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India To Have Automatic Communications Monitoring

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the top-down-with-a-vengeance dept.

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angry tapir writes "India plans to set up a centralized system to monitor communications on mobile phones, landlines and the Internet in the country, a minister has told the Rajya Sabha, the upper house of Parliament. Indian laws allow the interception and monitoring of communications under certain conditions, including to counter terrorism. A pilot of the new Centralized Monitoring System (CMS) is to be started by June next year, subject to clearances by other government agencies."

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They already have this! (5, Funny)

JDeane (1402533) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243180)

Your call may be monitored for quality control purposes.

Re:They already have this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243334)

I'm sorry I can't understand a god damn thing you're saying, I'm going to need speak to a native english speaker..

Re:They already have this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243442)

"I'm sorry sir, but nobody here speaks American English. The guy who was supposed to teach us that language turned out to be a baboon from Kenya, and the authorities refused to allow us to keep it due to local bylaws."

They are just like the Chinese. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243398)

The irony of India is that the Indian democracy is so flawed that it is little better than the Chinese dictatorship of President Hu Jintao.

Though India is a supposed democracy, it shares numerous similarities with China. Both India and China are impoverished, but Chinese wealth is inceasing more rapidly than Indian wealth. In fact, India is so screwed up that it is often presented as a rebuttal against the claim that wealth generation requires a democracy.

Both India and China aggressively build nuclear weapons.

Both India and China waste money on the race into outer space when both countries are still quite poor.

Both Indians and Chinese are nationalistic to a fault.

Both Indians and Chinese send spies to the USA.

Both Indians and Chinese kill female fetuses, resulting in a skewed ratio of 1.08 male babies to 1.0 female babies.

The only differences between India and China are that India is a democracy and has a popular sport called "honor killings" (by which brides are murdered if they "dishonor" their husbands). Besides these 2 differences, everything else is the same -- including government monitoring of private Internet and phone communication.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243444)

Why do you leave the third obvious country out of your list?
One that builds nuclear weapons.
One that wastes money on the race into outer space, while being in the deepest debt in the history of mankind.
One that is nationalistic to a fault.
One that sends spies to India and China.
One that kills fetuses and adults all around the middle east.
One that monitors private internet and phone communication inside and outside its territory.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243970)

A macaca wrote, "One that builds nuclear weapons."

The Americans build nuclear weapons, and so do the French. They do so when their nations are rich. In fact, the United States is so rich that millions of Indians demand to be allowed into the USA. They bitch and scream to be admitted into the USA.

Only dumb Indians spend billions of dollars on a nuclear-arms race when their nation is poor.

"One that wastes money on the race into outer space, while being in the deepest debt in the history of mankind."

The governments of both Japan and the USA are heavily in debt, but they are still the 2 richest nations on the plant. In fact, the United States is so rich that millions of Indians demand to be allowed into the USA. They bitch and scream to be admitted into the USA.

"One that is nationalistic to a fault."

The United States is regularly criticized and condemned in numerous articles on SlashDot, but American moderators do not automatically mod such articles down. By contrast, articles which criticize and condemn India are automatically modded down by Indian moderators.

Allow me to repeat myself. India is shockingly inferior to all nations -- USA, Japan, France, Poland, etc. in the West.

"One that sends spies to India and China."

Both India and China are threats to the West. Westerners should point their nuclear weapons and their spies at both monsters.

"One that kills fetuses and adults all around the middle east."

You must be referring to the suicide bombers of Middle Eastern and South Asian (and Indian) origin.

"One that monitors private internet and phone communication inside and outside its territory."

Such monitoring is done within the framework of the constitution of the USA, France, etc.

Again, the United States (and the rest of the West) is so rich and wonderful that millions of Indians demand to be allowed into the USA. They bitch and scream to be admitted into the USA. That is how disgusting, backward, and barbaric India is. The direction of migration tells the whole story.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30245006)

I love how this equivalence of India has absolutely no response to the routine killing of female fetuses. The lame retort of "fetuses and adults all around the middle east" shows how empty this post is.

The fact is that India has serious societal problems and trying to compare it with the West is idiotic.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243474)

You are thinking through your ass. There's a day and night difference between your compasison between India and china. Yeah, much of your argument holds water, but there's a lot you have missed out.

