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LHC Has First Collisions After Years of Waiting

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the no-black-holes-or-gateways-to-hell-yet dept.

Science 324

An anonymous reader writes "Only four days after the first attempt to send a particle beam around the LHC, we have arrived at the point when all four experiments got their first real collisions from the machine. This was met by celebrations and champagne, as people have been waiting years and years for this moment. It is a testament to the engineering of the machine that collisions were reached already, so few days after restarting. The LHC had already demonstrated ca 10h stable beams, and now also stable beams in both directions at the same time. In the coming weeks, we need only wait for increased intensity and the first attempts at acceleration."

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I for one... (1, Funny)

Kell Bengal (711123) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206480)

I, for one, welcome our new subatomic overlords.

Re:I for one... (1)

blair1q (305137) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207408)

Well, you do that, then.

I, on the other hand, welcome our new subatomic supplicants.

As I learned in driver's education (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206494)

As I learned in driver's ed: collisions are bad.
and because this is the LHC, this must mean the end of the world
I don't understand because we're still two years away from Dec 21st 2012

Portal (0, Troll)

danbert8 (1024253) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206502)

This was a triumph.
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.
Aperture Science
We do what we must
because we can.
For the good of all of us.
Except the ones who are dead.
But there's no sense crying over every mistake.
You just keep on trying till you run out of cake.
And the Science gets done.
And you make a neat gun.
For the people who are still alive.
I'm not even angry.
I'm being so sincere right now.
Even though you broke my heart.
And killed me.
And tore me to pieces.
And threw every piece into a fire.
As they burned it hurt because I was so happy for you!
Now these points of data make a beautiful line.
And we're out of beta.
We're releasing on time.
So I'm GLaD. I got burned.
Think of all the things we learned
for the people who are still alive.
Go ahead and leave me.
I think I prefer to stay inside.
Maybe you'll find someone else to help you.
Maybe Black Mesa
THAT WAS A JOKE.
HAHA. FAT CHANCE.
Anyway, this cake is great.
It's so delicious and moist.
Look at me still talking
when there's Science to do.
When I look out there, it makes me GLaD I'm not you.
I've experiments to run.
There is research to be done.
On the people who are still alive.
And believe me I am still alive.
I'm doing Science and I'm still alive.
I feel FANTASTIC and I'm still alive.
While you're dying I'll be still alive.
And when you're dead I will be still alive.

Re:Portal (0, Flamebait)

Jello B. (950817) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207086)

Hurp durp two year old video game reference. i get it. you're so funny.

Re:Portal (2, Funny)

Mikail (817047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207242)

Hurp durp two year old video game reference. i get it. you're so funny.

According to xkcd [xkcd.com] , he's still three years early.

Re:Portal (0, Troll)

Chees0rz (1194661) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207270)

Hurp durp two year old video game reference. i get it. you're so funny.

Evidently... you don't.

The real question is... (2)

gyepi (891047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206506)

...when should we throw our end-of-the-world parties?

Re:The real question is... (4, Funny)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206564)

...when should we throw our end-of-the-world parties?

Today. I've already maxed out my credit cards and slept with the neighbors wife. I'd imagine he's gonna be pretty ticked off when he finds out but I'm hoping the LHC destroys the planet before he gets home ;)

Re:The real question is... (5, Funny)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206740)

A few small points of information for you:

Your neighbor actually won't be ticked off when he finds out. Quite the contrary, he's gonna be highly aroused and in the mood for a wet & messy threesome. He's also extremely well endowed and has been eyeing you for some time already.

So in summary, you're still hoping the LHC destroys the planet before he gets home.

Re:The real question is... (1)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207030)

Unless that was what he was hoping for all along, then, probably not hoping the LHC destroys the planet.

Re:The real question is... (2, Funny)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207528)

This puts another spin on the black hole theories I guess...Now I am recalling images of goatse.cx, damn you, damn you all

Re:The real question is... (1, Funny)

famebait (450028) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206702)

There will be a continuous string of technical problems preventing the big kahuna right up until 2012. How long you want to party is up to you.

