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Hollywood Backs Swedish Movie Streaming Site

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the take-a-peek dept.

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paulraps writes "Forget Spotify and Skype: the latest strangely-named-but-hey-it's-free service from Sweden offers users streamed on-demand movies free of charge, has deals with two major Hollywood studios, and is called Voddler. Since its launch two weeks ago, the service has signed up a quarter of a million users and has almost the same number queuing for an invitation. After signing deals with Disney and Paramount, the company provides access to thousands of films, which are shown uninterrupted after a barrage of ads. The target is the file-sharing generation: 'Our customers can be sure that Voddler is totally legal, secure, and that there are no risks of computer viruses infecting their machines from downloaded files,' says executive vice president Zoran Slavic."

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Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (-1, Troll)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070780)

Here's what happens when you access their site.

First you are presented with a very sparse page with a couple areas you can put your name and email address to "register".

Next, if you are so inclined, you enter your email address and name.

Then it says "Thanks for your interest in Voddler!"

Then you receive an email informing you that actually you didn't actually register since the site isn't actually open yet.

Thank you for showing an interest in Voddler!
A beta version of Voddler is currently out and we will not add new members at this stage.

But have patience, the official Voddler will soon be released and your name and email will be saved until then. An invitation will find its way to your inbox when the time is right.

I suppose it was a good idea to use a throwaway account for this.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

ChowRiit (939581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070808)

It asks you for your name and email address, then will send you an invitation when the beta ends. Unless you mistook "email address" for "bank details", that hardly qualifies as phishing in my book.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (-1, Troll)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070946)

It asks you for your name and email address, then will send you an invitation when the beta ends. Unless you mistook "email address" for "bank details", that hardly qualifies as phishing in my book.

Tell me that after you start receiving hundreds of viagra adds because teh Voddlers sold your email and address to Muhamad.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

Rig0r (1677040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070812)

Well, they do already need names for the companies that sponsor this concept...

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070820)

Here's what happens when you access their site.

First you are presented with a very sparse page with a couple areas you can put your name and email address to "register".

Next, if you are so inclined, you enter your email address and name.

Then it says "Thanks for your interest in Voddler!"

Then you receive an email informing you that actually you didn't actually register since the site isn't actually open yet.

Thank you for showing an interest in Voddler!
A beta version of Voddler is currently out and we will not add new members at this stage.

But have patience, the official Voddler will soon be released and your name and email will be saved until then. An invitation will find its way to your inbox when the time is right.

I suppose it was a good idea to use a throwaway account for this.

You're an idiot. This is not a phising site, this is a completely legit site, and those who are with the ISP "Bredbandsbolaget" can already use the service. It's the same type of business model that spotify uses. And frankly, if you ever get your fat ass out of the US you'll see how many services aren't available for the rest of us. Not everything comes instantly, jackass.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070960)

Wow, this AC should really take a break. The GP is making a valid point security wise.

I myself made the same mistake of going directly and signing up. Of course I got the same email and it means that until the guys show me a real product, they have my name/email to sell it to whoever wants.

And the AC answering with "you're an idiot' and "jackass" is informative... that is more of a flamebait I think...

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071030)

Well he is also calling it a phishing site, which is just to troll and throw this articles comments offtopic. Even the summary notes that theres tons of people waiting for invitation, so its kind of stupid to think you're just gonna get account like that from their main site.

But interesting note from About Voddler site is "Finally an alternative to illegal downloading is available on the Swedish market.", which makes me think if Voddler is available elsewhere too (atleast nordic and european countries like Spotify has). It might even be that this is specifically developed for Swedish market (at least first), since so large percent of people, specially young, pirate movies and music.

That being said, if this anything close to "Spotify for Movies" I'm really interested. It's been an year that I've used only Spotify for my music listening and it's even more convenience than downloading mp3's and everyone I know is the same thing. Been a premium member for months too.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (5, Insightful)

MadJo (674225) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071084)

Welcome to the rest of the world.
It's often that us non US-people only get a sparse page with a few fields to enter your data in, only to find out that the service you thought you were registering for doesn't work yet in your country.

Call it phishing if you like, but it's par for the course. It's just that you US-ians don't notice it as often.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (5, Funny)

castironpigeon (1056188) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071336)

Welcome to the rest of the world.

What is this rest of the world you speak of? Do you mean Mexico and Canada? Is Sweden a Canadian state? I think I've heard of those places. Do they get the internet there?

