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Future Blu-ray Movies To Come With Playable Game Demos

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the confluence-of-media dept.

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Audiofan writes "Enthusiasts have long suggested the PlayStation 3 to their family and friends as one of the better and most affordable Blu-ray players. Lately, prices of Blu-ray players have been coming down, but the PS3 is still one of the better options out there. Sony is taking advantage of this by starting to offer game demos on their Blu-ray offerings. While these demos will only be playable on the PS3, they hope the extra value will help drive sales."

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I can't wait... (1, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083710)

... for the porn industry to whip up something fun with this.

Re:I can't wait... (3, Funny)

Rebelgecko (893016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083948)

I think you mean "whip out"

Re:I can't wait... (0)

EspressoFreak (237002) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084030)

no, he meant whip up [urbandictionary.com]

Re:I can't wait... (0)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084242)

Well if you can trip people up with it, then hey. I ain't gonna stop ya. Might hurt though. :P

Re:I can't wait... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084264)

will the games be just like all the commercials? that way i will see a black guy, an asian chick, and a white woman and i'll say "wow, what an artificially diverse cast!"

Too easy... (0)

playerone (903173) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083728)

Now we can get our crappy sweatshop games right on the same disk as the average movie tie in.

Can't see this being very useful in the real world.

Re:Too easy... (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083762)

Oh you crazy consumers...

You'll get a feature limited demo of our crappy sweatshop game, with ads on all the loading screens(also present in $60 full version and $80 non-resellable-DLC-fuck-you-gamestop edition), on the same disk as the average movie tie in.

And by god, you'll like it(or we'll blame piracy).

Re:Too easy... (3, Insightful)

tacarat (696339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083776)

You forgot the trojan that gets installed if your player happens to be a computer.

Re:Too easy... (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083826)

It isn't a trojan if there is a cryptic reference to it somewhere in our illegibly tiny 55 page EULA...

Re:Too easy... (1)

greatica (1586137) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083834)

Most people, I think, don't even know what a Trojan is, so why should they care about it?

Re:Too easy... (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083854)

Most people outside of slashdot probably have a vague idea [trojancondoms.com] .

Re:Too easy... (5, Funny)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083910)

I never understood why a condom brand would want to associate itself with the trojans.

Buy our brand. When you have sex the girl won't even notice you infiltrating, then once inside all your little soldiers will pop out and reek havok. Then you can tell her, 'Haha, Suprise!'

Re:Too easy... (3, Informative)

The Dancing Panda (1321121) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084024)

The greeks did that to the trojans. The trojans had an unbreakable wall. I think that's the idea.

Re:Too easy... (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084086)

The Greeks built the horse. The Trojans were dumb enough to haul it inside the city walls.

Paris, prince of Troy, started the whole bloody war when he seduced the already married Helen of Sparta.

Re:Too easy... (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084246)


Yeah - typical Greek view. He seduced her like she got no say in the matter. More likely she was just tired of being married to some old king who obviously wasn't a very nice person as he was willing to kill his own daughter to please Poseidon. Personally I just attribute the whole affair to Eris, she of the Golden Apple (Hail Eris!) ;)

Anyway, we should enjoy our Greek Myth while we can. Hollywood is about to butcher them [imdb.com] yet again.

Re:Too easy... (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085004)

Technically the gods killed the guy who said that they shouldn't trust the horse with snakes, and everyone else was afraid and hurled it in, so you can't really blame them.

Re:Too easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084658)

I've been thinking the same exact thing off and on for a month now. I keep trying to work it up into a good comedy routine.

Re:Too easy... (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084750)

I never understood why a condom brand would want to associate itself with the trojans.

New ad campaign: "Put on a Trojan and you'll get inside her walls"

Re:Too easy... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085798)

Most people, I think, don't even know what a Trojan is, so why should they care about it?

If I'd only known what a Trojan was a few years ago, I'd still be single.

Re:Too easy... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085678)

I like game demos. They overwhelmingly show me that I don't want to buy games. Sometimes they show me the opposite, which is rare, but leads to fun. I don't even mind ad screens; the only thing I do mind is when I can blow through the demo in less than an hour. But I guess since lots of people only want an hour, it's an effective means of getting money out of some of them. Unfortunately, there's usually not enough depth in such a demo to convince the rest of us to buy it...

