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A Dual-Screen 10.1" Laptop In Time For the Holidays

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the netbook-with-a-two-page-spread dept.

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JoshuaInNippon writes "Japanese computer manufacture Kohjinsha has announced that it will begin selling a 10.1" dual-screen laptop on Dec. 11 — in Japan only. While it is not the first dual-screen laptop, a title claimed by the monstrous 17" Lenovo Thinkpad W700ds series, the Kohjinsha sure looks much more portable and stylish. The Thinkpad's extra screen pulls out slightly from one side for about a 40% increase on its display, whereas on the Kohjinsha's two full separate screens spread out symmetrically from the center. While specs are admittedly lower than the Thinkpad, the DZ series certainly wins on cost. The starting price will be ¥79,800, about $900, in Japan (exporters will likely mark that price up slightly), compared with the Thinkpad at well over $2,000. Kohjinsha says the laptop is great for working on 'large business documents' (e.g. excessively wide spreadsheets), or watching videos while surfing the Web, which is likely what most users will be doing with it. The timing and the price certainly make the Kohjinsha DZ series a tempting toy idea for holiday giving — perhaps to oneself."

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It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (0)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256814)

Specs are 1.6ghz AMD, 1gb ram, 160gb hd, ATI 3200, so it's barely more than a Acer Aspire One with a second 10" screen [wikipedia.org] , so why the $700 price difference [google.com] ? I imagine we'll see these going for ~$300 to $400 by spring.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (4, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256954)

Specs are 1.6ghz AMD, 1gb ram, 160gb hd, ATI 3200, so it's barely more than a Acer Aspire One with a second 10" screen

I have a Gateway LT3103u and an Acer Aspire One D250-1165 and the Gateway beats the pants off the Aspire... with a 1.2 GHz Athlon 64 L110. Now we're talking about an even-more-capable K8 core at an even-higher clock rate and you want to compare it on a clock-for-clock basis with an Atom processor? I thought we were done with that nonsense some time ago.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (1)

Idbar (1034346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257066)

What's the battery consumption? I'm interested in AMDs, but the battery life is very important. How would you rate the Athlon vs. the Intel of the Aspire (N270 I imagine?) ?

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258314)

The Athlon is a bit more power-hungry, but it's hard to say just how much because this machine also has a bigger screen with the brightest backlight I've seen yet. The battery in this unit is much larger, etc etc. I get the feeling that the Atom-based system is 10-20% better in that department. Short form, if you want the longest runtime, get the Atom... especially if you plan to run anything other than Windows, the only place you're going to get full power management support at this point. (I would guess that there will be Athlon L110 support in the kernel in a tiny version or two.)

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30260060)

brightest backlight I've seen yet

If it's a problem just adjust it with xbacklight.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257800)

"Now we're talking about an even-more-capable K8 core at an even-higher clock rate and you want to compare it on a clock-for-clock basis with an Atom processor? I thought we were done with that nonsense some time ago.

read reviews before commenting [cnet.com] . Like I said, "it's barely more than a Acer Aspire One"

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258290)

The 1.2 GHz K8 is already substantially faster than the 1.6 GHz Atom. The 1.6 GHz K8 will widen the gap even more substantially.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30260378)

no it isn't.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257072)

Yeah, you'd honestly be better off doing some simple "enhancement modding" of a netbook with a second screen, even touchscreen if you wanted to.*
Velcro strips and a plastic container with some wheels to slide it out would do well. Stick it in the USB port and bham, dual screen.
This is an obviously over-simplistic description, but you get the picture.

* I saw a decent little 7.1" touchscreen earlier today powered and streamed over USB (~800x480 admittedly)... wish i remembered the site now.

Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (2, Interesting)

reporter (666905) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257186)

The price for the laptop made by Kohjinsha (based in Japan) is $900. The price for a laptop having similar features and made by Lenovo (based in China) is $2000. This pricing is quite surprising.

All Lenovo laptops are made in China, and the Kohjinsha laptop is made in Japan. How can a Japanese product be cheaper than a Chinese product, given that the cost of labor in Japan is much higher than the cost of labor in China?

