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Glenn Beck Loses Dispute Over Parody Domain

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the not-sure-if-strawman-is-quite-the-right-fallacy dept.

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CuteSteveJobs writes "Glenn Beck fought the law and the law won. Parody website DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com attacked Beck using the same straw man arguments Beck himself is famous for: 'We're not accusing Glenn Beck of raping and murdering a young girl in 1990 — in fact, we think he didn't! But we can't help but wonder ... Why won't he deny that he raped and killed a young girl in 1990?' Beck didn't see the humour and tried to have the site shut down. He sued the creator on the grounds the site 'violated his name as a trademark.' But in a sudden outbreak of common sense, WIPO rejected Beck's complaint finding the site 'can be said to be making a political statement,' which is a 'legitimate non-commercial use' of Beck's name. But after winning, the owner voluntarily handed Beck the domain anyway. Still, it's comforting to know that satire — the only weapon politicians and talking heads fear — is still safely in the hands of the public where it belongs."

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eat my shorts slashdot !! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30045830)

Eat my shorts slashdot !!

DidKDAWSONRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30045866)

DidKDAWSONRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com

icing on the cake: (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045872)

tell beck why the results of his arrogance is now something he has in common with barbra streisand. he'll love the comparison

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect [wikipedia.org]

Re:icing on the cake: (2, Insightful)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045956)

So if someone set up a similar site in your name it, you'd rest with the decision that it was parody and legal?

Re:icing on the cake: (3, Insightful)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046016)

Just because this is Glenn Beck, and there is almost a syndrome about the Beck/Limbaugh/Fox hatred going on right, doesn't take away from the vile level to which some people stoop to personally destroy someone.

If this was: www.didmichelleobamagangbangacollegefootballteamandgetpregnant.org people would be furious with the decision that it was legal.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I do look for a certain level of intellectual honest on /. After all, this isn't the Huffington Post.

Re:icing on the cake: (5, Insightful)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046086)

Irrelevant. The question isn't whether it provokes outrage, it's whether it was legal. Glenn Beck and his fans are all perfectly entitled to be enraged, but Beck shouldn't try to abuse the system in order to shut the website down.

Re:icing on the cake: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046088)

After all, this isn't the Huffington Post.

Correct, HuffPo isn't 90% Javascript.

Re:icing on the cake: (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046142)

It would be in just as poor taste, but yes it should be legal.

Re:icing on the cake: (2, Informative)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046162)

Yes. People would be furious about that. So what? That would have no bearing whatsoever on whether or not it was legal. I am sure that the drooling retards who call themselves Glenn Beck fans are outraged about this decision.

Re:icing on the cake: (2, Insightful)

Icegryphon (715550) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046284)

I am sure that the drooling retards who call themselves Glenn Beck fans are outraged about this decision.

I want one of those broad brushes.
Where did you get yours? Ace? HomeDepot?

Re:icing on the cake: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046396)

They do not drool on camera, just foaming, unless the drool is cleaned up in post production.

Re:icing on the cake: (2, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046478)

It takes a broad brush to paint a neck red. Seriously, Anyone who listens to Glenn Beck gets zero respect from normal, educated Americans. The man is a traitor, a bully, and an idiot. He wants America to fail so that he can say, "I told you so." He wants you to fail so you'll blame Obama. Glenn Beck is a subhuman poo flinging primate.

Why bother? (5, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046292)

Why do you bother? You are right but why make the effort?
I swear that the people on Slashdot have pushed the art of bias to new extremes.
To answer your question. No I am not furious that the decision was legal. And no I wouldn't be upset if the other URL was found legal.
I an and would be furious that both exists and I am a little ticked that Slashdot puts it on the front page and NOT under politics which I have set to not show up on my front page of Slashdot.
Yes it is good that it is legal it is bad that idiots create such crap and that other sites then give them free PR.
BTW if you hate Glen Beck you do know this will only help him with his faithful don't you?
Just so everybody can see the results of this action and understand just how STUPID it is I will explain it to you.
Some Beck hater posts this website.
People that HATE Beck will think it is funny.
People that Love Beck will hate those that think it is funny,
Beck takes them to court and doesn't get the site taken down.
The people that HATE Beck still think it is funny.
The people that LOVE Beck will see it as proof that the courts are biased and hate them. They will become more politically active and work harder for consertives to get elected.