Re:Too easy... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085790)

You'll get a feature limited demo of our crappy sweatshop game

The same feature limited demo of our crappy sweatshop game that you can download for free from Playstation Store.

Re:Too easy... (4, Insightful)

urIkon (1073202) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083778)

I'm amazed you can exhibit such foresight from under that bridge!

I often scoff at marketing ploys, but game demos are a good thing. As long as this doesn't increase the price of the discs, this is more value for your dollar- it isn't as if you have to play the demo to watch your movie.

Now, just watch them bundle some highly anticipated game demo exclusively with some crap film- SURPRISE HOME MOVIE SALES HIT OF THE SUMMER!

Re:Too easy... (3, Insightful)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084164)

But who's really going to pay the price of a Blu-ray disc to play the game demo, even if they REALLY want to? I mean sure, if its on the same disc as a film you'd buy anyway... but to buy Terrible Parody Movie 9 to play the demo of the ohmygodsweetjesusawesome Halo (or any other highly popular game) game coming out the next spring... no.

Re:Too easy... (1, Insightful)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084206)

I think this is more of a case of "hey, we have extra space left over, we can sell that as premium video game advertising space!". Joe developer might not get much per disc to put a demo on a straight to video disc, but how much is EA, Valve, or Bethseda willing to pay to put Metal Gear Solid 5 demo, Grand Turismo 7 demo etc on something as big as Transformers 3 Blu Ray disc? The production studio/director probably sign away marketing rights on their DVD/Blu Ray already, so this is money straight in the distributor's pocket, pure and simple. On crappy B movies, distributors might make more money selling game demo ad space for games like Army Men 5: Melting in Iraq or Big Game Hunter 9: Return of Bigfoot or whatever crapware, than they actually do selling the movie on the disc.
 
Once the technology exists to play PS3 demo games on a blu-ray disc, this is like printing free money for Sony.

Re:Too easy... (1)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084314)


Personally, this would annoy me. I hate trailers on discs. I (and I assume most people) only buy discs because we'll want to keep the movie and watch it again in time. And when I do, it's very irritating to see trailers for old movies pop up or (with the early Blu-Rays) a feature piece telling me how great Blu-Ray is. I would feel the same way about demos for games.

On top of this, a producer would be shooting itself in the foot by not making a demo available elsewhere, e.g. for download online. So if it's already available, then why would the people getting the Blu-Ray need a second source?

But mainly, I just want my movie collection to be a collection of the things I actually want. Not littered with rapidly out of date ads. If I wanted an ad-supported model, I'd find one. People who pay for content always resent finding the seller trying to make a quick buck by subjecting them to ads as well.

Re:Too easy... (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085406)

I would feel the same way about demos for games.

It's just going to be another option on the menu, which won't even appear unless you have a PS3 (if they are at all competent anyway.) Or perhaps another trailer in the intro trailers, which you can skip or which don't play if you buy movies from non-jackasses.

But mainly, I just want my movie collection to be a collection of the things I actually want. Not littered with rapidly out of date ads.

So, uh, rip 'em down to the movies. Aside from the whole DMCA thing, it's still a legal act. If you're doing it solely for the purposes of backups, nobody is going to sue you. Or simply refuse to purchase media not provided on your terms, and enjoy staring at the wall.

Re:Too easy... (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085762)

Personally, this would annoy me. I hate trailers on discs.

Do you hate trailers, or do you hate forced trailers? I can't see how you can have any problem with trailers hiding behind a menu selection, or sometimes two menus (as a sub-item of an Extras menu).

This is a problem with DVD too, it's just that (from what I hear, not having yet drunk Sony's kool-aid) it already takes Blu-Ray what, 60 or more seconds to get where you can start watching the movie when the studio doesn't pull their arrogant "WE'RE SO AWESOME WATCH OUR FLYING LOGO AGAIN WITH CONTROLS DISABLED" crap?