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (0, Offtopic)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071452)

Welcome to the rest of the world.
It's often that us non US-people only get a sparse page with a few fields to enter your data in, only to find out that the service you thought you were registering for doesn't work yet in your country.

Call it phishing if you like, but it's par for the course. It's just that you US-ians don't notice it as often.

LOL

By your definition, I have been living in "the rest of the world" all my life, As Germany, UK and Mexico are not part of the USA.

Hey, you may call me a beaner, alien, expat but a gringo? *that* I won't tolerate :P

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

Yamata no Orochi (1626135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072136)

Cool useless anecdote, bro.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (5, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071130)

And the AC answering with "you're an idiot' and "jackass" is informative... that is more of a flamebait I think...

It's not an insult to say a dead man is dead.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (2, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071470)

And it is also not an insult to say that a jewish persn is "Jew"... it all depends in how you say it.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070968)

lol @ americans not having "first and/or only access" for once :p

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071142)

Hollywood Back Swedish Movie Streaming Site

But how many Ingmar Bergman films can anyone watch?

Phishing? (and where is your analogy?) (1)

tpgp (48001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070850)

HTF is that phishing? Wikipedia sez:

phishing is the criminally fraudulent process of attempting to acquire sensitive information such as usernames, passwords and credit card details by masquerading as a trustworthy entity

And no analogy in your comment. Perhaps consider renaming yourself to inane first post guy?

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070876)

It is not phishing.

I got an invitation via my ISP Bredbandsbolaget.

Voddler works fine, but has currenly only budget movies to show. But that will change now with the Hollywood deals :).

It also works as advertised; see a few commercials (time to pop the popcorn), and the movie is played without interruption... as long as your network connection is ok :-).

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071150)

Voddler works fine, but has currenly only budget movies to show.

What, you thought Hollywood would back a streaming site that showed first run blockbusters?

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070904)

BAG, please go and live with fellow Jobs-worth jcr and never post to /. again, instead telling all you have to say to each other. You and he crossed the line between potentially chronic troll and just plain stupid many moons ago, and you reflect badly on the uniform you wear.

No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (-1, Troll)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070908)

"The nature of our business is both IT and media related and we are developing software solutions based on the Microsoft platform. "

No news here. It's just the RIAA / MPAA getting a free slashvertisement for their buddy, bill.
If you want video, go to the video bay [thevideobay.org] . If you want the net locked down in proprietary, DRM'd formats, go to viddler, vaudler, or whatever it was called. If you want to send a big F-U to European and American business, then go to viddler, vaudler, or whatever it was called. If you want to give a boost to European and American business, then go video bay [thevideobay.org] or any other site specializing in open technology.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (2, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071052)

How exactly pirating movies will boost business?

I know there's lots of people on slashdot who like to justify their pirating with all these "open", "bad bad record labels" etc bullshit, but truth is that people just want stuff for free and conveniently. As surprising it is after all the years of fighting from industry, it was really surprising that Spotify actually offers legit service that is a lot better than downloading warez. And with both free and paid, all-you-can-eat models. Spotify really changed things around here in Europe - it brought lots of people that download mp3's or send them between friends to a legit service.

And I love it.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (2, Insightful)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071068)

Free isn't the big issue. Convenient is.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (2, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071114)

Yeah I agree on that tho. I buy pretty much all games from Steam too because its just so much more convenient than walking to store, and comes with extra features like friends lists, community stuff and the ability to always download the game again when you need to.

Free model is a plus in this.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071154)

I have no interest in pirating. I am willing to pay for movies. I do know it takes money to make them.

However, if the movie industry has already counted me out of their market, then how is it that downloading the movie from a pirate location results in any loss of money on their part for my one download? Sure, I do know that there are people that are actually in the movie industry's target market who are trying to cheat the system and not pay, by using such piracy places. But do NOT assume that everyone is in the movie industry's target market (e.g. Windows users, and maybe Mac users). The rest of us (BSD users, Linux users, Solaris users, etc.) are not and the movie industry has made it very clear they don't want our money.

The same applies to people in other countries. If a service is NOT available in a given country, even if by another company or under another name, then this is AGAIN a case of the industry making it clear they do not want the money from a given market. if the content industry wants to make contracts specific by country, then THEY need to get those services running and functional in each and every country they want the market money from, and not act like cry babies about lost revenues from countries they didn't try to get those revenues from.

And this goes for the music industry, too. And that includes Spotify.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071844)

No,

Most business's just want an assurance that a 24 hour rental will only be a 24 hour rental. Blockbuster can make you return the movie, but how do you return streamed bits? DRM is their only way to ensure that you aren't going to rape them and are going to comply with the agreement.

