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Great White Sharks Visiting San Francisco

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the I-left-my-harp-seal-in-San-Francisco dept.

Earth 105

Ponca City, We love you writes "Juliet Eilperin writes in the Washington Post that while for years, humans have thought of great white sharks as wandering the sea at random, only occasionally venturing close to shore, it turns out we were wrong. Scientists lured 179 great white sharks to their boat with a carpet decoy designed to look like a seal, and used a lance to attach satellite tags with the aid of 2.3-inch titanium darts to track the sharks and discovered that Pacific white sharks spend months near the northern and central California coast between August and February, foraging among elephant seals, sea lions, and other prey. The sharks were spotted as far inland as the mouth of the San Francisco Bay, east of the Golden Gate Bridge. 'It shows you how wild it is off our West Coast of North America. This is Yellowstone,' says Stanford University marine sciences professor Barbara A. Block. The fact that 'a major concentration' of great whites can ignore humans 'shows us the sharks are really minding their own business. The number of interactions with people is very small, considering,' says Salvador J. Jorgensen."

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I read the article... (4, Funny)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070226)

... and there was no mention of laser beams (frickin' or otherwise), so move along now.

No lasers? (4, Funny)

Zouden (232738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070366)

This is madness!

Madness? No... this is Yellowstone

Re:No lasers? (2, Funny)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073860)

Good thing they are only visiting. American's are getting fatter and are higher in cholesterol. Having more than a couple just ruin the shark's diet.

Re:I read the article... (2, Funny)

francium de neobie (590783) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071032)

What's the difference between a laser and a frickin' laser?

Re:I read the article... (4, Insightful)

dougisfunny (1200171) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071280)

Intent, just like the difference between manslaughter and murder.

Re:I read the article... (1)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075406)

If your intent with a laser can be described by the word frickin', all I can say is... you're doing it wrong!

uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070230)

jaws?

Re:uh (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070290)

Let's see. You're using a film, produced by Hollywood, as a guide to the behaviour of a wild creature. Great move, that.

While you're at it, how about using Independence Day (ID4) as a guide to defeating an alien invasion using a Macintosh? Or The Core for a guide to plate tectonics? Or The Day After Tomorrow for a guide on global warming?

Sheesh.

As any serious diver will tell you, generally speaking, a shark sighting is a cause for excitement and anticipation, not panic. Leave them alone, and they'll generally leave you alone. Remember, kids: things make the news because they're (a) sensational, and (b) rare (which leads to the sensation.) The hype of shark attacks is nowhere near justified.

Re:uh (5, Funny)

Nighttime (231023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070770)

As any serious diver will tell you, generally speaking, a shark sighting is a cause for excitement and anticipation, not panic. Leave them alone, and they'll generally leave you alone.

Unless there's ominous cello music playing in the background.

Re:uh (1)

conspirator57 (1123519) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073064)

after all, TFA *did* say "other prey." A clear euphemism for "people." Therefore, sharks are in SF to eat people. Don't go surfing or you'll die!!!

*Imagine several pages of sensationalist hyperbole continuing here, please.*

Re:uh Eatign in San Francisco (1)

Widowwolf (779548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30078216)

But the shark just wanted to taste the rainbow!

Re:uh (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075184)

In d minor?

Re:uh (5, Informative)

tyrus568 (644456) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070802)

Not to mention the novel. Peter Benchley, the author of Jaws, has stated that he regrets the perception that his work created of great white sharks.

Apparently, he didn't really know anything about sharks back then. Did anybody, even scientists? No. Mr. Benchley has offered the opinion that he wouldn't have written the book if he had known anything near what we know today, 'at least not in good conscience.'

Peter Benchley became an ocean conservationist later in life. Unfortunately, he passed away in 2006.

According to Wikipedia, "Benchley was a member of the National Council of Environmental Defense and a spokesman for its Oceans Program: "[T]he shark in an updated Jaws could not be the villain; it would have to be written as the victim; for, worldwide, sharks are much more the oppressed than the oppressors."

Just so you know.

Re:uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30074106)

yeah, I can 2nd that based on all the Shark Fin soup I get to see in the food courts out here in Singapore.. then again, my thoughts go out to all the Chickens on this planet...