Re:Too easy... (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084208)

RTFA? Oh, wait, I forgot where I was for a moment. ;)
Anyways, yes this is almost exactly what they're doing. Bundling an *extremely* highly anticipated game demo with a reasonably successful film. In this case it's the God of War 3 demo bundled with District 9. A movie I want to own and a game I want to try. So as long as it doesn't cost any extra, yes I will be buying this. :)

Re:Too easy... (0)

AnotherUsername (966110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084678)

Hmm...
I think I'll just get my PS3 game demo the same place I get them now - the Playstation Network. They're free, and chances are, it'll be the exact same demo on the movie I probably didn't want to begin with.

Instead of using the extra disc space for a game demo, how about they use it for special features and alternate versions(director's cut and theatrical on the same disc would be nice). I love my Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut, but the fact that a Blu-Ray disc has none of the special features that were on the regular DVD irritates me. I am told that there are no special features because the a.) the movie is 45 minutes longer, b.) the video is higher quality, and c.) the audio is higher quality as well. Well, I may be one of the few, but I would be willing to pay more for the movie if they would include a second Blu-Ray disc that was entirely special features, as well as the original theatrical version.

When a release of a film is done right, and there are plenty of extras that go along with it, I am willing to reward those who are responsible. However, if a studio is adding 'extras' to a release that really have very little to do with the actual movie, I get quite irritated. Adding a game demo to a Blu-Ray disc simply to use up space actually makes me a bit angry. This tells me that I am not getting a.) high quality video, b.) high quality sound, or c.) special features that I will actually enjoy.

When I play a game demo, and I enjoy it enough, I buy the game. Then I delete the demo, because I have no further use for it. When I play a game demo, and I do not like it, I simply delete it, and never think about it again. By coupling a game demo to a movie, I am forced to forever have to keep the game demo, whether I like it or not. If I buy a movie, I want a movie, with extras pertaining to the movie. If I buy a movie, I am not buying a game. When I buy a game, I do not expect a movie trailer to come with it. That is not why I bought the game. Both demos and trailers are generally free on the Playstation Network. Why do I need to have a movie tie-in game be forced onto me. Most movie tie-in games suck. I don't like to think about them. Nor do I want them on my Blu-Ray disc, taking up space that could be used for my special features that I love so much.

Disclaimer to above post:
I know that this post has been very a roundabout one, so please forgive me. It's 3:15 in the morning, and I am just getting done watching a 6 hour Dr. Who marathon(damn you Netflix!), and I am tired. So please forgive me.

save the space.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30083768)

...for a good encode of the movie itself. leave the gimmicks out of it.

Re:save the space.. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084428)

I agree the movie quality shouldn't suffer. However many disks do have some space left over so why not use it?

Blu-ray is dead. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30083784)

Can't these companies get it through their thick skulls that Bluray is a dead on arrival format? That consumers don't see it as a necessary update to their plain DVDs, which they see as good enough even with the advent of HD televisions?

Companies are just trying to beat consumers over the head with Bluray for long enough in the hope that some day it might actually catch on, thanks to their wonderfully deep pockets (while they say that they're losing money due to piracy...), instead of letting the market decide what fails and lives. In the past, Bluray would have long been dead, but now Sony and other companies pushing this DOA format are stubbornly determined to make it succeed despite overwhelming apathy for it.

Let it die. Yes, a few people buy it, but no more than the normal amount of "early adopters" for any new technology. It's over, let it pass into history as yet another failed format nobody wants.

Anonymous Coward because I *know* there will be people accusing me of technophobia, hatred of new technology, etc, instead of seeing my argument as what it is -- basic common sense reasoning.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

some_guy_88 (1306769) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083928)

Right on. Nothing wrong with high resolution video, but Bluray is a crappy distribution medium.

I'm even surprised dvds became so popular. The thing that drives me nuts about dvds is the damn menus they put at the start. I just want to watch the movie. I don't want to watch a 30 second un-skipable menu animation and then have to press enter on a remote and then watch another 5 second "leaving the menu" animation. I just want the movie.

Don't get me started about the ads that make you feel like a criminal at the start of rental dvds.

And they wonder why people use bittorrent..

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084022)

I'm even surprised dvds became so popular. The thing that drives me nuts about dvds is the damn menus they put at the start. I just want to watch the movie.

