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Windows 7 Share Grows At XP's Expense

kdawson posted more than 3 years ago | from the you-used-the-s-word dept.

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CWmike writes "Microsoft's Windows ran to stay in place last month as Window 7's market share gains made up for the largest-ever declines in Windows XP and Vista, data released today by Web metrics firm Net Applications showed. By these numbers, Windows 7's gains were primarily at the expense of Windows XP. For each copy of Vista replaced by Windows 7 during November, more than six copies of XP were swapped out. Meanwhile, Apple's Mac OS X lost share during November... betcha Ballmer is having an extra giddy time with that news. Linux came up a winner last month, returning to the 1% share mark for the first time since July. Linux's all-time high in Net Applications' rankings was May 2009, when it nearly reached 1.2%."

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Finally... (2, Funny)

ehaggis (879721) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290510)

Year of the Linux Desktop! Seriously, Windows 7 seems to have answered many of the complaints of Vista. "I'm a PC and designed Windows 7 (by complaining loudly)."

Re:Finally... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290800)

Remember VA Research? I mean VA Linux. I mean VA Software. I mean Sourceforge? Well, now they're geeknet. 5th time is the charm, right?

Re:Finally... (3, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291208)

Awww, somebody's bitter their startup's still not around...

Yet another story stating the obvious (3, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291236)

Of course people are upgrading from XP to 7 - if they are upgrading at all. Who upgrades from Debian to Windows? Or, Solaris to Windows?
Oh - 6 XP users upgrade for every Vista user? Surprise, surprise!! Probably half a billion people in this world THOUGH about upgrading to Vista, but decided not to when Vista proved to be such a bomb.
Let's remember, Vista wouldn't run on old equipment, while Win7 runs on anything over a gigahertz with a gig of memory. A lot of XP users COULDN'T upgrade to Vista!!

Re:Finally... (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291370)

That's not so wrong. If you look at these numbers [hitslink.com] , you can see that Mac lost .15%, Windows stayed the same, and Linux gained .04%. So, about 25% of Mac's loss was Linux's gain. The rest seems to have been made up by mobile phones (but not the iphone, which also lost .01%).

The version trending [hitslink.com] shows that as many people who dumped XP or Vista picked up 7 and as many people as dumped OSX 10.5 picked up 10.6. So, the decline in Mac share comes from pre-10.5. There are a lot of possibilities that jump to mind, but the most interesting is that people are dumping their old Macs for Linux or Windows 7.

Re:Finally... (2, Funny)

f0dder (570496) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291428)

I hear Ubuntu 9.10 is cannibalizing users from 9.04 ZOMG the horror.

Re:Finally... (1)

Endo13 (1000782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291536)

The reason this is significant is twofold: first, because Windows XP is easily the biggest competitor to Vista and now Windows 7, and second, because an upgrade from Windows XP to 7 [usually] means $$$ for Microsoft, while an upgrade from Ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10 means nothing except perhaps a little bandwidth consumption.

Linux 20% market share (0, Offtopic)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290522)

Linux has more than 20% of the non-MS market share!!!

Re:Linux 20% market share (1)

Ed Peepers (1051144) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290588)

I'll happily share your excitement, but based on TFA it's only about 16% of the non-MS market.

Re:Linux 20% market share (4, Informative)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290660)

How?

The NetApp data:
Windows: 92.52%
Mac OS X: 5.12%
Linux (all flavors): 1.00%
Other (including iPhone, Symbian, Java ME): 1.36%

That's 7.48% "non-MS share" on these numbers (and really only non-Windows--it's not apparent whether they count Windows Mobile as "Windows" or as "Other"). Linux, therefore has 13.37% of the "non-MS market". For comparison of the other ones broken out entirely, Apple has 73.26% of that market (Mac+iPhone). Java ME has 6.1%. Symbian has 2.5%

Re:Linux 20% market share (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290738)

I wonder what the error bars are those numbers are. Are they tidy enough to justify using two decimal points?

Re:Linux 20% market share (5, Informative)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290996)

There are no error bars. This is a straight dump from their collected information on web traffic.

Anyone who mistakes this information for a statistical evaluation of actual market share by physical units or even actual market share by "web presence" is misusing the data.

They may well try to make a fairly representative sampling based on diversifying websites they collect data from, but day-to-day, let alone month-to-month, variation makes this data at best a rough approximation of the actual market. But they're not claiming that this data is a reflective snapshot of any actual market--they leave that to lazy journalists. Instead, what their statistics track are trends over time using a consistent methodology. It's a clue about the state of the actual market, but nothing more. Only lazy journalists would take a single month's reported numbers and make a claim about actual market share.

Their numbers are accurate to several decimal places--they have an exact count of the "survey respondents"--the over 100 million reporting machines each month. Where there is insufficient data is making a projection from that sample to the actual market (but again, the data can't realistically be used for that). Linux's NetApp share has bounced up and down a distance of 0.1% since the middle of the year. This probably has nothing to do with Linux's actual market share changing and more to do with variations in browsing habits and which sites are recorded.