Calling sharks "oppressed"? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30075784)

Good grief. Take off that chic Che t-shirt and learn about the real world where Che was nothing more noble than Castro's brutal executioner.

Re:uh (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30081370)

Bunch of crap.

Even knwoingf wht we know now, yes, a shark could be the villain. The even mention in the book and movie that it is unusual behavior.

Bunch of people overlooking facts to support there environmental stand.

Here is one, what wouild ahppen if all the sharks were gone? They are the top of the food chain, as such they don't mater much to the rest of it.

Re:uh (4, Funny)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073908)

they'll generally leave you alone

Mike Tyson "generally" is not going to kick your ass, but you're still not going to sit next to him in the airport. Are you?

Re:uh (2, Funny)

Chris Burke (6130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075240)

Mike Tyson "generally" is not going to kick your ass, but you're still not going to sit next to him in the airport. Are you?

I might be a little nervous, but sure I'd sit next to him since I know I'd be okay if I just didn't do anything that made me look like a wounded sea lion.

Re:uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30077590)

Fuckin-A I would, hopefully he'd kick my ass and I'd sue the shit out of him.

Re:uh (1)

jason.sweet (1272826) | more than 4 years ago | (#30077736)

That's a terrible plan. He's broke and you would be cross-eyed and have to wear a diaper for the rest of your life.

Re:uh (2, Interesting)

skelly33 (891182) | more than 4 years ago | (#30078864)

As any serious California surfer will tell you, a great white in the water where you are at is bad news - "leave them alone" is no consolation to people who are out in the water and get bitten, and sometimes killed. They cannot be safely dismissed out of hand. They are wild, aggressive hunters that do not think. We all know that the whites come in to feed during the winter - that has always been the case. Shark attack incident logs alone make that clear.

Re:uh (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30081390)

Thank you.

Re:uh (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30081324)

You make a good point, but this always annoies me:
"guide to defeating an alien invasion using a Macintosh? "

Why not? They studied the technology for 50 years, one can safely presume electricity behaves the same, There isn't a reason a program can't be written to interface with the other system.

Seriously, there is no technical reason for this not to work. None at all.

"Leave them alone, and they'll generally leave you alone. "
Also, If I kill them they will leave me and everyone else alone forever.
Hate. Sharks.

"The hype of shark attacks is nowhere near justified."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw9qMZSuE9k [youtube.com]

SOmepeople say that sharks mistake us for food, thye are wrong. TO a shark we ARE food. we're just lucky we are a food the generally don't prefer.

I for one (0, Redundant)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070248)

welcome our San Francisco Bay shark overlords

Re:I for one (1)

conureman (748753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071338)

I never enjoyed swimming in the ocean, I have friends that surf, but I eschew the proximity with hungry locals. I have never felt this was an irrational fear, nor do I bother debating it with others. I rolled a kayak in Richardson Bay once, back in the seventies. That shit didn't wash off for a week. Clean Water Act FTW!

Re:I for one (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071634)

Indeed. There are few places that deserve sharks as much as San Francisco. The rest of the country applauds!

Re:I for one (1)

belgar (254293) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073630)

You know, I always knew that this shot [wordpress.com] ACTUALLY happened. This just confirms it!

misread (1)

rastos1 (601318) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070256)

Am I'm the only one that misread "foraging" as "fraging" ?

Re:misread (1)

cjfs (1253208) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070282)

Fraging amongst their prey?

Now I have an image of a shark at a lan party stuck in my head.

Re:misread (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070448)

*gasp*! LAN Shark, cleverest species of them all!

Re:misread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071212)

yes, probably.

Re:misread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30073728)

f-raging? That's crazy mad.

Re:misread (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30074344)

Since it's properly spelled "fragging [reference.com] ", I'd say you probably are.

They won't ignore humans for long. (4, Funny)

Scholasticus (567646) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070270)

[Scene: A New York apartment. Someone knocks on the door.] Woman: [not opening the door] Yes? Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Arlsburgerhhh? Woman: What? Voice: (mumbling) Mrs. Johannesburrrr? Woman: Who is it? Voice: [pause] Flowers. Woman: Flowers for whom? Voice: [long pause] Plumber, ma'am. Woman: I don't need a plumber. You're that clever shark, aren't you? Voice: [pause] Candygram. Woman: Candygram, my foot. You get out of here before I call the police. You're the shark, and you know it. Voice: Wait. I-I'm only a dolphin, ma'am. Woman: A dolphin? Well...okay. [opens door].

