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William Gibson's Neuromancer Staged With Porn Star

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the are-you-familiar-with-her-work dept.

Sci-Fi 204

destinyland writes "Sunday night saw a reading of the William Gibson's classic cyberpunk novel featuring porn star Sasha Grey at a New York art museum, along with sculpture-props simulating virtual reality. Artist Brody Condon promised to combine 'Gibson's 1980s dystopian techno-fetishism with early twentieth-century abstraction,' but the editor of H+ magazine challenges that description. 'In a 1993 interview, Gibson himself told me: "I think my world looks dystopian if you're a middle class white guy doing reasonably well in 1993... There are so many places in the world today that are so much crappier than anything I'm writing about."' And earlier this month William Gibson shared his response to a blog post about the event. 'Gol' dang! It's news to me!'"

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BY GOLLY, FIRST POST! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201738)

BY GOLLY, FIRST POST!

Not a play, just (1)

Zerth (26112) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201740)

"The performance event... occurring at the new museum is a deadpan reading of Gibson's reading, not a theatre piece. "

.

Rats

Re:Not a play, just (2)

lnlypaladin (617060) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201822)

Isn't that what books on tape are for?

Oh well. I think it would be better as a movie than as a play anyway. Unfortunately the special effects department would probably get carried away when the characters jack in and suck up so much time that they'd forget to tell the story.

Re:Not a play, just (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201898)

Well, it's probably more to do with the producer than the special effects team, as they're usually just following directors orders. It's kind of like theres both chocolate and vanilla ice creams, but it's possible to eat them together too and sometimes its even more delicious that way. Or you could also pour some chocolate dipping in to it, or cookie crunchs and m&m's on top.

Re:Not a play, just (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202064)

All this talk of chocolate and vanilla ice cream in response to an article about Sasha Grey makes my id go wild...

Re:Not a play, just (2, Funny)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202134)

All this talk of chocolate and vanilla ice cream in response to an article about Sasha Grey makes my id go wild...

My ID would like to subscribe to your newsletter... RIGHT NOW...

Re:Not a play, just (4, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202330)

I've staged War of the Worlds in my living room with my cats as the aliens, but it didn't make it onto Slashdot.

Re:Not a play, just (1)

mujadaddy (1238164) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202708)

Are you a female porn star?

Re:Not a play, just (1)

residieu (577863) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202864)

Have a look at Johnny Mnemonic if you want to know what Hollywood would do with a Gibson movie.

Re:Not a play, just (1)

qtzlctl (1538903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203056)

"I WANT ROOM SERVICE!!!!!!!!!!!!
  I WANT THE CLUB SANDWICH!!!!
  I WANT THE 10,000$ A NIGHT HOOKER!!
  I WANT MY CLOTHES LAUNDERED AND IRONED LIKE THEY DO AT THE TOKYO....IMPERIAL...HOTEL"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmrNxrY8WJI [youtube.com]

Re:Not a play, just (1)

savorymedia (938523) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203338)

Close. Very close. But, you forgot "I WANT THE COLD, MEXICAN BEER!" :)

I whipped the DVD back out and watched this a few nights ago. It's a guilty pleasure. /pedant

Re:Not a play, just (1)

Terminus32 (968892) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201874)

Is the film even in production yet?
I read the book for the first time recently, brilliant stuff!

Re:Not a play, just (1)

dskzero (960168) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201944)

Is there actually a film even planned?

Re:Not a play, just (2, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202446)

I hope not.

Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201758)

Sasha Grey is the Queen of Loser Porn.

Amazing to see that in 2009 movie makers would still be trying something as stupid as hoping that casting some second tier porn skank is going to help hype and sell their film.

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201790)

What's "Loser Porn"?

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201820)

What's "Loser Porn"?

It's "I can't even dream of having sex with a girl as pretty and intelligent as Sasha Grey, so I'll just call her a skank and call her work 'loser porn'".