Don't assume, just because that's your preference, that it applies to everyone. Given the presence of extra content on most DVDs, not to mention DVDs for TV programs where multiple episodes appear on a single disc, a menuing system for accessing that content makes a ton of sense. In fact, one of the reasons I haven't bothered to try and rip my DVD collection is that no format will *preserve* those menus (and all the content they provide access to), save for a straight ISO rip, which has the problem of immense size.

That said, having portions of a DVD that actively disable controls (ie, FF, RWD, etc) is flat out evil (which is why my DVD player is Xine).

And as an aside, the reason BR is DOA is that a) they're frickin' expensive, and b) HD penetration is still not all that impressive, and for your average consumer, the upgrade just ain't worth the trouble (and yes, videophiles, you can fuck off... I said *average* consumer).

Matroska can contain the whole DVD menus and all! (2, Informative)

bornagainpenguin (1209106) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084140)

One of the reasons I haven't bothered to try and rip my DVD collection is that no format will *preserve* those menus (and all the content they provide access to), save for a straight ISO rip, which has the problem of immense size.

I believe it is possible to do exactly this with Matroska, as described here [aperiodic.net] .

--bornagainpenguin

Re:Matroska can contain the whole DVD menus and al (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085476)

That is both fascinating and interesting but also total bullshit as a process. I don't want to have to hack DVDs. Maybe if handbrake had an option for it, but I've had very poor luck with MKVs made by handbrake anyway.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084214)

Indeed, a menuing system makes a ton of sense.
However, what may be more discutable is the way DVD/Blu-rays boot straight to the menu. Personally, I would have preferred if they started the movie right away (the menu would be still accessible from a keypress). I don't really need a menu to set up the audio track or the subtitle track - most hardware of software players allow to do this without interrupting the movie.
And of course, as you said, booting straight to the movie doesn't make a lot of sense for TV programs. But we do not have a to have a single rule for every kind of content.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085702)

The menu's not really a big deal IMHO. I've found in most cases I can just keep pressing the "okay" button, and the player will immediately hop from the menu to the movie. Using this method I find I can start the DVD movie faster than on my old VHS tapes (which have 3-4 minutes of lead time).

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

0123456 (636235) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084400)

And as an aside, the reason BR is DOA is that a) they're frickin' expensive

Since when?

Most of the Blu-Ray disks I've bought of older movies have been cheaper than the equivalent DVD was when it came out, and the last few box sets of TV shows have been only a few dollars more than the same show on DVD... if not less, in some cases.

That's not to imply that some Blu-Ray disks aren't crazily priced, but most would have looked like a bargain compared to when I started buying DVDs in the 90s. The whole 'Band of Brothers' TV show on Blu-Ray cost me about $35, for example.

Then again, if you think that 4-8GB is 'immense size', you may think $35 for one of the best TV shows of recent years at HD resolution is 'frickin expensive'.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085676)

>>>HD penetration is still not all that impressive, and for your average consumer, the upgrade just ain't worth the trouble

It depends. If someone asked my advice, I'd still recommend buying a Bluray player over yet-another-DVD player. Why? Because even on a standard definition set, you can see the difference in quality (Bluray has no compression artifacts), and also the price differential is not that great. Bluray is the future; might as well prepare yourself now.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084112)

The DVD menus are nowhere near as annoying as fast-forwarding and rewinding tapes.. I'll take an extra 10-30 seconds of useless intro over that any day.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

wisty (1335733) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084174)

Yep. DVD killed VHS because it was easy to use and a lot more robust. No rewinding the tape when you finished. No stuffing the tape back into the cartridge when it spat the dummy. No fingerprints, fuzzy lines, and pictures wrapping vertically up and down the screen.

The menus are a PITA, but they are still better than VHS.

Also, the "special features disks" are pain. Would it be a huge ask to clearly mark those things? Big red letters with "special features" would save people a lot of time and frustration.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085740)

On the other hand:

My Super VHS vcr can record any television program, even those that DVRs refuse to capture (due to DRM). And the quality is just as good as DVD. There are certain advantages to using analog formats which ignore digital anti-copy schemes.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084184)

Definitely. I'll tolerate the intros, which aren't really that bad. Oh hey, I can start the DVD and let it play through to the main menu while I go make popcorn or something for the movie. Plus the special features that you usually get on a DVD. Never saw those on tapes.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084880)

Nah, you could fast forward a VHS tape 30 seconds to get the the good scene (ahem) but it takes longer than that on a DVD to show the "The FBI prosecutes pirates" screen in Russian, Slovak, Turkish...