The result is this is preaching to the base and will do nothing but amuse one base and rally the other.
End result more polarization which is exactly what WE DON"T NEED.
For people like me that don't love or hate Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, President Obama, or NPR.
We get anoyed that we have to see this stupidity.

Of course why did I bother to make this effort since it will be unread or I will be modded down as a troll.
PS. I bet Health Care will not pass. Both parties are expert at the art of active inactivity.

Re:Why bother? (1)

nomadic (141991) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046438)

The result is this is preaching to the base and will do nothing but amuse one base and rally the other. End result more polarization which is exactly what WE DON"T NEED.

Beck's base cannot be any more polarized, or rallied. They live in a fantasyland.

its fair turn around (1, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046312)

beck/ limbaugh/ fox traffic in lies, propaganda and demagoguery. to point lies, propaganda, and demagoguery back at the crap flingers is to merely use their own tactics against them

i am not aware of michelle obama engaging in smears and vindictive hysterical FUD against people she dislikes. but of course, that doesn't stop the likes of beck and limbaugh from pointing smears and propaganda at people they dislike for ideological reasons having nothing whatsoever to do with the accusations they throw at people

that someone should point the same bullshit at them: exactly where is the hypocritical rule written that people who fling mud can't have mud flung at them?

Re:its fair turn around (3, Insightful)

schnikies79 (788746) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046448)

Two wrongs don't make a right. Be the better person and refrain from it.

Using the same tactics makes you an asshat just like the other guy.

Re:icing on the cake: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046452)

But would that be parody? The point is that Beck uses this kind of argument all the time.

DID [random notable (typically) lefty] do [something for which there's no evidence and which no one's previously accused them of]? Now, I'm not saying they have... but if not, why don't they deny it? (wink wink)

DOES [so-and-so] have a secret agenda to [whatever]? Look at these random symbols that have no bearing on what I'm talking about... does this symbolize some dark agenda? Makes you think, doesn't it?

While the details may be offensive in this instance, turning the structure of his argument back at him in a patently over-the-top manner to expose the weakness of that form of argument is the ESSENCE of parody. Your example isn't parody, as it's not relevant to anything.

... and if Michelle did gang-bang a college football team and get pregnant, more power to her.

Re:icing on the cake: (4, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046046)

If I was a public figure, yes. It's part of the price of fame, and of free speech. You like free speech, right?

I find it particularly appropriate that this happened to Glen Beck, who uses the same tactics of making people refute completely bogus accusations.

Re:icing on the cake: (1, Insightful)

SOdhner (1619761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046074)

So if someone set up a similar site in your name it, you'd rest with the decision that it was parody and legal?

Absolutely. I would look at it, decide it was parody, and take one of two actions depending on the circumstances:

1. Ignore it entirely, hoping that without any attention it will go away (and knowing that any attention I give it is still serving it)

2. Publicly laugh about it and act like a good sport (if I think people are going to see it either way) so that I'm at least seen as someone who can take a joke.

Re:icing on the cake: (2, Insightful)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046186)

I wouldn't be happy about it -- but I would be smart enough to know that the site is parody, it is entirely legal, and attempting to make it go away will only draw more attention to it. I had not heard anything of the unconfirmed rumors that Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990 until he tried to disappear it (although he STILL didn't deny the rumors -- why could that be?)

Re:icing on the cake: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046240)

You tell me. I just registered DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderWEDFanFromSlashdotIn1990.com.

Re:icing on the cake: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046260)

Depends whether I was in the public eye every day (i.e. a public figure) making analogous accusations of other people (i.e. that there was satirical value in making a similar comment). If not, then it would simply be malicious.

The problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30045890)

is that this type of *personal* attack is odious. Whether or not you agree with Beck at least he isn't resorting to this type of slime.

Re:The problem (2, Insightful)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045926)

Because Beck never does that....oh wait.

This was a parody of the Glenn Beck Style (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046090)

Glenn makes personal attacks of this very nature, so it is entirely appropriate that this was done to Beck. After all, if he didn't rape and murder a young girl, why doesn't he just prove it? Should be as easy as proving you were born in this country.

Re:This was a parody of the Glenn Beck Style (1)

megamerican (1073936) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046334)

Glenn makes personal attacks of this very nature, so it is entirely appropriate that this was done to Beck. After all, if he didn't rape and murder a young girl, why doesn't he just prove it? Should be as easy as proving you were born in this country.