* You can challenge the government at any point of time, you simply cannot oppose the chinese government at any point of time. i can type what I want against the government at any point of time, unlike in china, where raising as much of a whimper might get you killed, or disappear without a trace.
* indians use a lot of their space programmes to launch satellites on a shoestring budgets, which cost a quarter or less than that of say USA., we launch our own satellites for communications, plus earn from sending satellites for other countries. USa has a lot of poor people of their own - why dont they sort their issues first ?
* India has a smaller nuclear arsenal than pakistan
* Indians are not nationalistic at all, you had that situation before liberalization.
* we have Indians spies, and a top RAW operative at that, defecting to the USA, and USA doing all and best to buy his way out!

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (3, Interesting)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243476)

Great. Another American high horse. Because democracy in the US of A is the gold standard by which the free world should measure itself.
- The US builds and holds more nuclear weapons than the rest of the world combined
- US military spending accounts for 60% of the total world military spending, outpacing all other industrialized nations by more than double on a per-capita basis.
- An American calling another nation nationalistic is beyond pot calling the kettle black.
- The CIA and NSA have hundreds of stations on every other continent, and that's just what's published.
- Killing fetuses? Sorry, I got nothing on this one.
The only difference between the USA and China is that Americans *think* they are free, and no people are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who truly believes he is free. How often do you think "honor killings" actually happen? Its a crime there, called murder. The murder rate in the USA is far higher in per capita terms than in India or China.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (1)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244754)

Great. Another American high horse.

You think he's American? He sounds to me like the Indian dissidents I know, who whoever they fall on the spectrum believe that the highly touted "democracy" of their nation is a farce.

Re:They are just like the Chinese. (1)

ShakaUVM (157947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243848)

Well, at least they can't blame it on the 2-party system in India, eh?

Kinda takes the wind out of the sail out of a lot of the parroted arguments made on /..

Re:They already have this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243648)

Yeah ... haa haa haa ... lets laugh. The "quality control" is done by American ivy-league graduates who don't have any clue about what to do with their MBAs. So "they" don't have this. US of A has it. Sometimes it appears US of A with all its democratic pandering is the biggest and most horrible enemy of democracy. Snooping innocent citizens and letting the elite pull the strings. Seems no difference between modern US of A and Stalinistic Russia. Its fun to see Americans making half-assed comments about a country which is the sole reason their land was discovered by Columbus. Haa haa haa.

Support (5, Funny)

rhook (943951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243196)

I feel bad for whoever has to read the transcripts from all those tech support calls.

Re:Support (1)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244500)

Me too. I wouldn't be surprised that "Automatic" in India meant someone getting paid $1 per day to listen to calls all day.

At least we know... (4, Insightful)

brindafella (702231) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243198)

At least we know that there will be a system like this. In many countries it is suspected, there's a "wink and a nod", someone says there's such a system, etc, but there's no proof. In India, there will be no doubt.

26/11 is India's 9/11 ... they picked the day (4, Insightful)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244136)

The Research & Analysis wing in India has always had significant electronic intelligence hardware and has always been looking for more funding & more engineers to work for them. I know in some sense that they are indeed working their things to let me live my life in some sort of passive ignorance. The thing that pisses me off about this is the day and time they decided to announce this.

I haven't touched yesterday's copy of my paper (the hindu [thehindu.com]), because it is very likely that the mass hysteria about the last year's terror attacks in Mumbai will overcome any real news that they have to say. I feel sad for the victims of the attack, but in the fight between the government and the terrorists (well, militants for the 90s people), the rights that really being eaten away are mine.

So, pushing this legislature yesterday was an act of emotional blackmail on an entire country. To do this while they're still feeling vulnerable and to ensure that anyone opposing it will get vilified in the press.

Re:26/11 is India's 9/11 ... they picked the day (0, Troll)

BhaKi (1316335) | more than 4 years ago | (#30245846)

I haven't touched yesterday's copy of my paper (the hindu [thehindu.com])

That explains why your post has anger rather than surprise. If you read the paper, you would be surprised that Hindu didn't report it, nor did any Indian news paper.

