Beta
×

Welcome to the Slashdot Beta site -- learn more here. Use the link in the footer or click here to return to the Classic version of Slashdot.

Thank you!

Before you choose to head back to the Classic look of the site, we'd appreciate it if you share your thoughts on the Beta; your feedback is what drives our ongoing development.

Beta is different and we value you taking the time to try it out. Please take a look at the changes we've made in Beta and  learn more about it. Thanks for reading, and for making the site better!

AMD Radeon HD 5970 Dual-GPU Card Sweeps Benchmarks

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the when-only-the-honkingest-will-do dept.

AMD 201

MojoKid writes "AMD launched yet another high-end graphics card based on their Radeon HD 5800 series technology, and this time it's a dual-GPU variant. Considering the fact that AMD's Radeon HD 5870 is currently the fastest single-GPU powered graphics card currently on the market, the new dual-GPU powered Radeon HD 5970 should offer performance that completely outclasses any other single graphics card on the market right now. The card has 3200 stream processors under the hood, though its graphics engines are built on 40nm manufacturing technology, so power consumption isn't actually too insane. The card does exceptionally well in the usual benchmarks, as expected." HotHardware has begun providing single-page views — a user-friendly decision. PCPer.com also has coverage. And pcpro.co.uk wonders whether, at 13" (33 cm) in length, the new card will even fit in most PC cases.

cancel ×

201 comments

Sorry! There are no comments related to the filter you selected.

Don't forget Anandtech (4, Informative)

distantbody (852269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142362)

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (2, Funny)

killmenow (184444) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142370)

Or Poland

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142400)

or Sweden

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142602)

or Biden

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142624)

Can we at least forget Palin? Please?

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (2, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142698)

Don't try. I spent thousands of dollars on counseling, but alas, it was in vain. The memory remains.

Re:Don't forget Anandtech (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144882)

With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues on smaller cases.

With such a long card, there are going to be some definite fitting issues even on many larger cases. Is it time for me to bring my SC-750A cases back into use?

asf (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142378)

first porst!

Re:asf (2, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142420)

first porst!

Actually you were second. Betting you wish you had that graphics card now so that the page would have rendered quicker allowing you to post faster :)

Re:asf (1, Funny)

bluesatin (1350681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142518)

He couldn't fit it in his case, you insensitive clod!

Re:asf (2, Funny)

weirdcrashingnoises (1151951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142608)

That's what she said...

games? (4, Funny)

f3r (1653221) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142380)

Does any game need that monster, or is it for parallel computing using CUDA??

In any case I can imagine the computer roaring under my table...and myself in a corner crying like a baby out of fear.

Re:games? (2, Informative)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142484)

Does anyone have much luck getting full performance, or even function at all with these Radeon cards on Linux boxes? I pretty much stick to NVIDIA to this point...are the drivers there and working more now for the AMD cards?

Re:games? (2, Informative)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142646)


Are you kidding? Driver support for Radeon is excellent now - better than NVIDIA. And it's continuing to improve. I think there are some older cards that are still badly supported.

Re:games? (3, Informative)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142728)

better, like good hardware accelerated video decoding?

Or are you comparing open source drivers?

I know Nvidia has some suck in its drivers too, but the ATI ones are terrible.

Re:games? (1)

HonIsCool (720634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142832)

Since when? I bought a Radeon HD 4830 early this year and it was pretty much unusable in Linux. Ok, I was trying to run Compiz, but my old nVidia 6600GT had no problem doing that, while the Radeon had trouble even with something as simple as just moving an xterm window, and not too seldom everything would just freeze and even lock up. In Windows (and Windows Vista at that!) it worked just great though. Since then I've switched to running Linux on my second workstation and plopped a fanless nVidia 8600GT in there and it runs just swell. I bought the Radeon partly because of AMD opening up the specs but the open driver just didn't work with 3D, so I tried using the proprietary one, and yeah, that was an improvement (a very slight indeed). In the end, Linux basically looked ridiculous in comparison to Windows using the Radeon card, whereas I've had no troubles at all with nVidia. If AMD has improved their driver, or even more spectacularly, if the open driver is now actually in a usable state, well, maybe I would be willing to give Radeon on Linux another try, but I'll believe it when I see it...

Re:games? (3, Insightful)

h4rm0ny (722443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142946)


Odd. I have either the 4830 or 4850 (I can't remember which) and it's working fine under Linux (I use the proprietary drivers). Oh well, sorry to hear that. I should have known when I said support was good I'd immediately get posts from people who'd had problems. Hopefully they'll resolve your issues soon. The release cycle seems pretty fast - certainly far, far better than it used to be.

