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UK File-Sharing Laws Unenforceable On Mobile Networks

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the p2p-ringtones dept.

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superglaze writes "UK mobile broadband providers currently have no way of telling which subscribers are file-sharing which copyrighted content, ZDNet UK reports. This represents something of a problem for new laws that have been proposed to crack down on unlawful file-sharing. According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading, but the industry is loathe to fund this sort of project itself. Also, as an analyst points out in the piece, users of prepaid phone cards are mostly anonymous in the UK, which creates another challenge for the government's plans. And if that isn't enough, connection-sharing apps like JoikuBoost would make identification pretty much impossible anyway."

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Wow (2, Insightful)

taucross (1330311) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219180)

They have no way of telling which subscribers are file sharing on any network - ask your local laser printer. I guess they'll just have to make do...

Re:Wow (1)

MachDelta (704883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219792)

ask your local laser printer

I'm sorry, I don't speak astromech.

Re:Wow (1)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220058)

I guess I'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about. Maybe you're alluding to some story I haven't haerd, but taking it at face value...

1) The network traffic associated with a printer doesn't look much like the network traffic associated with file-sharing clients.

2) I rarely print mp3's.

3) Which networks' admins is this going to confuse, anyway? The LAN admin can see the network address of the printer and sift that out as noise pretty easily. If the LAN is connected (say, via a NAT router) to the Internet, the ISP network never sees that printer traffic anyway; so it's not going to matter to their admins' analysis either.

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

zapakh (1256518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223474)

I guess I'm not sure what you want to talk to my printer about. Maybe you're alluding to some story I haven't haerd

If I may, I believe this is about some of the DMCA takedown notices received by University of Washington from the MPAA in the summer of 2008. A few of them were directed at laser printers because researchers at the university pulled some tricks with IP addresses in an attempt to prove that, no, they really don't tell you about identity and, no, the MPAA doesn't care.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/the-inexact-science-behind-dmca-takedown-notices/ [nytimes.com]
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/05/entertainment-indust-1.html [boingboing.net]

I don't know if any changes have been made in response to the embarrassment, nor whether the embarrassment has even been acknowledged as such.

Re:Wow (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220402)

The agenda probably goes something more like this: They don't care who is on the other end because soon they'll phase out that pesky anonymity because, you know, them terrrrrissts could use it! Yes thats it! Lets kill another Civil Liberty because we can! *Cackles-Evily-As-They-Stuff-Their-Pockets-Full-Of-Money*

Good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219202)

I for one scoff at identity tracking technology.

Re:Good. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219258)

In Soviet Russia identity tracking software tracks YOU!

oh, wait, that can't be right...

Of Course... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219216)

Anybody who plans on running bittorrent over a prepaid mobile connection is either going to pirate very small files, or end up paying rather more than retail for them...

Re:Of Course... (4, Funny)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219236)

end up paying rather more than retail for them...

You can't put a price on freedom!

Yes You Can (1)

taucross (1330311) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219266)

Freedom costs a buck o-five.

Re:Of Course... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30222544)

If UK mobile broadband charges are anything like they are here in Australia, NOBODY would share files over it. The telcos gouge you for both upstream and downstream traffic, and it wouldn't be long before you felt the pain.

Re:Of Course... (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219452)

Or you could just do it over "stolen" wifi instead, giving you the bonus of further concealing your tracks.

Re:Of Course... (1)

BrokenHalo (565198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30222558)

Of course you could, but the article was referring to mobile broadband.

Re:Of Course... (2, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219974)

Back in the 1980s people used to charge their long-distance calls for downloading pirated games to other people's calling cards. Perhaps something similar is being done with downloading over cellular dialup/phones?

Re:Of Course... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30220564)

The Daily Talking Point is back - so, how many of the purity points do YOU fulfill

Re:Of Course... (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221036)

Now. What about in 5 years' time?

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Re:Of Course... (1)

Homburg (213427) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221546)

Not really. For 35 pounds, which is the price of 5 albums on itunes, you can get a 7GB package, with which you can download significantly more than 5 albums worth of MP3s, or even FLAC. 35 pounds is the price of about 3 DVDs - again, 7GB lets you download a lot more more than three films in decent quality Xvid.

It's not cost effective to download complete blue-ray rips over mobile broadband right now; but downloading files over pay-as-you go broadband is not a particularly silly idea.