They have certificates proving you didn't rape and murder someone in 1990? I seem to have misplaced mine... Uh oh.

Re:The problem (1)

shoemilk (1008173) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046222)

So what do you suggest? www.GlennBeckRanARedLightIn1990.com? The problem is that satire, in order to be effective, needs to be outlandishly extreme yet plausible. Eating babies is wrong and offensive, like the idea of Glenn Beck raping and murdering a girl in 1990.

No, Glenn Beck is worse because he gets people to believe false things do to his orating "style". Making a false statement a question, repeating it several times, then slightly denying it, is extremely dishonest and anyone who makes a living off of doing so deserves to be berated.

Also, a little history lesson for you. The site owner didn't just pull the title out of the air. It was a meme first, and the meme was based off of this clip [comedycentral.com]

Re:The problem (1)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046236)

Glenn Beck *personally* attacks people in this exact manner all the time -- this site is simply a commentary on that. It is in no way an accusation -- nobody seriously believes that Glenn Beck may or may not have raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

Re:The problem (1)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046456)

nobody seriously believes that Glenn Beck may or may not have raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

He did what? That bastard!

Who the fuck is Glenn Beck... (-1, Troll)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045908)

... and why does the first link in the summary go to very very NSFW porn?

Re:Who the fuck is Glenn Beck... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046006)

The funny thing about Glenn Beck is that the only people more idiotic than his rabid fans are his rabid anti-fans.

Re:Who the fuck is Glenn Beck... (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046198)

... and why does the first link in the summary go to very very NSFW porn?

Explain what SFW porn is, please.

Re:Who the fuck is Glenn Beck... (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046368)

... and why does the first link in the summary go to very very NSFW porn?

Explain what SFW porn is, please.

Depends where you work. I expect that if you work for the Playboy organisation, SFW porn is stuff produced by your employer, NSFW porn is that produced by competitors (unless you're in market research).

handing back the domain FAIL (1, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045916)

They should have handed the domain to someone who could have done even more with it, say AdBusters. Glenn Beck is evil and must be destroyed... not literally of course, but he must be combated intelligently (as in this example!) which is the only way to take away his power. Actually snuffing him would make him a martyr and that would be disgusting.

Re:handing back the domain FAIL (4, Funny)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046378)

It is highly debatable whether ripping off Gilbert Gottfried material can be considered at all intelligent.

Re:handing back the domain FAIL (3, Insightful)

BeansBaxter (918704) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046412)

What? Someone modded you INSIGHTFUL? Ok its slashdot but still. Glenn Beck is evil? He must be destroyed? I think your post highlights an absolute fear of free speech. And for that you are modded insightful. Yes I'm in the wrong forum when talking about freedom and yes slashdot users have a bias which ruins its credibility. I don't fault the poster as much as the modders. Just a joke. Oh and on topic glad that freedoms were up-held and I love Beck's stuff. He cracks me up and makes me think.

.. so he's not immune to his own riddicule :D (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30045920)

Proves a nice point!
good news

Has the real question been answered? (5, Funny)

Minwee (522556) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045924)

Has Glenn Beck denied having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?

If not, why not?

Re:Has the real question been answered? (2, Insightful)

thisnamestoolong (1584383) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046346)

Has Glenn Beck denied having raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?

If not, why not?

I'm not saying he did or anything, and I think he didn't, but I think that many of the readers will wonder why he has yet to deny these rumors.

Re:Has the real question been answered? (2, Funny)

Inda (580031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046402)

Being British, I have not heard of Glenn Beck. After reading the Slashdot summary, I now believe he did rape and murder a young girl in 1990. Does someone want to tell me different?

This is an attack on the teabaggers (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30045930)

I think it's pretty clear that this is an attack on the teabaggers, which have the left terrified, particularly after our huge victory in NY-23. We're going to take back this country, you see, for FREEDOM. For INDIVIDUALISM. For NO BIG GOVERNMENT.

Yea, I know that you guys call us "teabaggers" meaning it to be a pejorative, but like the term "yankee", we've made TEABAGGER our word and we now use it with PRIDE.

Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (4, Informative)

Brad Mace (624801) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046064)

particularly after our huge victory in NY-23

The one where you got a democrat elected instead of a moderate republican? Or is my satire detector off?

Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046210)

"moderate republican? "

More like Republican that was more liberal than the Dem.