Re:games? (2, Insightful)

guruevi (827432) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142732)

No. NVIDIA's binary blob as well as the open source versions still work better than the ATi cards in any machine. Heck, I would say the ATi drivers don't work very well in Windows.

Re:games? (1)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142888)

Agreed on the Windows comment. I have had no end of trouble with ATI hardware under Windows. I refuse to buy from them anymore.

Re:games? (1)

lorenzo.boccaccia (1263310) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143228)

I personally got one HD3670 totaled by a driver update. now it displays five large vertical rubbish bands over the normal view: one of the condenser popped out, and the relevant memory is borked. I'm amazed that other pixels still works unaffected.

I wonder if I could just replace that condenser. Probably people with more skill could. I bough an 8800gt for approx. 80€ instead, but it's not as if I found better drivers. I got random freezes up until now under Vista. Windows 7 crashed every minutes or so, but the last driver revision magically fixed everything, only now its performance is terrible (I used to play Empire:TW at max detail on 1024x768, now it can barely handle medium)

So it has been an hell on both fronts for me. For the next video card... meh. Probably ATI again, but surely middle to low end, and never again top of the line stuff. I'll let others be early adopters, the burned me one time to many (with an hp touchsmart tx2)

Re:games? (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144952)

Got a broken card? Here is a solution [humus.name] !

PS: Don't try this at home kids.

Re:games? (2, Interesting)

Fweeky (41046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142976)

ATI drivers work well enough for me in Win XP, Windows Vista and Windows 7, on a HD3200, 4870 and 5870 respectively.

On the other hand the nForce 4 chipset on my motherboard died and my 8800GTS 512 died, so I tend to avoid their stuff now.

Aren't anecdotes great?

Re:games? (3, Informative)

Cornelius the Great (555189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143266)

ATI drivers used to be BAD. My old Radeon 7500 couldn't even handle glxgears without crashing. ATI drivers have gotten remarkably better since the AMD merger, and my radeon HD4850 handles compiz just as well as my Geforce 8800GTX.

In windows, I'm seeing more stability in games with the ATI card. Anecdotal, yes, but I believe that ATI's drivers have certainly improved on both Windows and Linux and no longer deserve their former reputation.

Re:games? (1)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143370)

I still hold a grudge against nVidia after the crap drivers they put out initially when Windows XP came out. Lets not get into the mess the old nForce RAID controller drivers make, and there are plenty of unhappy folks with crackling X-Fis (although Creative is mostly to blame for that one). I did make a bit of money fixing machines with those driver problems though.

Re:games? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144662)

nVidia chipsets are gigantic failures, especially under Linux, or any version of Windows other than that for which they were designed (and they very much were - or at least, any necessary workarounds went into the drivers for Windows.) But amusingly, I have an nForce-something (2?) machine with 6150LE graphics, and while the chipset is a source of hassle (suspend/resume was flaky even under windows) the video card part of the system was solid even under Linux. Now I have a Phenom II 720 with AMD chipset and an nVidia video card and I am very happy, yea, even unto Karmic x64.

Re:games? (1)

anss123 (985305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144896)

Odd, my nForce 2 worked happily with Vista (I don't use suspend though). When I had a T-bird CPU instead of a Athlon XP I had odd issues since Nvidia drivers and some software behave oddly on systems without SSE (no error message telling me in need SSE, just odd behavior and BSODs - bastards).

Re:games? (1)

L0rdJedi (65690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144936)

That's funny, I've never had a single problem with any nVidia chipsets or graphics cards and that's pretty much all I buy.

Re:games? (2, Interesting)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143556)

I have a machine with an ATI 4870 card that dual boots Ubuntu 9.10 and Windows 7. I haven't had any issues at all and it just plain worked out of the box with both operating systems.

I finally got to see what all the hoopla was with Crysis. :)

Also, Ubuntu 9.10 + compiz seems to work just fine on my 3 year old laptop with an ATI Mobility Radeon x1600. Again, I didn't do anything special and it just plain worked without any intervention from me.

Re:games? (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142582)

For those of us that skip a performance generation, the answer is hell yes. Not only does it allow us to play the games you've been enjoying in "pretty view" but will give us other support we've been missing.

# 3D stereoscopic display/glasses support
# Integrated HD audio controller
# Output protected high bit rate 7.1 channel surround sound over HDMI with no additional cables required
# Supports AC-3, AAC, Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio formats

Re:games? (4, Interesting)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142916)

The problem for me is, what the heck games would I play on it?

It's overkill (hell, any 3 year old video board I could buy at Goodwill Computer is overkill) for any MMORPG. Any in any other field, the game companies have all pretty much abandoned the PC anyways, what you get these days is nothing but ports of something originally designed for a console.