Re:Of Course... (1)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223806)

Not really. For 35 pounds, which is the price of 5 albums on itunes, you can get a 7GB package

For a few dollars a month you can get a proxy IP service in another country and download as much as you like.

Re:Of Course... (1)

smallfries (601545) | more than 4 years ago | (#30224072)

That's really expensive. Three will offer 15GB/pm for £15/pm. So in movie terms that is three (H264 compressed) blue ray rips at decent quality. I have no idea how expensive blue ray movies are in the UK, but I'm guessing that is a win purely on the monetary scale. Of course, it requires a 24-month contract and there is no guarantee they will still be unable to trace IPs in two years time.

Not necessarily (1)

brucmack (572780) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223478)

It depends on where you live. Here in Denmark, pay-by-the-MB mobile broadband is virtually extinct. Between the various providers, there are 1GB, 2GB, 5GB, 10GB, and unlimited monthly plans, with speeds varying from 1 mbit to 16 mbit. If you go over your limit, most providers just stick you in a low priority queue, so you just get a slower connection.

I've got an unlimited 7 mbit plan, and it is definitely fast enough to run BitTorrent on it. I get at least 4 mbit whenever I'm anywhere near a cell tower.

Re:Of Course... (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223860)

Nuh-uh! My iPhone came with unlimited data!

</sarcasm>

Or it would go the other way (4, Insightful)

plover (150551) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219238)

Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush. 3 strikes and you're all out.

Due process? We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.

Re:Or it would go the other way (3, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219358)

All bow to the outdated business model that is the music business of the 50-90s.

Profits from this *MUST* be protected at the cost of freedom, privacy and progress. /sarcasm (in case of "whoosh")

Amazing what bribes from robber barons can do to otherwise respectable politicians.

Re:Or it would go the other way (3, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219744)

Otherwise respectable? Wasn't the guy who pushed this shit through removed from two elected positions for corruption, and now only holds an appointed position?

Re:Or it would go the other way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219852)

Wouldn't be corrupt if nobody bribed him :)

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220258)

That's like saying "wouldn't be a robber if there were no banks around".

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220318)

That is respectable from me for a politician! His peers snub him!

99% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30221774)

Well you know, that 99% of politicians make the rest of them look bad.

Re:Or it would go the other way (2, Interesting)

julesh (229690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223884)

Wasn't the guy who pushed this shit through removed from two elected positions for corruption, and now only holds an appointed position?

"Removed for corruption" is perhaps overstating the matter. The first time he resigned because he'd failed to declare an interest that should have been on the public record (although he hadn't actually been personally involved in any decisions where there would be a conflict of interest, his department was handling such a decision). The second time he resigned again, but an independent enquiry cleared him of any impropriety.

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

gedhrel (241953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223720)

In this case it was Mandy. "Otherwise respectable"?!

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220044)

Sharing your connection using Joiku with a file-sharing felon might tar you with the same brush. 3 strikes and you're all out.

Well you're the one deciding to share your connection. Shouldn't it then be your own responsibility to check just exactly -who- you're sharing the thing with?

If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.

Due process? We flushed that crap down the toilet years ago.

While I agree with this, I can't help but put myself in the shoes of the other (Evil) side and see - in practice, in discussions on slashdot and even in newspapers - that the aforementioned is also being exploited as a defense.

"Your honor, the accused lives in a household with 3 other persons - his wife and his two children - any one of these could have performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials. The defense has not shown evidence which of these four individuals in fact performed this unauthorized sharing of copyrighted materials. Therefore, the defense moves for the accusation against the accused to be dropped."
Well gosh isn't that convenient. So next time I want to download something using a sharing client, all I'll have to do is go to a busy spot downtown, open up my connection and broadcast it to the world as, say, "FreeInternet", and hey presto.. I might be doing something illegal but good bloody luck proving that it was actually -me- and not one of the dozen people that were using my shared connection; They can't. Pirate-me wins.

If these issues were on a scale, then they're neither balanced, nor tipped over in either direction; the entire mechanism simply broke and both sides claim things in their favor where they shouldn't be able to.

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220874)

That argument actually has some truth, see: Here [slashdot.org] .

