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Verizon Changes FiOS AUP, -1, Offtopic

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the get-ready-for-municipal-broadband dept.

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RasputinAXP writes "Verizon has changed their FiOS AUP effective yesterday, and added an interesting new clause to their specific examples that we're all familiar with: 'it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to ... post off-topic information on message boards, chat rooms or social networking sites.' At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP."

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My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (5, Funny)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286220)

I think it was a cool game. Clever plot, movie-like experience that took your breath away and huge explosions. It was sad that there wasn't more of those sneaky sniper missions however.

Multiplayer is cool with it's leveling and perks, which actually matter quite a lot. Your characters abilities are totally different based on your perks. Co-op play is also great fun.

What do you think?

funny picture [wordpress.com]

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (4, Funny)

timster (32400) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286302)

I agree, and I think it's time for the government to acknowledge the problem.

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (1, Offtopic)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286688)

Wait...if being offtopic IS the topic then posting on topic is offtopic as well as posting offtopic. So how does one get modded offtopic when EVERYTHING is on offtopic?

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (3, Insightful)

realisticradical (969181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286476)

Scaramouch, Scaramouch, will you do the Fandango?

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (0, Offtopic)

DynamoJoe (879038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286748)

Thunderbolts and Lightning! Very, very Frightening!

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (-1, Redundant)

Zalbik (308903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286848)

me!

Galileo, Galileo, Galileo.

Galileo, Galileo, Figaro....

Re:My first hand experience on Modern Warfare 2 (0, Offtopic)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286540)

I think the /. admins should hand out 5 mod points to every user immediately, so we can go right ahead and mod every single post in this story offtopic.

Windows ME (4, Funny)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286264)

My experience with Windows ME wasn't exactly a good one. As soon as I installed a second hard drive, it would bluescreen at boot. XP was better back then (when it was first released).

Re:Windows ME (1, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286530)

I'm sorry, but that post is automatically -1, Redundant instead because it's been done to death, resurrected as a horse, flogged to death and beyond then turned into a zombie and still haunts this place.

Re:Windows ME (0, Offtopic)

Arthur Grumbine (1086397) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286666)

If I had mod points I'm not sure how I would mod you:
On the one hand, you're on-topic by speaking directly to the off-topic nature of the GP, but then, the real topic of this whole thread is "off-topic", which makes reference to the topic on-off-topic, which is ultimately off-topic, which is the focus of-
*Head asplodes*

Re:Windows ME (1)

Again (1351325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286778)

Well, on my Thinkpad I wasn't even able to install XP. Everytime I tried it would blue screen. And yes, the cd was legitimate.

Re:Windows ME (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286834)

Yo, I'm really happy for your experience and Imma let you finish, but Windows 2000 was the greatest Windows OS of all time!

Have you guys ever... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286270)

Have you guys ever rolled up pickles in a slice of ham? It's really good.

Re:Have you guys ever... (1)

PizzaAnalogyGuy (1684610) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286334)

Someone talking about ham? Here I am!

I love big fat pan-pizza with lots of crusty cheese filled with slices of ham, pineapple, shrimp and salami with BBQ sauce dropped in top of it. With a mountain dew on side and chocolate ice cream as dessert. And strawberries. And beer. And hookers.

I mean, big steak barbecued is great too. And so are hamburgers and hot dogs. But nothing can ever beat big fat pizza.

Mmmmm, I'm out to eat.

Re:Have you guys ever... (2, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286496)

But the problem here is the constant Windows vs. Linux fighting. We've spend all this time fighting and completely forgot to laught at how stupid Mac OS X users are.

Someone wants to check /. from work (1)

ShiningSomething (1097589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286284)

Verizon may, but is not required to, monitor your compliance, or the compliance of other subscribers, with the terms, conditions or policies of this Agreement and AUP.

Re:Someone wants to check /. from work (2, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286722)

Cute. That statement amounts to giving themselves the power to inspect both the origin/destination and the content of all communications.

Better SSL up.

haha that's funny (1, Offtopic)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286310)

anyways, guys, i wanted to tell you about this new band i'm listen to. it's called gently liv###

[NO CARRIER]

Re:haha that's funny (2, Interesting)

Fritz T. Coyote (1087965) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286508)

Raise your hand if you remember when putting "NO CARRIER" in a post was considered Rude as it could make some terminal emulators think the modem had dropped the call.

OK, get your health care aid to help you raise your hand.

Now all of you kids get off my lawn!

Re:haha that's funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286650)

hmm I always thought it was the +++ that caused all the problems.