We don't need "more powerful" video boards. We need well written, well designed, must-play, PC-only titles that show off what the PC, and only the PC, can offer. And that ain't happening. When MS Game Studios went "all Xbox, all the time", shit all over great franchises like Mechwarrior and Crimson Skies, and left a generation of gamers thinking Halo was 'tha be5t th1ng EVAR', the PC was doomed. It's only gotten worse with Activision, EA, and the rest following suit.

The PC didn't die as a gaming platform, but it's barely hanging on life support these days and the only thing keeping it going is the MMORPG market. Sad.

Re:games? (1)

Inda (580031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143470)

They made their bed, now they lie in it. If they hadn't burned my fingers with "buy now, patch in 4 months, maybe get to play the game then" I'd still be on the constant upgrade path. Consols didn't kill the PC market, the developers did.

Re:games? (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144284)

Drakensang, The Witcher, and Dragon Age.

Buy them nao.

Re:games? (1)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144530)

# Maximum board power: 294 Watts
# Idle board power: 42 Watts

300 watts? Just for the video board? That's insane. Throw in power supply inefficiency, and the power needed to run the rest of the machine (cpus, etc), AND the power for a decent display for this (after all, anything less than a 30" won't "do justice" to the card), and you'd better make sure this is on a power circuit by itself. Over its lifetime, this thing could end up eating $1,000.00 or more of electricity. Oh well, you could always use the heat exhaust to heat up your mom's basement.

Re:games? (1)

jandrese (485) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144994)

This is exactly what I've noticed over the past few years. Almost all big name PC games now are Console ports, and the consoles are nowhere near as graphically powerful as even a mid-range PC solution these days, meaning that even people with older cards like 8800GTs still get more than acceptable performance out of pretty much every game on the market that isn't Crysis.

I fear this entire generation of cards will be overkill (bordering on gross overkill) until the next generation of consoles come out.

Re:games? (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143394)

Yes, but will it help browse /. any faster?

Re:games? (1)

WaroDaBeast (1211048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142784)

CUDA only works on nVidia [wikipedia.org] graphics card.

Re:games? (1)

drei22 (1026046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143188)

If you are crying in the corner from hearing PC fans blow that would mean you are a little Biatch! Nuff said...

Re:games? (1)

Taxman415a (863020) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143540)

If you read TFA you'll see that Crysis pretty much requires one of these very high end cards to run at high resolutions and better than 30 frames per second. That's not really what interests me though. The fact that this card has nearly a teraflop of double precision floating point processing power is the most impressive for GPGPU applications. GPGPU applications typically don't care about the single precision number that the card companies like to point out. To figure out what the integer capabilities are you really have to look at the specific problem.

Too bad AMD isn't putting much focus on GPGPU and has only released a beta SDK that still is more difficult to use than CUDA. Nvidia's Tesla [nvidia.com] only has 78 gigaflops double precision, but it has 4GB of RAM on it. If AMD put the focus on that a bit, they could crush Nvidia.

Re:games? (1)

mog007 (677810) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143686)

AMD cards don't support CUDA.

I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142384)

Obviously, a card like this is pretty dubiously practical for virtually any application, and exists entirely to soak up the least cost sensitive gaming enthusiasts and the latest round of benchmark bragging rights(and, possibly, as the beta test for a much more expensive workstation equivalent, once the drivers are in order).

For benchmark bragging rights, it doesn't even have to fit into a case. It'll just be tested benchtop, get the numbers it needs, and be a success. For price-insensitive gaming enthusiasts, it barely matters if it fits in an existing case. The sort of people who buy the top-of-the-line card(rather than the 90% of the performance, 50% of the price model) can (and will) just buy a new case.

Re:I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (1)

Tridus (79566) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142434)

Honestly getting cards to fit has been a problem for a while, and this is just a worse then usual example. I'm glad they are bringing it up. My GTX 260 barely fits in my case, and it's not exactly a small case.

The board manufacturers seem to have lost touch with people who want hardware that can actually be installed without requiring substantial case modification.

Re:I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142594)

Or case manufacturers could, oh I don't know make cases that support cards that are the maximum length of what is allowed in the PCI-E spec? Even these new cards are still a little shorter than the maximum allowed.

Re:I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (2, Informative)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142944)

Very true. I have had to deal with some of these max length cards, it is definitely not a AMD or NVIDIA problem, it is a case manufacturer problem.

Re:I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (2, Informative)

NJRoadfan (1254248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143514)

I guess the case makers forgot the days of full length VLB and ISA cards. The spec calls for 13.3 inch cards max, most cards are half that length nowadays. Of course this isn't a new problem, Tandy was infamous for building the cases of their 1000 line of computers too short to accept the then-common full length cards.