But in France, you are responsible for securing your own network, see: Here [arstechnica.com] . Wonder how long till that migrates across the pond? ACTA [wikipedia.org] anyone? Maybe, whats in that is secret because, you know, trade agreements are of national security...

Re:Or it would go the other way (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221078)

If you decide to share your gun - which you only use for plinking - with some random stranger, they shoot somebody, and the ballistics end up matching a gun that's registered to you, you'd have some explaining to do, too.

Yes, but you still wouldn't be guilty of murder. And this would still be a reasonable defence - whether or not the jury believe it is another matter.

"Your honor

Stop right there - the whole problem with this proposed law is that there is no "honor", and no defence. Whether people are disconnected isn't going to be up to a court to decide (although I'm not sure if the exact process of how this will work has been worked out yet?)

A feature not a bug (1)

wdef (1050680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219246)

Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous? Watch them close this up just as fast as you can say Tor. Is this the case in other countries as well?

Re:A feature not a bug (1)

jaavaaguru (261551) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221070)

I believe it is the case in some European countries.

In the UAE, they wanted a copy of my passport to register a pre-paid phone/sim card.

In California, I believe I just had to give a valid ZIP code (and that may just be the network's choice rather than law... not sure).

Re:A feature not a bug (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223952)

Unbelievable - it's actually close to anonymous?

No, it actually *is* anonymous. I have pay-as-you-go mobile broadband from 3. I bought the modem and SIM cash, and didn't provide any contact details when I did. I pay for the service using vouchers, bought with cash over the counter at supermarkets. They have no idea who I am, and probably only a vague idea where I am, and that only because I've made no effort to disguise it. If I had refrained from using the modem at home or in places I visit regularly, I'd be practically unidentifiable.

What about the isp? (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219254)

Does this mean the ISP can look into my cd-collection and see that I don't own the right to use a mp3? If so, how? And better yet, how can we stop them.

Re:What about the isp? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219306)

Unless you're streaming that MP3 from your house to your cellphone, why would you put your MP3 online? I'm all the fair uses but I don't see your point here.

Re:What about the isp? (1)

santax (1541065) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219516)

So i can access them from my work of course. :) (because there is absolutely no reason not to let me do with my music that I purchased or even made that I want to)It's the record-companies and governments who are the criminals here. Not me, the honest buyer of music. Lots of music.

Re:What about the isp? (1)

stuckinphp (1598797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220966)

why would you buy music.. its all free online these days man.

Re:What about the isp? (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220350)

Here in Canada, you can borrow a friends original cd and copy it to a blank cd for your own use. This is legal because of the levy placed on blank media. However, if you own a cd and download a song from that cd from a peer-to-peer network that is illegal as infringement. Someday they'll tie themselves into enough knots that hopefully they'll cut off the blood to their brains.

Re:What about the isp? (2, Insightful)

santax (1541065) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220844)

In the Netherlands (for now) it's legal to copy music to your cd's (due to levy indeed), it is also still legal to download music/movies from the internet. We can't share it online. But it is legal to borrow a cd to a friend for him to copy on a blanc cd. But after they (music-mafia) have reaped the millions and millions of euro's for many years in a time no-one uses blanc cd's for music anymore they wanted to change the rules. And they did. Lol. There is only 1 explanation for this. The lobby is paying the politicians well. It's just insane that we pay for airwaves. Before we know it we'll be paying for the right the breath that same air. I am sorry. I am upset about all these things they are trying to make illegal. It's like they want us all to be criminals. If we aren't criminals they will pass a law that will turn us into one. According to the law. It's just insane. I have no way how I can explain all of this to my kids without them looking at me and saying... but dad, I thought we won the war against the Germans. (my 9 y.o. actually said that)

Re:What about the isp? (2, Interesting)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221106)

Here in the UK, you don't have a right to use the mp3, even if you do own the CD.

Unless you're Lily Allen, making a "mix tape" of copyrighted material - then it's okay. Even if you fileshare it to push your own career.

Errr Radius Authentication (1)

MilesTails (1413987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219278)

Some basic assumptions are that the ISP uses a Radius server to have people authenticate their mobile network devices on their network. Radius servers record the calling phone number of the sim card. Lookup phone number/sim number against the owner at time of given download? Or is that far too simple?

Re:Errr Radius Authentication (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219724)

£1 on any boot sale, pound shop, major booksellers, buys you a brand new, completely anonymous (i.e. not requiring activation or any personal details *AT ALL*, even to "top-up") pre-pay SIM card that will work with data products too.