Re:The real question is... (2, Informative)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207506)

Nothing is special about 2012.. Or are you still working on the really in-accurate assumptions of the Mayan calendar?

2012 has no relevance to anything.

Re:The real question is... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206986)

Whenever, if, we find out the universe starts to inflate or something?

Re:The real question is... (3, Funny)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207464)

Isn't that what the Windows 7 release parties were for?

They're a chargin' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206512)

Everybody stand back! They've been a chargin' their... Um... How does it go again?

Obligatory (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206546)

Is the LHC insured for collisions?

Re:Obligatory (5, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206792)

Boy, you sure lepton that joke in a hurry.

Re:Obligatory (1, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206808)

lepton?

Re:Obligatory (3, Funny)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206850)

woosh!

Its a particle physics thing.

Re:Obligatory (-1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206882)

Invalid woosh. Only a tiny fraction of the Slashdot readers work in the particle physics domain.

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207024)

I'm a programmer and I got it. I even managed to sneak through college taking only two semesters of basic physics. Valid woosh.

Re:Obligatory (3, Insightful)

smash (1351) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207064)

Yeah, but surely 99.999% of them know how google works.

Re:Obligatory (1)

besalope (1186101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207268)

And the most of them sure should this maneuver as well!

Leptopn [lmgtfy.com]

Re:Obligatory (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207122)

Invalid woosh. Only a tiny fraction of the Slashdot readers work in the particle physics domain.

Only the *tiniest* fraction? Hahahahahaha! Get it? No... okay, pretend it's 1970 and we don't know about tauons yet! Hahahaahaaaa! No? Dangit.

On a totally unrelated note, did the LHC scientists learn absolutely NOTHING from Ghostbusters?!?

from the "that's not good" department. (1)

pentalive (449155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207290)

But they crossed the beams and the world did not end.

Re:from the "that's not good" department. (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207366)

Yes, but what will happen if they beam the cross?

Re:Obligatory (5, Funny)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207182)

and whoosh to you, too. He was pointing out that this is a hadron collider, so lepton jokes don't make any sense.

I could say, I suppose, that if he wants to talk about leptons, you need to give him some SLAC... but I won't.

(typos, on the other hand-- the one where the "r" and the "d" switch order in the word "hadron"-- would be appropriate... but still tasteless.)

Re:Obligatory (0)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207526)

Wow, you physics people throw wild ass parties...

Let me guess, as a practical joke you loosen the covalent bonds in the secretaries dress just before the friday staff meeting.

Re:Obligatory (0, Redundant)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206846)

Undoing moderation.

Re:Obligatory (1)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206902)

I get a charge out of all this co-motion over the LHC

Re:Obligatory (1)

cmsjr (1515283) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207180)

You just had to add your own spin/2, didn't you.

Re:Obligatory (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206842)

Especially: Does it also cover big bangs?

Data from first collision through CMS detector (5, Informative)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206580)

http://cmsdoc.cern.ch/cms/performance/FirstBeam/pictures221109/CollisionEvent.png [cmsdoc.cern.ch]

The beams aren't squeezed right now, just centered. You have a higher probability of collisions when they're squeezed (which will be coming up shortly). It was very cool to be in the control room when the first collision took place =)

Re:Data from first collision through CMS detector (4, Funny)

baldass_newbie (136609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206956)

It was very cool to be in the control room when the first collision took place =)

I have to say, you kept the coffee fresh, even though you forgot to add sweetener to mine.

Re:Data from first collision through CMS detector (2, Funny)

pwfffff (1517213) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207492)

Cool picture. My particle physics is a bit rusty, but let's see now... green line distribution seems normal... yellow squiggles there and THERE... hmmm... I see there's more red blocks than blue blocks... ah, yes...

Congratulations, it's a boy!

Re:Data from first collision through CMS detector (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207564)

I believe the yellow is the beam, the red are electron emissions, and the red are muon emissions.

Since the world is about to end... (5, Funny)

dan_sdot (721837) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206584)

LAST POST!!!!1

There's a nice formula to show the world won't end (4, Interesting)

Xeriar (456730) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206586)

The formula [caltech.edu] : N(>E) = k(E + 1)^-a

N is impacts per second
E is the impact energy in in GeV
k is ~5,000 particles per steradian per square meter per second
a is about 1.6.