Re:I'm not sure why PCpro is whining... (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144376)

Hell, my 8800GT barely fit in my CoolerMaster Centurion 5.

The problem is.... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142396)

That it's an ATI card. It has been my experience that AMD/ATI just doesn't support their cards in other operating systems such as Linux as well as NVIDIA. I like to run operating systems other than Windows.

Re:The problem is.... (3, Insightful)

Sir_Lewk (967686) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142510)

While proprietary support for ATI cards in linux can indeed suck, they do have far better support from the Free drivers. Of course, if you are buying this card to use with the Free drivers, you probably need to rethink your purchase.

That said, I'm a linux user who doesn't do heavy gaming so I don't get big expensive graphics cards, and ATI will be my first choice for the forseeable future.

Re:The problem is.... (3, Informative)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142998)

I will agree that open-source drivers for ATI cards are fantastic (and binary drivers are truly terrible). I'm using the new (using release candidates of kernel 2.6.32) r600 hardware acceleration support, and it's already working very well for me (mostly for Google Earth and Kwin desktop effects, both of which work flawlessly and very smoothly).

However, I would caution that support for the chip mentioned in this article (Radeon Evergreen) is marked as "TODO" [x.org] . Presumably, it should progress relatively fast, because AMD is basically being helpful.

Nvidia deserves some credit for updating their binary driver regularly, and making helpful changes very fast when alphas of KDE 4 started showing up performance issues in some previously rarely-used features, but AMD has done rather better by actually providing documentation to freedesktop people (even if ATI never maintained their own binary driver very well at all).

Not yet listed at NewEgg or ZipZoomFly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142406)

If I can't buy it, does it exist yet?

Nvidia (1, Troll)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142432)

In other news Nvidia just released a sub 100$ card.
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/2035200/NVIDIA-Ships-Decent-DX10-Graphics-Card-For-Under-100

The technology idols can fall over-night. Let's hope they can come back, it's bad for consumers to have only 1 option.

Re:Nvidia (1)

citizenr (871508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142644)

In other news Nvidia just released a sub 100$ card. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/11/17/2035200/NVIDIA-Ships-Decent-DX10-Graphics-Card-For-Under-100 [slashdot.org] The technology idols can fall over-night. Let's hope they can come back, it's bad for consumers to have only 1 option.

Nvidias new sub $100 card is slower than last generation sub $100 9600GSO 384MB and TWO generations old sub $100 8800GS 384MB.

Re:Nvidia (2, Informative)

Coren22 (1625475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142964)

But it supports DX10, and that is the big deal.

Re:Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30143278)

The 8800GT supports DX10, I bought one for about $100 over a year ago on sale, and it blows the 240 out of the water on all benchmarks. Then again, it was recognized as an anomaly when it came out.

Re:Nvidia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30144852)

So did the two cards mentioned in the parent's post. That is why the new card SUCKS!

look,nike ugg jordan shoes,coach,gucci handbag (-1, Offtopic)

coolforsale110 (1681052) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142520)

http://www.coolforsale.com/ [coolforsale.com] Christmas is around the corner: And old customers can also enjoy the gifts sent by my company in a can also request to our company. Gifts lot,Buy more get the moreOnly this site have this treatmentOur goal is "Best quality, Best reputation , Best services". Your satisfaction is our main pursue. You can find the best products from us, meeting your different needs. Ladies and Gentlemen weicome to my coolforsale.com.Here,there are the most fashion products . Pass by but don't miss it.Select your favorite clothing! Welcome to come next time ! Thank you! ugg boot,POLO hoody,Jacket, Air jordan(1-24)shoes $33 Nike shox(R4,NZ,OZ,TL1,TL2,TL3) $35 Handbags(Coach lv fendi d&g) $35 Tshirts (Polo ,ed hardy,lacoste) $16 free shipping,competitive price,any size available,accept the paypal Thanks

Not linux (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142526)

Too bad ati's linux drivers are an absolute crap :(

I'll be very pleased to be proved wrong.

AMD's Idea of "Launch" (2, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142550)

This is a comment on AMD's business, marketing, and PR, rather than their technical team. AMD has unquestionably won the latest round against NVidia, who will have to wait until next year (and miss the holidays) before they have a shot at retaking the top performer and price-performance crowns back.

But let's be real. The 5850 and 5870 have already "launched" too. But unfortunately AMD's idea of a "launch" is "you can buy it 4-16 weeks from now."