Re:They won't ignore humans for long. (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071890)

Since a dolphin can kick a shark's ass (by ramming its nose in its side), ...well... :)

Re:They won't ignore humans for long. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30075426)

Depends who notices whom first. Sharks often approach and prey upon dolphins from behind. It avoids pesky echolocation.

In TFA, love the first paragraph (5, Funny)

failedlogic (627314) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070280)

Love the first paragraph in TFA that points out the obvious: "For years, humans have thought of great white sharks wandering the sea at random, only occasionally venturing close to shore."

Holy shit. I always thought "For years, elephants have thought of great white sharks wandering the sea at random, only occasionally venturing close to shore."

I just learned something today. Guess I thought I knew more about elephants than people. I am sadly mistaken.

Re:In TFA, love the first paragraph (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070390)

Most journalists are of the non-human, sickle-celled variety.

Re:In TFA, love the first paragraph (1)

haifastudent (1267488) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070492)

While slashdot might be considered a human-centric website, there are in fact many visitors from all species. Most websites acknowledge them, posting measurements in metric as opposed to imperial, and specifying which species are the topic without assuming. See the How Vulnerable Is Our Power Grid? [slashdot.org] article for a similar discussion in the comments regarding slashdot's US-centric nature, or and space article for comment discussions of slashdot's Earth-centric nature.

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Re:In TFA, love the first paragraph (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071942)

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Yo dawg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070286)

I heard you liked blatant displays of homosexuality, so we put an apple section in your slashdot, so you can wear leather pants whilst you fly a rainbow flag.

you can see them from the golden gate bridge (4, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070296)

here's a typical shot of a great white in san francisco bay:

http://www.empireonline.com/features/golden-gate-bridge-in-movies/ [empireonline.com]

Re:you can see them from the golden gate bridge (2, Funny)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071350)

Ah. Next, you will claim that was what the recent bridge repair was about?

Quick... (2, Funny)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070302)

Quick... someone blame global warming!

It's to blame anytime anywhere something in the vaguest sense weird happens. WE NEVER HAD ANYTHING WEIRD HAPPEN BEFORE GLOBAL WARMING. EVER.

Call Al Gore - him staring pensively at great whites will make a great opening to Inconvenient Truth 2 - Revenge of the Evil People Who Didn't Buy Hybrids

Re:Quick... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070472)

Quick... someone try and draw climate change into this discussion for no reason whatsoever so they can whine about it.

Oh wait... too late.

Re:Quick... (1)

digitig (1056110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070894)

Quick... someone blame global warming!

Or Microsoft! This must be Microsoft's fault! Or is it the RIAA? Or the US Patent Office? Damn, so many villans!

What do you call a shark on the move? (1, Funny)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070326)

A lawyer who chases ambulances?

Jawns (4, Funny)

Fotograf (1515543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070370)

boring...

Obligatory XKCD reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070384)

And here I thought they were visiting using balloons...

http://xkcd.com/585/

really?? (2, Interesting)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070464)

It's always been common knowledge that great whites come in close to shore, after all their food source lives on the beach. The summary and TFA make it sound like some great revilation that sharks go where their prey goes.... hell here in australia there's a few attacks each year.

Re:really?? (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071374)

I was just thinking about Australia's issue. If CA has a large number as well, I wonder Aussies are getting munch so much more? Greater number of sharks, shortage of food supply, or are the sharks down under simply more aggressive?

Re:really?? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072878)

...or are the sharks down under simply more aggressive?"

I would guess we have a lot more pointers than CA just because of the scale of their territory and the abundance of prey down here, but not all attacks are white pointers, mako sharks and the now rare grey nurse shark (amoung others) are also known to attack people.

For once I agree witb timmarthy (the GP), it's common knowledge in Australia that swimming/surfing anywhere near a seal colony is tempting fate (especially near dusk or dawn).

Oz Trivia: "White pointers" is a euphemisim for topless bathers.