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (4, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084176)

In recent years I have rented two DVDs where the previews were unskippable. Thats annoying. And in the future:

This disk has been licensed for three viewers. To proceed beyond the anti pirating presentation your player must detect three viewers facing the screen with eyes open for the entire 20 minutes.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (2, Insightful)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085010)

So when I pirate my movies, with no unskippable anything, I get a superior product? Did any of these people take a basic economics course?

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085382)

Right now, (perhaps not in the future), DVDs are still superior to the ripped version. Most people don't have the connections to download a full resolution version of a DVD rip, nor do they have their TVs set up to display a video feed from their computer. They also don't want to be bothered burning it to a DVD, marking it, etc.

In the future, this will likely not be the case, but right now for DVD to DVDrip comparisons, DVD is still slightly ahead.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085592)

He just said "pirate DVD movies", which you can easily do via DVD-R-to-DVD-R copies once a single person has removed the protection on the first generation copy. There are still people out there selling pirated DVDs, no downloading necessary.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085668)

We were both, however, referring to the convenience factor.

Where the hell would I find one of those people? Certainly not closer to me than the nearest BestBuy. And even then, are they selling bit for bit DVD rips, or bootlegs that they just label as DVDs?

As I said, it is close, and when the network conditions of the US improve you will likely see the pirated versions beat regular DVDs (with unskippable ads/warnings) But until then, regular DVDs still are head with at least 2/3rds of the market.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084444)

The thing that drives me nuts about dvds is the damn menus they put at the start. I just want to watch the movie. I don't want to watch a 30 second un-skipable menu animation and then have to press enter on a remote and then watch another 5 second "leaving the menu" animation. I just want the movie.

Don't get me started about the ads that make you feel like a criminal at the start of rental dvds.

That's why I only watch DVDs via a computer. The software players I've used so far all had an option to directly jump to the start of the movie (past all the YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!!!!11 ads).

Plus you can change settings like language and subtitles via the player's menu; always at the same place, you don't have to stop the movie, go to the menu, find the settings, etc.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085016)

Plus you can change settings like language and subtitles via the player's menu; always at the same place, you don't have to stop the movie, go to the menu, find the settings, etc.

I own a 50$ Philips DVD Player & I can change subtitles etc through the remote without going to the main menu!

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

Megane (129182) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085804)

...meanwhile your remote is crammed with a bunch of buttons that you have to remember in the dark, and have to be properly set up when you get a multi-system remote. Touch-screen is not a solution, because it doesn't give tactile feedback, forcing to look at your remote to do anything.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085658)

Anon. Coward wrote:
Can't these companies get it through their thick skulls that Bluray is a dead on arrival format? That consumers don't see it as a necessary update to their plain DVDs, which they see as good enough even with the advent of HD televisions?

I sure as hell don't. Standard def DVDs look like shit on a large (>30 inches) set, especially with all the annoying DVD artifacts. Give me the high-definition movies and tv shows please.

someguy wrote:
Nothing wrong with high resolution video, but Bluray is a crappy distribution medium.

I'm going to guess you're like most people, and think a "better" distribution medium is the internet. Well that may work for me, but it won't work over my 750k DSL connection. And what about those millions of Americans still stuck with 50k dialup? Or imposed overage fees if you go over 250 gig?

A disc is still the best way to reach everybody's homes with high-def content. PLUS because it's on a physical disc, it can be sold after you grow tired of it. You can't resell a Download on Ebay, but you can sell a DVD or Bluray

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083940)

You must be blind as a bat.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (2, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084044)

Hardly. Case in point: I refuse to by a huge TV because, frankly, I don't have the room, and I consider it nothing more than conspicuous consumption. So I've settled on a 32" TV... which is, TBH, still huge, but I happen to watch it from a couch that's a good 12-14 feet away (it's on an angle, so the viewing distance varies a bit). And from that distance, at that screen size, SD and HD are indistinguishable simply due to physical limitations in the human eye related to angular resolution.