Re:Linux 20% market share (2, Informative)

IntlHarvester (11985) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291068)

There are no error bars. This is a straight dump from their collected information on web traffic.

You sure about that? This article indicates they have some form of weighting:

http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/08/02/net-applications-apple-just-lost-half-its-market-share/ [cnn.com]

Re:Linux 20% market share (1)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291394)

The weighting isn't based on projections to an actual market share, though. That's the missing step.

Error bars and statistical confidence are applicable only when stating that a sample is reflective of a population. This data is not reflective of a population. It's just a calculation of raw data passed through a systemic algorithm.

For a simplistic example, if I have a data collection method that tracks occurrences through two populations, A and B, and I discard 50% of population B because that's the sample weight I've adopted, I don't need error bars when listing my results:

A: 1374/9978 or 13.77%
B: 3430/10035 or 34.18% [weighted at 50%] = 17.09%

There's no need for error bars or a discussion of confidence. It's only when I take the next step and make a projection concluding that "13.77% of Americans have X" that I need to go further. If I'm only talking about the results of my sample set itself, it's just straight math: 13.77% of group A. No plus or minus.

The weighting by country changes the reported numbers in a way that the surveyors obviously hope is more reflective of reality, but until they make a projection to reality, it's still just in the end a multiplier on the raw calculation.

Correction (1)

mr_matticus (928346) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290792)

Windows Mobile's 0.04% market share is not included in the 92.52% of Windows machines reported, but rather, part of "other":

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8 [hitslink.com]

Therefore, the non-MS market has just been downsized to 7.44% and Linux's share of that is accordingly bumped up to 13.44%.

However, the iPod touch (0.07%) is also not counted in the iPhone's 0.36% market share, so Apple's relative share of that same market goes up to 74.60%.

Another interesting tidbit from these (questionably reliable) numbers: Blackberry and Android are roughly tied in market share based on web traffic, both registering at 0.03%. This is probably a testament to the superior browser on Android rather than actual market share by units sold (and the same with the iPhone).

Would you all stop that?... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291018)

While using site stats is probably quite accurate for desktop OSes (they are all used virtually the same, most of them networked...and as a matter of fact, probably mostly some Windows machines aren't), it is totally meaningless for mobile phones.

Too many external factors.

Besides, we have some decent stats from other sources (there's a graph at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone [wikipedia.org] , though only for smartphones of course...)

Nokia has manufactured 1 billion symbian-devices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290970)

Assuming whole 1.36% consists of just and only Symbian devices, that puts Windows at 68 billion copies. Looks like very reliable statistics... not.

Re:Nokia has manufactured 1 billion symbian-device (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291120)

You are assuming that 100% of Symbian devices sold are used for web browsing. Considering the amount that some phone companies charge for data access, I very much doubt the figure would be anywhere near that percentage. Given how quickly people seem to upgrade their phones, I would also doubt that a lot of those devices are still in active use.

No, not everything Nokia is Symbian... (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291188)

A year ago half of global population had mobile phones, now probably around 4.5 billion. Nokia has around 40% of that. There's no way Symbian smartphones amount to half of their produced handsets (just look around you...and remember that you live in developed world; in reality, S30 and S40 (which are NOT Symbian) dominate)

BTW, a billionth Nokia phone, sold in 2005, was Nokia 1100. As far from the "smartphone" as it can be...

Re:Nokia has manufactured 1 billion symbian-device (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30291190)

The statistic has nothing to do with units manufactured. It tracks only web browsing habits of connected devices within their sample group.

Assuming you're correct about one billion Symbian devices sold, how many of them are still in use and not in a landfill, recycling center, or the back of someone's closet? How many of them are connected to data networks? How many of those are actually used to browse the "real" Internet? How many of those do so frequently enough to register on the trackers? It's just a small fraction of that one billion.

Second, Symbian's reported share is 0.19%, not 1.36%, so that would in fact be 487 billion copies of Windows, except that this data doesn't reflect market share by units sold or units in use, but just based on web presence.

The numbers are suspect, even as "web presence" figures, for a long list of reasons, but that's not one of them.

Re:Linux 20% market share (5, Funny)

selven (1556643) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291116)

Linux, therefore has 13.37% of the "non-MS market".

If that isn't proof Linux is awesome then I don't know what is.

Good news for Linux (4, Insightful)

Meshach (578918) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290532)

I wonder how many of those are people who bought Windows 7 and how many are just people who bought a computer that came with Windows 7?

Re:Good news for Linux (5, Insightful)

PsychoSlashDot (207849) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290692)

I suspect the days of people running out and buying Windows upgrades in droves are behind us. The excitement and wonder doesn't happen anymore because the OS we already have by and large does what we need an OS to do. What defines an OS is now mature, no longer making leaps and bounds of dramatic feature inclusions that matter to Joe Average. Even IT guys are unimpressed.