Re:haha that's funny (4, Informative)

gid (5195) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286780)

Never knew about NO CARRIER but I remember +++ath0 could make some modems hang up, but you had to get the user on the other end to type it in to get the modem to hang it up. If they were running a linux machine, you could craft an icmp packet, or use sendmail or ftp to echo the string back to you.

Some modems fixed this by requiring a pause.

Definition of Off Topic? (-1, Offtopic)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286314)

Everything I don't want to talk about is Off Topic.

It's difficult to write laws that make sense. (-1, Offtopic)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286792)

Constitution of the United States:

Bill of Rights -- Amendment I [cornell.edu]

Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech.

Constitution of Verizon:

"... it is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to:"

"(k) use the service in any fashion for the transmission or dissemination of images ... in a manner that is obscene, sexually explicit, ..."

That, of course, uses Verizon's definitions of "obscene" and "sexually explicit", which subscribers can't know in advance, and Verizon executives probably don't know in advance. But they sure will recognize it when they see it?

Unfortunately for the executives at Verizon, a large part of the traffic on the internet is sexually explicit, and no one has been able to define "obscene" in a completely accurate manner.

I'm not arguing in favor of pornography. I'm arguing in favor of logic.

For all you baseball fans (0, Offtopic)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286350)

The Red Sox, the Yankees, the Phillies and the Angels are interested in Roy Halladay.

Anyone have any other baseball related news?

Re:For all you baseball fans (0, Troll)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286428)

I got moded troll for a baseball analogy that devolved into something about fryed chicken. I don't know much about baseball so I made up something to be funny and got modded troll.

Re:For all you baseball fans (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286498)

I used to watch a lot more baseball than I do now. Of course, back then I lived in a different neighbourhood, and there was a totally awesome Thai place right around the corner that used to make these really good basil rolls.

I'm Not! (0, Offtopic)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286352)

At this point, every FiOS-based Slashdot user is breaking the new AUP.

I think I'll be the first one to stay ON TOPIC!!!

Seriously though - how are they going to enforce this without reading the information I'm sending over the net. Shouldn't that be Illegal?

Re:I'm Not! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286584)

Seriously though - how are they going to enforce this without reading the information I'm sending over the net. Shouldn't that be Illegal?

Why has Slashdot turned into the new hang out for morons? Why can't these people just leave for once and for all?

Re:I'm Not! (4, Insightful)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286652)

Seriously though - how are they going to enforce this without reading the information I'm sending over the net. Shouldn't that be Illegal?

Honestly, they don't care as long as you pay and nobody complains. This is just another case where if they get complaints from someone, they can terminate you for ToS violation. In reality, not much has changed - have you read some of them? There's usually enough insane terms to terminate anyone, any time anyway. This is just adding one more possible excuse to put on the termination notice.

Re:I'm Not! (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286660)

I wuold suspect the medssage board admin just need to complain about you to verizon... and all the implies.

Re:I'm Not! (5, Interesting)

quickOnTheUptake (1450889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286850)

I suspect this is just the next level of ISPs' disallowing spamming. They probably aren't planning to actively enforce it, but if it were to come to their attention that one of their accounts is being used to post 100's of more or less subtle marketing messages a day to forums, they reserve the right to cut the account off.
That said I actually have no idea, just a guess.

OUTRAGED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286356)

As a FIOS user, this is total BS.
On an unrelated note...
[NO CARRIER]

I don't use v (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286360)

And that is why I refuse to use Verizon. Besides, comcast cable internet is faster anways...

Who gets to decide the topic? (0, Offtopic)

jeffmeden (135043) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286378)

I'm not posting off topic, YOU are posting off topic!

If I were a Verizon FiOS customer I would change my sig to "That may seem off topic but it isn't." See? These aren't the droids you are looking for, after all.

Star Destroyer Vs. Borg Cube? (1, Offtopic)

DynamoJoe (879038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286386)

Discuss.

Re:Star Destroyer Vs. Borg Cube? (1)

Golbez81 (1582163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286450)

What about a super star destroyer!? Oh hi verizon just violating more of my AUP!

Re:Star Destroyer Vs. Borg Cube? (2, Insightful)

Joe U (443617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286470)

SCUBA is an acronym for Self Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus

Part (b) : "flaming" (5, Funny)

MillionthMonkey (240664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286388)

(b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information, or engage in other similar activities, including without limitation, "spamming", "flaming" or denial of service attacks;

You people at Verizon are a bunch of asswipes.

Re:Part (b) : "flaming" (2, Funny)

cream wobbly (1102689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286510)

You missed section (b)(ii):

Trolling, on the other hand, is perfectly fine by us.