I see a lot of companies "making their deadlines" this way. i.e. by not actually making them. Surprised at how often the press gives them a pass on it.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (4, Informative)

Astatine (179864) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142896)

Anecdotally, the situation is not as bad as "4-6 weeks". I have a 5850. I pre-ordered it a couple of days before launch. I got it the following week.

According to the web forum of the retailer I shopped with (overclockers.co.uk) the stock has been trickling in in small shipments. If the shipments are never quite large enough to finish off the retailer's pre-order book, the item may never appear as "in stock" on the website (giving the impression there aren't any around at all), even though people who order are actually getting them reasonably promptly.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (2, Insightful)

Concern (819622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142988)

Oh, I have no doubt a few thousand of them have shipped overall. But these cards launched in September. They are still so far off from meeting demand that it is a joke.

Have a look around for your card today. You will find every retailer out of stock. ETAs are now running into December when they are given at all. And you will find it on ebay, for a ~25-50% premium. Most customers who want this (at anywhere near the MSRP) are still waiting 2 months after the launch, and that could turn to 3 months or more.

Imagine if every company "launched" this way.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (2, Interesting)

Astatine (179864) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143062)

If the availability situation now is worse than it was at launch, that's distressing.

There may be a technical reason for the supply problems. Take with a pinch of salt, since this is Charlie Demerjian:

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/11/16/ati-58xx-parts-delayed-bit-more/ [semiaccurate.com]

I suspect that if you're in the market for a high end video card now, you're still better off ordering a 58xx than waiting for Fermi.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (1)

Cassini2 (956052) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143546)

I bought a 5870 shortly after launch with no issues. After the reviews came out and circulated, one of the salesman at the same store said "Who did you kill to get a 5870?"

It is immediately before Christmas, all hot new products are in short supply. Also, I think the suppliers were blowing out inventory at the end of August, which temporarily reduced prices and also reduced inventory for the Christmas season. I was comparing pricing at the end of August to current for the identical and similar product. DRAM modules prices are up 78%, for the exact same modules. Processors are in short supply, and pricing is up. OCZ Vertex hard drives are in short supply, and the price is up 24%. Motherboard pricing is up 38%. What are you expecting?

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (1)

Concern (819622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143872)

Of course they shipped a few thousand of them. I should have added a disclaimer at the bottom that I didn't need to hear from each one of the lucky few who managed to get one. :)

What was I expecting? To be able to buy their "launched" product, within 2-3 months after the launch, at or near MSRP.

Hey, all I'm saying is, to call this a "launch" is a joke. I think AMD would be smart to say "limited availability" and jack the price so that they are capturing ebay dollars instead of letting lucky people like you make a profit on MSRP vs. real value of the goods, and screw over themselves and their retailers.

Lots of products are launched for the holidays. If you can't do something ("launch", "MSRP") don't advertise that you can. But they can't do that, because then some pissant vendors and/or middle management would have to fess up to the fact that they blew their deadline, and they cannot capture all the dollars they could have, if for instance they actually could do what they claimed (sell product X at price Y, right now).

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30144406)

Rumour has it TSMC's 40nm process yields took a turn for the worse a while ago. If that's correct, it isn't AMD's fault. They apparently said supply should be back in line by mid-December.

A paper launch would normally see no cards for a few weeks, with anounced 'real' availability dates.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (1)

jsoderba (105512) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143762)

It's not really AMD's fault. I'm sure they are as concerned about missing the hoilday sales rush as you are. TSMC promised them lots of 40nm chips and failed to deliver. There is no one else who can do 40nm chips, so AMD is screwed until chip makers roll out 32nm production lines and AMD can finish designing a 32nm chip.

Re:AMD's Idea of "Launch" (1)

Concern (819622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143940)

Yup, that seems to be the case. But it _is_ AMD's fault that they claimed they had a "launch" in September - in fact they go right on with the fantasy and "launch" even more products they can't actually sell in November. Why not instead just be honest with senior management, and with customers and retailers, and call this what it is: "limited availability."

Fix your damn drivers! (4, Insightful)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142562)

Honestly, the card can be the hottest thing in existence but if the system reboots due to a driver (per the system log) and there are numerous complaints, maybe you should spend more time getting the drivers right.

I have a pair of ATI 4870's. When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great. When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts. Occasionally the system will reboot during regular Windows startup. Log errors indicate a problem with an ati driver. (I have three monitors. Going into crossfire loses access to the other card with two monitors so I have to come out of crossfire to recover.)

Comments in the forums is to upgrade the drivers. But jeeze, I have to use a registry cleaner and driver cleaner to get every little bit of older ati driver from the system or I have no end of driver problems when I upgrade. Once it's cleaned and an upgrade installed, it brings it back to the occasional reboot and reboot when coming back from Crossfire.