LOL! One of Sash's Loser Jerkoff Boys Speaks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202022)

I love it.

Guess where I live loser? That's right, the San Fucking Fernando Valley. Fucking pornstars. Been there, done that.

What can you do but laugh at some loser who jerks off to some dumb skank rising up to defend her honor.

LOSER

Re:LOL! One of Sash's Loser Jerkoff Boys Speaks (5, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202152)

Guess where I live loser? That's right, the San Fucking Fernando Valley. Fucking pornstars. Been there, done that.

translation: I think I am Napoleon Bonaparte.

Re:LOL! One of Sash's Loser Jerkoff Boys Speaks (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202386)

This is fun on so many levels:

1. That you losers think it actually is some sort of 'amazing claim' to talk about fucking pornstars!

2. That you losers are so pathetic and sad that you actually think being around pornstars is fun

How pathetic can you losers possibly be where you ultimate fantasy is nothing more than a typical Valley night for me:

* Walk into the local Bar that the local pornstars love to get smashed and do horrible karaoke

* Talk to pornstar

* Go home with pornstar

* Fuck pornstar

Of course, this only works if you aren't a fucking fat and or ugly loser who sits at home wacking off to fucked in the head skanks like Sasha Grey.

95 percent of pornstars are boring, obnoxious, drug addicted, lazy bitches. About as much fun to be around as picking weeds from your garden.

Keep wacking off losers...

Re:LOL! One of Sash's Loser Jerkoff Boys Speaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202522)

LOL, Thanks for making my morning. You know your post just makes me think you are indeed a fat fuck just trying to troll.

Re:LOL! One of Sash's Loser Jerkoff Boys Speaks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202892)

This just keeps getting better and better. You fucking jerkoff losers just can't help yourself.

Keep wasting your mod points. Here's some advice loser. Save up your allowance and fly to either Reno or LA. Fork over the cash to put your little peepee in a real live pornstar who hooks and get back to your sad little lives knowing that your pathetic jerkoff fantasies are like in Reality.

Trolls trolling trolls.... (3, Insightful)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203250)

trolling trolls trolling trolls.

Re:Trolls trolling trolls.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203384)

Aww, poor baby. Never ever had a pornstar tell him she wants him to take her home and fuck her brains out.

But the little faggot does have good karma on Slashdot. We'll call it even ...

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1, Informative)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202616)

I've never seen any of her films, so I can't comment on whether or not it's "loser porn", but someone who sucks dick for money is certainly a skank.

LK

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203264)

Alternate explanation - a typo. He meant "looser" porn.

Ass To Mouth (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201886)

I've never heard of that exact term, but if we are talking about Sasha Grey she is a fucked in the head chic who does crap like sucking on cocks after they been shoved up her or someone else's ass.

The type of garbage you are into if you are a guy who's spent his entire life getting rejected by girls and your hostility turns you into someone who gets off seeing some dumb bitch degrade herself.

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201928)

Loser porn is like when the male role is played by a Slashdot reader living in his mother's basement. :-P

No, seriously, I think the parent is referring to Grey's like of consensual degradation.

Anyway, I wouldn't call Sasha Grey [wikipedia.org] a "second tier porn skank." At one point she was pegged to be the next Jenna Jameson.

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202070)

Every "second tier porn skank" was "at one point pegged to be the next Jenna Jameson."

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202588)

Every "second tier porn skank" was - at multiple points - pegged, repeatedly.

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203060)

A skank would be the one doing the pegging [wikipedia.org] , not the one being pegged.

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202362)

What's "Loser Porn"?

It's a redundancy, like "sweet sugar".

Re:Queen of 'Loser Porn' - Yawn (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203104)

I'll bite, who's a top tier porn star?

Shiny Red Ball (1)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201764)

I didn't RTFA, but from /. alone, I am unsure if this article is about porn or the film itself. My attention span stopped at...

I didn't RTFA, but from /. (you get the idea).