Hell there was an asshat above asking to be woken when the client got hacked and movies could be saved to his hdd. I cant imagine why Hollywood would bother writing a client for a platform where the vast majority of users are either going to try and break the DRM because it's "morally wrong" or something or break the DRM because they dont want to pay. No I think their target market are the people that dont try and screw them.

There IS a third way (2, Interesting)

zogger (617870) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071640)

Between pirating and DRMed adware delivery. How about these digital content guys try to sell their stuff at some low price that reflects the reality that making digital copies is incredibly cheap, that we have had bona fide tech advances that make this possible, rather than sticking to now ancient history "per unit" pricing models? Instead of a buck for a song, how about a buck for a download movie and five cents for a song? Something like that. Figure out what bandwith costs them, double that, and offer their stuff legitimately at that price.

People really started pirating about the same time it became apparent to just about everyone that any legitimate way to get content was blatant price gouging. People looked at plastic disks and went "hey, how come I can make a copy with my home equipment for 25 cents, yet these big places with even better equipment, who can do it cheaper at wholesale rates, want 25 bucks for a copy"? And when it comes to pure downloads, it was worse than that.

What these big content guys kept trying was "digital prohibition", if I can use this analogy, just like the government tried with booze and failed at, and that is just never going to work. The black market moonshiner rates and "home brewed" and "bath tub gin" methods just routed around obvious market inefficiencies and stupid laws.

The ad method won't work for them in the long run, people will figure out how to skip the ads, or just ignore them. Just offer the product way cheap with at least some profit in there (that's why I like a clean "double the bandwith costs and no more" method, easy to figure out and still a cheap price), and try volume sales instead. There are potentially six BILLION customers out there who ARE willing to buy things if the price is right and not blatant price gouging.

Re:No news here, RIAA peddles M$ (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071178)

"The nature of our business is both IT and media related and we are developing software solutions based on the Microsoft platform. "

"The nature of our business is to ignore all the users that use BSD, Linux, or Solaris, because we don't want their money. We only care about Windows users (and maybe some day, Mac users)."

There, fixed it for ... them. And yea, I took that "solutions" buzzword out to help them not look so much like a bunch of clueless pinheads.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070924)

This is why god invented yahoo email.

Re:Um.. Can someone tag this "phishing"? (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070936)

It's not phishing, you're added to the queue. But it's a pretty long queue.

Free movies (1)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070840)

The "free" movies from Comcast on-demand suck and I would imagine those costs are somehow worked into your Comcast bill. I can't imagine free movies would be that great if they are only ad supported. Hollywood wouldn't give the rights to any movie actually worth seeing unless you pay the expensive royalties.

I'm a beta tester of voddler (5, Informative)

Xerfas (1625945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070846)

I have been using voddler as a beta tester for a few weeks now and it works quite ok after the last client upgrade. The first mac client was crap, nothing happened when I tried to login and it went fullscreen mode when started plus the program froze so I had to shut down the computer with forced shut down. After the latest client version I was logged in when I started the program, Voddler client is built on XBMC Media Center and you can only use the keyboard to navigate which can be quite annoying when navigating.
Browsing the few movies they have at the moment is fairly easy (only about 500 movies or so). First I get a commercial and then the movie plays nicely on just 10-12Mbit adsl line. I have heard that there was commercial breaks in the movies, but I haven't seen any commercial in a movie so far, just the commercial just before the movie starts which can be 10 minutes long or so.
For a beta I think it's a nice product which works quite well for me. Especially since the last update on the client which allows you to go into windowed mode which I forgot to mention further up in my text.
I believe that Voddler can be great once the new movies pop in and the beta goes into full product. The client has only crashed on me once and when I started it up again and found my movie I was looking at I could start where it ended.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070940)

I have been using voddler as a beta tester for a few weeks now and it works quite ok after the last client upgrade.

Be sure to let us know when the client gets hacked and the streaming movies can be saved to your HD.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070984)

authentic question:

Why would you like to save to disk a movie you are already streaming?

If you want to download the movie to see later,see it in another place or whatnot just use bittorrent. That is faster! and equally "right".