The Kohjinsha product is the 2nd instance of such unusual pricing.

In 2008, a quick scan at Frys (the local electronics store) shows that all Fujitsu laptops are made in Japan. Most Sony laptops are made in China. (Only Sony laptops costing more than $2200 are made in Japan). What is interesting is that the made-in-Japan Fujitsu laptops have prices and features that are similar to the prices and the features of the made-in-China Sony laptops.

What is happening here? How can certain Japanese manufacturers (like Kohjinsha and Fujitsu) possibly price their products so low, keep their high-value manufacturing in Japan, yet still be profitable? What is the secret formula?

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (2, Interesting)

ZankerH (1401751) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257244)

A manufacture process than uses robots instead of children (than need to sleep 5 hours a day and eat every once in a while) for repetitive tasks, I'm guessing.

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (4, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257374)

>> The price for the laptop made by Kohjinsha (based in Japan) is $900. The price for a laptop having similar features and made by Lenovo (based in China) is $2000. This pricing is quite surprising.

Similar features? Where?

Kohjinsha:
==========
two thin 10.1 inch widescreen LCD screens with 1024x600 (WSVGA) display
AMD Athlon Neo MV-40 ( 1.6GHz ) processor 1GB of memory (with a max of 4GB)
a 160GB 2.5 inch SATA hard drive
an ATI Radeon HD 3200 internal graphics accelerator
a wireless LAN + Bluetooth
a 1.3 megapixel webcam
Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit.

Lenovo (basic, with nothing extra)
============
Intel Core 2 Duo processor T9600 (2.8GHz 1066MHz 6MBL2)
Genuine Windows 7 Professional 64
17" WUXGA 400NIT TFT + 10.6"WXGA+ TFT
NVIDIA Quadro FX 2700M 48-core CUDA parallel computing processor 512MB (dedicated)
2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
Ultranav + Fingerprint Reader
Non-RAID HDD, 160 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Integrated Bluetooth PAN
Intel WiFi Link 5300 (AGN) with My WiFi Technology

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (3, Informative)

bemymonkey (1244086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257774)

Awesome. The SECONDARY display on the Thinkpad has more pixels than both of the Kohjinsha's displays combined.

WSVGA (1024x600) is a step back into the last decade...

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (1)

Jesus_666 (702802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30260910)

It would be somewhat acceptable if the displays stacked vertically, giving us 1024x1200. 2048x600 is absurd.

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (1)

icegreentea (974342) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257452)

The only similar features between the W700ds and this is that they're both laptops and both have two screens. The W700 easily has more than 4 times the performance that this laptop has.

Re:Made in Japan: Cheaper Alternative? (2, Informative)

ikea5 (608732) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258908)

Kohjinsha is actually a subsidiary of Inventec based out of Taiwan. Inventec designs and manufactures Kohjinsha products.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257608)

1- the Atom really is much, much MUCH less powerful than any other CPU currently on the market, bar VIA's.
2- you're not paying for CPU power, you're paying for screens and design. Not only in money, but in battery life too.

Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257822)

"1- the Atom really is much, much MUCH less powerful than any other CPU currently on the market, bar VIA's."**

**citation needed

They still shoved a basic low-power processor in the laptop. Shame they didn't throw at least a core 2 duo in there and charge an even grand, at least with a c2d we wouldn't be making netbook references.

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Re:It's a Acer Aspire One with 2 screens (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30259646)

Because of the engineering required for a second screen to slide out and fold and such?

back2back (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30256832)

I want the dual screens to be back to back. So someone on the other side of me can see what I'm doing, except in reverse!

More than a gimmick? (2, Interesting)

kjart (941720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256852)

While I obviously understand not every product is tailored to my needs, I can't really see much of a need for this. The netbook level tech specs likely mean doing more than one thing at once would be painful. Plus, if you actually need a lot of screen real estate, you could likely get a larger laptop with more pixels (and more power under the hood) for around the same money.