So the ground your feet occupy get a dozen or so such collisions per day, and so on.

Re:There's a nice formula to show the world won't (1)

el3mentary (1349033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206620)

Yes but they aren't high energy collisions.

Thats not the point the world won't end unless the Pee concentration rises above 90%

Re:There's a nice formula to show the world won't (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206928)

What about the Poop concentration?

Banging rocks together... (5, Interesting)

White Shade (57215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206826)

I think what I love most about the LHC and whatnot is that, despite all the incredible and amazing science and technology and innovation and potential for learning behind it, what it really comes down to is just us banging rocks together and watching what happens, just like humans have been doing throughout history. It just happens that this time, the rocks are incredibly tiny and incredibly fast.

Kinda puts it all in perspective, in kind of a cool way, IMO.

Re:Banging rocks together... (1)

V!NCENT (1105021) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207208)

What I love so much about the LHC is that despite all these theories about everything, one may actually get to become proven. Not only that, but we are now kind of like (please do not take this too literaly) reverse enginering our own 'Matrix' so to speak at a level of what, for now at least, seems to be the building blocks, the very foundation, of 'it'*

*Disclaimer: Yeah, yeah... bla bla... Universe, multiverse, whatever...

Re:Banging rocks together... (1)

gozu (541069) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207378)

On the one hand, I appreciate the parallel and see the coolness potential, on the other, have people really banged rocks throughout history?

Re:Banging rocks together... (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207644)

I dunno about us banging rocks together, but Shakrai is banging his neighbors wife, or so he said in reply to the second post.

Re:Banging rocks together... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30207436)

At that size they stop being rocks.

Crossing the Streams (5, Informative)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206608)

Despite all the hoopla, all they've really done is cross the streams.

Today the LHC circulated two beams simultaneously for the first time, allowing the operators to test the synchronization of the beams and giving the experiments their first chance to look for proton-proton collisions. With just one bunch of particles circulating in each direction, the beams can be made to cross in up to two places in the ring. From early in the afternoon, the beams were made to cross at points 1 and 5, home to the ATLAS and CMS detectors, both of which were on the look out for collisions. Later, beams crossed at points 2 and 8, ALICE and LHCb.

An important step, sure. But low-speed collisions and beam tuning are not what the LHC is designed to do. It's akin to a pitcher throwing a few warmup pitches - he won't be bringing the heat til he's out on the mound, he's just trying to make sure he shoulder is fucking healed after he blew it out in his first opening game.

By the end of the year we should have some real info about the first useful collisions.

Re:Crossing the Streams (4, Funny)

macbeth66 (204889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206706)

It's akin to a pitcher throwing a few warmup pitches...

Huh?

Could you put that into a car analogy?

Re:Crossing the Streams (5, Funny)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206894)

Its like a weabo revving the engine of his pimped out ricer at a stoplight. Don't worry, there is a pretty decent chance it will throw a rod when he actually puts it in gear.

Re:Crossing the Streams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30207458)

Better than a napanese guy in a caddie.

Re:Crossing the Streams (4, Funny)

Bucc5062 (856482) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207158)

its like the warm up laps at Talledega (NASCAR) before they throw the green flag. You know there is going to be a big collision after the start, you just don't know when and how big. For the End of the World it would be if all 43 cars got wrecked so bad that not one could continue the race. Game over.

Re:Crossing the Streams (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207308)

Could I get that in a baseball analogy?

Re:Crossing the Streams (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207422)

There are usually no colliding balls in a baseball game.

Re:Crossing the Streams (1)

WoRLoKKeD (1142351) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207596)

There are usually no colliding balls in a baseball game.

Depends how good your aim is and how vindictive you're feeling.

Re:Crossing the Streams (5, Funny)

kungfugleek (1314949) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207260)

It's akin to a car throwing a few warmup pitches.

Will this be the last.... (1, Insightful)

quangdog (1002624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206634)

Collision for the next 3 years because something else breaks?