Re:Shiny Red Ball (1)

SeeSp0tRun (1270464) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201786)

And it isn't even a film. Fail.

"sculpture-props simulating virtual reality" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201798)

sculpture-props simulating virtual reality

You get the sense that someone doesn't quite grasp the basic concepts.

Re:"sculpture-props simulating virtual reality" (2, Funny)

LordAndrewSama (1216602) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202226)

maybe they're too busy grasping something else?

Re:"sculpture-props simulating virtual reality" (2, Interesting)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203260)

sculpture-props simulating virtual reality

You get the sense that someone doesn't quite grasp the basic concepts.

No, actually, they got it right. Something real styled after something that doesn't exist must be simulated.

Thinking about any one of their props hard enough leads me to this train of thought: It's a real object, therefore it is real reality. So it can't be real virtual reality, it has to be simulated virtual reality which is what any real real reality made with real virtual reality in mind has to be, though since it's based on a cyberpunk novel it's really a simulated virtual fictional object, or a non-real non-real non-real object and now my ears are bleeding and I wonder why that is and it's all really real ooooh....

Why.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201808)

.. is this on slashdot?

Re:Why.. (2, Insightful)

Schiphol (1168667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201860)

Well, the interest of mainstream contemporary art in a cyber-punk novel may be deemed of interest to /.ers. But I agree with you that this publication is too close to "Drop William Gibson's name and I'll slashdot you".

Re:Why.. (3, Funny)

umghhh (965931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201952)

Sasha Grey plays a vitol role in some of the documentaries that we so love to watch in our cellars - that is why.

Re:Why.. (4, Insightful)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202016)

The first time I had ever seen Sasha Grey was in The Girlfriend Experience. She was awful, probably ruined the film (if it wasn't the writers who ruined it first). Anyway, it was a complete snooze fest. Also who hires a pron star to play a prostitute and has her keep her clothes on for 99% of the film?

Re:Why.. (1)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202606)

Also, she didn't have the hard body I was expecting from a famous porn star. For as much money as she has, one would think she could hire trainers to keep her in better shape.

Re:Why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203320)

Not everyone wants their female porn stars to look like men.

Re:Why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202800)

I actually watched "The Girlfriend Experience" last night. It seemed dry and kinda dull but I followed it to the end. Sasha Grey was the reason I watched, primarily because I had found out she was doing "Case" during her fleshbot award acceptance speech.

I actually think she's quite talented, beyond her obvious skillset. Kinda baffled by "The Girlfriend Experience" artsy feel, I checked out Roger Ebert's review which really put together what the film was trying to capture and made note that the very reasons I didn't enjoy the film were exactly what the director was going for.

That said, it's clearly a decent film but often watched by the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Myself included.

Re:Why.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203014)

The same people who hire porn stars to dub Hentai movies. Seriously, why do I care how hot the voice actresses are?

Re:Why.. (1)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203346)

The same people who hire porn stars to dub Hentai movies. Seriously, why do I care how hot the voice actresses are?

I think they do it partly so people will get that same bad acting experience they get from live-action porn.

Re:Why.. (3, Funny)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202158)

Why is this on slashdot?/quote
Sasha Grey

I think my world looks dystopian... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30201836)

But the world looks utopian if you're a middle class white guy doing Sasha Grey.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (2, Funny)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202288)

But the world looks utopian if you're a middle class white guy doing Sasha Grey.

Until the test results come back.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (1)

Prune (557140) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202348)

I don't get it.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202510)

As in an STD test.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202516)

I don't get it.

Yes. Yes, you do.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (0, Troll)

TheKidWho (705796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202618)

You mean, "Yes, yes you did."