Re:26/11 is India's 9/11 ... they picked the day (0, Redundant)

BhaKi (1316335) | more than 4 years ago | (#30253342)

Why have I been modded troll? I have 'The Hindu' and 'Times of India' right beside my desk and neither of them reported it. A quick google search shows that the only people who first reported it is the IDG news and rest of the news world just copied it. And none of the news sites that turn up in the search are Indian. Call me troll or conspiracy theorist or whatever. I don't blame you because you are just a victim of the propaganda.

Re:26/11 is India's 9/11 ... they picked the day (1)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246256)

So, pushing this legislature yesterday was an act of emotional blackmail on an entire country. To do this while they're still feeling vulnerable and to ensure that anyone opposing it will get vilified in the press.

But its so damned effective in getting people to give up their rights and think it was a good idea.

"So this is how democracy dies, not with a whimper but shouts and flag waving"

Re:26/11 is India's 9/11 ... they picked the day (1)

dodobh (65811) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246458)

You assume that the time of release was a coincidence. It was not. Speaking of which, we need to switch to SSL and PGP for communication. KSP at FOSS.IN.

Re:At least we know... (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#30245172)

At least we know that there will be a system like this. In many countries it is suspected, there's a "wink and a nod", someone says there's such a system, etc, but there's no proof. In India, there will be no doubt.

It also shows that unlike many others, the Indians do not "think of the children".
Shameful.
Todays children are the terr..., no, freedom figh... uh, ah yes, consumers of tomorrow ! Think of the children !

Spain has it too (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243200)

Look for "SITEL" in Spain, the actual government monitorizes the communications without judges control.

Impractical. Money not well spent. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243202)

For a country of 1 billion people where even the remotest of villages are obsessed with mobile phones, it is highly unrealistic to expect complete mobile monitoring. The money probably is much better spent in other more deserving development efforts. Add to that 26 official languages and thousands of regional dialects for which speech to text hasn't been properly researched yet, it is completely unresonable.

Also, finding loopholes in such a huge system, I think wouldn't present a problem. A simple word substitution would do the trick?

Plus the lack of privacy would probably mean the corruption in the government _will_ work against the idea. (Maybe high level politicos can wriggle out of it, but the rest?)

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243234)

Give the "siemens nokia" of this world the cash and you can have any deep packet inspection you wish. Narus for all :)

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (1)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243318)

The money probably is much better spent in other more deserving development efforts.

It seems likely they are more interested in cross-boarder calls than from housewife to local market or mobile to mobile.

I suspect these intercepts would be used for after-the-fact interdiction rather than prevention of terrorism. In such cases, having the conversations on hard drive or tape is more important than someone finding the odd word or phrase that signals an attack.

As for the money being better spent, I submit that in this economy ANY spending by government is as useful as any other, and training people for high-tech jobs in telecommunications is probably as worth while as any equivalent spending on water or sewer or street projects.

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (1)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243658)

"As for the money being better spent, I submit that in this economy ANY spending by government is as useful as any other"

Bollocks. Privatizationist bollocks. 900 billion dollar bailout package? Spending it any which way will be as good as any other?

* Why not spend it on setting up a totally new energy infrastructure? Government and industry has for years been telling us that the tech is there, it's just a chicken or the egg problem, no fuel depots stock alternative fuel coz there are no alternative fuel cars, and there are no alternative fuel cars coz there are no depots. Last estimate I saw put the cost of redeploying all major gas stations with hydrogen at about $150b. The remaining $650b is enough to purchase over 20 million hydrogen cars (or electric depending on which way you went).
* Invested returns on $900b (presuming it was invested in a highly diversified, global portfolio) would be enough to give free healthcare to all of the 12% of people in the US living below the poverty line forever. Alternatively, if directly spent, it would provide that healthcare for almost 10 years.
* $900b would be enough to build solar energy capacity to generate 900gigawatts of capacity. The US currently uses about 550GW (source [wikipedia.org])

Sorry, but I don't believe that's no better than giving money to the assholes who caused the problem in the first place, and it's certainly better than $random_spending that you say would be just as good.

Blind economic injection by government is a Keynesian idea that needs to die like the lame dog of an idea that it is. Government money *has* value, and should be spent (shock!) wisely.