Re:Errr Radius Authentication (1)

MilesTails (1413987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219830)

Ah yes forgot about those. Your point is valid but they could just cut those SIMs off, if not do away with the scheme all together.

Re:Errr Radius Authentication (3, Informative)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219960)

And lose a *huge* chunk of their revenue. According to Ofcom 55% of mobile phones in the UK are pre-paid or PAYG [ofcom.org.uk] (Look under the "Telecoms" section).

Re:Errr Radius Authentication (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220008)

And now record EVERY single connection. And I don't mean every time someone logs in with you, the ISP, but I mean EVERY connection, http, ftp, telnet and otherwise, ever done by every single customer, and record source IP, destination IP, time and a few other tidbits. You know how many entries a single webpage, given all the ads, google trackers and other crap littering them, creates? Now extrapolate by the number of your customers and let's be conservative and say they open one page every 5 minutes (creating somewhere between 10 and 20 entries each), and consider that you have to store this information for half a year, and you may notice why they don't want to bear the burden of cost.

Personally, I think it's time to invest in stock of Seagate, IBM and other storage manufacturers.

Re:Errr Radius Authentication (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220032)

Yes it is. I can go into my local Three shop, hand over £19.99 in cash for a pay as you go modem, and another £15 for a one month access voucher. They have no idea who I am.

Bill the record industry (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219302)

If the record industry wants this data, they can pay for its collection.

Re:Bill the record industry (2, Insightful)

BSAtHome (455370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219548)

So, you are willing to give them investigatory powers. Time to make encryption mandatory then.

Re:Bill the record industry (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220144)

Which is not what he said.

He said he'd BILL the record companies for the cost, but of course it would still be administered by the ISPs

Re:Bill the record industry (2, Insightful)

BSAtHome (455370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220244)

But then, who will be next in line with a big pocket to pay for data and ask the gov for policing some communication. Remember Phorm? Do we /want/ a society where your communication is eavesdropped? That is a trademark of oppressive regimes. It really does not matter whether the ISP is the middleman. No data should be intercepted unless a court-order is provided.

Re:Bill the record industry (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220308)

No. I'm at the point where I'd like to see the 50 States call a Constitutional Convention, and abolish the United States completely, replacing it with the Articles of Confederation (where the central government was weak).

Re:Bill the record industry (1)

soundguy (415780) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221422)

So you are proposing a return to primarily local, "tribal" government, run by unrestrained petty tyrants waving the banner of "states' rights"? Visit Somalia or a country that ends with *stan and see how well that works in the 21st century. BTW, I wouldn't recommend the trip if you are female, gay, or non-muslim.

Re:Bill the record industry (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220856)

Why? They can just buy the laws to criminalize it, then use your tax dollars to enforce it.

Yay !! Let is fucking steal everything we can !! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219310)

Hip-hip-horray !!

For we're a jolly good fella, for we're a jolly good fella, which nobody can catch !!

Ay, mattie !!

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Re:Yay !! Let is fucking steal everything we can ! (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220442)

Instead of hiding under whatever is the closest rock, how about checking out an organization such as the Pirate Party. I hear their doing relatively well over in Euro-Land.

I THINK ITS QUITE OVIOUS (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221150)

Is that you, Lily Allen? Come on now, you know you shouldn't be "stealing" other people's work, even if you do distribute it in the form of a "mix tape". As you said yourself, music's not free to make, so it can't be free, can it? Who could argue with solid and well thought out logic like that?

Retarded (3, Informative)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219320)

Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever

I've seen plenty of slow news days here where kdawson decided to publish non-sense, but this is a new low.

Maybe in the UK (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219636)

I haz unlimited internets* on my phone here in the good old USA.

(*Unlimited, I'm sure, until I use several GB or something instead of just looking at Google Maps occasionally. :p)

Re:Maybe in the UK (1)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220190)

I have an official limit of 1GB per month on my mobile phone, on O2 UK. I don't get anywhere near it - you can't make much of a dent in it by means of Opera Mini, and even hooking my mobile up to my netbook from time to time when I'm out and about doesn't add that much.

I might actually go ahead and fire up a torrent next time I'm bored on a train. Just out of sheer perversity.