Anyone around here think they would want one? Actually curious to hear about the appeal.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30256876)

Dual screens are a lot like garbage disposals and trash compactors for your kitchen: You can get along fine all your life without them, but once you use them, it's just not quite as nice without them. Think of it as a desktop where you can A) spread your papers out or B) have to keep all papers in a single stack. Option A can make many tasks quicker and easier. Dual screens are a nice convenience.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

Neuroelectronic (643221) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257052)

Too bad the resolution is 1024x600. Whatever productivity gain you might have gained with dual-display would be ruined by having to scroll constantly.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257620)

Agreed. For my new PC I went with a large (26") screen instead of 2x22" for the same price, and I regret my choice.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257934)

"For my new PC I went with a large (26") screen instead of 2x22" for the same price, and I regret my choice."

Glad I went the other way. I had the option of going big screen or adding a second LCD. Went with the second LCD and I love it, couldn't imagine life without it. Great having one page load while reading another, or a video running on one screen and searching with the other, and full screen games take up just one monitor while the other remains open. I'm actually considering going with a third LCD and a PCI-e x1 video card like a Radeon 4350 [newegg.com] since my mb is equipped with only one x16 slot.

I think a dual screen laptop would be very useful, I'd rather have two screens that slide out like demonstrated then a huge 19"

Re:More than a gimmick? (2, Funny)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258166)

Great having one page load while reading another

I use tabs for that, it's a little cheaper :)

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

scotch (102596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30259558)

Did you look back?

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258746)

Dual screens are a nice convenience.
Dual screens are indeed nice to have but IMO there are two big problems with this machine

1: The individual screens are 1024x600 which is just too low for many apps to be used comfortablly.
2: When unfolded this machine will be very wide, how often will you really have space to fully unfold it while on the go.

Re:More than a gimmick? (3, Funny)

RobVB (1566105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256878)

Dude, it's a frickin' dual screen laptop! I want one and I want it now. Who cares what it's good for.

Re:More than a gimmick? (2, Funny)

igny (716218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258280)

Fuck everything, we are going five screens [theonion.com] .

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 4 years ago | (#30259626)

Meh. LCDs are pretty thin these days. I want 4 slide out screens. 2048x1200 would be pretty cool for a laptop.

Re:More than a gimmick? (3, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256880)

Good lord... 1.6Ghz CPU and a gig of RAM will make "doing more than one thing at once ... painful"?? You must have a very low threshold for pain.

I'd love something like that just to have documentation on one screen while I code on the other. Or to have email/IRC/whatever open on one screen while I browse on the other.

Re:More than a gimmick? (2, Insightful)

kjart (941720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257174)

Good lord... 1.6Ghz CPU and a gig of RAM will make "doing more than one thing at once ... painful"?? You must have a very low threshold for pain.

Perhaps I didn't phrase that properly. For tasks that I would actually want multiple monitors for, the specs are rather low, though for things I typically use my own netbook for (mostly web browsing) it's fine. Basically, to me, 2 screens on a netbook is overkill or low powered hardware in a dual screen laptop is not good enough.

'd love something like that just to have documentation on one screen while I code on the other.

You would actually want to code on a 10" netbook form factor keyboard? This is what I was trying to get at - 2 screens are admittedly awesome for tasks like that, but who would want to do those things on a netbook? Well, maybe you would :)

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257200)

You would actually want to code on a 10" netbook form factor keyboard?

Sure, why not? The keyboard would be a tad cramped, granted, but how much screen real-estate do you need for a screen session with Vim running in it? It'd probably make a decent little device for hacking a bit of code while hanging out at the local coffee shop.

Re:More than a gimmick? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257400)

Ya, ooooook. So, you just hang out at a coffee shop, and write code? Is that your gimmick?

Used to be poetry books, now its coding for dork wads like you. Neither will get you laid pal.

Coding on a 10" notebook is retarded.

The screen area is fine on these things, its the fucking keyboard. You are coding in VIM, right? Whatever.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30259660)

600 vertical pixels aren't enough to properly code with. Even really stretching it and using 8 pixels for characters and 2 for line spaces, that's only 60 lines of text full-screen. And your eyes would go crossed trying to read it.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30262340)

600 vertical pixels aren't enough to properly code with. Even really stretching it and using 8 pixels for characters and 2 for line spaces, that's only 60 lines of text full-screen. And your eyes would go crossed trying to read it.