If you can't get your drivers right, people won't buy your cards more than once and the folks that do and experience problems will turn folks away from your business. I know I recount this story on the forums I frequent.

[John]

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142626)

I always buy nVidia because it may not always be the fastest, but it will always work better than ATI, especially on Linux. If you happen to be able to use the free ATI driver, I hear things are pretty good :)

The thing that makes this utterly pathetic is that I've been having problems with ATI drivers since the Mach32. All these years, and ATI still can't figure out how these driver thingies work.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (1)

StayFrosty (1521445) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144810)

My experience has been quite the opposite. I used to use nVidia cards because of their Linux drivers but the 8800GT changed my mind. When the 8800GT came out I was getting the same performance in Linux as I was getting with my old 7900GT. In Windows the 8800 blew the 7900 out of the water. I installed a friend's HD3870 just to try it. I ended up buying one of my own the next day. I've bought a few other ATI cards since then and I have been perfectly happy with them. OTOH, the nvidia card in my media center refuses to read the EDID of my projector. It works fine with the old version of the driver (about a year old) and it's fine if I use an ATI card. It almost seems as though the situation has reversed.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144898)

OTOH, the nvidia card in my media center refuses to read the EDID of my projector.

Linux nVidia driver only reads EDID 1.x, no 2.0. If the manufacturer fails to put a useful backup EDID 1.x as required by EDID 2.0 spec then you end up having to fuck with modelines (I did it under the free 'nv' driver on a HP laptop with a Quadro and a bad fallback EDID for the internal flat panel, then put those modelines into a conf for the nvidia driver. So yes, that is retarded. But the manufacturer of your projector is probably ultimately responsible for not following spec. It certainly would be nice if Linux would implement EDID 2.x in the Linux driver, though.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (1)

ByOhTek (1181381) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142718)

I've had similar experiences in Windows and agree wholeheartedly.

That, in combination with the fact that there is no viable 3D with ATi on FreeBSD, leads me to use pretty much anyone other than ATi for my graphics chips, when possible.

Oh, and while you can hack their drivers to install on notebooks pretty easily, ATi still puts the stupid checks in the software to prevent the drivers from installing on notebooks.

So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

mosel-saar-ruwer (732341) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142844)



When I put it into Crossfire mode, the games work great. When I take them back out of crossfire, the system can reboot 4 or 5 times during Windows startup before the system finally starts.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143078)

Didn't read the whole comment, eh? :)

When not gaming I use a three monitor setup. Left in portrait for viewing pdfs, center for the open ssh windows for programming, and right for the browser to see if what I'm doing is working and throw up any errors when I miss something.

When I want to game, I bring it into crossfire mode. That shuts off the video output on the second card which disables the two 17" LCDs and leaves the 21" CRT active. When I'm done gaming and want to reactivate the two LCDs, I flip off crossfire mode which requires a reboot. Upon startup though, the system may reboot 4 or 5 more times.

If I had a dedicated gaming machine, I'd have a... console :)

Some games (like Quake and Doom) don't run unless I deactivate the other two monitors before entering the game (when not enabling crossfire so both cards video output are active).

[John]

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143654)

When I want to game, I bring it into crossfire mode. That shuts off the video output on the second card which disables the two 17" LCDs and leaves the 21" CRT active. When I'm done gaming and want to reactivate the two LCDs, I flip off crossfire mode which requires a reboot. Upon startup though, the system may reboot 4 or 5 more times.

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong, but my two 4850's didn't force me to reboot under Windows XP to enter or leave crossfire mode, and neither do they do it under Windows 7...

So unless you have some app running that keeps using Direct3D (which obviously would be something that prevents toggling crossfire) something's very weird on your end...

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143796)

Meh, scratch that - just read the 9.11 release notes and found this:

"Resolved Issues for All Windows Operating Systems

Now able to enable and disable CrossFire when three displays are configured in
extended mode"

I guess me usually running only 2 displays with my projector on the second card disabled most of the time never made me run into this...

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143960)

Yea, one of the real problems was that I started chasing the 8.x and 9.x drivers from ATI and didn't thoroughly remove all the prior ATI drivers first. I'd uninstall and reboot but (based on my final cleanup) there are other entries and drivers that can't be removed via the uninstall process. I would have problem after problem with drivers and reboots until I finally just removed the second card. Heck at one point I could not get my system to come up after upgrading to a 9.x driver. I downreved to 8.x and when it didn't work quite right, I upgraded again to 9.x and it worked. Finally, when I purchased the second 4870, used a driver and registry cleaner to clean every bit of ATI driver from the system, and then installed the current driver suite from Diamond, the reboot problem really dropped down to a low, once in a while problem.