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202714)

Pray you never do... Soap won't wash it off.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (2, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203058)

STD's are actually fairly uncommon in the mainstream porn industry. Some performers wear condoms (which if you wore during your little escapade with Ms Grey then you have little to worry about - it's not a 100% thing but it's close enough not to fret over it), and those who don't are constantly tested and essentially sign contracts explicitly stating that they'll only have sex with others in the porn industry who are subjected to the same tests. Generally they'll stick to that as, well, most people in porn are getting laid more than enough to seek out more action outside of the biz.

When there's an outbreak of AIDS or something similar it literally hits national (porn) news. Haven't seen a scare in about 2 years, and the last one didn't affect too many in the industry.

All in all, strap on your glove and bang who you want. Heck most prostitutes use condoms religiously to the point where you're probably safer there wearing your rubber than with some random chick you take home from the bar if she doesn't care if you wear it.

Re:I think my world looks dystopian... (1)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202666)

But the world looks utopian if you're a middle class white guy doing Sasha Grey.

Yes, because we all know how hard it is for middle class white men in western society.

LK

Old (1)

Das Auge (597142) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202778)

You're only as old as the woman you feel. - W. C. Fields

Article written by... (1)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201856)

R.U. Sirius

This can't be real????

Re:Article written by... (5, Informative)

SolarCanine (892620) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201994)

R.U. Sirius has been writing for years, and was the editor of Mondo 2000 magazine during the '90s, as well as co-author of Cyberpunk Handbook:: The Real Cyberpunk Fakebook with St. Jude. So yes, it's very real (and not the first time his work has found the convergence of cyberpunk and porn, either...)

Re:Article written by... (1)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202138)

Wow I didn't know! Thanks for the clarification.

Re:Article written by... (1)

ae1294 (1547521) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202200)

convergence of cyberpunk and porn, either...)

It's truely hard to think cyber without porn...

Re:Article written by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202062)

Too real, unfortunately. And beyond stupid.

I saw this... (5, Funny)

PortWineBoy (587071) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201956)

I was at the reading yesterday as part of my sojourns around Performa 09. No one else recognized her (that I could tell) in the audience, but it was a durational piece and I was only there a half hour. I was almost positive it was her, but she had these huge sunglasses on and I couldn't be sure...and it didn't seem like a good question to just ask a random chick at a performance piece while I was there with my gf...

They're Still Dystopian (5, Interesting)

russotto (537200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30201962)

The world of _1984_ would look great to someone from Somalia or some of the other hellholes of the world. _Brave New World_ even more so. Yet they're still both considered dystopian. Same goes for Neuromancer.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202048)

Neuromancer dystopian? Are you serious?
When I read that as a kid I would have given anything to live in that world. I still wouldn't mind getting one of their awesome brain-interfaced computers ;)

Re:They're Still Dystopian (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202100)

Neuromancer dystopian? Are you serious?
When I read that as a kid I would have given anything to live in that world. I still wouldn't mind getting one of their awesome brain-interfaced computers ;)

And some people would love to live in Mad Max. Doesn't mean it's not dystopic.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202476)

Neuromancer dystopian? Are you serious?
When I read that as a kid I would have given anything to live in that world.

The gee-whiz gadgets are obviously blinding you from seeing the characters...

Re:They're Still Dystopian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203318)

Cool gadgets don't make it any less dystopian. The point of the whole genre is that reality sucks so badly that the only retreat is into an alternate reality. And, if you're truly cynical, it could be posited that their reason reality sucks is that anyone bright enough to fix it prefers cyberspace. I'm not advocating it, just saying that opinion exists.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202060)

Agreed.... The fact that you can point to even worse situations or living conditions somewhere doesn't mean the fictional world being described in a book like 1984 or Brave New World is any less disturbing or "bad".

In fact, one can often infer that even in those fictional worlds, there are probably still places where people have things worse off than in the cities they're describing.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202162)

Who wouldn't want to live in Brave New World? It's a society based on instant gratification all the time. Sounds like heaven on earth to me.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202298)

> Who wouldn't want to live in Brave New World? It's a society based on instant gratification all the time. Sounds like heaven on earth to me.
>

Plus everyone is engineered to be suited (and satisfied) with whatever role they have in life.