Re:really?? (1)

Alpha830RulZ (939527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073340)

I was just thinking about Australia's issue. If CA has a large number as well, I wonder Aussies are getting munch so much more?

More people in the water due to the water being warmer?

Re:really?? (1)

Macrat (638047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30074634)

Americans are fatter. So a meal lasts much longer than a skinny Aussie.

Re:really?? (1)

Matt_R (23461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30082134)

I was just thinking about Australia's issue. If CA has a large number as well, I wonder Aussies are getting munch so much more? Greater number of sharks, shortage of food supply, or are the sharks down under simply more aggressive?

Well we do have a larger coastline than CA :) And down here, we have sharks eating other sharks.

Shark C-Section [sky.com]

10-ft shark eaten by even bigger shark [telegraph.co.uk]

Re:really?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071690)

It's always been common knowledge that great whites come in close to shore, after all their food source lives on the beach.

What - do sharks eat queers and illegal aliens?

EFF SHARK ATTACK! (1)

Antiocheian (859870) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070474)

I am not afraid of Great White Sharks, but I am very afraid (after reading Dan Brown) of the EFF Sharks [vietnamcayda.com] !

The sharks are developing a sweet tooth (1)

bmecoli (963615) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070522)

They are hungry for Twinkies. :o

And this is news...how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070552)

There are occasional sightings while surfing up and down the central coast. They are there. Sometimes you can see them, sometimes you can't. In fact, one such surfer had his board snapped in half just last week down in Santa Cruz: http://www.surfline.com/video/featured-clips/eric-geiselmans-shark-encounter_32974

Plus given the warmer waters this summer and the abundance of sea lions (food!) I would expect that there will be some good feeding this year for the Landlords.

Awesome (1)

spyder-implee (864295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070598)

Such beautiful creatures. Although I'm glad not to see them in the bay here in Melbourne.

Ignore humans? (4, Informative)

SvnLyrBrto (62138) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070776)

Relatively few humans are crazy enough to swim near the Golden Gates in the first place. There's a reason Alcatraz was such a secure prison, despite being a fairly short swim away from San Francisco; and it has nothing to do with sharks. Hypothermia, fast tides and currents, a rocky coastline, and a major shipping channel are not very conducive to happyfunbeachday.

Re:Ignore humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071028)

Are there many surfers near the Golden Gate bridge? Sharks really like the seal likenesses people use to ride the waves and the wind with. Dr. Jim Gray, the famous computer scientist died recently (2007) near these waters. We can only speculate the actual events now, but the presence of the hunting great whites makes one thinking of the possibilities, like a collision with the 40 ft ship.

Re:Ignore humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071060)

Guess he needed a bigger boat.

Re:Ignore humans? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071252)

Plus, Great Whites hate the smell of B.O. and patchouli.

Re:Ignore humans? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071676)

Relatively few humans are crazy enough to swim near the Golden Gates in the first place.

Maybe not directly under the Golden Gate, but you don't have to go very far to still be in sight of the bridge and find a beach and/or a place where people surf.

It's not like a shark can't travel distance or anything. So, maybe a 5 minute cruise for a shark, and there's people there.

I think what's more relevant here is that there's a lot of sharks in very close proximity to where people actually go. A lot more sharks (and a lot more often) than people had previously realized.

Cheers

Re:Ignore humans? (1)

MooseTick (895855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073202)

I was there in teh summer touring the bay in a boat and it was freezing. Still, there were dozens of people wind surfing around and under the Golden Gate. I don't know how they didn't freeze, but I wonder if they were aware of the shark population under them.

Re:Ignore humans? (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073794)

I was there in teh summer touring the bay in a boat and it was freezing. Still, there were dozens of people wind surfing around and under the Golden Gate. I don't know how they didn't freeze, but I wonder if they were aware of the shark population under them.

'Freezing' is a word that is pretty elastic depending on where the person using the word is from. Coming from a place with real actual winters (Canada, eh), I've found that a lot of people who say "freezing" have never actually encountered real temperatures where water would freeze in the ambient air temperature.

