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URL Shorteners Get Some Backup

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the keeping-it-real-short dept.

The Internet 224

URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape. Some of the biggest questions around services such as, TinyURL, and is what happens when they go out of business (as did last August). Now a group of such companies, organized under the auspices of the Internet Archive, has formed a non-profit entity to hold URL-shortening databases in escrow, with the intent of continuing to resolve a member company's links should it get out of the business. At announcement, the 301Works organization has 21 URL-shortener members, including the largest, Many others are not (yet) on board. The members have agreed to cede control of their domain names to should they exit the field, and to back up their URL mappings regularly to the organization.

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No Subject (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101440)


DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway

President timecop of the GNAA has died today. He died at the age of 55 from excessive lulz in his apartment in Tokyo, Japan while watching faggot cartoons of preteen girls beeing raped by giant testicles. The world will remember him as a total faggot douchebag who had the opportunity to unite the best trolls seen upon the face of the internet into one special hardcore machine of destruction, unfortunately he failed, instead devoting his internet carreer to animu. Although he died like a true hero he will be forever remembered as a total failure.

In the wake of his death the GNAA is thought to perish like all the other so called trolling organizations. The writing is on the wall, they say. The GNAA smells worse than BSD, they say.They have said this for a long time. The GNAA has lived, with a very faint pulse, for years.


With the death of timecop still shocking our chats, not many are able to see ahead. But there is one visionary Nord who has great plans for the new GNAA.
"Under my leadership the GNAA will become the new home of all trolls on the internet. The GNAA will regain its old strength and will be feared by bloggers and jews alike. The time for CHANGE is now." DiKky HearTiez told a shocked audience outside the Gary Niger Memorial Plaza, Nigeria, earlier today. The GNAA will move its Internet Relayed Communications to a new location, following reports of a massive "Distributed Denial Of Service" attack on its previous location, making it unreliable.
"Our operatives are in need of a robust and safe communications service with can_flood for everyone." An anonymous source at the GNAA Black Ops department told reporters at the same conference.

KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez presidency!

The infamous KLULZ internet radio station supports DiKKy Heartiez for the new GNAA president.
"KLULZ is behind him 100% and will be broadcasting his speeches and support him in every way possible, we wish him the best of luck and an outstanding presidency. May many blogs burn under DiKky Hearties." This was stated by KLULZ Operations Manager and Gay Nigger g0sp when asked to comment on KLULZ involvement.

About President timecop


About DiKKy HearTiez

The world famous internet nord from Norway LOL HY living in a fjord LOL HY. Currently the new President of the new GNAA. He is also a radiodj on KLULZ and active in many irc chats. Known for several epic trolls in his time. Led the GNAA operation Intel Crapflood 21, who succesfully made GNAA owners of the biggest thread on Slashdot until fixed by admins. Also deeply involved in the war on blogs, and is the one who provided JesuitX with the real screenshots of Faggintosh Leopard. His leadership abilities, high iq and instoppable urge to troll, coupled with his fat Norwegian welfare check will enable him to become the best President the GNAA ever had.


KLULZ is the internets radio station, bringing you news about the GNAA, hosting shows by prominent djs such as DiKKy, l0de, g0sp, jenk and many others. KLULZ supports DiKKy Heartiez. With mature content this channel is not suitable for children or people under the age of 18. Klulz radio can be heard at

About GNAA:

organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one
common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [] ?

Are you a NIGGER [] ?

Are you a GAY NIGGER [] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER
) might be exactly what you've been looking for!

all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.

GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of
America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!

  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [] and watch it. You can download the movie [] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [] on [] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on, and apply for membership.

Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up
! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit
links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER
irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network.
The correct network is Hardchats, and you can connect to as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

Copyright (c) 2003-2009 Gay Nigger Association of America []

It has come to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [] , spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [] , which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [] on leftist commie propaganda site as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [] slut [] !

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [] . To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [] , glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [] is secret homo [] slang for the tip of a penis [] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [] ' originally referred to a homosexual [] practice. Slashdot [] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, [] .

The editors of Slashdot [] also have homosexual [] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [] . (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [] runs on Apache!

The Apache [] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'


What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [] -calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [] , Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [] .

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [] .

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [] , Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [] . Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [] , Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [] is that it contains hidden homosexual [] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [] , Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [] 's work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [] . Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [] .