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (1)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071342)

Authentic answers:

because my ISP might traffic shape the crap out of my connection when i go over some arbitary limit and I might get interrupted by a phone call or the cat being sick on the sofa so it would be an advantage to have a cache of the movie.

because using bittorrent may be construed as supporting terrorism/CP by some stupid/evil/corrupt organisation I cannot afford to argue against in court.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (2, Interesting)

Xerfas (1625945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070988)

It was hacked a while ago so you could do just that plus it removed the commercials. But it was noticed quite fast, because it disrupted the service so they had to close down for 2-3 days to fix it and thus released a new client which you needed to download and install so you could continue watching movies.
That hole is plugged, but there could be more which hasn't been discovered yet.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071144)

Be sure to let us know when the client gets hacked and the streaming movies can be saved to your HD.

It's easier and faster by going to The Pirate Bay. That also doesn't require registration.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (2)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071092)

It requires their own client? Wow, that was brave of you. Does the Linux version come in both 32 bit and 64 bit versions? If I would have to run THEIR client, I'd want to do so ONLY on a SAFE computer (that rules out all of Windows and I don't have a Mac).

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (2, Informative)

Xerfas (1625945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071158)

Yes, it does require their own version of XBMC client. Here are the technical requirements:

Technical requirements for Voddler.

> A computer with a minimum of 1000 megahertz (MHz) or higher, memory 512 MB and 13 GB available space on your hard drive.
> Operating system of Windows Vista or Windows XP. In time for the official release, Voddler will also be available on Mac.
> Internet connection of a minimum of 2,5Mbit.
> UPnP enabled router or an open Internet connection
> 3G mobile broadband is NOT supported at this stage.
> Voddler recommends an ATI/AMD, Intel, or NVIDIA graphics controller that supports OpenGL 2.0 to fully experience the slick Voddler graphical interface. Please also make sure you have the latest graphics device drivers installed on your system.
> ATI Radeon R420 (X800) or newer supported, ATI Radeon R700 (HD 4000) or newer recommended.
> Intel GMA 950 (945G) or newer supported, Intel GMA X4500HD (G45) or newer recommended.
> NVIDIA GeForce 6-Series and newer supported, GeForce 8-Series and newer recommended.

They haven't updated the FAQ or requirements about support of Mac yet. Linux is not supported, not sure if it runs in Wine though.
What scares me is that you need to have UPnP fully opened for all incoming calls in your router/firewall.

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071164)

Cancel your internet subscription, put on your tinfoil-hat and from now on only use VHS-tapes. Safety first!!

Re:I'm a beta tester of voddler (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071220)

ONLY on a SAFE computer? My god MAN, get off the internet NOW!

Re: forced shutdown (1)

An anonymous Frank (559486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071216)

I believe that [Command-Option-Esc] will get you a "kill task" dialog most of the time, even when a program has taken the Mac hostage in full-screen.

Re: forced shutdown (1)

Xerfas (1625945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071270)

That is correct, but in my case it did not work. I don't know if it was because it was trying to connect at the same time as it froze that made it so [Command-Option-Esc] didn't work. I could be completely wrong, but I have noticed that programs which connect to the net and freeze up while doing so on a Mac can be hard to kill at times. Firefox with lots of plugins does this from time to time so that a kill -p pid in terminal wont work. Could just be my imagination though. And it has only happened once so far and that was on the first Mac client.
It's a beta so I should have seen it coming.

Re: forced shutdown (1)

An anonymous Frank (559486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071756)

That's an interesting point, the one about network connections taking their toll; one sure way to make my Mac unresponsive is to pull the plug while I'm trying to browse a network share!

Interesting story (0, Offtopic)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070848)

There is a story further down the page: http://www.thelocal.se/23202/20091111/ [thelocal.se]

A Swede was caught and fined for speeding on the autobahn.

As Americans, we sometimes willfully ignore facts, as most Americans believe the Autobahn to be this magical road where speed limits don't exist and every can drive as fast as they want.

Our perspective is very narrow and insular, and that is one of our greatest weaknesses. Our willingness to quickly grab ahold of any negative story about China, Iran, or other "enemy" of ours is precisely the result of this lack of perspective.

So when we see a new site that is offering up movies for free, we are quick to cheer. We are quick to glom on to any sort of thing that we find even somewhat pleasing without fully understanding all the consequences. How will the movie companies make money from this type of site? Who is actually paying for the movies you see?

Yes, the commercials are played before the movie now, but as that becomes unprofitable where are they going to start putting them? What are we going to lose down the road?

We all want free access to premium content. Is the price worth it?

Re:Interesting story (3, Informative)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070856)

A Swede was caught and fined for speeding on the autobahn.

As Americans, we sometimes willfully ignore facts, as most Americans believe the Autobahn to be this magical road where speed limits don't exist and every can drive as fast as they want.