Re:Retarded (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219902)

There's nothing wrong with forward thinking. As mobile broadband becomes faster and cheaper, which it inevitably will, this will become more and more of an issue. Potentially, people can and will use their mobile provider as their sole ISP. Meaning, if they want to do file-sharing, it will be over their mobile network.

Re:Retarded (1)

BlackCreek (1004083) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220182)

By the time it becomes affordable to run torrents on mobile broadband, there will be NO issue with law enforcement of file sharing restrictions. So I really don't see the point.

Re:Retarded (1)

Animaether (411575) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220196)

Well there's mobile (netbook/notebook USB things) plans...
http://mobile.broadbandgenie.co.uk/3g-broadband [broadbandgenie.co.uk]

Neither of which seem to be 'so expensive' or have ridiculous limits. Granted, I haven't read the fineprint.

It might not be -cellphone- mobile, but it's certainly using the cellular networks.

I'd dig up a cellphone plan, but as in the U.S. and NL, finding details on plans on operators' sites is next-to-impossible. I'd imagine T-Mobile offers their web-and-walk plan in the UK as well, though.

Re:Retarded (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220574)

And what do you think it will be like in 5 or 10 years' time?

The bottom line is that, aside from the legislation being bad for many reasons, it will be outpaced by technology in a matter of years. The flip side is that the Government uses this as as argument for mandatory monitoring and registration of mobile networks - we need to be watchful of this, before it's too late.

Unfortunately there is already a catch - thanks to "OMG Think Of The Children" paranoia, all mobile broadband in the UK (AFAIK) has censorship turned on by default. There's no information on this when you buy it - they simply refuse to offer the service that you've paid for, even if you buy in person and you're obviously an adult. And it catches far more than porn sites - in some cases, I've been blocked by sites that aren't "adult" in the slightest. And the only way to turn it off is to either use a credit card, or show up with proof of age, both of which would allow them to identify you. Even if you're way over 18, and it ought to be bloody stupid to even consider asking for proof of age

Re:Retarded (1)

agnosticnixie (1481609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220622)

Unlimited EDGE is certainly faster than 56k and slower DSL

Re:Retarded (1)

EnglishSteve (834757) | more than 4 years ago | (#30222978)

It depends where you are. Here in Sweden, I can get a mobile broadband stick for free from a provider and get 20GB of bandwidth a month for 199sek.

In fact this is what I use for my home internet, as there is no landline connection to my house. Telia wants 10000sek to install one, so I told them where to stick it :)

Re:Retarded (1)

julesh (229690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223924)

Outright retarded article... Mobile data fees are so expensive that this whole story it makes no sense whatsoever

15GB for £20 still costs somewhat less than buying original copies of most of what you'd be downloading. Sure, it's more expensive than a fixed line phone deal, but if you need it anyway (e.g. for accessing email while on the road) then it's probably actually more cost effective than having two subscriptions.

Telling users how to get away with piracy? (2, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219364)

Who hijacked slashdot for this "story"? Is the slashdot torrent tracker next? I guess it's not too far a stretch. Instead of 100 inane "frist post" comments they're all be converted to "Please seed" instead. Instead of flamewars about Apple, Microsoft, or Google, we can all start flames about the torrents containing viruses or whose torrent of the latest 0 dayz warez is better than whose. Welcome to the new slashdot. Not so different to the old!

Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30219670)

Please seed.

Yarr, matey! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30220198)

This comment has been at 99% for two weeks now! Plz seed!!!!!!@#!eleven!

Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? (0, Offtopic)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220228)

We the People have granted a *temporary* monopoly to authors so they earn some money off their product. This monopoly is intended to benefit the People by enriching our lives, and the lives of the authors, not to go-around ruining various citizens lives with million-dollar court punishments and/or threatening persons with $5000 extortionate letters ("pay up or else"). We the People gave these authors a generous monopoly over their works, and they have abused it. Like a kid who takes crayons and scrawls on your wallpaper.

Since they have demonstrated they can not handle the responsibility, it's time for we the people to take-back the monopoly. You couldn't behave. You ruined people's lives and are *destroying* our culture instead of enriching it. And now you're done.

The crayons are being taken away.

Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30220368)

And as a show of good faith, the first limited monopoly on copyrights to go are those held by the Free Software Foundation!
No more copyright on GNU/Linux!
No more GNU GPL!
HOORAY!!!! ... crickets ...

