedia.org]

Re:It stands to reason (2, Informative)

Sique (173459) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013092)

No, the Germans named all their awards the same and make a difference just by the level. The Federal Cross of Merit thus has nine levels. (I am still trying to find out which level he got.)

Re:It stands to reason (1)

kill-1 (36256) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013520)

Typically, he would get the Verdienstkreuz am Bande [wikipedia.org] , which is the second lowest level.

Re:It stands to reason (1)

kill-1 (36256) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013538)

Scratch that. As another commenter mentioned, judging by the photo it looks like the Verdienstmedaille.

Re:It stands to reason (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013418)

They may mean the most prestigious award in Germany is also the only one awarded by the Federal Government.

KDE KBE (1)

RealGrouchy (943109) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012284)

If only he were from a Commonwealth country, then he could be made a KBE.

- RG>

Well, there ARE different classes of the Cross (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012290)

So you can argue it's not THE highest honor... He received the lowest class of the Federal Cross of Merit. But that still is some achievement!

Re:Well, there ARE different classes of the Cross (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013660)

I guess the highest level of honour goes to people like Tim Berners-Lee.

Wait, what? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Psychopath (18031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012292)

The Federal Cross of Merit is both the most prestigious as well as the only general decoration awarded by the Federal Republic of Germany.

Wouldn't that also make it the least prestigious general decoration?

Re:Wait, what? (4, Funny)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012322)

Wouldn't that also make it the least prestigious general decoration?

Better than a coat of paint.

Re:Wait, what? (1)

pookemon (909195) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012448)

Nein!

Re:Wait, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012486)

In "The Great Escape", Steve McQueen kept getting awarded "Coolahh!" by his German hosts. I think that would be considered less desireable than what Ettrich got.

It is the least prestigious.. (5, Informative)

henni16 (586412) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012518)

Actually, it is the "least prestigious" form of the "most prestigious" decoration.
There are several classes of the Cross of Merit [wikipedia.org] and from the picture it looks like he was awarded the "Medal of Merit", i.e. the lowest one.

Re:It is the least prestigious.. (1)

shadowofwind (1209890) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012652)

There is a lie in every slashdot summary, its like its a natural law or something.

Re:Wait, what? (2, Interesting)

the_other_chewey (1119125) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012532)

The Federal Cross of Merit is both the most prestigious as well as the only general decoration awarded by the Federal Republic of Germany.

Wouldn't that also make it the least prestigious general decoration?

Yeah, that's worded weirdly.

It is the only federal award, making it the most prestigious amongst all (federal + non-federal - there's lots of those) official German state awards.
It has multiple classes however, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Cross_of_Merit [wikipedia.org] I can't find any reference to which
one was awarded to Mr. Ettrich - I'd suspect it to be one of the not-so-high ones however.

Re:Wait, what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013812)

The Federal Cross of Merit is both the most prestigious as well as the only general decoration awarded by the Federal Republic of Germany.

Wouldn't that also make it the least prestigious general decoration?

It does. Sad part is you don't exactly have to be familiar with Dedekind cuts to figure that out. If he'd dropped the 'only' ....

Heil Hitler to all my German KDE Friends! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012312)

I wish to offer my best wishes and a hearty and heartfelt Heil Hitler to all my German KDE friends! Sieg Heil KDE!

He, and many others, deserve it (2, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012318)

Congrats Matthias.

Re:He, and many others, deserve it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012368)

Krap...KDE4 is utter rubbish and is the final nail in the coffin of Linux DE's in general. They are all starting to suck too hard now. WM's ftw!

Good (2)

Broodje (646341) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012354)

Good - What a nice recognition for hard work in public service.

Germany's highest honor ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012386)

A jelly donut ?

ich ein berliner

The bad news (3, Funny)

ChienAndalu (1293930) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012408)

He received it as a plasmoid and it crashed his desktop. But it looks nice.

not that happy (-1, Troll)

jipn4 (1367823) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012438)

I understand why he got it, and the effort he has managed to rally for KDE is impressive. However, I think KDE and Gnome together really screwed the community by picking such bad languages and platforms to build on. And KDE's pick of a non-FOSS toolkit to build on was a grave error that could have done enormous damage.

Re:not that happy (3, Insightful)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012530)

And KDE's pick of a non-FOSS toolkit to build on was a grave error that could have done enormous damage.

There was a real choice of FOSS toolkits back then?

Re:not that happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012916)

Of course there was. Look at xlib, for example. /ducks. and runs. like there is no tomorrow.

Re:not that happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013200)

Qt is LGPL now, quit your whining.

Re:not that happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012572)

1) I can hardly say c++ is a bad language, especially from the perspective of the time when kde was started at. 1996 (the start of kde) was the pentium 1 era where performance was more looked at and higher level language less mature then they are today.

2) Key word, *could* have but they managed this department pretty well i'd say with from written the guarantee to the eventual lgpl of QT (thus making it FOSS). So I fail to see the error in their choice as choosing QT did not affect them in any major way license wise. If kde died early on, it would have been no biggie as it would only take away the value kde initially added. But this issue was addressed pretty early and is a non-issue now.