They are. Just not ALL of them...

Re:Interesting story (1)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071438)

Correction: most autobahns (or all of them?) have stretches without speed limits, but all of them have stretches with speed limits, usually near exits or service areas, and in areas where high winds are expected, such as bridges.

Not to mention that Germans are very fond of performing construction and maintenance on the autobahns, where the speed limit is usually low (~80km/h). I think this is where the swede exceeded the speed limit so much that it warranted the 2000€ fine.

Re:Interesting story (5, Informative)

Xerfas (1625945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070860)

There are plans once the service is for everyone which allows you to get rid of commercials. From voddlers FAQ:

Do I need to pay for Voddler? You will have the choice of advertised movies and pay per view. In the beta version only advertised movies are available.

Re:Interesting story (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071026)

I'm sorry, but your post was almost indecipherable gibberish.

First you say something about Americans being too insular, then you try to segue into commenting on the site's business model. These things have nothing to do with each other.

>We are quick to glom on to any sort of thing that we find even somewhat pleasing without fully understanding all the consequences. How will the movie companies make money from this type of site? Who is actually paying for the movies you see?

Why should I care? There is no conceivable way that they can get money from me unless I give them a credit card number - and I really hope you're not stupid enough to give them a credit card number. If their business plan works, it works. If it fails, it fails. I have no money invested in their stock, so why should I care who's paying?

>Yes, the commercials are played before the movie now, but as that becomes unprofitable where are they going to start putting them?

The answer to this question, which you seem to think is so deep, is: "If they aren't profitable they will either attempt to make more money by putting commercials in the middle of the movie, which TV networks have done for decades, or they will go out of business." Either of these options harms me not at all.

>We all want free access to premium content. Is the price worth it?

You haven't made any argument for what the price is. What *do* you imagine the cost is? So far you've just rambled on in a vague way about how this business plan will be vaguely bad for us...somehow.

Re:Interesting story (1)

UnHolier than ever (803328) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071488)

I'm sorry, but your post was almost indecipherable gibberish.

First you say something about Americans being too insular, then you try to segue into commenting on the site's business model. These things have nothing to do with each other.

Mr BadAnalogyGuy,

Please do not log off to comment on your own posts as AC to point out how bad your analogy was. It's as obnoxious as an frenchman in Texas.

Anyone skim the summary and read (4, Informative)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070852)

uninterrupted barrage of ads

Why, oh why do they insist on this selling point of "no risks of computer viruses".
I'm always concerned that "legitimate" sources will contain a dodgy driver or a rootkit. No such concerns with the latest aXXo rip.

Re:Anyone skim the summary and read (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070934)

They need to create a false sense of security. Like every other organization / state.

Re:Anyone skim the summary and read (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071432)

I'm always concerned that "legitimate" sources will contain a dodgy driver or a rootkit.

A poster later on in this thread says that Voddler (the mac client, at least) continuously uploads to other users, even when you're not actively downloading, and the only way to stop it is to uninstall it. I'd consider a bittorrent client that acted this way as at least partly malicious.

Disappointing movie selection (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30070870)

I find the movie selection on Voddler quite disappointing.

  When the fine article said "Swedish movie site", I was expecting something entirely different. As any movie buff knows, a true Swedish movie always ends with the single word "SLUT" and you all know there is a good reason for it.

At the very least I was expecting previosly unreleased footage of the Swedish Bikini team, and I was hoping for quite a few sluts.

xenu.net

barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (5, Insightful)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070944)

One of the reasons I stopped going to theaters to watch movies was that after I paid to get in, I was sitting through commercials (not just trailers, but commercials). I decided that I might as well stay home and wait for the movies on non-premium cable.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070966)

One of the reasons I stopped going to theaters to watch movies was that after I paid to get in, I was sitting through commercials (not just trailers, but commercials). I decided that I might as well stay home and wait for the movies on non-premium cable.

Same here. The funny thing is they blame piracy for their own failure.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071082)

Well thats probably the case if you go to movies to only watch a movie. I never do just that, but it's nice to sometimes go out with a girlfriend and on the way or after go eat at a restaurant too. In that case the ads dont really bother that much. But if I just want to watch a movie, yeah I rather do it home from my more comfortable bed naked drinking beer.

Same here. The ads are "quality time" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071100)

I actually like having a few minutes of "quality time" with my girlfriend during the ads. We call it our pre-movie buffet.