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [] , which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [] . You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [] , but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:No Subject (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101564)

I'd rather you post shit like this than shoot up your middle school.

What are so angry about?

Re:No Subject (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101660)

Excellent. I wish you guys 'd round up some people who've posted under their usernames more recently than 2003. Even the mighty bigblacknigger [] is in a slump.

The GNAA is in dire need of some new, original, epic troll posts. I would like to help but I'm in a creative slump myself. I'll join your proud organization on the next manic upswing, if I can get myself to watch Gay Niggers from Outer Space in its entirety.

Best wishes!

Problematical (4, Funny)

Kagura (843695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101446)

URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.

Seriously?? I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but come on... the word is problematicalic, for crying out loud. ;)

Re:Problematical (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101484)

Problematical [] is a perfectly cromulent word.

Re:Problematical (4, Funny)

Kagura (843695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101514)

It embiggens even the poorest writers among us.

Re:Problematical (4, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101746)

That's ironical, isn't it?

Re:Problematical (3, Funny)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101904)

Actually, that's sartastical.

Re:Problematical (1)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102590)

And this thread has become farcical.

Re:Problematical (-1, Offtopic)

zonker (1158) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102706)

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

Re:Problematical (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102666)

Good grief.

Expede these words! My inwit directs me that our own tung should be written siker cleane and pure, unmixt and unmangeled with borowing of other tunges, which can only leave the readers yblent. I kan reach no other endsay. The foresayers wherein if we take not heed by tiim, ever borowing and never paying, she shall be fain to keep her house as bankrupt. Now if ye wil excuse me, mine wyf and I must celebrate our marriage yeartide.

Re:Problematical (1, Offtopic)

illumastorm (172101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101566)

Did anyone else read this in the voice of James Lipton, the host of Inside the Actor's Studio?

Re:Problematical (1) (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101634)

Please mod parent "+1 Win". I think there should be a text-to-speech site dedicated to Liptonizing any given block of text.

Re:Problematical (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102048)

No. Every time I watch that show I can't stop laughing about his horrible make-up job (he has a comical white rim around his mouth).

Re:Problematical (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102326)

"...(he has a comical white rim around his mouth)."

Like this guy [] does?


Re:Problematical (-1, Offtopic)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101524)

Problematicalic is not a word.

Re:Problematical (0, Offtopic)

Kagura (843695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101788)


Re:Problematical (1)

wellingtonsteve (892855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102400)

"This grammar is problematic..."

Re:Problematical (3, Funny)

aynoknman (1071612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102558)

URL shorteners are problematical, as everybody knows, but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.

Seriously?? I know editors frequently get grief for this sort of thing, but come on... the word is problematicalic, for crying out loud. ;)

The proper word is problematicalistic

Re:Problematical (0, Offtopic)

jeremyp (130771) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102742)


Wish these services would just go away already (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101452)

They inevitably generate link rot.

A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (2, Insightful)

Kagura (843695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101486)

You'll never get rid of "link rot", only mitigate it. Even archiving services have a non-zero chance of going under.

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (2, Interesting)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102720)

You read my mind. Even if this "" succeeds, they could go bankrupt as well, and then you still have the same problem.

Furthermore, what does it matter if [] stops working ten years from now? Nobody cares. Odds are good the link wouldn't work even if the TinyURL was preserved, due to the natural tendency of websites to rearrance their directories. (Note: Remove the last z if you want to see naked women.)

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (1, Insightful)

Jurily (900488) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101582)

A governing body should not have to step up to preserve these databases.

Wtf? There is an unbelievably simple way to deal with this. Make the URL shorter, not the link it points to.

"" could become


in the text, but with keeping the long link it points to, so you can still see it when you hover the mouse over it. This is what StackOverflow does in the comments, and it works perfectly.

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101738)

You've apparently missed the point completely. Twitter and similar sites have a character limit on messages. That includes all HTML markup.

Plus, there are times when you can't copy/paste a link, and would prefer a shorter one to have to type.

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (1)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102552)

Character limits and no copy/paste... I thought this was the 21st century?

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (3, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102732)

Those of us who still participate in discussion forums via Email or Usenet have a ~70 character character limit on URLs. If it exceeds that amount it will break across multiple lines and no longer function. Although readers could just copy-n-paste all the piece together, the TinyURL provides a way to convenient way to avoid that.