If you mean, the development (creation of kde and gnome) is the issue. Well, they got popular for a reason. If somebody could write a *Better* windows enviroment using what you/they thought would be a "good" language and toolkit (I assume you mean toolkits when you say platforms instead of things like x86 and ppc), they could have and still can write it. The great thing about foss is that you CAN'T take away from it, only add value to it. The absence of added value is not a loss as eveything would just stay the same.

Re:not that happy (1)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012792)

"I think KDE and Gnome together really screwed the community by picking such bad languages and platforms"

Are you a fucking retard? C and C++ are bad languages??

Re:not that happy (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012842)

pls dun feed th trolls ty hth hand

Re:not that happy (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012898)

Well, one of them is. (It's the one with the OO strap-on, of course.) High-level programming needn't necessarily be LISP, but can at least be less sucky than C++.

C, OTOH, is a perfectly good systems language; I'm with you there. He is a fucking retard.

Re:not that happy (2, Funny)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013366)

Are you a fucking retard? C and C++ are bad languages??

Only from an engineering and systems design point of view. Otherwise they're fine.

Re:not that happy (1, Insightful)

petrus4 (213815) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012860)

And KDE's pick of a non-FOSS toolkit to build on was a grave error that could have done enormous damage.

Its' lack of Stallman's approval has enormously harmed KDE's degree of uptake and use, yes.

I continue to pray for the end of the Free Software Foundation. If Stallman and its' other members truly wanted to help their fellow man at this point, they would voluntarily dissolve the organisation, and withdraw into anonymity.

Re:not that happy (1)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013572)

I continue to pray for the end of the Free Software Foundation. If Stallman and its' other members truly wanted to help their fellow man at this point, they would voluntarily dissolve the organisation, and withdraw into anonymity.P. how would that help their fellow man? - i don't follow

Re:not that happy (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012868)

KDE was founded by open sourcers, not free software evangelists, as such, it was founded on a pragmatic base. Qt was one of the best GUI toolkits at the time and KDE got a free-as-in-beer deal to use it, the devs acknowledged that the whole wasn't open but (shock, horror) they thought producing a working Desktop Environment to be more important then rewriting Qt from scratch (that was on a roadmap I believe, but it was low priority). GNOME came into existence by the Free Software people who couldn't bare having proprietary code touching their hardware, not exactly the most compelling reason to start a DE project.

As for the snipe about languages... What do you propose, Python? Ruby? (Ignoring the fact that neither existed in a usable form) Perl? People always bitch about C++ but that language is ultimately as messy or clean as you make it (Don't do stupid crap, use simpler constructs when they're good enough), although I suspect you also think not having to declare variables before you use them is a good idea (blech — almost the definition of write-once-read-never code). I'm not going to criticise GNOME's choice of C either, the more off putting thing is the absurd superiority complexes that the coders often seem to have despite the code being longer and often more complicated than the C++/other equivalent (without being faster either). The real crime on their part is GLib GObject, it's object-oriented C and is more ugly then Satan's backside — if you're going to use C then use C, don't half-ass C++ features into it.

Re:not that happy (2, Interesting)

ReneeJade (1649107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013040)

People always bitch about C++ but that language is ultimately as messy or clean as you make it (Don't do stupid crap, use simpler constructs when they're good enough)

This is what it comes down to with any language that doesn't deliberately limit the coder with enforced abstraction. Just do not do retarded stuff. And don't let terrible programmers use languages that give them low-level control. Even better - don't let terrible programmers write programs.

On the topic of the Mr Ettritch, well I think that's pretty cool. Nice to hear a story about someone dedicating years of effort to something constructive and getting recognition from authorities outside his field. I use GNOME, but still, good on him. High-five mate .

Re:not that happy (1)

Have Brain Will Rent (1031664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013380)

This is what it comes down to with any language that doesn't deliberately limit the coder with enforced abstraction. Just do not do retarded stuff. And don't let terrible programmers use languages that give them low-level control. Even better - don't let terrible programmers write programs.

Ok, so now we're down to about me and 99 other programmers being allowed to program. What shall we do now? What's that? Raise our rates??? Wellll ok then!

Re:not that happy (1)

gerddie (173963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013690)

KDE was founded by open sourcers, not free software evangelists, as such, it was founded on a pragmatic base. Qt was one of the best GUI toolkits at the time and KDE got a free-as-in-beer deal to use it,

There was also wxWidgets (wxWindows), it was quite usable and IIRC LGPL and with Lyx Mr Ettritch, also choose the non-free XForms toolkit. In that sense it's quite ironic that he gets a medal for his contribution to free software. That aside and although I don't use it, KDE is certainly a nice piece of work and nowadays, with all the licensing issues resolved, there's nothing more to complain about. Congratulations to Mr. Ettritch!

did the SAP guys ever win that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012452)

just wondering

On the other side of the fence (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012544)

On other unrelated news, Miguel de Icaza was given the Golden Windows medal by Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, for his outstanding job at undermining Free Software principles, and destroying Linux from within.

Congratulations Matthias (5, Insightful)

yorkshiredale (1148021) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012584)

Slashdot humor aside for a moment, it's truly a great honour to be recognized by one's country, and Matthias ought to be proud of the accomplishments of himself and the KDE community.