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (2, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243700)

* Why not spend it on setting up a totally new energy infrastructure?

Ok, have you had time to take your meds yet?

The amount of money required for India to set up a monitoring structure is in no way adequate to the task of setting up a totally new energy infrastructure.

Nor was India involved in any way in a $900 billion bailout.

If you won't read the article, and you won't read the summary, at LEAST read the TITLE where you will find the first word is INDIA.

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (1)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243704)

I always find people who say "Why spend money on all this tech.. let's put food on the table for so many thousands" extremely naive and stupid. What's the point of giving all those things to those people if we're suddenly nuked? Is free food and clothing going to defend against terrorist plots? A country that helps the poor while others spend on space research, could look extremely stupid when 20 years down the line, it's dominated by others that put their monies in greener pastures. Also we need to explore feasibility of life on other planets because the human race is would be a waste if it puts all its eggs in one basket. Ultimately knowledge is strength and the smartest country and not the most well fed one will prevail.

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244434)

Not just money not well spent. Its a criminal waste of funds during the most severe drought in recent history and record starvation numbers in the country. The government will throw money down the drain to appease the media which is baying for blood on the anniversary of the Mumbai terror attacks.

I'm an Indian, by the way

Re:Impractical. Money not well spent. (2, Insightful)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244784)

Considering how, supposedly, the ratio of SMS to voice traffic is much higher in India and other developing economies, this isn't that far-fetched as it seems.

Priorities (4, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243204)

So they want to spend the money and effort to roll this out while people are pissing and shitting on the streets in holes, and showering with buckets?!

Re:Priorities (2, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243314)

True, but what's new here?! You are saying this as if other countries and governments are working with correct priorities. We don't have to go too far to see that.

Re:Priorities (1, Insightful)

icebike (68054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243322)

That hardly characterizes the majority of India.

Re:Priorities (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243422)

Exactly how many people do you need shitting in holes and sleeping on bicycles on highway dividers until it becomes an attention worthy problem? You're probably right - this doesn't characterize the "majority" of people in india - only maybe 200m or so.

Re:Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243928)

200m ~ thats 20% of the total population of India. I would say thats ok. India can live with that. Especially for all you white boys cribbing about our bad administration - you should know that it was your "rum-drinking", "fucking-anything-on-2-legs", "sailing-like-a-fucktard-across-the-globe", "fore-fuckin-fathers" who are the root of all the problems of India. You grew you're decadent civilization by exploiting ours and are now complaining we're not doing the right thing?! Way to go smart ass! Don't forget your nigger ghettos and white crack whores and that mixed race buffoon president of yours. Atleast our culture saw some high points without any need to fuck other society's women. American = Whining Losers. White People = Disgrace on humanity. Fuck off. Seriously

Re:Priorities (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246286)

Sorry, compassion for the individual is the topic being discussed, and two wrongs don't make a right.

Re:Priorities (1)

dodobh (65811) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246496)

Right. We should follow historical precedent and send our poor and criminals out of the country. Preferably to some place over the ocean. Might as well send them to the US. Ideally with measles and drug resistant TB infected blankets.

Re:Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30247014)

Wow! You are an arrogant, pathetic little shit...

Re:Priorities (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243348)

It's karma, bro! Shouldn't have been a douchbag in your past life...

This is just a clear example of how "fighting terrorism" is merely used to justify any increase in surveillance on the populace. Actually giving a shit about the welfare of the individual citizens isn't even on the radar. That's why the argument is so useful, since it's up to each citizen to add "for my wellbeing" to "fighting terrorism"... they feel like they are agreeing with the given reason when they fill in the blank.

Re:Priorities (1)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243540)

I've been to India. Some of the clearest cell reception I got was in this little wide-spot in the road in this little valley cradled in the foothills of the Himalayas. They had no police protection (for all the good that does you over there), they didn't have consistent electricity, they drew their water from the river and their idea of modern sanitation was a porcelain hole in the ground and not looking at the riverbanks where they dumped their garbage, but they had damn fine cell reception.

That country's higher-ups have some serious priorities problems.