Re:Wish these services would just go away already (1)

speculatrix (678524) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102584)

why don't twitter and others scan tweets and replace third party shorteners with their own shortener services? it's really not that hard to do!

BUILD IT IN TO THE SERVICE!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101912)


How old is the web now? and we still have muppets producing RIDICULOUS URLs.

DON'T YOU WANT PEOPLE TO SAVE/READ/SHARE your URLS? Don't you want to make it easy for people to use your service?

Y'know... There are too many retards in the world. Particularly working in the IT business. We need some more wars, disease or something to "thin the herd".

Maybe I'll "sponsor a sniper"... How much do hit men cost in California at the moment?


Re:Wish these services would just go away already (1) (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102338)

The entire point of archival services like 301Works is to prevent link rot. From the article:

Participating companies will provide regular backups of their URL mappings to the service. In the event of the closure of a participating organization, technical control of the shortening service domain will be transferred to in order to continue redirecting existing shortened URLs to their intended destinations.

Proper handling of the final destination of these links is the responsibility of webmasters operating the targeted sites. Competent operators use HTTP redirection to correctly handle outdated inbound links. Failure to do so in the case of shortened URLs causes no additional problems beyond those caused by people attempting to use the original links.

This will never work (4, Funny)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101470)

I have a great proof why this won't work, but it's too long to fit in into a URL :(

Re:This will never work (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102746)

Here you go: []


gazbo (517111) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101482)

Sorry, I mean srs bsns.


Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101656)

I believe you mean seriousical buisiness.

awesome of to join (1)

roju (193642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101516)

Hopefully's commitment will force the other common players (tinyurl,, etc) to join as well. was the only main player on their list so far. A great next-step would be to get the twitter image sites (twitpic,, etc) on board as well.

Why bother? (5, Insightful)

RiotingPacifist (1228016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101542)

URL shortners only server for twitter posts and other place where you need to count characters, these links become pointless within days of a post (some think they become useless even earlier than that), so why bother preserving them after that? let alone when a provider goes bankrupt.

p.s I'm only posting this so i can get some karma to go troll apple ;)

Re:Why bother? (3, Insightful)

badpazzword (991691) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102144)

Twitter is not the only place you count characters.

URLs longer than 80 characters might split in multiple lines in emails. IRC topics also benefit from url shorteners. Nobody will be missing the rickrolls, however ;)

Re:Why bother? (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102308)

You forgot about the critical function they perform in trolling and rickrolling.

Will it really (4, Interesting)

TorKlingberg (599697) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101562)

If one of these companies goes bankrupt, their creditors will demand the only valuable asset: the domain name. Does their agreement with 301Works overrule the creditors claims?

Re:Will it really (3, Interesting)

roju (193642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101630)

That's a really good point. They could probably set up a structure to deal with it though. Create up a third company (say URL Inc) and transfer ownership of the domain to it. Give ownership of URL Inc but have them contract out operation perpetually to the url-shortening company (say Inc). Put non-assumability language in the contract, so that a transfer of ownership of Inc would terminate the agreement.

Re:Will it really (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102432)

I don't see companies wanting to hand over their domain name management to a third party, too much loss of control.

But probably the ultimate poison pill..

Create two companies: one privately held holding company with no debts. Just one asset: a domain name.

One publicly held URL shortening company that pays to rent the domain name. A monthly fee to cover management costs and renewal fees of the domain name, plus money for taxes, paying the board, and ensuring self-sufficiency of the holding company.

Has a contract they can renew forever, unless the board of the holding company votes to cancel it.

But the contract has a clause in it that can cause the agreement to be terminated if the URL shortening company gets bought out..

Requires the URL shortening company deliver all database backups and copies of all site code, software, admin scripts, etc to the holding company at frequent intervals.

And some rules that say what kind of service has to be provided by the URL shortening company, in addition to any other services provided with the domain, how the service can work, that all mappings must be kept forever, and provides a SLA (if a creditor shuts down some services and makes the service slow, fails to fix bugs, or fails to deliver continuous backups to the holding company, the agreement ends).

So if a creditor ever takes over operation of the URL shortening company, they have to follow very stringent rules, and continue to meet the SLA at all times, or the holding company can cancel their use of the domain immediately, and rent it out to another company.

I wonder if the IRS says that internet domain names depreciate. That would be funny (G)

Re:Will it really (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101688)

For someone trying to resolve one of the shortened urls, having a working mechanism present on the domain is a lot less important than having the database (for instance, say shut down, Twitter could put in place a mechanism where users could press a button and some program would go through their spew and replace all the references with something else, having the service running on isn't real important for things like that).