Second point: I had my first hands-on with Windows 7 today. I'm somewhat bewildered. In what way is this not Vista 1.1? Sure, okay, there are some cosmetic changes to the taskbar but really, I fail to find anything revolutionary. Certainly nothing that justifies the same folks who've said all along that Vista was "bad" to say that 7 is "awesome". Is a slight reduction in UAC prompts really enough?

Re:Good news for Linux (2, Interesting)

Meshach (578918) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290764)

snip

Second point: I had my first hands-on with Windows 7 today. I'm somewhat bewildered. In what way is this not Vista 1.1? Sure, okay, there are some cosmetic changes to the taskbar but really, I fail to find anything revolutionary. Certainly nothing that justifies the same folks who've said all along that Vista was "bad" to say that 7 is "awesome". Is a slight reduction in UAC prompts really enough?

I think that MS did that intentionally. Vista was such a pain because it was such a sharp break from XP. Porting any reasonably complex application from XP to Vista is a difficult task; especially if that application has existed since the 9x days. I think MS is trying to do smaller more incremental releases now.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291204)

Actually, the phrase for it is "mojave #2: retarded bugaloo"

It's the same concept and reason.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

stokessd (89903) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290782)

I bought a copy of windows 7 for $30 due to my wife's employer being a college. I haven't installed it on anything yet, and I don't have plans to, but for $30 it will be nice to have a legitimate copy if the need arises. For my old Dell laptop and my Parallels needs XP works just fine.

Sheldon

Re:Good news for Linux (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30291040)

Bad news for you is that you don't have a legitimate copy. You have a copy made by Microsoft, but it's still illegal to use a version you are not allowed to use.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291348)

Bad news for you is that you don't have a legitimate copy. You have a copy made by Microsoft, but it's still illegal to use a version you are not allowed to use.

Are you implying that if he did not buy the windows copy he was using, it was then NOT made by Microsoft? Is that like the tree falling in the woods sort of thing?

-Em

Re:Good news for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30291458)

.... I haven't installed it on anything yet, and I don't have plans to, ...

so you made a donation to Microsoft...........wtf ?????

    --the comicjk cocaine troll

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

aztracker1 (702135) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290904)

There were more than a few changes under the covers, the new taskbar is awesome, and the UI changes are more "finished" than the half-complete attempt at UI revision over Vista. Overall, it's probably fair to say that this is what Vista should have been. Libraries are a nice feature, as is the enhanced UI rendering in Win7 (thanks to a lot of overhaul to DX11, and GDI).

Re:Good news for Linux (0, Troll)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290956)

It's more difficult to add items to quick launch in the tool bar. That's progress for ya!

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291042)

Really?

Run program.

Right click Taskbar button.

Hit Pin to Taskbar.

Done.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

clodney (778910) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291064)

Right click on a shortcut and select "Pin to Taskbar" is more difficult? I'm not sure how to properly compare the difficultly of drag and drop vs a context menu, but it seems clear that neither should be described as difficult.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291250)

In addition to what the other people have said (right click->pin to taskbar), you got me curious to see what happened if you drag and drop an icon from the desktop onto the taskbar. Guess what? It pins it to the taskbar!

So now I want to know what old method of adding to the quick launch have you found that now no longer work in Windows 7? To what were you referring when you said that it was more difficult?

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

wintermute000 (928348) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291128)

Unlike Vista it doesn't sit there and grind the hard drive for no discernable reason for ages. That in itself is good enough for me! (and a sad indictment of vista)

Yes yes turned off prefetch, indexing etc.

Re:Good news for Linux (0, Redundant)

gsgriffin (1195771) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291178)

Your skepticism is warranted, but I downloaded Win 7 last summer and was VERY surprised with my custom built desktop that Win 7 (after asking, of course) got online and downloaded every driver I needed for everything inside and plugged into the computer without a hitch.

I never went to Vista, but have been very pleased with Win 7. They simplified numerous things, redid options and the way windows handles a lot. MUCH BETTER than Vista.

OK sure, it is not a whole new operating system that throws everyone backwards and makes it difficult to find what you were looking for. How often has Apple or Linux done that? What makes this new is that they changed most of the items that people complained about, streamlined it, and made it solid (using it for 5 months without BSOD or locking).

Everyone is still welcome to throw mud at MS as they see fit for everything they don't do well, but Win 7 doesn't perform or behave like Vista in numerous ways.

Re:Good news for Linux (2, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291244)

Hardware has caught up and peripherals have better drivers. MS really fucked up the expectations by dumbing down the vista requirements.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290696)

Very few people buy retail copies of Windows. The vast majority of the install base will be from PC manufacturers.

Re:Good news for Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Theredmonkey (802482) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290778)

Just like Apple. Oh yeah, you can't "legally" install OSX on anything but their machines.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290828)

I'm having trouble seeing what that has to do with the topic at hand.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291016)

Well you can't legally install OSX on a machine.... on sell it.