And the footnote:

1. In fact, this is a troll. Bite me.

Re:Part (b) : "flaming" (1)

lavacano201014 (999580) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286758)

I don't know, I like the new clause. All the sites of the world say "No Flaming, No OffTopic in our forums.". What happens when those rules are broken too much? They ban from the site. Verizon's just helpin' out. "No Flaming, No OffTopic in anyone's forums." What happens when the AUP is broken? They cut off the Internet connection. You may not realize it, but Verizon's just trying to make the Internet a place for halfway intelligent people again, instead of whiny 12-year-olds all going "LOL GUYS! I'M USING TEH INTERBUTT!"

Why they may have done so (2, Informative)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286416)

This may be overbroad wording in response to spam comments or the like (remember the Christmas store junk that kept getting posted here over the last few weeks?). The wording is broad, but that may very well be to make sure that they can reasonably catch it all and respond.

Sorry if that's too ontopic. I guess I could help that out by copy and pasting some hot fanfic but a quick google search doesn't show any Steven Chu/Terry Tao slash.

Copyright Infringement/Repeat Infringer Policy. (1)

whitedsepdivine (1491991) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286418)

you may not store any material or use Verizon's systems or servers in any manner that constitutes an infringement of third party intellectual property rights, including under US copyright law.

Storing items protected by the DMCA is not against the law. Copying illegally DRM protected items is. I think they got that one confused.

This is to be able to cutoff message spammers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286422)

Who otherwise have paid up Verizon accounts in good standing.

They want a legal way to be able to shitcan them.

lol (1, Redundant)

kevinroyalty (756450) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286434)

do i even need to bring up the constitution here? free speech anyone?

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286500)

do i even need to bring up the constitution here? free speech anyone?

Because Verizon doing something with their own network is exactly the same as Congress passing a law?

Re:lol (4, Insightful)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286550)

do i even need to bring up the constitution here? free speech anyone?

Since it's a corporation, it's not bound by the First Amendment.

Hey, wait, that means bringing up the Constitution is off topic.

Very good.

Marked Offtopic? (-1, Offtopic)

orthancstone (665890) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286446)

What's with people marking it Offtopic? He's totally right about [insert President/Cable Company/Microsoft/news site/vi/emacs/etc]. Obviously people on /. are too [insert Conservative/Liberal/nerdy/stupid/n00b].

Getting back on-topic... (1)

dsavi (1540343) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286454)

I found another interesting part of the same document:

(h) engage in any conduct harmful to the Verizon network, the Internet generally or other Internet users;

Wouldn't that rule out a whole lot of ISPs and governments?

Re:Getting back on-topic... (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286518)

Actually:

(h) engage in any conduct harmful to the Verizon network, the Internet generally or other Internet users;

Being on the internet in general does this. Both literally (bandwidth) and figuratively.

President Obama to send more troops (0, Offtopic)

runestar (71495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286468)

So tonight President Obama is going to announce he's sending more troops into Verizon to help quell the fears that this company is too large to fail.

This is bad news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286482)

for the 'hot grits' industry.

Forget (e) offtopic, how about (b)? (5, Informative)

ClayJar (126217) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286506)

"[I]t is a violation of the Agreement and this AUP to[...] (b) transmit uninvited communications, data or information"

They don't even say "unwanted" or some such term. According to the letter of their AUP, discovering an old friend's email address (or Facebook page... whatever people use these days) and sending the friend a message "may lead to termination of your Service". They could replace their entire AUP with an at-will statement and it would be no less unconscionable.

Of course, cutting off anyone who sends yet another "e-card" might actually be justified, and according to AUP 2.b, they could do it. :)

Obviously, it's not likely they will enforce the AUP in an egregiously Draconian manner, but I for one would prefer having the outlandish bits *implied* rather than expressly stated. It just looks cleaner. On the other hand, they didn't quite go completely Pythonesque on us:

Prohibited:
1. Users named other than "Thomas".
2. Users named "Thomas".

Something actually on-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286522)

Verizon Usenet may not be accessed via any other network. You may open no more than five simultaneous connections to newsgroups at any one time. We reserve the right in our sole discretion, with or without notice to you, to add or subtract Usenet Newsgroups and to modify or restrict the bandwidth available to download content from our Usenet Newsgroup services, or to suspend or terminate our Usenet Newsgroup services (or portions thereof) at any time, with or without notice.

I don't know how scared I should be that they have clauses in their AUP regarding the Newsgroups. It's the one last bastion of free speech and high bandwidth...

Making everyone a criminal is convenient (2, Interesting)

aaandre (526056) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286564)

Because now Veri$on will be able to disconnect anybody for any reason under the pretext of breaking a rule. Quite convenient. Same with government and the thousands of laws.

Not every law is applied to everybody, but when anybody becomes inconvenient, there are enough laws to take them out of the picture.

The more numerous the laws, the more corrupted the state.

Summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286590)

Instead of exhorting everyone to post something off-topic (like someone wouldn't have done it on their own), the summary should have mentioned that this amendment was probably the service's way of disowning trolls, and making it easier to take away their service if someone complains to the telco.

Waste of money on a lawyer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286602)

So they overpaid for the lawyer who wrote their TOS? Should they continue to waste more money on that and raise customer's prices?

When trolling is outlawed, outlaws will troll (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286610)

Classic case of the "open container" law (here in USia) - it gives Verizon an ace in the hole, if they ever need to cut your service for (say) "overuse" - they can sniff your traffic or get an "anonymous" person to complain, and whack your account.

Restraint Of Free Speech (1, Offtopic)

NormHome (99305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286620)

If they actually tried to enforce this wouldn't this just get shot down it court? I was somewhat under the impression that legal agreements i.e. terms of service etc. could not in any way restrict a persons constitutional rights?

Re:Restraint Of Free Speech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286752)

No, not at all. Otherwise Rob Malda would be arrested for modding me down.

Re:Restraint Of Free Speech (0, Offtopic)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286812)

It is more complicated than that. Legal agreements can restrict certain rights that would otherwise be protected. So for example, non-disclosure agreements are legal even though they restrict your speech. However, certain rights cannot be contracted away even by a willing individual. Thus, for example, you can't sell yourself into slavery. IANAL, but these restrictions look like they are within bounds for what can be included in a contract. Remember, stupidity is not necessarily illegal or unconstitutional.

Re:Restraint Of Free Speech (0, Offtopic)

IndustrialComplex (975015) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286852)

You are correct that some rights are inalienable.

However, such is not the case in this situation. For example:

I may rent my vehicle to you and state that you are ONLY allowed to use this vehicle to drive yourself to the hospital in a medical emergency. You would not be allowed to drive this vehicle to go vote.

Or I could sell you a cell phone which only calls 911 or the local police station.

Simply because I am not permitting you to exercise your right through a service does not automatically imply that I am not permitting you from exercising your right at all.

Missing the Point!!!!! (0, Offtopic)

ogar572 (531320) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286626)

The point is not if Cpt Caveman can make a good burger using moose meat, its whether or not Modern Warfare 2 should be made to be played on my nieces Elmo learning computer while listening to Oingo Boingo. I wish everyone would take time and truly understand what the article is talking about.

Sieges Even (0, Offtopic)

Sirusjr (1006183) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286686)

So have you guys heard the music of a group called Sieges Even? Great progressive rock, and they say they don't make good music anymore these days.

Oh wow, they are great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286734)

Add 3 tablespoons sugar and simmer for 15 minutes over a low flame.

I love sailing (0, Offtopic)

pavera (320634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286728)

Sailing is a really great sport and you guys should all try it! Speaking of which, anyone have a 1990 or newer Hobie Cat 16 for sale? Preferably in the western US?

FiOS AUP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286744)

What the hell is a FiOS AUP, and what are the examples that we're all familiar with?

I'm calling Verizon on ALL OF YOU!!! (2, Funny)

Jazz-Masta (240659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286816)

How DARE you break the terms of your agreement! Have we stooped so low? What next? Downloading of Movies, Music, etc?

Verizon differs from Comcast ... how? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286824)

I could have put up with Comcast when it assimilated my local cable franchise. I could have put up with it when it shifted out half a dozen channels on the excuse of they would still be available 'in digital' (for extra $$). But when it was decreed that the Sci-Fi Network would be the Syfy Channel -- well, that made me decide to give up Comcast for a honking big antenna.

No, Verizon does not serve my area. Not that it makes a difference. Given its AUP, I still would have gone with DSL and an aerial.

AUP (0, Offtopic)

mugnyte (203225) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286842)

  Sweet potatoes seem to be the best food ever made. Any way they are prepared, and my mouth is in love from the first taste.

  I'm not sure how I feel about Biofeedback Therapy. It's kinda spooky.

  When will they upgrade these tired outdated office phones? Given that so few people use them any more, perhaps we'll just unplug them and never notice.

Anti-jerk rule (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30286844)

This is a catch-all that will only get enforced when they need to boot someone who's really breaking a lot of etiquette rules but they haven't actually broke a law. It's a pretty common form of "anti-jerk rule", sorta like a school that can't fail you for attending, but they can fail you for not participating, and you can't participate if you're not there...

Normal Slashdot Troll Spam (1)

Neil Hodges (960909) | more than 4 years ago | (#30286854)

Hopefully the most of the normal troll [slashdot.org] spam [slashdot.org] by bots on Slashdot are on FiOS.

Say, why aren't the posting here?

I couldn't find any more examples, but would like more here.

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