So unless I plan to buy a huge TV, or move my couch half-way across the room, HD is pointless. And I can't imagine I'm the only one in that boat. Furthermore, for those where the difference in resolution would be visually distinguishable, many simply don't consider the upgrade worth the bother, as SD is good enough (particularly given the quality of a decent DVD upscaler).

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084166)

I used to think like you until I bought a 42" LCD HDTV (1080p, naturally). The image is razor sharp and the difference is now very noticeable to me when I see SD content or use an old TV. In passing it might not seem like such a big deal, but in day to day usage it really does make a visible difference.

On top of that, I can use it as a PC monitor.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084396)

i've had lots of people give me this exact line, then i sit them down to watch a HD movie on my 1080p 70 inch tv, and they all want one.

all you are doing is making excuses as to why your tv is "good enough". well sir not everyone is content with "good enough"

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085252)

Heh heh. Same thing happened to me. I finally got a PS3 last year, and switched my Netflix account to allow Blu-Ray. I wasn't expecting much, but, geez, even on my 52 incher it was enormously better than than any DVD. Sad to say my first Blu-Ray was "Transformers". I can never undo that. :-(

"On My 70 incher..." (1)

voss (52565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085442)

I have a 32 inch 720p lcd tv and a 24 inch 1080p monitor. I also have a blu-ray player and hdmi. While yes I can see the difference between upscaled DVDs and blu-ray discs, its simply not worth paying triple the price for the blu-ray.

The problem is not the blu-ray discs the problem is the blu-ray player does such a good job at upscaling DVDs that on most 32 inch and smaller tvs it is "good enough" that you dont feel the need to spend the money to replace the DVD disc.

What the blu-ray fanatics arent saying when they describe about how their friends eyes are popping, is they are comparing watching their blu-rays on 72 inch lcd tvs versus watching non-upscaled dvds on an sdtv, the PS3 does not automatically upscale dvds unless you have the correct firmware and have the settings set for it , oops they didnt tell you that did they?

They also didnt tell you that upscaling on a ps3 is not as good as many regular upscaling dvd players let alone standalone blu-ray players because the system doesnt do that much postprocessing. Why would that be?

I guess sony doesnt really want people seeing upscaled content, that doesnt sell blu-ray discs does it?

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30085458)

All you are doing is justifying the money you spent by trolling on Slashdot.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084474)

I use to think like you, even after we got a HD tv. I looked at it and went "so what? Its just like the old tv." After a few months of using it I then went and looked at someone's old SD tv and I could immediately tell the difference.

So hey, while ever you don't know the difference, it won't kill you. But the second you do, you won't be able to go back.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085560)

I don't even have a TV you insensitive Clod. I get by with my 28" 1920x1200 monitor...

The difference between a 1080p blu-ray and a regular DVD is night and day, honestly you have to be blind not to see it. Once you get used to watching movies in HD, it becomes difficult to go back to SD...

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085778)

>>>And from that distance, at that screen size, SD and HD are indistinguishable simply due to physical limitations in the human eye related to angular resolution.
>>>

Perhaps but you still have the issue of compression artifacts - DVD has them and Bluray doesn't. Don't believe? Take a DVD movie and fast-forward to a dark scene (like a firelight scene). Do you see all the strange blocks floating around in the background? Those are artifacts. Now look at the same scene on Bluray - the blocks disappear.

You can also detect other differences, like "mosquitos" floating around in the bright scenes, which are present on DVD but absent from Bluray. Those are harder to see but stick-out when you know what to look for.

I have a 25" standard def CRT, and even I can see the difference. DVD is "dirty"; Bluray is clean.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085758)

Sadly I think some people really can't tell the difference, or rather can't conceptualize the difference unless you show them HD and SD running side by side. Once they see it they can tell instantly, but getting over that hurdle is an issue. I think this is why the industry is so keen to introduce 3D. It's a lot hard to claim you can't see the difference between a 2D and 3D image.

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30083992)

I refuse to buy a blu-ray player for the following reasons:

Xbox360 pwnz
I can pirate everything in 1080p and stream it to my HDTV using the aforementioned xbox
I can also pirate the full games that would be included on the blu ray disc, for the 360 of course

Re:Blu-ray is dead. (2, Informative)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085710)

That "dead on arrival" format is experiencing growth comparable to DVD in its day. And even if it did die for whatever reason so what? Tools like AnyDVD make it fairly straightforward to rip the content to HDD at which point you have a high quality 1080p movie which will be good for years to come.