Re:Will it really (1)

ldbapp (1316555) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101748)

The creditors don't have any claims now, so the company can do whatever it wants. The terms of the arrangement will dictate what happens if the company goes under. If the arrangement effectively cedes control of the domain name (in practice or in fact), then the domain name was a priori not a valuable asset. If someone is a creditor now, and they don't like that, they should get out while the gettin' is good.

Re:Will it really (5, Informative)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102314)

Unless they are going bankrupt already, or the creditors have a secured debt, and the domain name is the collateral/security for that debt,

If they don't, then 301works' claim to the domain would be a prior claim, since they have secured an agreement that requires the URL shortening service to continue working, and a specific asset is named in securing that agreement is the domain name.

In other words: it depends on the terms of the agreement with 301works.

In a bankruptcy preceding, the party with the prior claim is normally the one they signed an agreement to deliver the asset to.

For example: if I buy something from an online retailer or mail order catalog, and they enter into bankruptcy after they received my payment for the item, but before they shipped the product... their creditors' don't get to repossess the item I have purchased, my claim comes before theirs, since my payment to purchase the item is a prior claim that I have.

And they have to send me the item, or a refund before they pay other creditors whose debts they defaulted on after my claim was raised.

The key difference: creditors that have a claim to a specific prior claim to a certain asset are at an advantage to the ones that don't.

Since specific cash to pay for the item in exchange for a certain service was provided by me, I have the prior claim to that cash.

Banks and investors that provided unsecured loans, or weren't a trading partner, have to wait in line, according to the priority of creditors.

Slashdot comment shortener (3, Funny)

fph il quozientatore (971015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101570)


Re:Slashdot comment shortener (1)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102414)


How does one go out of business... (3, Interesting)

KalvinB (205500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101576)

running these things?

$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set.

It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites. With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control.

Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account. Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away. Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.

Re:How does one go out of business... (3, Insightful)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101642)

If your own URL shortener becomes popular (it won't), it will have to serve at least a million clicks per day. is currently at around 4-5 per day, I think.

You can just perform simple redirects, without logging anything... But then you don't have anything even remotely interesting. The natural urge is to log every visit and let people view logs of their links (if you don't, users won't like your shortener). DB storage quickly piles up. A little bit of AdSense won't help you pay the servers, storage and bandwidth.

Re:How does one go out of business... (3, Funny)

Eudial (590661) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101778)

If your own URL shortener becomes popular (it won't), it will have to serve at least a million clicks per day. is currently at around 4-5 per day, I think.

I don't know why is even up for discussion though. A site that only gets 4 hits per day is obscure by any standard.

Re:How does one go out of business... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102046)

I think that meant 4-5 million; it seems pretty popular.

Re:How does one go out of business... (4, Funny)

Tellarin (444097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102214)

And, according to TFS, it is the biggest of them. :)

Re:How does one go out of business... (2, Interesting)

martin-boundary (547041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101728)

There's no reason at all why someone should be running a site for this "service".

The correct way to do this should be an RFC which would define a standard URL shortening function that can be implemented by all the browsers. Such a shortening function has to be like a hash, but easily reversible. There's certainly no need for a database or list of URLs or a cron script.

Moreover, when the browser can decode the shortened URL, it won't burden the network with all those useless lookups.

Re:How does one go out of business... (2, Insightful)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101886)

Great idea.

Now please take this url: []

and run it through your shortening function.

Who needs bittorrent!

Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102578)

[/.1 #30101886 @1444076]

The ultimate way to shorten a link is to use a 'referer' as an info source.

So... "/." means, "1" for first link, #(postid) @(article id)

Just use a simple mnemonic for popular websites.


Would mean the first link given in a status update on twitter status update #123456789


Would reference the 5th link given on revision 325825456 of the Linux article on Wikipedia.


Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

TheUni (1007895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101902)

It doesn't solve the problem, but on your own stuff you can just do it yourself. We just do a simple redirect, and get the benefit of tagging an analytics campaign as well.

Example: []


Re:How does one go out of business... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102112)

A "reversible hash" isn't a hash at all. What you're talking about is compression, and compression to a human-readable URL at that (meaning something like Base64 encoding). Unlike with URL shortening services, you won't be able to rely on URLs being a fixed length and some compressed URLs will still be too long.