I think Apple would have a quite an up hill battle going after home EULA violators, as rare as they are. Plus, I doubt Apple really cares anyway. ;)

Re:Good news for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30291386)

The vast majority of Windows sales have always been on new machines. The reason is obvious: normal people have neither the money, time nor inclination to install a new OS on old hardware. Its primarily denizens of this type of site that enjoy the masturbatory thrills of continually installing new software. This is an example an unexpected consequence of automation: too many smart people with not enough work to do.

Re:Good news for Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290754)

I wonder how many of those people who bought the computer waited for Win7 till they committed?

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291006)

Not to mention copies of Windows 7 being given away to TechNet people left and right these days, college students, Windows 7 launch party copies, and the $10 copies that Best Buy employees got.

Re:Good news for Linux (5, Funny)

BlackSnake112 (912158) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291038)

I know of 25 people who bought windows 7 to replace vista or XP. I still have bruises from the XP people. They were a bit annoyed that I had to back up and reinstall their apps. They thought it would upgrade them to 7. For some reason the vista people where happy to hear the word format. They even wanted to format the hard drive more then once to make sure vista was gone.

Re:Good news for Linux (1)

fido_dogstoyevsky (905893) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291166)

I wonder how many of those are people who bought Windows 7 and how many are just people who bought a computer that came with Windows 7?

The notebook I'm using now is a couple of years old, came with vista and is happily running under Suse. A month ago I bought a netbook with windows 7* and it's now running under Suse; a week and a bit ago** I bought a notebook with vista (giving me a good discount) and I'm installing Fedora on it as I write this.

*Use of lower case not accidental

**Conversation in the shop went something like

bloke behind counter: "It has vista now but comes with a free windows 7 upgrade voucher."
me: "Thanks, but I'll be using Linux so I won't need it."
bbc: "OK, but it only has the demo version of [microsoft] office, you'll really need to buy the full version..."
me: "But microsoft office doesn't work with Linux."
bbc: "Uhhh - OK, but don't forget to go to the A### web page to get your windows 7 upgrade..."

Re:Good news for Linux (0, Troll)

Foredecker (161844) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291170)

If people are moving from XP or Vista to Win7 then its upgrades almost entirely.

how many bought Windows 7? (1)

falconwolf (725481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291384)

I bet most of those using Windows 7 bought new PCs with it installed. Most people do not upgrade the OS their PC uses. And businesses as well as others who need to get work should wait until MS releases the first service pack before upgrading. Wait until MS fixes the bugs and holes.

Falcon

Well.. (4, Interesting)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290538)

I can only speak for the university I work for. We have upgraded 8000 machines from XP to 7 after passing over Vista all these years. And boy are we glad we did.

Yes, 7 is ***cheap*** for education.

Re:Well.. (1)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290728)

Hey, can you please get some more educational institutions off of Windows 2000? ;)

In all seriousness, while I'm a huge fan of deploying Linux in educational environments (especially Ubuntu desktops and departmental servers), I'd give just about anything to see IE6 finally die in fire. I run an educational resources site [classhelper.org] , and about 10% of my visitors are still using it.

Re:Well.. (0)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290832)

While there could be some 2000 boxes here and there, we have a policy of XP minimum for our desktop computers that are directly connected to out AD. And now, it seems like 80 % of them are already running 7. The few Macs we have were reverted to Leopard from SL because the innumerable numbers of problems found on it. We have some Linux desktops as well, but they are more "on the wild" and not under our direct control.

Re:Well.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30291084)

Amen. Unfortunately, the idiots left with Windows 2000 and NT 4.0 refuse to back up their systems, and their systems are "unsupported". I've previously raised security red flags about these systems at partner's facilities, since they are also so filled to the brim with other debris that they cannot even accept the last set of patches or an anti-virus upgrade, and their IT staff have been told not to assist in cleaning up the mess. So they have to wait until the machine owners are fired until they can be cleared. (I just helped fire one of them, after surreptitiously making absolutely sure that every file on every one of his machines was quietly backed up to a designated hard drive and tape, just in case it had unchecked-in source code. Which of course, he did.)

Re:Well.. (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290810)

Yes, 7 is ***cheap*** for education.

Whatever the price, it will always be endlessly more expensive than Linux.

Re:Well.. (4, Insightful)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290876)

Not true. With 7 we deploy patches, programs, policies, you name it via our Active directory with one click. We Linux is not so easy, and believe it or not, time IS money.

Re:Well.. (3, Informative)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291026)

At our company we have our own repository, with signed key. How is that hard?!?

Re:Well.. (5, Insightful)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291080)

You don't understand the power of Active directory policies/software pushing/network structure id you **think** that a repository can do the same. But hey, the happiness of the ignorance is a good thing.