I'll check the Diamond site and see if there's a new suite. I really don't go into Crossfire that often as most games don't support it but the ones that do really look great.

[John]

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (2, Informative)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144902)

>

I'll check the Diamond site and see if there's a new suite. I really don't go into Crossfire that often as most games don't support it but the ones that do really look great.

It's up to you, but why anyone would look at the card manufacturer's site for recent driver is really beyond me - if you want drivers for the desktop, go to the chipset manufacturer's site...

Almost all of those cards are exact copies of the reference design modulo some fancy cooling solution - there's nothing for the manufacturers to do other than slapping their logo on the driver.

Re:So run it in Crossfire mode. (1)

StayFrosty (1521445) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144828)

That's odd. I turn crossfire on and off on my 4850's all the time without having to reboot.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (2, Interesting)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143802)

No such problems here with a dual HD4670 setup.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (1)

Bigbutt (65939) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144022)

Oh I'm sure there are lots of folks who don't have problems. I don't know what your setup is but problems can be caused by many factors which is what makes tracking them down such a frustrating experience. In my case, I checked my system logs and did a google search on the error and there were numerous reports with the same question. The answer was to disable some feature in the driver. Unfortunately that wasn't an option with my drivers which was why I started chasing driver upgrades from ATI. Eventually with a new 4870, cleaning out everything ATI, and installing the Diamond suite, the problem dropped to a boot once in a while and the crossfire issue.

[John]

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30144612)

I installed Windows 7 yesterday, and it seems like the Win 7 ATI drivers are not nearly as flaky as the WinXP ones. I don't know about Crossfire as I only have one card, but it seems like AMD turned a new leaf with driver development for Vista/Win7

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30144778)

Exactly why I continue to use nVidia. Especially for the Linux support. nVidia isn't perfect but still better. People talk up ATI all the time but every single time I have ever tried an ATI card it has given me tons of problems (has OpenGL ever worked right on an ATI card?!). My nVidia cards on the other hand have been nearly trouble free.

Re:Fix your damn drivers! (1)

zipherx (1150327) | more than 4 years ago | (#30145052)

This is exactly the reason why, we at my Internet cafe, have used nvidia for the last 9 years. I really want to see nice competition to nvidia, just to get new products faster, but....... really they need to make unified driver model like nvidia, and actually strive to make it work on ALL platforms, before they will get more market share.

Right now, it is only the people who just see benchmarks and buy. The rest of us can then enjoy a 100% stable system with nvidia, thanks. Having a 8800GT on third year now, is still a thrill.. and i run all the newest games in 1920x1280. (mostly playing rpg and strategy games though, no fps's)

a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter tha (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142612)

a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter that this card has should also come with all apple systems but wait they don't even offer a cable like that at all.

also why did they not test 2 of this card in crossfire?

Re:a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter (1)

Tukz (664339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142780)

Why do you want to put in CF?
That's 4 GPU's, isn't that a bit of a overkill with GPU's of this type?

NOTHING out there will come even close to straining this dual card, so CF would be rather pointless imo.

Re:a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter (1)

nedlohs (1335013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142826)

The bank wouldn't let them have a HELOC, so they could only afford one. So blame the "credit crunch".

Re:a free mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort adapter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30143150)

Not from Mac but.....

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10246&cs_id=1024606

OpenCL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30142744)

Time to start working in OpenCL and putting a pair of these in crossfire mode!

Legacy in 2 Years Time? (2, Insightful)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142800)

Judging by this year's AMD/ATI driver support, support for this card will probably be considered "legacy" and cease to be maintaned in a couple of years.

That means no more xorg/kernel updates for you!

If the drivers were *truly* open sourced this would never be an issue.

Of course you can buy a "supported" card every 2 years and upgrade.
If you have a laptop with a "legacy" card, well your pretty much f*****!

Thanks but no thanks

Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time? (1)

confused one (671304) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143026)

I've not had this problem and my laptops all have AMD processors and chipsets. What are you running that isn't supported?

Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time? (2, Informative)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143410)

My laptop is an AMD Sempron with ATI "R300M xpress".

The last ATI driver to support the chipset was 9.3 - the current version is 9.10ish(?).

For a good few years I have enjoyed 3d acceleration with 9.3 drivers and xorg 1.4.2 (Slackware 12.2).

However, Slackware 13 contains the latest xorg drivers (1.6) and guess what? the latest xorg is not suppported by 9.3.

I can use the open-source version of the driver but 3d acceleration is pretty poor in comparison.