Re:How does one go out of business... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101790)

You realize that cleaning out the links that haven't been clicked in X amount of days is exactly what is *wrong* with those services, right?

Re:How does one go out of business... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101794)

$6.99 a year for the domain with free standard hosting from GoDaddy and you're set. It's not like it's a particularly difficult task to create and run these types of sites. With a simple cron script to clear out links which haven't been clicked in X amount of days you won't even have to worry about your DB ballooning out of control. Throw up Google AdSense on the user facing side to draw in funds and point both GoDaddy and Google at the same bank account. Google giveth and GoDaddy taketh away. Throw in a hundred to start and you're good to go for a decade.

I can see you have no idea what your talking about. Your forgetting the server and bandwidth costs. You could be looking at $300 - $500 per month to start and going up from there. And Adsense won't work because no one is coming directly to your site.

Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102084)

How do they generate the shortened link without going to the site? The problem is that a shortened link is in perpetuity and you don't recoup those bandwidth and service costs through simple adsense on creation. A cron to remove links over a year old would be a better idea.

Re:How does one go out of business... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102360)

The vast majority are created via an API call to the site, e.g. as Twitter or any of its client sofware does.

Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

Jack9 (11421) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102392)

So I guess that's how they go out of business, by suicide.

Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

TavisJohn (961472) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102422)

Great! Then I can't wait for you to create your own URL Shortening service, and show them ALL how to do it correctly!

Some things you are forgetting about is...

Bandwidth. If you have thousands or millions of hits a month, even if they consume a tiny amount of bandwidth, adds up to ALOT.

CPU load, Every hit will also consume CPU resources as you site looks up the proper URL for the short URL it received...

Most shared hosting providers frown on one person consuming alot of the resources of a shared server.

So you have to add in the cost of dedicated server... And well you can see it grow from there...

However feel free to prove me and everyone else wrong by spending a few hundred dollars and have a URL shortening service that lasts a decade!

Re:How does one go out of business... (1)

TavisJohn (961472) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102440)

I ment millions of hits a day, not month... Sorry!

Necessary why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101592)

but with the rise of Twitter and its ilk they seem to be a necessary part of the landscape.

The fact that a website based on the horridly outdated USA SMS system needs URL shorteners does not convince me for a second that they're a necessary part of the landscape. Everywhere else on the internet, a few bytes aren't an issue and we can copy+paste long links anyway.

Re:Necessary why? (1)

munctional (1634709) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101772)

Is this a troll? The USA did not invent SMS.

solution in search of a problem (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101598)

I'm not sure what the point of this is - most links that would use a shortener are those with limited lifespans anyway. Twitter et al are generally of the "look at the cool article/video clip" The use in printed works I can somewhat see but even the underlying website for these things is likely to have changed during the intervening period if these links are more than a year old. This seems a solution in search of a problem.

Re:solution in search of a problem (2, Insightful)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101808)

Twitter et al are generally of the "look at the cool article/video clip

Seriously? You've NEVER looked at someone's post from 2--5 years ago, saw a link about something happening at the time, and wanted to follow it to see more? History should still be preserved for others, even if you think it's only of passing interest to you. In fact, most things are more interesting much later as culture changes and new facts are revealed than they are at the time, when the details of most things could be guessed at from the immediate context that everyone is immersed in just then. (1)

Machtyn (759119) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101620)

If is the largest, I wonder why I haven't heard of it. Granted, once you find one, then it's golden. But I've never seen a shortener. I've sone loads of hashes, but never any (2, Informative)

roju (193642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101680) is huge on twitter. It has mostly replaced tinyurl there. It became the default url shortener for twitter earlier in the year [] . (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101716)

says a lot about the stupidity of twitter users (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101836)

And for those for whom is too long, the makers of have a new domain: [] (1)

roju (193642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101888)

I feel like this race to the bottom would be helped if people came up with a widely accepted shorthand for "http://", which with domains is like 1/3 of the length of the url. Something like "@username" for urls. "//"? (1)

Tellarin (444097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102234)

This all could be solved by creating a new .gTLD. Say, .lnk or .url; and selling one letter domains with the requisite that they (the buyers of those) share/backup their databases somewhat like this proposed organization.

Simple and moderately clean.