The ads are usually just long enough to allow me to get down between her legs and pull her panties down, slide my hand up the inside of her thighs and feel her moist with anticipation. Then I get right down and start licking her asshole. She'll stifle a moan and that's when I start massaging her balls and stroking her dick.

Re:Same here. The ads are "quality time" (1)

Anarchduke (1551707) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071422)

All that to get ready for Transformers: The Movie?

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (2, Funny)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071464)

Well thats probably the case if you go to movies to only watch a movie. I never do just that, but it's nice to sometimes go out with a girlfriend and on the way or after go eat at a restaurant too. In that case the ads dont really bother that much. But if I just want to watch a movie, yeah I rather do it home from my more comfortable bed naked drinking beer.

I don't know what do you do with you girlfriend, but watching adds together is not on my list.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071042)

Same here. Even worse we'd already rung the cinema and specifically asked what time the actual feature started and had explained we weren't going to sit through adverts. The arsehole manager we spoke to on the phone of course told us what time the advertising started so I very loudly got us a refund and, to the best of my knowledge, none of our party of 10 has been back to a cinema since. That was in 1994.

These days the only way to watch a film in any decent way is to watch a decrapified rip at home on your own system.

You turn up at the time they say the film starts? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071116)

I work on a 5 minute per released week system:

First week: 20 minutes late
Second week: 15 minutes late
Third week: 10 minutes late

If it's been out longer than 3 weeks, I can wait for the DVD ( which I can skip the You wouldn't steal a policeman's helmet! [youtube.com] adverts and trailers through VLC )

You don't have to go to the theater, buy blu-ray (1)

Shivetya (243324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071176)

I still think one of the reasons Blu Ray won in the end is because HD required the movie start when you loaded the DvD. My Disney produced Blu Ray discs are loaded with nearly a dozen ads and such before the movie selection screen pops.

Its a constant pushing of "Next Chapter" after loading many Blu Ray titles. If they going to stream them over the net for free after a barrage of ads the least they could do is reduce the price of Blu Ray discs. Fortunately I haven't had a problem with skipping the ads, but I do have to press "Next Chapter" as each loads. One day someone might wise up and figure a way to go directly to the movie again.

Re:You don't have to go to the theater, buy blu-ra (1)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071686)

At least you can hit Next Chapter and skip the ads. When I load a Sesame Street DVD in for my kids to watch, I'm forced to see the same "supporting Sesame Street supports kids around the world" commercial read by Whoppi Goldberg. Next Chapter is locked so you can't skip it (though I think some of the newer DVDs might have fixed this). So my kids (unaccustomed to ads thanks to DVRs) want to know why they can't just get right to the movie.

Re:You don't have to go to the theater, buy blu-ra (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30072066)

Ever heard of the main menu button on your remote, works like a charm goes right to the movies menu and skips the adds

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071188)

Have you ever tried being late 15-20mins for a movie? Works every time.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071234)

That works fine several days after the movie first comes out. Before then, you have to be early to get a better seat.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071818)

That works fine several days after the movie first comes out. Before then, you have to be early to get a better seat.

Well then that's the choice you make, isn't it?

- See the movie on or shortly after release day
- Get a great seat
- Skip the commercials
Choose any two.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me.

There is, of course, another option...
- Go see the pre-premiere
- Get a great seat 'cos these are at impossible hours like 1am
- Skip the commercials if you want
- Deal with any technical issues that might arise due to it being the first audience screening outside of their regular test booth.

( And then there's the 'piracy' route - but that only works if the movie has in fact been released in any reasonable format. )

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (3, Insightful)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072430)

Why should I have to make choices like that if I'm a paying customer? If the theater wants my money, they should be bending over backwards to give me a better experience than what I get at home. This is what I would expect:
  • Ability to buy my tickets online, so that I don't have to wait in line or worry about getting in to a new release.
  • Ability to reserve specific seats when purchasing my tickets, so I don't have to get to the show early for good seats.
  • No extra charge for buying tickets online. Running an online shopping cart should be cheaper than paying a ticket salesperson, so there is no justification for extra fees.
  • No ads. No more than 3 trailers.

Do I sound picky? Perhaps. I have a nice TV at home, and renting movies is very cheap. It is up to the theater to give me a reason to not just stay home.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (1)

XedLightParticle (1123565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072306)

It's worth to note that not all cinemas let people rush and fight for their seats. Some allow you to reserve a seat number, from home, online, then it works great to show up late. Being late on purpose can have many benefits, not just going to the movies, ever been waiting forever in line to check in or boarding while traveling?