Seems like this thing only ever makes the news because it is broken again in a new and interesting way.

Re:Will this be the last.... (1)

smash (1351) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207134)

Thats what you get when dealing with leading edge multi billion dollar tech... I mean software guys can't even get an OS release out the door without some critical bug, vulnerability or policy oversight - and the LHC is a fair bit more complex than that.

Hmm... (5, Funny)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206644)

Apparently the future has given up its battle against the LHC. Take that, Nature!

Re:Hmm... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206678)

No, we just live in the quantum reality in which they failed. Sucks to be (this version of) us.

Re:Hmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207318)

No, we just live in the quantum reality in which they failed. Sucks to be (this version of) us.

You would prefer to live in the quantum reality in which they succeeded and doomed us all by creating a black hole?

IT's not at full power yet! and it can fail with a (1, Insightful)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207048)

IT's not at full power yet! and it can fail with a big boom.

Re:IT's not at full power yet! and it can fail wit (0, Offtopic)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207360)

I guess we came in with a Big Bang and will go out with a Big Boom. Bummer.

Re:Hmm... (1)

AlexWillisson (1348553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207336)

Please tell me those modding parent Informative were all just joking...

Re:Hmm... (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207404)

Well, I know I was joking, but I can't figure the mods out today.

You WHAT? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206662)

was met by celebrations and champagne

Given the dangers involved and the expenses paid already, I think that was a terrible idea.

Re:You WHAT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206820)

Oh no, not the bubbles!

Re:You WHAT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206874)

Hahahahahahah. Jackass.

Re:You WHAT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207038)

It's okay, they're saving money every step of the way. For instance, some clever modifications to an unused segment of the liquid helium cooling system meant that there was no need for an ice bucket.
The entertainment expenses of the entire facility is also minuscule, as getting drunk and telling "large hard-on collider" jokes doesn't get old for... well, at least ten years and counting.

Re:You WHAT? (1)

raddan (519638) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207354)

The trick was to pour the champagne into the spot that they found the baguette. Physicists are so smrt.

That was... quick (4, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206674)

I don't understand all this hoopla about why it took so long. When a new machine is brought into our clean room, it usually takes three months before it runs more or less smoothly. The LHC is a bit bigger than our cleanroom and has many more parts. So much more has to be tested, finetuned, etc. before it can even be brought up after a big repair like it had. I think almost two years is a good time in which to do the repair and all that tweaking.

So how much longer... (1)

FunPika (1551249) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206708)

Until this [youtube.com] happens!? :D

Re:So how much longer... (2, Informative)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206876)

Probably more like this [youtube.com] . It's a better film, too.

I other news... (5, Funny)

webdog314 (960286) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206780)

"The LHC was shut down again today due to an accident involving a champagne cork."

It could take years of analyzing the data... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30206802)

...before the Europeans could agree if the champagne is any good.

I didn't feel a thing? (0)

dUN82 (1657647) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206848)

Oh, yes, Mother Erath can take a LHC, alright?

GNOME (4, Informative)

Ivan Stepaniuk (1569563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206864)

Some screenshots at the CERN site show GNOME's 'Clearlooks' window manager theme. At least BSOD will not be a source for further delays.

Re:GNOME (0, Flamebait)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207216)

I haven't seen a BSOD in-person in almost a decade.

Linux, however, has had problems even booting up on some of my hardware.

Re:GNOME (2, Interesting)

FST777 (913657) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207362)

Not surprising [scientificlinux.org] .

And Fermilab is on board with it (4, Interesting)

liquiddark (719647) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206878)

Despite the so-called "rivalry" too many science "news" outlets have played up, Fermilab puts it on the front page [fnal.gov] . Always nice to recall that in the end everyone benefits from this big boy coming online.

First Collisions? (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206898)

Sounds like they should have used a switch instead of a hub. Then there wouldn't be collisions.

Re:First Collisions? (-1)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206938)

Yeah, um... I guess you don't know this, but the whole point of the experiment is to /get/ collisions. It's kinda how basic particle research like this is done.