Re:This is an attack on the teabaggers (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046408)

No, I think it was the one where we got a virtual unknown candidate to get within 4% of winning, even though the bitch he took out endorsed the opposing party although she was nominally running under 'republican'. If Hoffman had run an entire campaign the probability that he wouldn't have won would be slim to none.

it is petty... (-1, Troll)

gandhi_2 (1108023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045938)

to engage in such a personal attack, but it was big of the satirist to voluntarily give him the domain.

I just hope Mr. Beck makes good use of DidGlennBeckRapeAndMurderAYoungGirlIn1990.com. He could make some good adsense scrilla if he gets it today!

Re:it is petty... (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046326)

because you know Beck doesnt personally attack ANYONE with a liberal thought in him... Oh wait, he does.

Precident-setting? (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045948)

Handing back the domain after the decision strikes me as a way of setting a precident protecting such usage of a public figure's name, while gracefully ending the joke when it's done what it's supposed to. Well done.

For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (5, Informative)

YeeHaW_Jelte (451855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045972)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck [wikipedia.org]

And the allegations of rape and murder seem to be the internet equivalent of small-town gossip, which might have a seed of truth or might be an elaborate attempt by his political opponents to a smear campaign.

Any Americans care to extend the info on this controversy for all us non-Americans?

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (4, Informative)

corbettw (214229) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046126)

Beck is famous for attacking politicians (especially Obama) by "asking questions". So some internet smart asses used his own style against him. Turns out he doesn't like it when the shoe's on the other foot.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046276)

If Obama doesn't want to be criticized, maybe he should trademark his name like Beck did.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

MagicM (85041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046130)

Read the site. You'll know everything you need to know.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (4, Informative)

Trev311 (1161835) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046132)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Beck [wikipedia.org]

And the allegations of rape and murder seem to be the internet equivalent of small-town gossip, which might have a seed of truth or might be an elaborate attempt by his political opponents to a smear campaign.

Any Americans care to extend the info on this controversy for all us non-Americans?

Glen Beck is a radio talkshow host and a TV showhost on FOX News. He is very conservative and has been in the news for making some... missteps in his commentary that have made him come off as not extremely intelligent. The allegations are a parody of his style of reporting, which follows a similar logic(Example: the president hasn't denied that he was born out of the us, so if it isn't true why hasn't he?). So the point isn't to say if he actually did rape or murder anyone, but to draw attention to the flaw in his logic. Glen Beck just made it worse by drawing so much attention to the website and the entire story.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046442)

do you mean conservative or contraditoryative...he is a racist, extremist coward, he's a horrible representative of what America is all about and he is just a f*cking c*nt and should be taking off the air.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046500)

He is very conservative

Actually I think he considers himself Libertarian rather than conservative, although his leanings are conservative

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (5, Informative)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046134)

Glenn Beck, to this day, repeats the lie that Obama was born in Kenya. He asks, if he was born here, why doesn't he prove it? Obama has, of course, but Beck acts as though he hasn't. So someone decided to apply Glen Beck's own tactics against him, by forcing him to deny ridiculous allegations over and over again.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (-1, Troll)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046516)

No he doesn't. Others have done so, but he has not.

Get your facts straight.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046138)

He's a loud-mouthed right-wing pundit. The "did he rape and murder a young girl in 1990" is just what the summary says it is. It's a parody of the kind of straw man arguments he uses all the time in his shows-- "Now I don't think soandso did suchandsuch, but the troubling question is, why haven't they denied it?"

Now I don't think Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. That would be a horrible thing, and I'd hate to believe that of a pillar of the community such as Mr. Beck. And yet, the troubling question remains: did Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990? And if not, why doesn't he deny it?

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046158)

Glenn Beck is a "talking head" on Fox News which many feel leans far to the right (Republican) side.

He often uses phrases like the one posted in the snippet on the main page, "We're not accusing [NAME] of [RANDOM NEGATIVE RUMOR] — in fact, we think he didn't! But we can't help but wonder ... Why won't he deny that he [RANDOM NEGATIVE RUMOR]?"

He tries to play it off as not having an opinion while trying to manipulate a lot of the gullible people that don't know to take what he says with a grain of salt.

Beck didn't really rape and murder someone in 1990 (..or did he? he hasn't denied it yet), and someone made a satirical website showing just how ridiculous it is when Beck does that and turned it around on him.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (5, Interesting)

IICV (652597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046178)

It's a parody of what he does when he reports "news". He makes ridiculous statements, but phrases them such that when people call him on his bullshit he can say "I'm just asking questions". He'll then badger people about neither confirming or denying his "questions" - and they won't confirm or deny them because the questions are not even wrong.