Re:Well.. (1)

Corporate Troll (537873) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291194)

I have to admit I usually only deal with servers...

Re:Well.. (2, Funny)

Shikaku (1129753) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291072)

You can't set up your own repository? Really?

Because that's what Linux calls it, before Windows copied it.

Re:Well.. (3, Insightful)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291144)

Calling AD software pushing a "repository" is like calling a Ferrari a bike. Sure, both have wheels.

Re:Well.. (0, Troll)

AnotherShep (599837) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290990)

Yeah, let's make the art students use GIMP and econ students use OpenOffice and and and... The less enrollment, the less stuff we have to buy, right?

Re:Well.. (1, Offtopic)

JSG (82708) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290902)

Oh dear I bit.

> 8,000 students * {student turnover period} shown just one OS. Will they see anything of Open Source apart from Moodle?

Now that's an education for you.

Incidentally, there are many Open Source OSs that have a cost of next to nothing but a value way beyond ***cheap***

Why do you think 7 is ***cheap***? It's not altruism, it's good business sense for MS to practically give away software for education.

As a matter of interest, can you tell me what you have really gained from moving from XP to Win 7 apart from a bit of a spring clean out (real demonstrable gains not just a prettier interface and a few more GP widgets to click on, oh and IPv6) ?

Re:Well.. (4, Insightful)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291052)

They are giving a tool. They run and use the programs they want witht "their" OS. That is education for you. What we cannot allow if the maintenance nightmare that woulb be having 345527 distros in evrey machine. THAT is a nightmire. A REAL one.

And what we got with 7? Are YOU kidding or are you just one of those fanboys that don't ever botter to see beyond the pretty interface of a OS?:

Much better Active directory integration

Accessibility improvements. Microsoft has revamped the accessibility features in Windows 7 with improved speech recognition and a new Magnifier utility with full-screen and lens-mode views.

Action Center. While previous versions of Windows included a feature called Windows Security Center that monitored the various security features of the system, Windows 7 takes this functionality to the next level with Action Center. In addition to monitoring security, Action Center also monitors the OS's maintenance features and consolidates alerts from numerous Windows features into a single interface.

Aero Peek. This replacement for Show Desktop in Windows 7 lets you "peek" behind all of the open windows on your desktop and easily view and Windows Gadgets or files on your desktop. You can also peek into the contents of specific open windows.

Aero Snaps. By dragging open windows in certain ways, you can "snap" them to the edges of the screen, maximize, or minimize. This obviates the need to click tiny onscreen elements, making these features more accessible to users.

Backup and Restore. Windows Vista's stellar backup and restore features have been streamlined and simplified in Windows 7. Like its predecessor, Windows 7 supports both data backup and image-based system backup, but now the UIs are more segregated.

Bitlocker To Go. The full-drive encryption feature that first debuted in Windows Vista has been updated in Windows 7 to support removable USB storage devices like flash memory drives and portable hard drives.

Blu-Ray support. Windows 7 natively supports Blu-Ray optical discs and enables you to write to Blu-Ray recordable media.

Device Stage. This Longhorn-style user experience will be made available for multi-function devices such as smart phones, multifunction printers, portable media players, and the like. Through this UI, you'll be able to access the features that are unique to each device. Each Device Stage page can be extensively customized by the device maker.

Devices and Printers. This activity center provides a central location for interacting with any hardware devices--digital cameras, mice, displays, keyboards, and the like--that may be attached to your PC.

DirectAccess. This feature is aimed at business users who need to securely access corporate network resources while away from the office. Essentially a simple replacement for VPN connections, DirectAccess requires Windows Server 2008 R2 on the server-side.

DirectX 11. Windows 7 includes the latest version of the DirectX multimedia libraries.

Display improvements. Windows 7 includes numerous improvements related to computer displays, including integrated display color calibration, improved high DPI support, ClearType, and improved support for external displays. A new Windows Key + P keyboard shortcut helps you easily switch between connected displays.

HomeGroup. Microsoft has consolidated the most common network-based sharing tasks into a single simple interface called HomeGroup. Computers in a HomeGroup can easily share documents, digital media files, and printers over a home network.

Internet Explorer. Windows 7 ships with the latest version of Microsoft's Web browser, Internet Explorer 8.

Libraries. In Windows 7, Microsoft has realized a long-term goal to replace the static special shell folders from previous Windows versions and replace them with virtualized shell locations that aggregate content from a variety of physical locations. Libraries are implemented as virtual folders and the views they present are the results of search queries. Libraries are also the basis for HomeGroup file and digital media content sharing.

Location-Aware Printing. Windows 7 utilizes different default printers for each of the network locations you've configured on the system so you won't mistakenly print a child's school project to the work printer. When you're at work, you'll print to the work printer, and when you're at home, you'll print to the home printer.

MinWin. The componentized core of Windows 7, which includes both the traditional operating system kernel as well as the minimum necessary surrounding support technologies to create a bootable (and, for Microsoft, testable) system. Note that, in Windows 7, MinWin isn't a feature per se but is rather the foundation upon which the rest of the OS is built.