Good lord, that's ridiculous. 60 lines of text is *plenty*, and half that would be perfectly fine. You know, some people actually used to code with just 25! I know, shocking!

Hint: If your subroutines are so long that you need >60 lines visible to be able to comprehend them, you're doing something wrong.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30267182)

Or you're doing something complicated. Programming has changed since 25-line VT-100's. Sure, that's fine for "Hello World" and basic, non-GUI software. But modern software development tends to be a bit more complex and verbose.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 4 years ago | (#30264688)

Geez, someone never went on an anal retentive Computer Science Degree course.

All source files should be no more than 20 lines, so they can fit, together with the editor's status bar, on the screen of a VT-100. If you're doing more than 20 lines per source file, then you're doing it wrong.

Also lines shouldn't be more than 80 characters in length. And the first 19 lines of your file should be comments.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

LynnwoodRooster (966895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257518)

I fully agree... I'd love a netbook but the keyboards are too small for me. Now, on 12.1" and 13" laptops, the keyboard is full-size and it's easy to type. If they could do this double-screen trick on a 12.1" laptop they'd have a real winner, I think...

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

Fred_A (10934) | more than 4 years ago | (#30261068)

I fully agree... I'd love a netbook but the keyboards are too small for me. Now, on 12.1" and 13" laptops, the keyboard is full-size and it's easy to type. If they could do this double-screen trick on a 12.1" laptop they'd have a real winner, I think...

12.1 is a great form factor for a laptop. It's large enough that it's quite usable and compact enough that it's easy to lug around.
This model is useless, especially with the tiny vertical resolution.
It kind of reminds me of my old Sony Picturebook. The 1024×480 was painful at times even if the tiny machine was lots of fun.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 4 years ago | (#30261990)

12.1" was awesome back when they still made non-widescreen laptops. ThinkPad X series with SXGA+ (1400x1050) on 12.1" were made of pure awesome with ground unicorn sprinkles on top. Nowadays, if you want 1000+ rows, you'll probably have to go 15" or more.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257632)

IMHO, anything benefits from 2 screens. One for the "focus" stuff (internet, word...), one for the "always there" stuff (IM, media, social net...). I'm not a coder and I can barely live with only one screen :-p

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258180)

Isn't that what virtual workspaces where made to fix? I use 9 virtual workspaces, and each has at least one window open. And if you're used to keeping your hands on the keyboard, doing a two key combo isn't mush slower than turning to the left.

Re:More than a gimmick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30261670)

People have peripheral vision and occasionally even their focus shifts away from the main screen. This means that in a dual screen setting you're constantly aware of what's going on in the other applications, and that makes it faster to refocus on the other screen when needed.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

blackest_k (761565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257996)

Funny thing I was looking for something similar, ideally a vga input or usb powered screen (with linux drivers please) and ideally a touch screen or discrete buttons around the same size as my netbook screen possibly smaller.

I saw a few products which almost suit.
one was a lcd display small enough to fit in a couple of 5.25 drive bays which could be cute in a tower based server. Unfortunately the price was over $200 (and not even a touch screen) at a lower price point it would get interesting.

Ideally i'm looking for something thing that perhaps could clip or sucker to the back of my netbook screen to work as a tablet add on for my netbook. Actually it could work in a few positions as a tablet for input. as a 2nd screen side by side with the internal or clipped on the back for tablet style ebook reader or for film use on the back of the car seats. Or as a fairly minimal screen for that server again.

It should be possible to get a lowish cost product to do this.

I also started looking at digital picture frames and these are getting more and more capable many can play mp3's and video's and some samsung models can work as a second screen connected via usb but only with windows or mac drivers. I'd love to find a reasonably priced frame with better than average connectivity.

Along with my ebook reader screen thoughts, there are some picture frames which support some text output alternatively its a possibility to convert a pdf file to a series of jpg files and load that onto a digital frame. With some of them battery backed it might be possible to make a low cost ebook reader.

One things for sure a small secondary display with touch screen capability could easily become a great add on for laptops and netbooks.