Even if they fully open-sourced the legacy drivers then this would not be an issue - otherwise I am screwed.

Most current linux distribution use the latest xorg drivers - this means I will have to "downgrade" to older xorg drivers to enjoy "proper" 3d performance.

A workable but painful option for me.

Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time? (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143752)

My laptop is an AMD Sempron with ATI "R300M xpress".

The last ATI driver to support the chipset was 9.3 - the current version is 9.10ish(?).

Actually, as of right now it's 9.11 (knock yourself out here [amd.com] ), which happens to also have been released for their "older" products (like your 300M) that only get driver updates (without new features) every few months...

Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time? (2, Insightful)

Mad Merlin (837387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144180)

Either you're mistaken or ATI's driver download page is broken. They still list 9.3 as the latest driver for anything before the 2000 series.

See: http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.7&lang=English [amd.com]

AMD may periodically provide Windows XP and Windows Vista driver updates (for the products listed above) for critical fixes only. No new features will be provided in future driver updates. The Linux ATI Catalyst driver will only be supported in Linux distributions prior to February 2009 for the legacy products listed above.

All future ATI Catalyst releases made available past the ATI Catalyst 9.3 release will not include support for the legacy products listed above or any of the features associated with those legacy products.

I think you're confusing ATI with Nvidia... Nvidia still supports all of their cards back to the TNT2 with their binary blob. There's no new features for older cards of course, but they'll actually work with modern Xorg and kernels.

Re:Legacy in 2 Years Time? (1)

Briareos (21163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144850)

I think you're confusing ATI with Nvidia...

Actually, I was confusing Linux with Windows - but who the hell wants binary blobs for Linux anyway when the specs for the hardware are out there?

im a nvidia fanboy but... (1)

cryoman23 (1646557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30142856)

this is really cool and if they get linux support i might consider switching sides...unless nvidia gets a tri GUI card :)(hopes for that or better in the 300 series...)

Vaporware (2, Informative)

mseeger (40923) | more than 4 years ago | (#30143368)

For me the news reads: ATI anounces a new, faster graphics card which is as unavailable as the previous one.

Re:Vaporware (1)

royallthefourth (1564389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144350)

It may be easier to find available in stock because this one costs $600 according to Phoronix. That'll really push some people out of the market!

Re:Vaporware (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30145102)

It's not vaporware if it's in production, dumbass.

From personal experience (0, Offtopic)

edwartr (1182951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144012)

Well, I will say that I am glad that there is such heavy competition between nvidia and ATI; but I will also say that I do computer repair work for a living (over 15 years). I have had pretty much nothing but problems out of ATI cards over and over again. Driver errors, system lockups, etc. I have used all of the tools from both nvidia and ATI to make sure all drivers have removed from a system before putting in a new Radeon; but it is amazing that even going from one Radeon to another I get the same errors as going from an nvidia to an ATI card. ATI's technical support has always been very friendly but rarely can even help with the problem. Their normal solution: it must be a bad card so take it back and replace it. One time I did that just for shits and giggles - well I did it for 4 times until the local Best Buy said enough try something else. I put in a nvidia and it worked PERFECTLY the first time. I really wanted the Radeon to work. It was cheaper and from the benchmarks, had a little better performance than the geforce. But I wasted much money in time trying to get the thriced-damned radeon to work than I did paying $20 more for the geforce. This has happened again and again with ATI cards. I have tons of issues, get frustrated and get an nvidia card which works perfectly. So I swear off ATI. Then months down the road, the radeon gets awesome reviews and is cheaper so I 'give in' and try again. And the result - the same shit. So, I finally just said NO MORE, and told my clients to use only nvidia cards unless they are willing to pay for all of the time I have to fight with any ATI cards. What has happened? I have had no graphic card problems when installing new cards. Is this the same for everyone? NO. I have friends that do the same thing I do and most of them have had no where near the same problems with ATI cards. But for me, no more ATI Radeon cards.

Re:From personal experience (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30144880)

I have friends that do the same thing I do and most of them have had no where near the same problems with ATI cards. But for me, no more ATI Radeon cards.

I know I don't know you, so forgive me for being a douche, but...maybe you should think about changing careers?

Load More Comments
Slashdot Login

Need an Account?

Forgot your password?

Submission Text Formatting Tips

We support a small subset of HTML, namely these tags:

  • b
  • i
  • p
  • br
  • a
  • ol
  • ul
  • li
  • dl
  • dt
  • dd
  • em
  • strong
  • tt
  • blockquote
  • div
  • quote
  • ecode

"ecode" can be used for code snippets, for example:

<ecode>    while(1) { do_something(); } </ecode>