Who wants 'em? (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101682)

URL shorteners are a scourge. As someone else pointed out, they're only really useful for Twitter, with its artificial post-length constraint. Anyone who links to a tinyurl on an actual Web site (such as Slashdot) should automatically be assumed to be a troll, because the only reason to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101760)

because the only reason to use an URL shortener is to conceal what you're actually linking to.

No, the only reason to use them is on systems that can't handle an html anchor tag or similar, because any decent web-enabled system can handle <a href="somelonglink">a short description</a>.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101942)

Concealing links is a common use.

Which links are more likely to be clicked by the people who might be offended/get in trouble by viewing it: [] []

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101996)

My point is that BOTH of these links are broken. They're supposed to be descriptive human-readable text that go to a url when clicked. You're not supposed to actually see the link at all. Whether people lie in their descriptions is another matter.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102266)

But even when you do that you see it when hovering over the link, and there's a group of people who won't click the first but will click the second. Sites like this one of course include the domain name without having to hover...

Re:Who wants 'em? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102664)

You are bitching about link formatting in an internet post. If that isn't a signal to go outside and get some fresh air, you are a lost cause.

Re:Who wants 'em? (2, Interesting)

Afforess (1310263) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101816)

I find very useful when I link to a download of some mod or custom content for a game. Adding a "+" symbol in front of the URL easily lets me know how many people have downloaded it, and what countries they were from, which is fairly useful information.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102000)

Considering that sending messages from A to B was and still is possible without Twitter, I'd say that means that url-shorteners serve no purpose at all.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

porter235 (413926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102456)

They are also nice for when the medium in which you are communicating the URL doesn't support hyperlinks... such as the printed word. Much easier to have someone type a bitly url (esp. if you give it a nice short name) than some longer url. The longer the URL the easier it is to make a mistake keying it in.

Re:Who wants 'em? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102474)

They are handy in /. signature blocks, which also have an artificial limit on length. is gone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30101722)

Funny, I still have 4 urls shortened by them and they all still work.

Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are for (1, Interesting)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101878)

These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway. They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext). Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).

The bigger issue is private databases, and that all these sites are independent, with separate domains and slightly different urls. The proper solution to that is probably to replace shortlinks with URNs, some DNS/directory/mirror protocol extension that allows browsers to find the nearest server that handles SHORTNAME://MYURN style links, and to essentially query it for "whatever webserver(s) can provide the file referred to by MYURN".

Re:Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are fo (1)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102206)

These private URL shortening sites shouldn't exist anyway. They're just a hack to support long urls on mediums that can't handle proper html-style linked text (aka hypertext). Those mediums are buggy should be upgraded (if only by footnote style guidelines).

Have fun upgrading SMS in the network back end, all the handsets that support it, and how it's billed across all carriers globally.

Re:Shouldn't exist anyway; that's what URNs are fo (1)

CarpetShark (865376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102238)

Not that the web should downgraded to support inferior systems, but mobile does have full web support these days, and there is such a thing as MMS these days.

So? (1)

dtml-try MyNick (453562) | more than 4 years ago | (#30101948)

Now, I may be missing something here...

But can someone enlighten me why it would be "problematic" if such a service would go out of business?

All they do is redirect to the original url. So where is the loss?
The original url is still there. If no one is able to find it without using the shortened url chances are pretty big it isn't much interresting anyway.

Re:So? (1)

Tellarin (444097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102278)

One simple example:

- You search through your e-mail messages for a link you need (for whatever reason) that some friend of yours sent you.
- You find the message.
- The link in the message is actually using a shortened URL.
- The company that made the redirection is out of business.
- You are screwed. (3, Interesting)

palpatine (94) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102032)

Does anyone else find it odd that the White House's twitter page uses urls when .ly is the top-level domain code for Libya? (1)

JStegmaier (1051176) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102436)

URLs in tweets are automatically converted to URLs if they over a certain amount of characters. (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102622)

You act surprised. Very few TLDs mean anything now.

But who catches them? (1)

nielsm (1616577) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102060)

But then what happens when 301Works dies?

The problem is Twitter itself (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102152)

That stupid characters limit is self-imposed, they're the ones who created the problem. The easiest solution is to not count HTML characters, meaning you could have a 200 characters URL but be limited in length for the anchor text itself.