Parental Controls. The parental control functionality that debuted in Windows Vista is updated in Windows 7 to support multiple games rating systems and parental control providers.

Power Config. Windows 7 includes a new Power Config utility that provides reports identifying problems, settings, applications, and other things that may be reducing the power efficiency of your PC.

Problem Steps Recorder. Windows 7 includes a new utility called the Problem Steps Recorder that captures screen shots of the steps a user is taking so that help desk personnel can provide a fix without physically having to visit the desktop.

ReadyBoost. ReadyBoost first appeared in Windows Vista, providing users with a way to cheaply and easily improve the performance of their PCs by utilizing a USB memory key as a memory cache. In Windows 7, ReadyBoost is improved in numerous way: It supports multiple memory devices, can work with USB memory keys, Secure Digital (SD) memory cards, and other internal flash devices, and supports over 4 GB of storage.

Scenic Ribbon. Microsoft has evolved the Ribbon toolbar from Office 2007 and made it part of the operating system in Windows 7. This new version of the Ribbon, called the scenic Ribbon, is used by two Windows 7 applications, Paint and WordPad, and can be used by third party applications going forward as well.

Sensor support. Windows 7 includes support for hardware-based sensors, including GPS-based location sensors.

Start Menu (Enhanced). The Windows 7 Start Menu is an enhanced version of the Start Menu that debuted in Windows Vista.

Startup Repair. While this useful tool did debut with Windows Vista, it wasn't installed on PCs by default. In Windows 7, it is installed into the OS partition automatically and appears automatically when the system can't boot properly, fixing any problems and returning the system to its normal booting state.

Sticky Notes. The Sticky Notes utility loses the bizarre Windows XP-style interface from previous Windows versions and supports ink and text input.

Styles. In Windows 7, Microsoft combines various system preferences--including the desktop background, the Aero glass window color, the system sounds, and the screen saver--into styles you can customize, save, and share with others.

System Restore. The Windows 7 version of System Restore works as before, providing a way to non-destructively return a PC to a previous point in time, but is more reliable, predictable, and effective than its predecessors.

Tablet PC. After making Tablet PC functionality available more broadly in Windows Vista, Microsoft is improving this technology in Windows 7 with better handwriting recognition that has improved accuracy, speed, and support for math expressions, personalized custom dictionaries, and 13 new languages.

User Account Control. While much reviled by certain users, the User Account Control (UAC) feature that debuted in Windows Vista played a huge role in making that system the most secure Windows version yet. In Windows 7, UAC is extensively updated to be less annoying, and the overall system has been fine-tuned to minimize the number of UAC prompts that interrupt users.

View Available Networks. Windows 7 includes a new Jump List-based utility for finding and connecting to Wi-Fi, mobile broadband, dial-up, and VPN connections. Unlike the similar UI in Windows Vista, this utility, called View Available Networks, does not require you to navigate through a series of dialogs and windows.

Virtual Hard Disk support. Windows 7 allows you to mount a Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) as a drive in Explorer so that you can navigate its contents like a physical hard disk. It also supports the ability to boot from VHD images.

VPN Reconnect. Windows 7 users who still need to make traditional VPN connections will benefit from a new VPN Reconnect feature that automatically reestablishes a VPN connection when you temporarily lose Internet connectivity.

Windows Anytime Upgrade. This utility debuted in Windows Vista but was found to be too confusing for most users, so the electronic upgrade capability was removed. In Windows 7, Windows Anytime Upgrade returns to electronic upgrading and Microsoft promises you'll be able to upgrade from one version of Windows 7 to another in about 10 minutes now.

Windows Defender. The malware and spyware protection utility from Windows Vista continues in Windows 7 with a few changes: It's been integrated into the new Action Center and its centralized notification system. But Defender also drops the useful Software Explorer feature, so users will have to look elsewhere for a way to prevent unwanted applications from running a startup.

Windows Easy Transfer. The Windows Easy Transfer utility that debuted in Windows Vista has been substantially updated with a new user interface and new capabilities. As before, Easy Transfer helps you transfer files, folders, and program and system settings from your previous Windows install to your new one. This time around, however, the process is simpler and more streamlined.

Windows Explorer. Microsoft has significantly updated Windows Explorer yet again in Windows 7, this time with a new toolbar, a resizable search box, and a new navigational pane.

Windows Gadgets. The Windows Sidebar disappears in Windows 7, but the Gadgets continue on and are integrated with the desktop.

Windows Live. Windows 7 integrates with a growing collection of Windows Live services, including Windows Live Photos, Windows Live Profile, Windows Live People, Windows Live Spaces, Windows Live Home, Windows Live SkyDrive, Windows Live Groups, Windows Live Calendar, Windows Live Events, Windows Live Hotmail, and more.