Geeks aren't forced to be salesmen.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (1)

jockeys (753885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202384)

those of us that value liberty and individuality.

A dying breed, I know.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (2, Insightful)

sarhjinian (94086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202950)

Liberty has a very low calorie content and you can't burn individuality to keep you warm during cold winter nights.

I'm not saying they're not valuable, but they're also pretty far down the hierarchy of needs. There's a lesson to be learned here: if you keep people well-fed, sheltered, clothed and socially stable you can actually foster liberty and individuality (and innovation, creativity, etc) because the base needs are met. If you want to oppress people, make sure they don't have enough food to get up off their knees.

It's very interesting that, throughout history, periods where the middle class grows coincide with leaps in "social betterment", while strife and stagnation are lockstep with polarization of rich and poor. You'd think we'd have figured this out after the first few cycles, huh?

Re:They're Still Dystopian (1)

jockeys (753885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203006)

I'm not saying they're not valuable, but they're also pretty far down the hierarchy of needs.

Only to those who would accept the death of their principles before the death of their bodies.

Re:They're Still Dystopian (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203172)

Have you ever, in your entire suburbanite life, been hungry? Cold?

See... there is this thing about principles... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203344)

They somehow never manage to survive the death of the body.

Also, they seem to thrive in a well fed and groomed body, and whither away at the slightest danger to body's existence.

Dystopian is contextual (3, Interesting)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202430)

Yes, they're all considered dystopian in the context of the West, but I think his point is astute, that whether something is a dystopia is contextual. The people living in positions of privilege, i.e. the West, wring their hands over and work hard to prevent these various dystopias from occurring, even while they may be actually working against the interests of the majority of humanity.

What we have now, if it wasn't reality, could be easily portrayed as a dystopia in a novel. Worse, the people with power to change things (the powered and moneyed people who are citizens in the first world) are unwilling to consider a lot of possibilities that may be on the table because they seem worse than their own privileged positions, without considering how badly off the majority of humanity is under their current system.

MMMM Sasha Grey (1)

Americium (1343605) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202208)

I respect pornstars - is that wrong?

Better Dys topian then Dat topien (0, Offtopic)

Zorlon (181163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202210)

Doesn't the Declaration of Independents and Constitution imply that there is no Utopia hence we need checks and balances.

Is Dystopia the same as Non-Utopia?

Whenever someone (or some group) thinks they know what Utopia is, they try to force everybody down the same path.

I want to take der jerbs! (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202234)

Where do you get jobs like this? First there's the "MIT artist-in-residence" job where you can send messages into space that will never be received. Now this one where you can prattle on about dystopian piffle hoo-ha and people with higher educations will nod and shake their heads knowingly because they don't want to look unhip, or however you kids describe the squares these days.

Hey, I have some lovely post-post-post modern retro-reconstructionist works that would make a great display somewhere. They fractalize the repetitive nature of our increasingly vapid 21st century existences via surrealist digital sculpture and open mike poetry reads by fast fading reality TV pseduocelebrities.

Re:I want to take der jerbs! (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202500)

I have trouble believing that they are in on the joke, so the first step is to convince yourself that it is significant, not piffle hoo-ha.

Middle class "white guy?" (3, Insightful)

zhrike (448699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202238)

That kind of uncritical asinine blather never ceases to tweak me. Middle class anyone, Gibson, you tool. It's amazing that people spout (and think) racist shit like this, and it is left bare, unchallenged, validated by silence thus tacit approval. Fuck that. The assumption is what? If you're middle class but not white that your perspective is different? GMAFB. If you're middle class and white, like me, you can't possibly know about destitution? (I came from it).

Idiocy.

Re:Middle class "white guy?" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202376)

It is not only racist, but sexist as well. The war on white males continues in the USA.