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (2, Insightful)

MartinSchou (1360093) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071332)

One of the reasons I stopped going to theaters to watch movies was that after I paid to get in, I was sitting through commercials

As far as I can tell, the only thing you're paying to use Voddler is the bandwith and the time to watch the adverts.

Why is it bad to have your movies paid by watching ads? Yes, on paid cable and theatres ads are fucking annoying as I've already paid for admission. Here, the ads ARE my payment of admission.

Re:barrage of ads; been to the theater lately? (2, Interesting)

Jason Levine (196982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071810)

One of the reasons I stopped going to theaters to watch movies was that after I paid to get in, I was sitting through commercials (not just trailers, but commercials).

I'm not going to excuse the ads, I hate them too, but you do realize that most (if not all) of the money that you paid to get into the movie went right back to the movie studios? Why do you think that popcorn and a soda cost to much at the movies? They need to pay their employees and run the entire facility on popcorn sales. When those didn't cut it (probably due to them costing so much), they turned to ads in front of the movies to bring in money.

Of course, the bigger issue is the home video market slowly killing movie theaters. Sure, movie theaters provide a bigger screen and possibly a better sound system (depending on your home system and the movie theater's sound system), but your home theater comes with cheaper snacks, more tailored to your tastes. (Sushi during the movie? Sure, why not?) It lets you pause to go to the bathroom or rewind to watch a favorite scene again and again. It comes without idiots talking to each other or on cell phones, revealing plot twists before they happen. And it comes without sticky floors. (Well, if the floors are sticky, at least it is your own fault for not cleaning them.)

Plus, it is cheaper. Last I checked, it costs about $8 per ticket. Renting a movie costs about $5 and unlimited people can watch. Plus, you can get them cheaper from your library (free) or Netflix. A couple seeing a movie will save at least $11 by renting versus going to the movie theater. A family of four will save $27 at minimum. That's hard to ignore.

How about downloading? (1)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070948)

but without DRM and in common formats. streaming wastes bandwidth each time you want to watch the movie. there is probably a way to rip but with the MPAA involved you can be guaranteed 'the man' is putting in some sort of DRM to try and stop that

Videos that contain viruses? (1)

anomnomnomymous (1321267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070952)

"Our customers can be sure that Voddler is totally legal, secure, and that there are no risks of computer viruses infecting their machines from downloaded files"

Finally! The amount of times I've had viruses from video-files have been... Erm... Ohwait.
What video files containing viruses -are- they talking about?,br>
With software they might at least have a point, but I've never seen a video file with a virus.

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

Fotograf (1515543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30070958)

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071076)

What about http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120458/ [imdb.com] ?

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071008)

Just because you have never seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exists.

There has been numerous viruses inside, for example, JPEG and GIF files. The viruses get executed via bugs in common decoder libraries. I don't see any reason why such a thing could not exist in video files as well. I guess someone more knowledgeable than me can post some examples.

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

Rig0r (1677040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071010)

somethingmalicious.exe + movie.avi > maliciousmovie.avi Embedded files are a possibility but it depends on the player and Voddler might have a player that they trust for not falling for this. I also think that they use professional obtained movie files, nothing that went through an other network yet.

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071066)

Yeah, 'cause legally obtained copies have NEVER contained rootkits. Oh, i feel so much safer now.

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

Rig0r (1677040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071302)

Never spoke about copies. Since they broadcast online, they're streaming and we don't have to worry about opening files that are malicious if their player is indeed a safe player.

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071202)

Maybe they're referring to the Voddler player software?

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

muntis (1503471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071536)

My GF last week infected my computer indirectly but through video. After downloading file from suspicios source and opening it with VLC it showed that it can only be seen through windows media player. When she opened with wmp it asked to download codec to play file. And wolla, what a surprise - codec contained worm or something. I spent whole evening cleaning up the mess.
If I remember correctly it was TrojanDownloader:ASX/Wimad.CN [microsoft.com]

Re:Videos that contain viruses? (1)

Misagon (1135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071576)

Isn't it obvious? They tried to refer to the program that you download the file with.. but jumbled up the grammar. Duh!

While waiting for the major studios to join in (1)

Provocateur (133110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071140)

They probably have the look alikes and the wannabee movies. Like a Swedish Steven Seagal that kicks arse and gets all the Swedish chicks...and he runs outta chicks...