Re:Priorities (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243786)

You've been to India? Oh wow! You're extrapolating a minor anecdote on cell reception at a wide-spot in the foothills of Himalayas to the rest of the country on 'god-knows-what-the-fuck-you-are-trying-to-say' basis? You're such a wise traveler! And all you could recall from the foothills of Himalayas is a 'porcelain hole', 'no police protection' and 'inconsistent(!!) electricity'? I feel so fuckin sorry for you! You obviously are an ignorant fool. GTFO.

Re:Priorities (1)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243836)

Are you actually judging India by what you experienced in the Himalayas? How stupid are you? That's like judging US by visiting mountains and campgrounds.

Re:Priorities (1)

Ian Alexander (997430) | more than 4 years ago | (#30247406)

No, I'm also judging it by what I saw in the cities and medium-sized towns scattered across the subcontinent. The little village was just a particularly poignant example for me.

Re:Priorities (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243952)

Its the same all over the third world. For example it is considered normal in Malaysia to stack piles of household rubbish beside the road. This happens in towns and urban areas. I saw one otherwise idyllic fishing village on Pulau Langkawi with a huge pile of rotting garbage right on the road leading into the village.

Every new generation will make some improvement as a few of their people soak up the norms from the first world countries. I don't think it has anything to do with the Government. Its just about what seems normal for the people there.

Re:Priorities (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246376)

Seen the same thing in Indonesia. It's partially what is considered the "norm" for people living there, but mostly the fact there is no organized municipal rubbish pickup - whether privately run or public - so people just dump trash anyplace that seems handy.

Re:Priorities (1)

calanor (1653819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244604)

The telecommunication services are in good shape because people want it, and its "what PEOPLE want drives the market and services". Telecommunication in india is not driven by a government agencies (yeah it is monitored by TRAI so that consumers don't get screwed by companies like, i think, is the case in US) so whats your point about priorities problem with higher-ups ?

Re:Priorities (1)

8086 (705094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244260)

'Showering' with buckets is actually not that bad. You end up saving a lot of water that way, and you can control the water's temperature more easily (as opposed to having to constantly adjust the hot/cold knob). I used to do it.

Re:Priorities (1)

binaryartist (1172973) | more than 4 years ago | (#30246678)

So, are you saying there should be no investment in defence or counter-terrorism or space programs just because people are (quoting you) "pissing and shitting on the streets"? One Idea is that Investing in security will create a safe environment that will create jobs that will eventually decrease poverty ( I guess a more dignified way to put it? )

Please, could you (1)

mahadiga (1346169) | more than 4 years ago | (#30253436)

If you meet anybody from India ask him for his CASTE to let him know that your country is concerned about RACISM in India.

Outsouring effects... (3, Interesting)

canadian_in_beijing (1234768) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243208)

Kind of interesting seeing India go into spheres of protectionism like China`s firewall... early stages Sounds like a major blow to the Indian outsourcing industry. What major company would want any government organization intercepting their business. Back doors implemented by the government are never good for the consumer or general Indian population.

Re:Outsouring effects... (4, Insightful)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243690)

If they were worried about their business being intercepted they'd not hire 100 foreign nationals to carry out their business on foreign soil.

Re:Outsouring effects... (2, Insightful)

the_womble (580291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243830)

Outsources are mostly not governments. If you are a private sector business, there is not particular reason to think foreign nationals are less trustworthy than your own.

A lot of outsources are multinationals, so the idea of foreign nationals is not necessarily important anyway. If a company is officially head-quartered in Ireland for tax purposes, but most of the operations are in the UK, and the biggest shareholders lives in Monaco (also for tax reasons), what does nationality mean?

Re:Outsouring effects... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30245758)

You must understand what it's like to be in management: You need to be worried enough to flip out when something happens, but not worried enough to take even the most basic steps to prevent it.

Re:Outsouring effects... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244774)

I really hope your companies make a big fuss about this, though I don't have much hope.
The response from 90% of indians will be "Good". There's no concept of privacy here. Probably comes from rubbing elbows with people each time you go out and being around prying family from birth. A lot of people didn't know what the big deal was when batman could see everything in Dark Knight.

Mmm (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243214)

Indian pussy is pretty sweet pussy.

CMS (1)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243240)

So now CMS stands for "centralized monitoring system"... but Indians are doing an amateur job here, because anything centralized is doomed to become the single point of failure.