 

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 4 years ago | (#30266082)

I'd love something like that just to have documentation on one screen while I code on the other. Or to have email/IRC/whatever open on one screen while I browse on the other.

Modern computer operating systems have these things called "windows". You can resize them and have two (or more!) showing at the same time! With this amazing technology, a larger screen can be used like two screens *or* one big screen!

Re:More than a gimmick? (2, Informative)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256904)

I'm running Mint Linux on a 10'', 1GB Ram, 160GB HD Acer Aspire 1 here, and I can definitely do multiple things at once on it without everything grinding to a halt ... well I would if I had the screen real estate. As it is, I'm bound to switch between workspaces, so a second screen would come nicely, especially if I don't have to lose the low form factor which was, at least for me, the main attraction about the AA1 (I had a 8.9'' previously, but the SSD died and all I could get my hands on afterward was a 10'' ... in pink. I'd have gladly bought a small one if I had had the opportunity). Sure, a 21'' ~notebook~ offers a lot of screen space, but a 10'' netbook is the way to go in terms of mobile computing (unless you only want to watch youtube clips, then go get a smartphone).

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257882)

Myself, I actually used a 10.1" Aspire One as my main machine for about a month, until I could get a replacement motherboard for my main machine.

My main machine is a 15" ThinkPad T60p with a 2.0 GHz Core Duo, 2.5 gigs of RAM, an ATI FireGL V5200 (now V5250, the replacement motherboard was an unexpected graphics upgrade,) and a 2048x1536 display.

The Aspire One wasn't pretty when it came to multiple Flash apps running at once, but for everything else, it was more than acceptable. Except for the screen real estate.

This thing, with 1366x768 or better panels (they exist,) would be excellent for my uses that way.

Re:More than a gimmick? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30259352)

15" panel with a 2048x1536 resolution?

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#30263644)

Yep, IDTech made it between 2001 and 2005. Samsung has one, too, of lower quality (it's a TN display instead of IPS.)

Three or four models of NEC laptop (at least one in Japan in 2002, one there in 2004, and one in Europe in 2004, and maybe another,) and the ThinkPad R50p had such a panel as an option.

Ya I fail to see the point (4, Interesting)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256910)

I only find that dual screens are useful in two situations:

1) When you have an app that needs a whole screen to work. A video editor would be an example. They often wish to use a dedicated screen as a preview screen. As such you want a second monitor to dedicate to that, regardless of size of your first one.

2) When you need more screen real estate than you can get in a single monitor, or for a cheaper price than large single monitors. This is by far the most common. You want more room, but a 30" screen is too much money so you get 2 22" or 24" screens instead. The whole reason is more room.

Ya well, in this case a larger laptop, or external screen (or both) would seem to be the way to go. I'm not seeing the second monitor as useful.

There's also the fact that the divide is right down the center. In dual monitor setups I've encountered (including mine at work) one monitor is directly in front of the user and is the primary screen, the other is off to the side and contains the less important stuff. I've never seen one where both monitors were in front and the split was centered. That would be very noticeable and very annoying.

To me, this looks like nothing more than a gimmick.

Re:Ya I fail to see the point (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30256986)

"In dual monitor setups I've encountered (including mine at work) one monitor is directly in front of the user and is the primary screen, the other is off to the side and contains the less important stuff. I've never seen one where both monitors were in front and the split was centered. That would be very noticeable and very annoying."

My experience is exactly the opposite. I've never seen anyone using the setup you describe. This laptop would work perfectly for me.

Re:Ya I fail to see the point (3, Insightful)

HockeyPuck (141947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257074)

By having the two screens split down the middle you can never look at the objects directly in front of the keyboard. You're always forced to look slightly left or slightly right of the divide. This isn't exactly the most ergonomic position for your head. If the secondary screen is off to the side, with the primary screen dead center, then most of the time you will be looking straight ahead (which is a good ergonomic position) and occasionally looking off to the side (say to preview a video).

Re:Ya I fail to see the point (1)

mikael_j (106439) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257408)

Well, it's not like you have to turn your head 45 or anything, and these are fairly small monitors, it's a lot worse when you've got typical large "desktop monitors" in the 24-30" range, and even then it's not really that bad as long as you don't have to position the monitors in a weird way to fit them on your desk.