Keep up the good work Matthias and all the KDE folks. You deserve this, and your efforts are appreciated (though sorry, slashdot doesn't give out Crosses of Merit, yet)

Wow, the culture must be very different from U.S. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012616)

Kind of ironic, given, umm, World War II and stuff, which country seems more free now.

But that represents such a freer mindset than exists in the USA. I can't imagine in my wildest dreams the highest national medal of the US going to a libre software person. It would take Linus Torvalds being elected our President ... and even then, he'd have no way to push this past Congress.

Re:Wow, the culture must be very different from U. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30012840)

WTF.

Does valuing free software have _anything_ to do with real freedom, as in government non-interference, and prevention of violent interference by others (individuals or businesses)? Not that I can see -- while certain failure modes of government (e.g. big-brother security state) are unlikely to wholeheartedly support open source, due to the difficulty of installing secret backdoors, the issues are otherwise pretty orthogonal.

Oh, and which is freer now? Damned if I know, or care. I live in the US, and Germany is too far to swim. More seriously, I've got a better shot trying to reform my country to be as free as it can be (at the ballot box and street corners today, and in revolution tomorrow, if it ever comes to that) than trying to transplant myself elsewhere where I don't even speak the language, and would be most certainly less free fro quite a while until I receive citizenship.

The allies liberated Germany. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013460)

Well I guess the allies liberated Germany, but I guess they never got round to liberating the US :P. (Oh and the CAPTCHA word was medals, ironically enough).

Shh! Don't mention the flamewar! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013488)

I know mailservers that died in the great flamewar of '98. I think they are still a bit sensitive about it.

Re:Wow, the culture must be very different from U. (1)

gerddie (173963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013610)

Don't get too comfortable with that Idea, we just finished 11 years of governments that brought us the RFID chip in the passport, finger prints in passports, a half year of storing of all connection data, and who tried to bring us the infamous "stop" sign for censoring the Internet.

Re:Wow, the culture must be very different from U. (1)

jmac_the_man (1612215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013908)

If you think the birth certificate people are bad now, just wait for what they'll do to a Torvalds presidency.

For me, there are no Big *Two.* (3, Informative)

petrus4 (213815) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012822)

Although I don't normally use the Big Two, when I have, the only positive experiences I've ever had, have been with KDE.

Despite its' bloat, the system is absolutely gorgeous visually, and to my mind has been ahead of XP in that department almost since its' inception. Konqueror is also the single most versatile and powerful file manager that I've ever used. Local file management and remote web browsing in two panes of the same window are awesome, but it is still more versatile than IE as well, in terms of the number of different modes, and the integration with Konsole that it allows.

Although it isn't much, KDE is also closer in design terms to the UNIX philosophy as well; the different parts are more cleanly encapsulated than GNOME, and it's more self-contained, as well.

It isn't the more popular of the two major DEs, presumably due to not being Stallman-approved for the entirety of its' history...but it is overwhelmingly the better one.

Re:For me, there are no Big *Two.* (3, Interesting)

xororand (860319) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013078)

Although it isn't much, KDE is also closer in design terms to the UNIX philosophy as well; the different parts are more cleanly encapsulated than GNOME, and it's more self-contained, as well.

On the other hand, if you look at it from a developer's side, GTKMM [gtkmm.org] (the C++ interface of GTK) might be closer to the UNIX philosophy of "do one thing only, and do that right". While Qt reinvents the wheel so many times, by using its own classes for many things, like QString or QThread, or by implementing its own slot & signal system with a C++ preprocessor, GTKMM uses standard and existing libraries wherever possible.

Qt: QString, QList, QVector
GTKMM: std::string, std::list, std::vector

Qt: Signal handling with macros and its own custom C++ preprocessor
GTKMM: libsigc++, template-based signal handling

Of course that's just one way of looking at it but I wouldn't call any of the two less close to the UNIX philosophy. On the end user's side, both have an abstract VFS to file management on remote resources, etc...

That said, kongratulations, Matthias! I hope this award encourages others to dedicate their time for the greater good.

Re:For me, there are no Big *Two.* (2, Insightful)

Verunks (1000826) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013696)

the problem is that Qt should run on many different platforms so it cannot depend on many external libraries that probably would run only on unix-like system, this way is much easier for developers to deploy their app everywhere

Re:For me, there are no Big *Two.* (1)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013818)

ahem... Gtkmm uses Glib::ustring, not std::string (though there are default constructors and conversion methods in both directions).

Re:For me, there are no Big *Two.* (1)

RichiH (749257) | more than 4 years ago | (#30013164)

KDE 4 has limited the usefulness of Konqueror in favour of Dolphin. KDE being open source, this will certainly improve over time, but I am running 4.3.2 and some pills are still hard to swallow.
Fwiw, my gf and my work boxes run 3.5.10 and will unfortunately continue to do so for some time.

which accent? (1)

Capt. Beyond (179592) | more than 4 years ago | (#30012950)

I wonder if he used his British accent to accept this award?

About time! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30013782)

Congratulations!

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