Windows Live Essentials. Available as an optional download, Windows Live Essentials is an application suite that includes a number of new versions of classic Windows applications, including Windows Live Mail (email and calendar), Windows Live Photo Gallery (photos), Windows Live Messenger (instant messaging), Windows Live Movie Maker (video editing), Windows Live Family Safety (enhanced parental controls), and more.

Windows Media Center. Microsoft's ten-foot UI for digital media content is improved with a slightly enhanced user interface, multi-touch support, HomeGroup integration, and various global broadcast TV standards.

Windows Media Player. Microsoft's media player received a major makeover in Windows 7 with several new features, including enhanced DVD playback, a new lightweight playback mode, dramatically improved format compatibility (including AAC and H.264), Windows Taskbar Jump List customization, PC-to-PC and media streaming, and a new Play To feature.

Windows PowerShell. Windows 7 ships with the Windows PowerShell 2.0 scripting environment and the Windows PowerShell Integrated Scripting Environment (ISE).

Windows Search. Windows 7 comes with the latest version of Windows Search, and unlike the version that first shipped with Windows Vista, you can now obtain instant search results from network-based file shares as well as local hard drives. Microsoft has also improved the performance of local searches, sorting, and grouping.

Windows Taskbar (Enhanced). The Windows Taskbar has been dramatically enhanced in Windows 7 to minimize clutter. New Taskbar features like Jump Lists, fly-over and full-screen icon previews, and more.

Windows Touch. Windows 7 builds on the Tablet PC and touch capabilities from previous Windows versions and adds pervasive support for multi-touch. All of the major UI components, including the Start Menu, Windows Taskbar, and Explorer, are touch-friendly in Windows 7.

Windows Troubleshooting. This new Windows 7 feature diagnoses and resolves common operating system and hardware issues. It works automatically, or you can visit the Troubleshooting control panel to find problems to troubleshoot. Windows Troubleshooting integrates with Action Center so you'll be notified when relevant new troubleshooters from Microsoft and third parties are made available.

Windows Update. Microsoft's utility for downloading and installing system updates has been enhanced in Windows 7 to take advantage of changes in the security model and to better expose optional and featured updates.

Wireless Device Network. Finally, Windows gains a way to use your wireless-equipped laptop as a wireless access point for other PCs when you're connected to a wired network.

XPS Viewer. While Windows Vista users are forced to use Internet Explorer to view XML Paper Specification (XPS) documents--essentially Microsoft's PDF knock-off--Windows 7 gains a dedicated XPS Viewer application.

I cpuld go on forever...

Re:Well.. (1)

aj50 (789101) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291090)

The same thing that everyone who moved from XP to 7 gained.

Windows 7 is nicer to use in almost every respect. The new taskbar (which is the best use of desktop compositing I've seen), the improved Alt-Tab window and the searchable start menu are the things that jump to mind most readily.

If we're talking about real, demonstrable gains, the move from 2000 -> XP was far more questionable.

I will happily admit that I can only comment on this from the user's perspective, I don't know what changes were made between Windows Server 2000 -> 2003 -> 2008.

Re:Well.. (1)

kregg (1619907) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290916)

Cool lets go bleeding edge

Re:Well.. (1)

Drenaran (1073150) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291088)

You make a very good point regarding the cheap upgrade cost

Seeing as students can get Win 7 Home Premium $30, of course you're going to have all sorts of young people make the transition - and those people are going to influence other people.

Further, the main reason people avoided Vista is that when it first came out, it sincerely sucked in terms of support. Modern Vista is actually pretty darn good, but it has yet to overcome a lot of the initial bad press.

Windows 7 is exactly what those people that have been waiting since XP have been looking for - it's stable and has large support (because it is Vista 1.1 - i.e. it has already been through the grinder), it has several minor but easily visible improvements (such as a UI that doesn't look nearly as cheap - several common tasks are easier to access), and it uses less memory (... which tickles people who are into numbers in a way they like while additionally better catering to older desktops). And most importantly, it isn't Vista.

Gah! (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290544)

That article was basically a graph [hitslink.com] in text form.

Re:Gah! (1)

Jeremy Erwin (2054) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290604)

Whoever constructed that graph should be ashamed of himself. Perspective does not belong in a line plot.

Liars and statistics (1)

JSG (82708) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290574)

How on earth do you accurately measure OS installations. I only say because I think the Linux/BSD/other non MS/Apple OSs are probably under represented. For example like a few other people, I stamped an ext{x} shaped boot on the ntfs partition on my computers.

Those computers officially run some sort of Windows but there is no Windows on here but I'm sure my PCs are counted as running Windows by Dell/HP et al.

Sadly - for balance - I can't point at a machine that came with Linux pre installed and had it replaced by Windows.