What?
Was it something I said?

Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? (2, Insightful)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220620)

Citation where GPL authors have behaved in a manner like the OP talked about, please?

And even if we did return to 14 years for copyright, including for GPL, I don't see why that's a problem. Yeah, it means that someone will be able to use and modify a 1995 Linux without distributing the source - OMG!

Re:Telling users how to get away with piracy? (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220482)

Please see this: Thread [slashdot.org] for some suitable outrage yay! But also, please see this: Book [thepublicdomain.org] (its a free download) for facts.

A lesser form of the FSOSA meme... (1)

enselsharon (968932) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219418)

I don't think FSOSA (free speech or stone age) had this (somewhat middle ground) scenario in mind, but it rhymes quite a bit.

Basically, you can't quash speech unless people can't access laptops and wireless cards. Period. You either go back to the stone age or accept arbitrary, free speech.

But in this case you don't even need to resort to some grassroots, duct-taped together community mesh network - you just need to get one or two abstractions away from the proper "Internet" and you're already there. Which is really great news, actually.

The wonders of NAT (1)

Ponderu (83099) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219436)

For those who haven't RTFA, they're pretty much just saying that mobile networks in the UK use NAT for their data connections so there's no way to narrow connections to one user.

Re:The wonders of NAT (2, Informative)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220028)

And this will stop being true for LTE (4g). Since the handset acts as a server for certain communications, it requires at least one dedicated IP address per active subscriber. Mobile File-sharing won't be a major issue until 4G proliferates anyway.

Re:The wonders of NAT (1)

Ghubi (1102775) | more than 4 years ago | (#30222166)

so 4G is going to rely on IPv6?

Simple Solution (1)

amiga3D (567632) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219466)

The solution to the problem of file sharing is very simple. All they need do is put a government program on the computer that monitors everything the user does and reports to the people assigned to monitor the citizens. Better yet would be to build this into the government mandated operating system or even better, government mandated hardware dongle. Problem solved. After all, no one's under the delusion that they have a right to privacy anymore, right?

Re:Simple Solution (1)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220012)

and if you could not turn the government propaganda sound off, even better.

Re:Simple Solution (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220510)

Don't get ahead of yourself! Thats only in tentative planning for now! Need more bribes, er.. campaign donations, before it moves further than that!

Re:Simple Solution (1)

angelbunny (1501333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223636)

Sounds very nazi like.. the people watching the people. uggg...

Everyone has always known... (1)

Lord Bitman (95493) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219674)

Filesharing is "the perfect crime" in any situation which doesn't involve horrible crippling of networks. There has NEVER been a solid mapping between "person" and "network route", and there never will be on any sane network architecture.

Root Conflict (2, Interesting)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219708)

There is a book called, The Public Domain [thepublicdomain.org] written by a professor of law from the Duke Law School. You can download an electronic version legally and for free from that link. It outlines the conflicts facing areas of creativity like the arts and sciences and explains the history of how it came to be so enclosed. It also does not pull any punches, it supports industry where deserved and advocates Citizen interests where right. It certainly is a lot better than my rants and raves when I scream: I Want My Public Domain [slashdot.org] ! Although he has more reasons to be tactful than I. Inform yourself, read the free book. I am and once I'm done I'm going to go read some Pirate Party propaganda to see if it is compatible with the good professor.

Ban anonymous prepaid (2, Insightful)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219736)

And require all devices to be registered, with clients shimmed into your ip stack being required to access anything online. This is where it will end up. Everyone will be running something like the old netzero client .. ack.

Remember only terrorists and pirates want to be anonymous... You have nothing to hide.. do you ?

Re:Ban anonymous prepaid (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30219994)

As I posted above, over 50% of the UK mobile phone market is made up of pre-paid phones; it would be utterly devastating to the industry to do away with PAYG phones.

Re:Ban anonymous prepaid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30220194)

You'll just have to swipe your spiffy new national ID card when you buy your SIM.

ID cards good for buying phones! (1)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220684)

Indeed - the Government's current strategy for touting the "benefits" of the new national ID card and database scheme are:

1. Put up the price of the passport (used to be £30-40 a few years ago, it's £77 now, and when it merges with the ID card in a couple of years, it'll be £93 plus £30 processing fees).