I was in northern Arizona once in February. To me, it was a balmy temperature way above what I'd left at home. To the people from Florida, it was "freezing". The tour guide had warned me I'd need a jacked since it could get "pretty cold" up near the Grand Canyon. When I asked him for a definition of "pretty cold", he said "oh, as low as 60" -- I laughed at him and said I was Canadian and that was t-shirt weather. :-P

I suspect the (wind) surfers might also be wearing wet-suits, which go a long way to keeping warm. I've known people who surfed in Nova Scotia in November. That is freezing.

Cheers

They do it every day! (1)

BancBoy (578080) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075120)

Relatively few humans are crazy enough to swim near the Golden Gates in the first place.

Maybe not directly under the Golden Gate, but you don't have to go very far to still be in sight of the bridge and find a beach and/or a place where people surf.

It's not like a shark can't travel distance or anything. So, maybe a 5 minute cruise for a shark, and there's people there.

I think what's more relevant here is that there's a lot of sharks in very close proximity to where people actually go. A lot more sharks (and a lot more often) than people had previously realized.

Cheers

Try searching YouTube for "surfing Fort Point."
I've seen people surfing directly under the Golden Gate (singular, for the benefit of the GP) for decades. And as the parent points out, there are several beaches very close to the mouth of the Gate. Additionally, the summary mentioned Great Whites coming east of the Golden Gate Bridge. That's inside the bay, right where those surfers and the aforementioned beaches are located.

Re:They do it every day! (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075342)

Try searching YouTube for "surfing Fort Point."

Yeah, shortly after I posted that I googled for "san francisco surfing" and found this [jmg-galleries.com] , which clearly shows someone surfing with the Golden Gate in the background.

People definitely swim and surf relatively close to that area, despite the assertion that humans don't generally do that.

Cheers

Re:Ignore humans? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30074618)

Ahhh, that's something they told to scare the inmates. You've heard of this, right? http://www.escapefromalcatraztriathlon.com/Race_Info/course.htm

Maybe you haven't, not a lot of people outside of the Bay Area have.

I've done it. We were literally a few hundred feet from the shore of Alcatraz island. Also, we took the long way to make sure it was 1.5 miles, but you could easily swim North or due South for a much shorter swim.

Tag (2, Funny)

Spacezilla (972723) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070790)

Scientists lured 179 great white sharks to their boat

What, no "youregonnaneedabiggerboat" tag? I'm disappointed in you, slashdot. :(

Obligatory xkcd quote (1)

Alif (705217) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070898)

Forget "Shark Watching" tour cruises . . . (3, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070976)

Go "Shark Darting" instead!

You get to peg sharks with 2.3 inch titanium darts!

It's not a good idea to take a quick dip in the water off the boat, though. I think sharks are smart enough to figure out who threw those painful titanium darts sticking out of their backs.

Re:Forget "Shark Watching" tour cruises . . . (2, Funny)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071228)

I think sharks are smart enough to figure out who threw those painful titanium darts sticking out of their backs.

I am pretty sure, sharks' behavior toward tasty meat-filled creatures in front of them is not predicated on recognizing those creatures as related to other events in those sharks' lives.

Also
i'm a shark!!! i'm a SHAAAARK!
suck my titanium daaaart!! I'M A SHAAARK!!

Oblig. XKCD (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071236)

It's all part of scientific outreach: http://xkcd.com/585/

Re:Oblig. XKCD (1)

DanielG42 (906032) | more than 4 years ago | (#30074160)

It's all part of scientific outreach: http://xkcd.com/585/ [xkcd.com]

Is it bad that I knew what XKCD you linked to, based on the topic? :D

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Greg Norman (1)

bakes (87194) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071380)

So what? Greg Norman has played golf everywhere, it's no big deal.

This just in... (2, Funny)

FatdogHaiku (978357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071538)

In related news, Scientists on the same ship studying shark communication have made a major breakthrough when they repeatedly translated a consistently repeated series of noises from the tagged sharks to mean:
"Grab your pointy sticks and climb on down here into the water with us you air breathing little assholes!"

If only... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071692)

we could get people to start minding their own business

Great White migration not that surprising (3, Informative)

hywel_ap_ieuan (892599) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071742)

Actually shark researchers have been observing Great Whites returning to the Farallon Islands about 35 miles west of the Golden Gate for over 20 years. This website [sharkresea...mittee.com] doesn't talk about migration and return, but Susan Casey's book The Devil's Teeth does discuss how the researchers on the island saw many of the same sharks returning year after year.