Of course, personally I prefer three monitors with two flanking monitors but I think that would be way too unwieldy for a netbook or laptop...

/Mikael

Re:Ya I fail to see the point (1)

HockeyPuck (141947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257836)

Three monitors actually would work better on a laptop... you'd open up the lid and then fold out the left and right sections. The laptop while being quite wide, would still be balanced.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257420)

I'd buy a device that is only 600 pixels tall only if it were handheld and a good price. For a laptop, no way. That's not a usable screen height.

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257524)

Yeah, the 2048x600 resolution seems a bit limiting. Looking at the photo, good for side-by-side spreadsheets?

Rotating these screens to portrait, you'd get dual 600x1024 = 1200x1024. There's your vertical pixels back! Can't someone manufacture a laptop these days that isn't widescreen?

Re:More than a gimmick? (1)

petermgreen (876956) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258804)

Rotating these screens to portrait, you'd get dual 600x1024 = 1200x1024. There's your vertical pixels back!
Two screens next to each other are not equivalent to one wide one. While technically you can drag a window across if you do then you are going to end up with a horrible line right in the middle of your window.

Not that I think multimonitor is bad but I think having at least one screen with decent resoloution (not less than 1024 pixels wide, not less than 768 pixels high) is more important.

Butterfly Keyboard (2, Informative)

lobiusmoop (305328) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256868)

I can remember when IBM first tried this trick, but with the keyboard instead of the screen [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Butterfly Keyboard (1)

misexistentialist (1537887) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257844)

I was exited about your post until I clicked and found out the IBM machine did not in fact have dual keyboards.

Re:Butterfly Keyboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30259256)

Dual keyboards would be very useful. This would allow your friend to play too. How about adding a second touch pad for your other hand?

Re:Butterfly Keyboard (1)

PingPongBoy (303994) | more than 4 years ago | (#30263282)

The time has come for a dual screen tablet PC.

Both the pen and the keyboard are very good input devices now, and touch screens are very good too. So let's have tablet PCs with no keyboard and two touchscreen tablet screens instead. Bingo - you have double the screen area if you want as well as tablet and keyboard interfaces even in the standard laptop look and feel of a horizontal and upright screen.

The price of a tablet screen is really affordable now - maybe around $600 now (6 months ago the price was around $700).

The difficulty may be in letting people use the machine regardless of which side is horizontal. It would have to be balanced with half the components on one side and half on the other. A one-screen tablet feels cool because the hot processor is under the screen, but in the summer with the processor really cranking even the screen feels hot. Mind you, the plastic keyboard also feels hot, but when you rest your hand on the screen and you are writing, heat isn't fun.

that lenovo looks like a beast (2, Interesting)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256896)

Sorry for the mildly off-topic post, but wow! I wonder what kind of battery life that beast gets? Does it have a portable nuclear reactor on board or is the battery reduced to being useful only for trips across the room to switch outlets?

Re:that lenovo looks like a beast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257022)

If only there was some kind of place where the answer to your question would be provided. If guess I would call it TFA.

Re:that lenovo looks like a beast (1)

piltdownman84 (853358) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258876)

I have a HP Elitebook that is roughly in the same class as the Thinkpad only without the second monitor. After I installed Windows XP 64, and replaced the graphics card drivers with the CUDA drivers I get a whopping 32 minutes battery life.

looks good on paper (1)

Councilor Hart (673770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256906)

Ah, another slashvertisement.
It might look good on paper, but maybe not in actual usage. There is probable a depth difference between the two screens due to screen thickness, unless one folds back and/or the other one forward. I can't tell from the picture. Another more obviously issue is the black edge right in the middle of your view. Am I supposed to use my perifial vision or turn my head constantly?

Re:looks good on paper (1)

sammyF70 (1154563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256928)

you got a point about the edge being in the middle. As for the way it fold, it doesn't : The screens slides. There is a video at the bottom of the page showing how it works.

Re:looks good on paper (1)

Councilor Hart (673770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256976)

Thanks for pointing out that video, I missed it. So, there is a depth difference between the two screens. That could be annoying in actual usage.