Real (social-)Engineers knows better: don't put all your eggs in one basket. E.g. Decentralized, distributed, p2p web of surveillance in the clouds. [std.com] (Grep for "Web Of Distrust" to see the relevant part.)

Inefficient current systems (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243258)

I remember 5 years back, there was this group of kidnappers that had to be nailed in Northern India and police had no proper equipment to trace their communications. Finally, some geeks and a professor were hired by police and they were successfully nabbed. Such a system is essential in India considering terrorist threats from Islamic and China supported socialist maoist extremists.

However, I am nervous as well, as I certainly wouldn't want corrupt govt. agencies snooping up on me :(

Should stop (2, Insightful)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243288)

The humans rights workers who expose things like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaswant_Singh_Khalra [wikipedia.org]
Burning thousands of bodies in double funeral pyres.
With the help of big telcos their work and contacts can be found.
A chat about national security and all is fine again :)

Re:Should stop (1)

zwei2stein (782480) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243986)

Wow, what don't you learn ... India having 'disappearing' citizens, 1984 style.

But I guess It was only to be expected, after all Oceania is not alone on world ... Eurasia and Eastasia need to catch up.

implementation.. (1)

greak (699415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243308)

god knows how are they planning to implement this.. i seriously doubt if this can be implemented, lot of such ground breaking/interesting/first of its kind/mouth-watering/first-time-in- the-world "Projects" are announced but they seldom see the light of the day..

Re:implementation.. (3, Funny)

crispytwo (1144275) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243448)

Things to keep in mind:
* When it costs a trillion dollars, they will squash it.
* you will know your call is being monitored because the lights will dim
* you will know when something you said/did requires deeper look because the lights will go out and your call or internet will become choppy or drop
* you will know when you said something suspicious but they don't know why, and you will wake up in The Village.
* you will know your neighbour is trouble because your lights will dim often.

Re:implementation.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244164)

what the fuck are you smoking asshole?

The internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243312)

Monitoring the internet?

Problems:
-You are going to get a huge list. Looking through it is unrealistic.
-You are going to get a huge list. You need space to store this. *This* problem is solvable, but, realistically is it worth it?
-I am sure there are more teenagers who google "how to make bomb" than there are terrorists.
-Anyone doing anything "secret" will just use a proxy. Sure, there are ways to find out what site they viewed anyway, but first you would have to single them out, out of the many results, knowing that they used a proxy.
-Again, the list will be huge. There is no way you are going to learn how each site interfaces with the user, therefore, all you have is the site they visited and not the way they used it.
-And, of course, people doing anything "secret" can easily encrypt their email/what not which fucks the whole thing. I anyone encrypts their email right now, but if something like this started to catch people, people doing... important things would start to encrypt their email.

Re:The internet? (1)

Calydor (739835) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243326)

And so the only people encrypting their email will be people with something to hide, so encryption is an instant "Get picked up by a black donkey" card.

Re:The internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243358)

Erm, and how are they supposed to know who the person encrypting their email is? I don't think you thought this out.

HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243350)

I read this as " India To Have Autistic Communications Monitoring" and I thought "Well that wouldn't be very useful, would it?"

Sound familiar? (1)

zmaragdus (1686342) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243396)

Seems like India's version of the Patriot Act has given them some ideas on what to do with their newly-legalized abilities. At least they have the courtesy to be forward and open about it (unlike other countries {cough} USA {cough}). At the least, very few nations beyond China have instituted punishments for Thoughtcrime. Big Brother is watching you!

A good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243406)

To those who are living in *free* countries: Do you really believe you are not being monitored? if yes, I want to sell you a tower in this city of Paris.

My hunch is that this is aimed at Muslims, who are responsible for most of the recent terror attacks. If a system like this can help, it has my blessings.

Re:A good move (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244326)

You're a question-begging idiot. I'm Canadian. If there is monitoring going on, it's not the government who's doing it. Unless I'm being investigated by the police, but they usually have to tell you that you are being investigated before they can set up surveillance.

That will have VERY interesting side effects.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243644)

Just imagine, you're the average multinational who has outsourced operations to India. From now on, every fragment of your communication can now be accessed by the Indian government.