That's the point of this site - it's just asking a question, did Glenn Beck rape and murder a young girl in 1990? Obviously he didn't, but why won't he confirm or deny it? That's interesting, isn't it?

The worst part is that he actually has a TV show on Fox News. If you look on YouTube, you can find some of his spiels. They're pretty horrible, and yet somehow Americans still watch him. He sounds like that crazy homeless dude on the corner, except he's wearing a suit and he's in a television studio.

(this same sort of thing was tried with Ann Coulter, because she does the same shit. Unfortunately it didn't go anywhere because people actually believed she was a transsexual.)

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046216)

As I understand it, and I am American, the site 'text' in question used the same methodology that Glen Beck used in questioning Barack Obama's place of birth. Not insinuating that Obama isn't a Natural American, but by raising the question of clarification on behalf of those who think and claim that he isn't. The website in question, merely used the same methods that Beck employs, routinely, to 'throw the mud back in his face', so to speak.

So, some 'smart guy' set up the site as intended, Beck proceeded to fight it at the WIPO, queuing a Streisand Effect, and it was appropriately 'laughed' out of court.

The roots of this whole thing, go back to a Fark.com thread several months back, which probably had something to do with Beck's absurdity to begin with. It has now become a failed Internet meme, and placed on the shelf with all the others.

p.s. if any of this is inaccurate,

/ you are now dumber for knowing this. :)

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046228)

Any Americans care to extend the info on this controversy for all us non-Americans?

While not an American (I just live here), I have heard Beck on the radio quite a bit (you can hardly miss him given that the local talk station has his show on 6 days a week*). IMHO Beck's program is so chock full of logical fallacies that you're brain would voluntarily cause an aneurism if you tried to deconstruct his "arguments". In addition pretty well any one who calls into the show and shows a modicum of intelligence but disagrees with him (or points out the error of his ways) gets cut off pretty quickly. The website in question was just turning the tables on him in a manner in which he had to respond to and couldn't duck and go to a commercial break.

* And in a bizarre set of circumstances the 6th show of the week is just a repeat of one the previous weeks shows. I assume that the station does so because it is cheap programming and they hope that no-one will notice that it isn't live

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (5, Interesting)

ZekoMal (1404259) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046248)

Basically, Glenn Beck is on Fox News as one of the many opinion guys they have. He throws out wild accusations but gets away with it by saying "I'm not saying it's true, but isn't it odd that I'm the only one asking these questions?" He's done so many crazy things (comparing Jesus to Hitler back when he was on CNN, for example). He's so batshit crazy that he makes Bill O'Reilly appear to be a sensible man. It's absolutely terrifying, moreso when you realize how many people religiously watch his show and consider it to be 100% fact.

The controversy is just someone parodying him by making a wild accusation and then covering it with a batshit crazy question.

...He also cries loudly at random intervals on his show. I highly advise you try and find some Glenn Beck vids. http://vodpod.com/watch/1409182-colbert-mocks-crazy-eyes-beck-with-doom-bunker-segment [vodpod.com] There's one off of the Colbert Report that gives you an excellent example, in fact.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046322)

re Crying .. SNL did Beck in segment on 11/7/09 and they had him down pat

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046330)

"Jesus to Hitler back when he was on CNN, for example"

Did you even listen to him on that? He makes damn good point about how people react when they are desperate and hungry. Pointing out the "differences" between Jesus and Hitler. How both were charismatic both used it for good and the other for evil.

At least I have listened to Air America and NPR.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046296)

It's not gossip, it's not true. Everyone acknowledges that it isn't true. The parody is of Mr. Beck's style of interview/oratory wherein he simply "asks questions." However, the questions themselves are framed in such a way as to cast guilt, even though he will innocently exclaim that they're "only questions" and what's the harm in questions, right?

An example: "Was President Obama born in America? I'm not saying one way or another, I'm just putting the question out there. But was he? And why doesn't he respond to me and say he was?" In this example the viewer is given doubt about President Obama's country of origin, even though Mr. Beck has only asked the question. It's ridiculous because such a thing is easily proven, and ridiculous that he can create doubt by insinuating that the President's failure to respond to a TV critic is somehow suspicious (instead of completely expected).