Depends on definition of virus, (4, Informative)

antiaktiv (848995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071186)

I was very excited about Voddler (I'm a Spotify premium subscriber, and a big movie buff, so it was just what I'd been waiting for), until I read about how the mac client works.
When installed it takes root access (in beta? how can that be safe?), and the server part never shuts down. That's right, when you're not watching a movie, you're still uploading. When you're out and about with your laptop and on a 3G tether, just checking your email and paying for data transfer, you're still uploading. When you have some real uploading to do (for work or whatever), the only way to turn off the Voddler sharing is to uninstall the server part, and then the client and player stops working.

No thanks.

Re:Depends on definition of virus, (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071222)

That's what you get when you let some company, even one that claims to be free, safe, and secure, take over your computer. You've already been 0wn3d! Some of us have safe computers, safely configured, based on safe operating systems we compile ourselves, using safe compilers. The music and movie industries already know we won't be 0wn3d and so they've already counted us out of their target market (although they still lie to the government and pretend as though they tried to actually have us as part of their market). So we get our tunes and views elsewhere, from places that don't try to rape our computers.

Re:Depends on definition of virus, (1)

siyavash (677724) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071368)

Long time ago, I realized I can NOT trust ANY application that asks for root/admin access to my system. My solution was to virtualize the crap into its own virtual machine.

RAM is cheap these days, I have 12GB... Perhaps you could do the same. When you want to use that specific application, you just unpause the virtual machine.

I have actually done the same thing with "Internet". "ALL" my "Internet" is inside a virtual machine and my main PC has no Internet access at all.

Just a suggestion.

Re:Depends on definition of virus, (4, Informative)

dr_d_19 (206418) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071378)

That's already fixed. Doesn't run as root and you now have the option of turning the P2P stuff off and on as you wish.

Voddler on Mac [voddler.com]

Re:Depends on definition of virus, (1)

antiaktiv (848995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071530)

Good to hear. Mod this up I guess. (And get me an invite)

Re:Depends on definition of virus, (1)

Misagon (1135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071648)

Remember the Mac version is still in Alpha!

The root access-stuff was a bug in the installer. It wasn't supposed to run as root, and it didn't have to. That has been fixed in the latest alpha-release for Mac.

Yes, Voddler is based on file-sharing tech quite similiar to Bittorrent and Spotify. (except that Bittorrent doesnt' stream) Read the FAQ!
The developers have said that the uplink rate will be throttled in an upcoming release. I say it again: It is in Alpha!

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Re:sell:nike air max jordan shoes,coach,gucci,hand (1)

drsmack1 (698392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071362)

This guy's account needs to be banned

Re:sell:nike air max jordan shoes,coach,gucci,hand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30072034)

This guy's account needs to be banned

Naw, probably won't even use it again and would just sign up again with a different id if they did want to.

What they need is a DDoS on the website they're plugging & for that website to be informed that it was a direct result of the spam comments. Someone should turn one of the botnets against them.

Finally... (1)

bkr1_2k (237627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071266)

Hey, maybe Hollywood is finally starting to get it? We'll see how badly they try to screw the customers in the long term, but this is at least a step in the right direction.

Ads upfront (1)

happy_place (632005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071424)

I like the option to get all my ads up front and then watch a show uninterrupted. Hulu has this feature with some of its teevee offerings. I generally mute the stupid thing for the couple minutes that the ads are running, run to the kitchen grab something to eat, or switch windows and do work there, then when the time's over, I'll watch my show. Essentially the whole thing is ad free at that point. Of course advertisers probably hate me for suggesting we all ignore them.

Security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30071696)

Having a firewall with a default deny policy is a good way to promote safety.
If you use Voddler, you need to open each and every TCP and UDP port from 1025 and up. (Or have some D-Linkish "router" with UPnP.)

Okay, this may not be such a big deal for most home users. But it makes it impossible to use in a work or school setting.
This is a great service for documentaries and educational videos that can never be.

Why can't they do like Skype, Spotify or... well most anything else, like the web?

Question about pr0n (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071800)

Is it a Swedish site that streams movies, or a site that streams Swedish movies?

How is this different from... (1)

xkcdFan1011011101111 (1494551) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071842)

Hulu or any of the other free online TV/movie streaming sites?

Re:How is this different from... (1)

ChowRiit (939581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30072344)

Well, Hulu is USA only and I've not heard of any others that are actually legal (ie with the support of any of the studios). If you're not American, that's a pretty important difference...

Need coffee... (1)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 4 years ago | (#30071918)

I read that as "Bollywood Hacks Swedish Movie Streaming Site". Had this image of some programmer replacing documentaries about meatballs with clips of Aishwarya Rai dacing on a hilltop.

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