The middle class (5, Insightful)

manekineko2 (1052430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202378)

I agree the race dropping was uncalled for, but he also was giving this response in an interview, where we can't always pick the perfect words for what we're trying to say. If he was just trying to draw a distinction between middle class in the privileged (and largely white) West versus the middle class in, say, India where by US standards you're still desperately poor, I don't think it's entirely illegitimate.

Re:Middle class "white guy?" (1, Insightful)

Prune (557140) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202380)

Mod parent up. Best BS-call-out-despite-everyone-else's-blindfolds post I've seen on /. in a year. Bravo!

Re:Middle class "white guy?" (2, Insightful)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202546)

Well, except for the part where it is pretty clear Gibson is naming middle class white guys as examples of people who were relatively comfortable in 1993, not naming them as the only people who were comfortable in 1993.

i give this troll an 8 out 10 (4, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202566)

the contrived outrage: well-played sir

Molly Millions (3, Insightful)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202664)

When you take into account the mindless sex-doll career of the character Molly, Sasha Grey is an apt choice for the part.

Re:Molly Millions (1)

TrentTheThief (118302) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202904)

Steppin Razor!. Sasha would be my choice for Molly/Sally.

Mindless needs more clarification in the context of a meat puppet. Especially since Sally wasn't stupid (mindless) and worked as a meat puppet to make enough money to score her enhancements and then went off to be a private security consultant (merc).

Re:Molly Millions (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203076)

AC time!

Not everyone's going to know who Sasha Grey is.
Not everyone's going to have read Neuromancer and hence know what a meat puppet is.

Let me help.

In Neuromancer, one of the main characters, Molly, has a back-story in which she accepts money to be a "meat puppet". Using sci-fi technology, her mind is absent, while her body is used recreationally for purposes she is not aware of. Sometimes she is "a little sore" afterwards.

Sasha Grey is a porn star who stands out (in my opinion). She is obviously very intelligent. Yet she takes part as the submissive role in fairly extreme scenes of consensual degredation, which she seems to relish.

Re:Molly Millions (1)

TrentTheThief (118302) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203126)

A much better explanation than I provided. Thank you!

our core culture (1)

Tom (822) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202688)

Glad to see some celebrities finally appreciating Gibson's work.

I mean - according to Wikipedia, roughly half of all famous people are porn stars, if you go by pagecount. There's something about that I haven't yet found words for.

Re:our core culture (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202742)

What definition of fame are you using?

I'm pretty sure that the output of the Disney tween machine are each many times more famous than the typical porn star.

Sasha Grey is 93% skanky (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30202946)

This chick takes two dicks up the ass, does a2m, and does that boner-killing duck sound when she gives head. She also can't shut the hell up with the dirty talk.

Some dirty talk == ok.
Incessant, repetitive dirty talk == not ok.

It's really unfortunate because she is really sexy as hell from a purely physical standpoint - but as soon as the action starts, the fun ends.

Re:Sasha Grey is 93% skanky (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203220)

It isn't a "duck sound", she's got the guy's cock so far down her throat that she triggers her gag reflex.

As far as the annoying dirty talk, Sasha Grey videos are best enjoyed with the sound off. (Or so I've heard.)

Porn Stars not what they used to be. (2, Interesting)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30202982)

When I was growing up porn stars were very rare.

Today they are very common.

The stigma is less but so is the cachet.

Middle-class White Guy? (3, Funny)

flajann (658201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203010)

"I think my world looks dystopian if you're a middle class white guy doing reasonably well in 1993..."

How about if you are a middle class "black" guy doing reasonably well in 1993?

Re:Middle-class White Guy? (1)

canajin56 (660655) | more than 4 years ago | (#30203208)

Cry about the term WASP next. "Wah, you don't have to be a White Anglo-Saxon Protestant to be bland and indistinguishable! Call the racism police!"

comment moderation needed .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30203044)

Given the quality of the replies so far, slashdot is sorely in need of commment moderation ..
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