Re:looks good on paper (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257624)

from what i can tell, the top screen angles its inner edge backwards while the bottom screen angles its outer edge forwards, so that the result is two screens thats set up as a very shallow caret when viewed from above...

Re:looks good on paper (1)

icegreentea (974342) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256978)

You get use to such things. I've been using multiple monitors for a long time now, and for most programs (where a window stays on a single monitor), those don't matter too much.

Do it in the 11.6" factor and I'll buy (4, Insightful)

Mal-2 (675116) | more than 4 years ago | (#30256972)

The screens are still limited to 600 pixels vertically. Use the ones from the 11.6" version, at 1366x768 each, and I'll be buying one.

I stopped carrying around a 14" notebook because it was just too much to carry around everywhere. A 9" netbook fits the need much better. After playing with someone else's 11.6", I was struck by how much more useful the 1366x768 screen is over a 1024x600 screen (the full-size keyboard doesn't hurt either). If I could have two such screens, which fold up for convenient carrying, I would be all over this.

I have to imagine this will be thicker than a typical netbook, but I could deal with that if the other dimensions do not change.

Mal-2

Re:Do it in the 11.6" factor and I'll buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257344)

When you think about it, two crappy 1024x600 screens means you've still got less pixels than a single 1280x1024 screen! If you want more screen real estate, you can get 13 inch laptops with 1400x1050 screens, 15 inch laptops with 1680x1050 screens and 17 inch laptops with 1920x1200 screens. Of course those are bulkier to carry around. But if Kohjinsha wanted to make the ultimate business user laptop, they'd better figure out how to fit two 1280x1024 screens in there for a total of 2560x1024 goodness. That would be worth killing for.

Re:Do it in the 11.6" factor and I'll buy (2, Interesting)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257892)

1280x1024 = 5:4 = never happening.

However, there are off-the-shelf 1366x768 10.1" panels they could've shoved in there.

That said, my main machine is a ThinkPad T60p 15.0" with a 2048x1536 panel retrofitted.

Re:Do it in the 11.6" factor and I'll buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30261572)

my laptop is a monster. 18.4" screen at 1920x1080. it's definitely a good desktop replacement.

Great! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30256980)

With one of these you can watch p0rn while watching more p0rn!

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257538)

With one of these you can watch p0rn while watching more p0rn!

Don't tell Xzibit.

Pays itself back in productivity (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257056)

No comment has yet cited this blog post citing several sources [dubroy.com] . Basically you can assume that an extra display pays itself back in productivity.

The mentioned uses in the article of the summary ("very wide spreadsheets" and "watching video while surfing the web") are laughable though. That's pretty narrow. Think about ANY copy/paste routine, keeping documentation open, keeping an e-mail app open etc, THESE are the productivity increases.

Re:Pays itself back in productivity (1)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258232)

Think about ANY copy/paste routine

If I'm viewing one app in virtual workspace (tag) 2, and I want to copy paste something from app in tag 5, I do Windows+Shift+5 and my WM will merge the tag 5 with tag 2, and present the two apps side-by-side. After the copy, I just press the same combo to return to tag 2.
It's not that more screen estate isn't useful, but a good tilling window manager really helps you by dealing with the window management by itself.

I use Awesome, by the way.

Re:Pays itself back in productivity (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30264220)

Very interesting window manager. At work, I use Debian (and boot into Gnome). I'm sure to take a shot using Awesome.

Once you dispense with the simplicity (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257090)

of the basic notebook design, why connect the screen to the keyboard with a hinge at all? It's not a very good ergonomic design.

Why not have three pieces connected by cables like a desktop, but each part designed to pack for travel? You'd have the CPU and battery in a brick, a keyboard/pointing device, and a separate monitor (or monitors) with its own stand. Then you could leave behind one of the monitors if you wanted to save weight; your could face them in different directions to do demos. You could upgrade each piece independently.

It'd have to be easier and cheaper to do it that way than to build a mechanically elaborate chassis like that.