Hooray, more garbage (1)

greatica (1586137) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083786)

IMDB > Actor biographies
Google Images > Special Artwork
YouTube & Movies Sites > Deleted Scenes and Behind the Scenes Documentaries
Blogs > Director's commentaries
Apple/Youtube > Upcoming releases
Ripping Disc to cleanse the movie > FBI Warning
Watching mold grow > Overdone menus
Surfing the net on my own > Launching my browser with your dumpy "special access" software.
Root Canal > DVD Quizzes

And now...

Downloading Demos > Having them bundled

Hooray, I love more garbage that will make my movies seem even more dated when I watch them 10 years later.

Who am I kidding? They probably won't even put the demos on the disks...they'll just waste your bandwidth by using BD Live to download the demo.

alternatively... (1)

EspressoFreak (237002) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083830)

it's only a matter of time that we'll be watching full blu-ray movies off the ps3 network, kind of like the itune store where we can pay couple dollars and keep the movie for 3 days or so.

Re:alternatively... (1)

Alcohol Fueled (603402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084236)

Or at least a part of Netflix on PS3 sometime in the future. I don't think it'd be that hard to add Blu-ray quality movies to the online queue. The only issue that might stop it from happening would be the bandwidth needed to transfer a Blu-ray quality movie.

Re:alternatively... (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084638)

Blu-Ray discs are 50GB. The video file for the movie "Love Actually" is 40GB. I'm only allowed to download 250GB a month.

How do you expect this to work?

Re:alternatively... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30085570)

Get another ISP. Comcast sucks!

I see some Success here (1)

Sirusjr (1006183) | more than 4 years ago | (#30083844)

As much as many here are too smart to be fooled by this, think back to when Dragon Quest VIII came with a pack-in demo of FFXII. I doubt much of the gaming populace actually bought DQVIII to play it rather than to play the demo (although I like to think that people bought it for DQVIII). However with downloaded demos a much bigger thing nowdays I don't see how this would work. If other demos work just fine when uploaded to the internet and burned on a CD (at least for the xbox 360) then I fail to see how that will be impossible to do here as well. Thus the demo will just show up on bittorrent sites for all to enjoy without wasting their money on District 9.

Re:I see some Success here (1)

spathi-wa (575009) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084012)

.... without wasting their money on District 9.

I disagree, IMO District 9 is well worth the money

Re:I see some Success here (1)

Cochonou (576531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084186)

They probably want to drive up the sales... of their games. I don't really see anybody to be more inclined to shell money out because of a game demo. In the other way however, it might be more effective, as a distribution channel. If the game demo is already available on a disk you own, you might be more tempted to try out the demo, especially if it's from a game you have never heard about.

I just want to play for 1h so game demos are great (2, Insightful)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084042)

This is awesome. Most game demos have to give you enough to wet your appetite for more. Most of the time you can realize the game would suck, but the demo usually has a few redeeming qualities making the 30 minutes that you play the demo rewarding and entertaining.

So: I'm all for it.

Re:I just want to play for 1h so game demos are gr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084728)

Not a grammar nazi, but it's "whet your appetite". 'Whet' means 'sharpen'.

Re:I just want to play for 1h so game demos are gr (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30085008)

Exactly, i love games with movies, even some mini-games that came on DVDs.

Since someone mentioned Final Fantasy up there, the Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within mini-editor game that lets you re-sequence one of the scenes was pretty damn fun.

I wish more film makers would put some fun back in to the DVD releases.

I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (4, Interesting)

matty619 (630957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084182)

I really hope that bluray is the last of this shiny plastic disc phenomenon. I had a somewhat respectable VHS collection, then amassed a healthy DVD collection, jumped on the HD-DVD bandwagon with the HD player add-on for the 360 before that battle was lost, and now I've got about the same number of bluray discs.