2. Start insisting that more and more places require ID (one example of this is that the police are now increasingly requiring that pubs and clubs introduce a ID scanning policy - of everyone, even if they know you're old enough). Conveniently make it so that only a passport or ID card can be used, ignoring the perfectly good (and cheap) existing forms of voluntary ID such as the CitizenCard.

3. Say: Look how great the ID card is, you can use it for this, and it "only" costs £30 (plus an extra £30 processing fees that we won't mention), cheaper than the now inflated-cost passport. Following on from my pub/club example, here we are [bbc.co.uk] - the BBC very kindly reproduce the spin from the Government press release.

Re:Ban anonymous prepaid (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220414)

I didn't say ban prepaid. I said ban *anonymous* prepaid. I can see them requiring ID to buy a device, and then track additional minutes you buy back to a particular device.

"Specific Users"?? (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220000)

>According to the article, databases (tracking IP address mappings) could be built to make it possible to identify what specific users are downloading

Exactly how is knowing an IP address mapping going to tell anyone which SPECIFIC USER is doing anything? It might tell you which account is doing something. But last I checked, that doesn't tie to a person. Any number of people might use a single IP address. At work, we have 150+ users behind a single IP address.

So, an account holder will be guilty, regardless of who the "user" actually was.

Re:"Specific Users"?? (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220122)

Unfortunately, it's a long-standing tradition that IP addresses should be used as a unique identifier; we've got 1.3 million people [www.nhs.uk] behind a handful of IP addresses at work and it causes no end of fun when people like Microsoft decide to blacklist them within Live Mail for sending too high a volume of email and therefore being a spam bot, which they've done twice this year so far..

Re:"Specific Users"?? (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220540)

Heh, should start a cooperative-run ISP connected to the bone which all it does is route traffic through network address translation! Would that work?

No CELL PHONES FOR YOU (1)

CHRONOSS2008 (1226498) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220172)

CELL SOUP NAZI declares NO CELL PHONES FOR YOU

you cannot break ANY law knowingly and if you do well you goto prison or get fined into non existance thus i can see that ALL cell networks in the UK will go poof unless they rethink said law.

GOOD about time stupidity came back to bite these twits.

Sentiment (1)

headkase (533448) | more than 4 years ago | (#30220232)

Your sentiment is valid, but you need to twist the finer nuances of language to manipulate change to your liking.

It Gets Tricky... (1)

Bob9113 (14996) | more than 4 years ago | (#30221258)

Making laws is easy when it is a vetted and money'd interest on one side and some upstart disruptive ne'er do well on the other. Things get a bit more complicated when there is influence on both sides of the issue. How can lawmakers possibly know what is right when there are bribes available on both sides of an issue? It is an unreasonable thing we ask of them -- ultimately they have to try to predict which side will be able to give them more money in the future.

Seriously... (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30222182)

... all this really does is give them more dead horse to beat on.

All the while not considering that piracy is so widespread it is best described as 'natural' and is found ubiquitous among the poor, rich, educated, ignorant, moral, and immoral. Piracy is almost as common as laughing, and probably more popular than religion.

No.... lets pretend this is a curable disease; an infestation of the people's perception that can be righted..... lets beat this frikking horse to pieces and when the path gets awkward, beat it some more!!!!!
--------

Or... Or we could try to understand peoples and cultures and not try to incriminate ourselves (yes we permit our governments that tickle/torture/incriminate us) --- maybe we could find better business and cultural/legal models that are realistic.... What.. did I just say REALISTIC?

Yes... realistic. If bread was digital, we'd all be making copies. And that is realistic.

File-sharing via a mobile only for music really (1)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30223908)

I have a Vodafone mobile dongle and it costs me £15 per 1GB for pre-pay and they are hardly the cheapest ones out there.

They don't have my name or any other contact information on me (I went to the store in person, bought the dongle and paid in cash) so anything I do through it cannot be associated with my name (as long as I never "load more money" into that account with a credit/debit card).

That said, at £15 a GB, file-sharing is only really worth it if what you're downloading is music (in the UK, if buy MP3 music tracks from places like iTunes or Amazon it will cost you in about £1.00 - aprox. $1.50 - per track) or DivX compressed movies.

Speed-wise, it is quite fast, between 1Mb/s - 3Mb/s downstream.

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