It also does unnecessary traffic and adds a delay. Doesn't seem like much, but let's say in five years everybody does that:
1. You click a link
2. Your browser does a DNS request for the shortener domain
3. The shortener website takes the short URL, fetches it in its database
4. Your browser receives a redirect to a new domain
5. Your browser does a DNS request for the actual domain
6. The actual website is sent to your browser

Steps 1-4 are added only for the benefit of an artificial, self-imposed limit from ONE website?

Fuck Twitter.

Why do these services need backing up? (1)

drsparkly (65767) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102190)

From what I see they are just for transient things such as Twitter or blog posts - why would someone permanently link using one of these services?

Re:Why do these services need backing up? (2, Interesting)

DalDei (1032670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102320)

Exactly ! Shortened links should only be used for a life of a few days at most. Anything beyond that you should use the full URL. Who case if they go out of business. Now what *really* matters is where do "full URL's" go when those companies die ? Or move pages. The holy grail of a truely portable and perminent URI that has longer life then a particular web site that happens to host it has yet to see light. On the other hand, maybe its a good thing that data gets lost. We've done just great with maybe 0.0000001% data retention for the last 100,000 years.

Some websites are to blame too (4, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102328)

Some websites have user-friendly URLs, such as "". You don't even need to click that link to know what it's about.

Other websites have dumb, half-friendly URLs, where they add the backend technology inside the URL, such as "" (what's with the "index.cfm" in the URL?). If they fix that problem, all the links pointing to the current URL will break. If they ever change technology, it's also going to break the links from other websites.

And then we have the URLs designed by web monkeys, such as the link for Dell's new Adamo laptop: "". What the HELL is that thing? Even if we forget the parameters at the end, look at the path of that thing! I don't care how your crap is organized on the server, the URL should be much simpler than that!

And last, we have completely brain-dead URLs that seem to be created for computers only, without any chance of figuring out what kind of content is waiting for us on the other side of that link. Crap like "". We're lucky to see "notebook_computers" in the parameters, sometimes it's just a database reference number.

But even with crap URLs like that, unless you have to spell it, write it down or read it on a (paper) page, such links can be hidden behind simple anchor text such as Sony Laptops [] .

Twitter is its own problem, they should be the ones to fix their own mess. Someone could start a service similar to Twitter but without counting HTML code as being part of the X characters limit, which seems to be what the fuss is all about.

Maybe we could just issue unique IDs (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102478)

Maybe we could just issue unique IDs for everything on the Internet. I'm not sure how many would be enough. It could be 64-bits, or perhaps even 128, although you can be sure that if we did that some comittee would probably come up with a reason to gobble up bits. Then of course you'd need some bits for private URLs.

I'm not sure what you call it, but plainly some protocol is needed for all these URLs on the Internet. A kind of... "Internet Protocol", or IP for short. Yeah, that's it. Is anybody working on that?

(end sarcasm)

Shorteners are bad (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30102574)

Make the URLs/URIs/IRIs short in the first place, and get rid of the problem. (.html, leading double slash, trailing slash, www...)
And use title of page [] instead of plain IRI.
No need query servers with cryptic fake-URIs to get the real ones. Sending the full URIs actually /saves/ network traffic in the end.

Does the solve the "little guy" problem? (3, Interesting)

dmomo (256005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30102618)

One reason the link-rot threat is very real is the little guy.

I run a url-shortner (ish) service because it's fun and I can.

While, I would love to defend url shortners, my advice to a friend would be : don't use these for anything important. They are not to be used in place of bookmarks. If you have a site or a blog.. just use the real URL in the href. You can beautify it any way you would like inside the "Anchor" tag itself. We've been doing that for two decades now.

Also, the link-rot threat is quite real. SoCuteUrl is simply a fun way to send an otherwise cumbersome link. It's more memorable.. easy to write down, text, etc.

I run the site because it costs very very little to do so and is a very easy to thing to have set up. And, it's fairly easy to maintain.

This is where the problem lies. These are so easy to engineer that virtually anyone can do it. Yes, even slackers like myself with a tendency to flake out on personal projects.

301Works Looks like a decent solution. I will be evaluating it for my own site (

However, the membership fee, which does not exist now could prove problematic. My site makes no money. $1,000 a year may not be a lot of money for a site that makes some kind of profit, but it's a lot to support a hobby.
I think 301works may have to come up with a better way to support their costs. Since the biggest threat to link rot.. are the sites that don't make money! I think the membership fee if instated should be optional, and donations should be accepted. Or, perhaps the membership fee can be scaled down for sites with small dbs to upload.

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