We've been told time and again, when you buy an album, or a copy of a movie, you don't *own* that copy, you have merely licensed it. So I'm not allowed to make a backup for personal use of the copy of my license, when the new format comes out, I have to buy a new "license" for the IP I have already licensed.... I am sooo ready to simply "license" movies via a Netflix like subscription service....I'll pay $20/month (less than the cost of 2 premium cable TV channels) if I can "rent" any movie I like on the fly. I've already got a 20 Mb/s internet connection, and with DOCSIS 3.0 coming to my area next year, should be fast enough to stream reasonably compressed HD content. No more need to buy and keep track of fragile little discs...or have to re-purchase when the next format comes out 12 years later.

I'm just over it.

Re:I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084566)

Turn on your xbox 360 next week...

Re:I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084642)

The transition from VHS to DVD was a necessary break from the past. What I don't understand is why you can't simply play your DVDs on your Blu-Ray player? You haven't lost anything there and you certainly don't need to buy a new copy unless you want the higher resolution version.

Re:I'm so over these stupid shiny plastic discs (2, Insightful)

reashlin (1370169) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084972)

Oh I get it, your so sick of moving from format to format, media to media, license to license that your ready to jump ship from Blu-ray to a subscription download service. Good on ya.

You'd be better off just keeping the old 'players' around and not jumping on every new bandwagon that rolls into town. You can still buy decent combined DVD/VHS players so its won't likely take up too much space on that front. I'm sure you've still got your 360 around and likely a PS3. So I don't see why you have to replace anything.

Good for Sony (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084288)

But this might be a little irritating to any blu-ray player manufacturers NOT named Sony.

Just lower the price instead. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084302)

"they hope the extra value will help drive sales"

Instead of increasing the value to "match" the price, they should simply lower their price.

Re:Just lower the price instead. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30084578)

I'm guessing that it really doesn't work that way. This is bundling. My guess is the demos are necessary to sell the games and will be distributed in other ways as well, so sticking them on a blu-ray disk is a pretty cheap extra distribution channel whose costs are mostly bureaucratic within Sony.

Put another way, not doing this is in the blu-ray disk distribution divisions is not saving money that will allow them to lower the price in the PS3 division.

How much data? (0)

AlgorithMan (937244) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084654)

The picture quality of DVDs is much better than the blu ray advertisements try to make you believe (at least on non-crap players) so if they sacrifice to much disk space for demos, the picture quality of the movies might get to close to the DVD quality to have a reason for a switch to blu ray...

Re:How much data? (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084782)

1080p screen, PS3 player. Same movie on DVD and Blu-ray (both over HDMI straight from PS3 to screen), the Blu-ray version wins hands down. The difference is night and day. Maybe that points to my screen being a dumb 1080p monitor and not trying to enhance the crappy DVD picture quality. Some friends have really nice 1080p Sony TVs and their DVD quality (also through a PS3 over HDMI) is noticeable better, likely due to their TV doing extra image processing on the video signal that mine doesn't.

Re:How much data? (1)

reashlin (1370169) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084978)

Also check if your PS3 is doing any up-scaling. Your friends might have this turned on while you don't. I'll still agree the difference is night and day but I'd advise checking anyway.

PS3 *CAN* be used as a DVR (4, Informative)

117 (1013655) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084660)

From TFA:

just about the only thing you can't do with a PS3 is use it as a DVR.

This might be true in the US, but in other regions the PlayTV [wikipedia.org] hardware add-on enables you to do exactly that. PlayTV allows you to watch live free-to-air TV and HDTV through the PS3, and record those programs to the PS3's hard drive. I bought the PlayTV add-on (I'm in the UK) as it was cheaper than buying a standalone DVR for free-to-air broadcasts, and have found it to be easier to use and far more reliable than the standalone alternatives available here

Damn, I read Futurama... (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 4 years ago | (#30084912)

That would have been awesome, Futurama blu-Ray with playable Game Demo...but NO! ;-/

Awesome! (1)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085294)

They will go on the shelf next to all those dvds with the action viewable from different camera angles and lots of alternate endings and stuff we were promised when the same kind of idiots in suits were selling us a new more profitable format.

Digital goes Physical. Be happy Dammit. (1)

jeruvin (909380) | more than 4 years ago | (#30085764)

I prefer to download my game demos. This is the combination of two physical forms of media that can be completely digital and available over an Internet connection. I guess I shouldn't be shocked after they started offering streaming Netflix on the PS3 using a disc. Sony, once again you amaze me with your ability to not try very hard.
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