Re:Once you dispense with the simplicity (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257162)

So, then every time I get into a class at school, or set up in a coffee shop, I unpack the CPU brick, unfold the keyboard, set up two monitors with stands and connect 4 cables, and then do the process in reverse about 6 times per day.

I might as well be bringing my own chair as well.

I wouldn't do this - but I would totally use that single-piece laptop. It would be very productive for my uses.
 

Re:Once you dispense with the simplicity (1)

hey! (33014) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257388)

It's possible to make the packing/interconnecting process a lot more convenient than you are imagining. The whole thing could snap together into a carrying case without disconnecting any cables. You already pack your brick; so why couldn't the brick contain your computer? Why couldn't the keyboard lift out of the base of the monitor and connect wirelessly?

By the time you are twenty years older, years of typing on notebook computers is going to do a number on your back.

Get it a Butterfly Keyboard FOR THE WIN! (1)

wernst (536414) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257140)

Remember the Thinkpad 701 with the folding, "Butterfly Keyboard?" Combine that screen with this keyboard and you'd have quite the portable "transformer." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj-5OI2tPlY [youtube.com]

Pong! (2, Funny)

marciot (598356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257222)

Holy crap! Imagine playing Pong on this thing!

split in the middle of the screen (1)

vosester (1163269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257328)

I would so get one, if only there wasn't a massive bevel between the screens.
Having two screens if useful, but having two that can combine into one, would be brilliant.
How hard is to make the split not stand out so much.
All then need to do is make the inside edges of the screen bevel really thin and then have the two halves lock in to place with some latch at the back of the screens. If you get them lined up enough, It would make the split a lot less noticeable.
They could even go all the way and have no bevel on the inside.
 

Ingenious (1)

gooneybird (1184387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257334)

I guess the LCD manufacturers have finally figured out how to dump all of the outdated crap 10.1" LCD screens that manufacturers have warehouses full of and still get people to pay top dollar for them - and sell 2 at a time.

Dumb public, they'll buy anything.

Missing the Point (1)

Nemyst (1383049) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257392)

Obviously it was meant as a workaround to Microsoft's limitation on screen size for Windows 7 and above!

Narrow slit screens (1)

White Flame (1074973) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257444)

What's next, 8000x50 pixel desktop displays? Give me some height already.

just try using that on a plane (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257486)

You thought you had trouble finding room for your elbows, now imagine trying to encroach half a foot to the left and right.

I'd say a 17" laptop is almost too big in those cases. 15" seems to be about the right compromise unless you absolutely need maximum space.

I know I'd have a problem with someone hanging half their display over my lap when I'm trying to read a magazine or my Kindle.

Re:just try using that on a plane (1)

tuxicle (996538) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258370)

How about if they hung half a newspaper in your face while you tried to sleep? Happened to me too often.

Two notes: (1)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257664)

1. Why did they have to use 15:9 displays? I think 4:3 displays would be better for this sort of use.

2. I'd rather they start selling portable LCD monitors, with stands that fold flat so the monitor will fit in your laptop bag. I could set up the second monitor in a hotel room, but not have to deal with it when I'm going portable.

I actually like this idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30257872)

I do like the idea of having a dual display netbook like that. Importing one from Japan would cost though, and I already have a perfectly good netbook. I guess I'll just have to hope the idea catches on with other manufacturers who offer products here by the time I'm due for a replacement.

Better design (1)

klui (457783) | more than 4 years ago | (#30257944)

Much better than the Thinkpad in terms of design and way better than the Intel prototype "dual" monitor laptop.

It's not a dual screen notebook, it's a netbook (1)

Kagetsuki (1620613) | more than 4 years ago | (#30258434)

Kojinsha labels the unit as a netbook, it is small and smaller numbers (1GB RAM) also reflect that. They are not trying to compete with Lenovo.

this is just stupid (1)

vaporland (713337) | more than 4 years ago | (#30259416)

If you need use two screens on a laptop, wait until you get back to your desk and plug in an external screen. Hell - I've got three external screens connected to my MBP 15" and it works great.

This is just engineering out of control - if they sell 10,000 of these I'll be shocked.

Someone call the pointy-haired boss and have Dilbert-san clean out his desk. . .
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