The author of the website (with credit to Gilbert Godfried in Bob Saget's roast) is doing the same thing. He's only asking a question, but demonstrating that even if you are only asking a question, the question itself can be harmful, which is something Mr. Beck ignores when he's on air. I would also like to reaffirm that no one seriously thinks Mr. Beck harmed anyone, the question was mimicking Gilbert Godfried's routine, and the content of the question is irrelevant to the point.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (5, Insightful)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046340)

Nobody is saying he's a rapist and a murderer, they're just pointing out that he's never denied.it. He attacked an Arab-American senator, saying that they've never gone on record stating they aren't a terrorist, and never really presented any solid proof they aren't working for Al Quaida, so basically the website is operating under the assumption that if he can give it, he can take it.

Re:For everyone who is going WTF who is Glenn Beck (1)

Anubis IV (1279820) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046454)

There isn't a real controversy: this one is fabricated, which is the whole point of the parody.

Essentially, Beck is known by one political side in the US for attacking his opponents and challenging them to refute his claims. Sometimes the claims are true, but oftentimes they're not quite true. Even so, they might be true, so he challenges his targets to refute the claims, just for the sake of clearing their name, regardless of the veracity of the claim.

Anyway, if you check the site, it points out the origin of the "raped and murdered a girl in 1990" as being the Bob Saget [comedycentral.com] roast, where Gilbret Gottfried used it as a joke. After that, someone over at Fark [fark.com] used it in reference to Beck. Essentially, it's just taking what he does a step further, but doing it for satirical effect, rather than as a serious accusation against his reputation. It's turning the tables on him with something that's intentionally over-the-top, and then asking him to refute it, just to point out the danger in what he does.

Defensive? (5, Funny)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045974)

Not only, as they say, does he refuse to deny having raped and murdered a girl in 1990, but he tries to sue to get the story buried? That does not sound like the act of an innocent man! And, time and again, Glenn Beck has declined to use his show to publicly deny, on the record, that he routinely BBQs and eats babies, saying minorities taste the best, as some reports indicate*.


*Well, just this one.

Let's take Beck out of the equation (1, Insightful)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 4 years ago | (#30045980)

Let's say its any other commentator, for example, Rachel Maddow. This doesn't seem right. The argument on here goes "Well, Glenn Beck uses the same tactics."

All the partisans on the 24 hour cable news networks use these tactics.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046078)

Except that if you said the same thing about Maddow it wouldn't be funny or satire, because she's not (afaik) so manipulative and doesn't use those tactics.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (1)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046148)

I think she does. Okay, maybe not to the same extreme, but she does.

For the record, I'm conservative, but I'm not going to go out of my way to defend Glenn Beck. As a conservative I generally find him to be embarrassing.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (1)

sammy baby (14909) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046338)

I think she does. Okay, maybe not to the same extreme, but she does.

Citation needed.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (1)

h00manist (800926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046514)

I'm not going to go out of my way to defend Glenn Beck. As a conservative I generally find him to be embarrassing.

Even conservatives THEMSELVES say *on the record* they want nothing to do with Glenn Beck and turn their back on defending him! Do his very own friends think Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990?

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (2, Interesting)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046168)

Show me one time that Rachel Maddow has forced someone to deny bogus and patently ridiculous allegations over and over again. Who else but Beck has repeated the Obama birth certificate lunacy for so long? No one.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046370)

Really? Can you show the last time Beck has requested that Obama produce his birth certificate?

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046406)

A month ago.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046466)

Wow, that's pretty specific. Good job.

Re:Let's take Beck out of the equation (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046278)

Let's say its any other commentator, for example, Rachel Maddow. This doesn't seem right. The argument on here goes "Well, Glenn Beck uses the same tactics."

All the partisans on the 24 hour cable news networks use these tactics.

That is because news does not inform, news generates profits now days. Having CNN/FOXNews/MSMBC/etc force feed people an opinion that is associated with a fact is irresponsible IMO.

Fame + Morality + Condemnation = Scandal (1)

rwv (1636355) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046024)

I recall Jerry Falwell has a similar case [wikipedia.org] and lost. When you make a living condemning HALF THE WORLD you ought to expect this sort of thing. Beck's opinions are usually heavily slanted towards big business and he frequently denigrates anybody who would try to slow down the economy with harmful regulation (sic).

His book [amazon.com] makes me laugh, as I feel that the title implies that it's a Howto guide for people to interact with him.