The surprising things in the research (as opposed to the article) are the genetic distinction of the Hawaii-California sharks versus sharks in the Western Pacific, and to a lesser extent the fact that sharks habitually come close to shore but rarely interact with humans.

So what? (2, Funny)

dvh.tosomja (1235032) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072314)

We need a bigger boat.

All they had to do (1)

JumpDrive (1437895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072500)

Was ask albacore fisherman on the West Coast if they had seen any White Sharks.
Or asked some West coast divers.
But I guess that wouldn't have been as scientific.

How God Damned stupid are these people (1)

OneSmartFellow (716217) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073238)

Of course it would have been too easy to ask the locals near Stinson Beach, or Dillon Beach.

Re:How God Damned stupid are these people (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30081824)

Anecdote is not DATA, you morons.

A classmate of my sister (3, Interesting)

Alpha830RulZ (939527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30073302)

Several years back, an acquaintance of my sister was sea kayaking off of Northern California with her boy friend. They came up missing. They found one of them, I forget which, drifting, dead of blood loss, in the two kayaks which were lashed together. The one they found was missing large chunks of body. The other person was never found. While the sharks seem to mind their own business most of the time, the few exceptions are killers.

Re:A classmate of my sister (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 4 years ago | (#30074710)

Are you sure that wasn't attributed to the State Government?

Re:A classmate of my sister (3, Interesting)

hondo77 (324058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30074734)

By "several" I think you mean "twenty" [listphile.com] and by "Northern California" I think you mean "Malibu".

Re:A classmate of my sister (1)

Alpha830RulZ (939527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30076420)

Thanks, that looks like it might be the one. The story my sister told differs in some significant respects, which could just be the usual game of Telephone.

Re:A classmate of my sister (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30077752)

Ya, because she didn't know the people, she had just heard the story like lots of other people.

I love how people tell old stories as if they know who it happened to, I once had a friend tell me a story that happened to ME, which I told HIM, many many years ago. Sword it happened to him though. lol, fuckin idiots.

Rubbish (1)

imtheguru (625011) | more than 4 years ago | (#30078356)

While the sharks seem to mind their own business most of the time, the few exceptions are killers.

"Since 1580, when records began, the total number of attacks on humans by sharks has been logged at about 2,200 only. This is equivalent to just 5% of the number of Americans injured by toilets in the year 1996." --Stephen Fry on QI

Validate the number yourself by looking though the records of the The International Shark Attack File (ISAF). The ISAF is a global database of shark attacks.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Shark_Attack_File]

California surfers have known this all along (2, Interesting)

al0ha (1262684) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075446)

The large shadows I've seen and strange unaccounted for splashing noises I've heard over the years, while out in winter surf, which sparked spooky feelings, are definitely something; and something big. Sometimes they are dolphins, but other times, when you don't see a dolphin, man does the hair stand up on the back of your neck....

About 280 miles north of SF.. (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30075632)

Here in Humboldt Bay, we've got plenty of great whites as well.

My family likes to fish shark once in a while. When I was a kid my dad and his friend pulled up a great white that was longer than his 14 foot aluminum boat!

You also hear about shark attacks from great whites at Moonstone Beach (about 20 miles north).
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I've never thought that the sharks are wandering out in the wide open. Put it this way, the sea lions and seals they eat are at the mouths of rivers (and in the bay) because of the fish spawn. The sharks should be found where their food is.

Re:About 280 miles north of SF.. (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30076626)

I've never thought that the sharks are wandering out in the wide open. Put it this way, the sea lions and seals they eat are at the mouths of rivers (and in the bay) because of the fish spawn. The sharks should be found where their food is.

The sharks do range over several thousands of miles during the year. From California to Hawaii is pretty much as "out in the wide open" as you can get. I suspect they're mostly just passing through the open water bits, but a large shark will have no problem ranging over vast distances.

Cheers

Who. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30081192)

"humans have thought of great white sharks as wandering the sea at random,"

You must mean humans that don't live near a coast.

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