The wikipedia article is a good start, but there's more info there, and there's always Google if you want to educate yourself further. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-particle_collision_dynamics [wikipedia.org]

Re:First Collisions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207014)

and Mighty Casey has struck out.

Dude, the Phail Whale now has a name and it's MrMista_B.

Re:First Collisions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207136)

and Mighty Casey has struck out.

Dude, the Phail Whale now has a name and it's MrMista_B.

Yeah, and boy is MrMista_A pissed.

Re:First Collisions? (0, Troll)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207082)

MrMista, do they make "jokes" on your planet?

http://www.google.com/search?q=+missing+the+joke

Since the GP is getting modded "funny", you may be the ONLY person on Slashdot who didn't get it. Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Re:First Collisions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207094)

In that case, they were using a switch and now using a hub to get collision? If only they've switch earlier...

Re:First Collisions? (1)

Zalbik (308903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207110)

Yeah, um... I guess you don't know this, but the whole point of the experiment is to /get/ collisions. It's kinda how basic particle research like this is done.

The wikipedia article is a good start, but there's more info there, and there's always Google if you want to educate yourself further. :)

Yeah, um... I guess you don't know this, but there's this whole part of language called humor. It's kinda a basic part of human behavior.

The wikipedia article is a good start, but there's more info there, and there's always Google if you want to educate yourself further. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour [wikipedia.org]

Re:First Collisions? (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207156)

How well that help with getting collisions? I guess it won't stop collisions like a switch, but I dunno if it'd be good for the type of research being talked about.

Re:First Collisions? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30207496)

Trolls trolling trolls...

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/8/81/Trolling101.gif

Re:First Collisions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207334)

The wikipedia article is a good start, but there's more info there, and there's always Google if you want to educate yourself further. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor [wikipedia.org]

Re:First Collisions? (1)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207430)

Not sure which is funnier... your comment which saw me with MCON (milk coming out nose) or the first guy posting in reply to you (on slashdot, of all places) that doesn't see the networking pun. Both are very funny!

Good for them (3, Interesting)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 4 years ago | (#30206918)

The black holes or universe-ending paradoxes are still a few months off, at least. They are colliding at a paltry 450 GeV, a level we have been able to produce at other colliders for many years. Wake me when they are passing 1 TeV, on their way to 8...

I knew it... (-1, Troll)

TDyl (862130) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207116)

as soon as the LHC was powered up I passed an Higgs-Boson (or many trillions upon trillions) from my arse; at least that's what I tell the better half about the brown stain on my shorts.

LHC@Home! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207128)

I just want to say, you can also contribute your CPU power for LHC calculations, by joining LHC@Home [lhcathome.cern.ch] .

I'm in awe of this machine, no other monkey species on this planet has been able to make what those scientists made....

racist tags! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30207142)

Who the hell tagged this "blackhole?" That was a racist thing to do! We demand you tag this article "whitehole"

-Commissioner John Wiley Price and Judge Thomas Jones

Yay, another solid page of black hole jokes. (5, Insightful)

PaganRitual (551879) | more than 4 years ago | (#30207310)

Why even bother posting LHC news on /. anymore. It's just top to bottom black hole and collision jokes. The bottom of the barrel has been scraped, and you guys have worked your way through the wood and there is light peeking through on the other side. No funny can escape from this. These are the same jokes that occur every day in the upper atmosphere at much higher humor levels than we can manage. The universe is actively avoiding the discovery of a funny black hole joke, and will mysteriously break any attempts to discover it.

when does the gift shop open? (2, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207474)

I want to buy a snowglobe with a miniature blackhole in it.

An open letter to Slashdotters. (4, Funny)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 3 years ago | (#30207512)

Sorry, I've got some bad news for you all. The world did end, and everyone died. "But," you ask, "if I'm dead, why am I still at work?"

Uh, yeah, about that. We're kind of swamped up here with all the new souls looking to get in, so we've decided to fast track certain predominantly Godless groups to eternal damnation. You're now stuck at work.

Forever.

Respectfully yours,
The Archon V2.0
Trainee mortal/immortal liason, New Media Department, Heaven.

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