Random Strawman: not the same as topical eye-poke (1, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046050)

The "did he kill a girl" satire isn't as powerful as the satire Beck actually uses (about, say, the Marxist leanings of numerous Obama appointees who ... actually cite Marx, or Mao, or Chavez as heros, etc), because he trots out video tape to keep it topical. When satire - a la The Daily Show - is anchored to your target's actual utterances, foibles, gaffes, and poor judgement, it's a lot more potent.

As for the "man, I sure hope I'm wrong on this" rhetorical technique: again, it's more effective when (as Beck has humorously done), he has a yes-the-White-House-Press-Office-knows-the-phone-number hot line, right to his studio, that he begs them to call, so that they can point out how the video taped comments of some of their idiots are wrong, or not meaningful. Obviously, the Whtie House doesn't want to take the bait, because then they'll have to actually talk about those idiots directly. But you know he's getting on their nerves when they refer to his time slot (rather than him, you know, he's "he that shall not be named") as being not actual news. Which is funny, since it's not positioned as such in the first place, any more than are, say, Keith Olbermann or Diane Rehm.

Yes, it's important that we preserve the rights to be satirical snots as needed, and at whomever we think needs to be on the receiving end. So this is a good development, no matter what you think about any of the parties involved or their positions. The only scary development is the resurgent muttering, on the left, about the actually evil "fairness doctrine."

Re:Random Strawman: not the same as topical eye-po (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046474)

It could be that the people that Beck is calling out are aware of the saying along the lines of "Never never wrestle with a pig, you'll only get dirty and the pig will enjoy it". Note that I am not calling Beck a pig, but am pointing out that he has made his fortune on a radio show that is subtitled "A fusion of entertainment and enlightenment" (ie no mention of truth). This has also included a lot cases of playing hard and fast with words and taking things as far as possible without being able to back things up (IE the OBama is not an American meme) . So without seeing any of the quotes in question, if I was one of those people I would not respond to Beck for that very reason - ie they have nothing to gain and everything to lose if they enter Beck's (non level) playing field.

So, Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046146)

So, Glenn Beck raped and murdered a girl in 1990.
This is awful! Something has to be done about it!

My domains are safe! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046188)

BarackObamaHatesWhitePeople.com and ObamaEatsBabies.com are safe!

"Beck didn't see the humour" (5, Insightful)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046200)

Because there is none. Quit confounding parody and satire with humour. Both are often very unfunny (which is not to say they should not be protected: they should).

Crossing the line (0)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046320)

I'm not a fan of Glenn Beck, primarily because his commentary tends to get fairly extreme and lacks proper fact-checking.

But come on, this domain name was making the implication that someone committed truly heinous acts, not just par-for-the-course political chicanery.

Regardless of who the target was, doesn't this cross a line that shouldn't be crossed?

Anon wins again (0, Redundant)

orsty3001 (1377575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046374)

I'm glad there are a bunch of kids sitting in the basements with nothing better to do than this. If it wasn't for them, I'd be the one in my basement stirring up trouble.

Sick of the Double Standard (0, Troll)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 4 years ago | (#30046400)

I would imagine most of the comments I just read were by those who have never even seen or listened to Beck's show. Why? Because I have. Beck BACKS UP claims and does more research than most main stream media, who generally worship at the feet of the democrat party. The quotes he provides are on video and can be looked up on You-Tube. Often they are taken from the person's own speeches (and no, not out of context). It's simply rather difficult, for example, for White House officials to deny their admiration for communist dictator Mao Tse Tung [cnsnews.com], although I imagine that frosts their gonads that Beck keeps exposing their beliefs.

Calling the accusation of fictional rape of a young girl parody is ridiculous. Stooping to that level means you are simply trying to assassinate a person's character. But when it's done against a conservative, it's called parody. If it was done to a liberal, it would be defamation and slander.

And we know the left (with an agreeable media) NEVER tries to take down someone they don't like. Just like the claims of Rush Limbaugh and racism...oh wait!

Leftist double standard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30046436)

If this were a page mocking Obama's race and accentuating certain facial features, you Captain Crunch wannabes would be screaming racism and launching denial of service attacks on the site. But because Glenn is a conservative, it's ok to accuse him of this disgusting act. Glenn is exposing both political party's dirty laundry, and he is getting results. The crooked czars have come to light only because of Glenn Beck.

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