Hell, why bother with industrial espionage, let's just follow the US model..

Re:That will have VERY interesting side effects.. (1)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243740)

How do you come to this conclusion without knowing what the policies will be?

Mandatory registration... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243660)

Considering that all SIMs and landline phones must be registered to a particular person--down to the PAN (like SSN/SIN) or passport number of foreign nationals, which is then actually verified--this has some pretty frightening implications.

So what? Chill out. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243682)

For all the moaning, nobody is taking any steps to stop it, so why not just chill out, sit back, and accept the inevitable.

That's what you get for sitting on your fat butt moaning all day while your representative in parliament is busy toadying up to big business and the security services.

World's largest democracy! (2, Insightful)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243754)

World's largest democracy!
World's largest democracy!
World's largest democracy!

Re:World's largest democracy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244494)

Didn't America start taking finger prints of people who came up there after 9/11? Only yesterday was the anniversary of the Nov-26 Bombay/Mumbai attacks. And it has been proved beyond doubt that many of the attack have been using internet and other technologies. So I say, its fair enough. For all you know, as another thread stated, US of A already has it but not disclosed. At least the Indians know it. So if you are in the clear you may have nothing to fear. Remember something on the lines of 'Let the one who has never sinned cast the first stone'. That should how Americans should live by ..
Go on.. mod me down...

Re:World's largest democracy! (1)

Alex Belits (437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30252062)

This is the first time in literally decades when I was accused of defending US government or Americans in general.

Holy cow... (1)

flyingfsck (986395) | more than 4 years ago | (#30243870)

A country with so many languages and gods probably needs such a system, but implementing it would be a nightmare.

bit3h (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30243900)

but suffice it AAl along. *BSD Who sell another

encryption (1)

StripedCow (776465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244148)

Why worry about this when we're already en-masse handing over all our private information to gmail? You don't think these communications are
monitored? Of course they are, at least for advertisement-purposes.

I say we need encryption at the client-to-client level. Something by which we can still use gmail, but in such a way that even google cannot inspect our communications.

I guess that some simple extensions to javascript/html would do the trick (in principle it could be done in javascript, but you'll also want to encrypt attachments).
However, I have the feeling that at least in chrome we won't see such an extension coming soon... perhaps firefox... (there's already a plugin called firegpg but I'm not sure if it encrypts attachments).

Spammers attention (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244160)

Did you know you can get 1000x the coverage and attention to your spam messages and websites by including names of notable politicians, places and threatening words and verbs in them?

The Indians are being very ambitious (1)

rpjs (126615) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244322)

They've also embarked on a population registration database and ID card scheme - for a population of nearly a billion. Given the scepticism critics have expressed here in the UK about the technical feasibility of the British Government's similar schemes (the National Identity Register and Interception Modernisation Project), I can't help feeling that the Indian officials have succumbed to an even larger dose of snake-oil than ours have.

Re:The Indians are being very ambitious (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30244854)

A tip from a Russian citizen.

It's not about ambitions, it's about corruption. What's the point of stealing 100,000 $ when you can steal 10,000,000,000 $ ?

If you hear, that a developing country will make a world breakthrough in a sophisticated field of research, without industrial base for it, without experience or prior research in this field, but with astronomical budget and in a few years - it's bullshit. More bullshit points, if you hear words like "national", "Motherland", "security", "modernization", "leading position", "unique", "for the good of people" and "in the interest of the country".

It doesn't matter if this system will work or not. It's all about the money.

N900, iPhone etc. (1)

muckracer (1204794) | more than 4 years ago | (#30244810)

Since this is happening not just in India, what measures can we take to protect ourselves? For example, with the Nokia 900 Linux-based phone or iPhone etc....do any apps exist, that will encrypt the conversations (similar to cryptophone, just actually affordable)? Anyone got any suggestions and/or experiences?

It's not true, don't believe it (0, Troll)

BhaKi (1316335) | more than 4 years ago | (#30245438)

No popular Indian newspaper reported anything like that. I'm pretty sure that this news has been created by the manipulation wing of CIA and published by its media partners. Those filthy bastards don't like to be idle. Now that they've exhausted all the crap they can publish about China, they've turned towards India. Please don't believe them.
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