Re:Liars and statistics (1)

Oblong_Cheese (1002842) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290654)

It really is ridiculous how these numbers are bandied about by people as being representative of the real world. It's nearly impossible to buy a new PC that doesn't come with Windows, unless you build it yourself. I am willing to bet there's a noticable percentage of Wintel boxes sold that are immediately turned into Lintel boxes by people who know enough about software to install some Linux flavour (not that you need to know a lot to stick in a Linux LiveCD and wipe your drive), but not enough about hardware to build their own PC from scratch. And even if you're talking specifically laptops, not desktop PCs, once again it is practically impossible to buy a big-name laptop without Windows on it, so there's another "sale" for the PR campaigns.

Re:Liars and statistics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30291130)

Flamebait: Linux doesn't come on PCs because it sucks.

Informative: These numbers come from web metrics, they have nothing to do with sales.

Re:Liars and statistics (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290868)

Sadly - for balance - I can't point at a machine that came with Linux pre installed and had it replaced by Windows.

There are lots of such examples. In recent years they were usually cheap laptops bought in not-quite-mature markets (think "post Soviet block", of that I'm certain)

Those machines often have some nonfunctional copy of Linux (doesn't even boot to X for example, doesn't have drivers for the hardware). Sometimes they are blank...but with Knoppix live-DVD included, so they arguably are also Linux machines... Well, one major (really major) PC manufacturer usually adds FreeDOS, so at least those machines are excluded.

And yes, virtually all of them get formatted and pirated Windows gets installed.

Re:Liars and statistics (1)

fluffy99 (870997) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291508)

Sadly - for balance - I can't point at a machine that came with Linux pre installed and had it replaced by Windows.

I can. Remember all those Lindows boxes that Walmart sold? Most of the people I know that bought them installed Windows on them. They either planned to install Windows right away or got fed up with the 'fake windows' that wouldn't run their software and subsequently installed windows. I think Walmart selling crappy low end linux boxes pretending to be Windows boxes did a lot of PR damage to Linux.

Re:Liars and statistics (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290960)

Yeah, statistics are kind of interesting, but you have to try to keep a clear idea of what they're really saying. I guess these are measurements of the share of web traffic each OS has according to some measurement of web traffic. Is it done with unique IPs, in which case NAT could caused skewed statistics? Is it doing it by cookies? Which sites, exactly, are being monitored? Is it being treated like a random sample and used to extrapolate data? Is there an attempt to account for people who might not visit those sites, or even people who don't really use the Internet?

I don't know the answer to that stuff, but even if all that were settled, there's another problem: depending on what your purposes are, market share might not be the thing you really want to look at. What about the total number of sales for the year? What about the rate of growth of sales? Are the sales with new computers, OEM copies, or retail copies? What about profit over a given period? Do you want to look at total profit or profit margin?

People tend to cite numbers like these as though they depict some absolute reality. "Windows 7 is a success," or "Windows 7 is a failure," depending on what they want to prove. It's all a bit more complicated than that.

Re:Liars and statistics (1)

moderatorrater (1095745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291402)

It looks like the statistics come from internet hits. If that's the case, then the numbers wouldn't be skewed by which operating system was bought on the computer, only which one's being used on it.

To be expected? (4, Interesting)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290628)

I mean, the headline makes it sound like Microsoft isn't do so well, but the full summary suggests that Apple is the one lowering its Market share to Linux.

I mean, Considering PC's have the most market share, anyone who doesn't use Windows is essentially using whatever their alternative is (OSX/Linux) to get AWAY from Windows (Especially Vista, that pushed a few people I know towards a Macbook).

So, was Windows 7 expected to Rip all thsoe Happy Mac customers back to Windows? Or was it majestically expected to make Linux users go insane?

Windows Users use Windows, and Windows 7 will only grow from the market share of other Windows operating systems. It'll be a long while before Mac and Linux users go back to Windows, and the four horsemen of the Apocalypse will be just as stumped as I will be.

Re:To be expected? (2, Insightful)

Rinikusu (28164) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290836)

Exactly. Windows 7 is good enough to keep me using Windows if I buy another Windows machine. I was running the RC on my old Thinkpad and it actually had decent performance. Unfortunately, I reinstalled Win XP and, well, I don't care what anyone claims, XP is still faster on older hardware (and yes, I turned off all the eye-candy stuff on the thinkpad). However, if I bought a new machine today and it came with 7, I'd keep it, unlike Vista.

Re:To be expected? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290884)

Yes yes, but when they enable the copy-protection to kill all those pirated copies, then the real numbers will be more interesting, Besides, that study doesn't show bought copies, just running ones on the internet.

Anyway, I'm glad, I was getting tired of answering stupid questions to lazy linux users (the *buntu kind)

Re:To be expected? (1)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290920)

So, was Windows 7 expected to Rip all thsoe Happy Mac customers back to Windows? .

Yes.

I call it the "Hugh Grant" syndrome. See, you're at home, have complete access to a beauty, but, it gets old. Same old same old. You something dangerous - exciting! So, you go around and you see this painted up whore and you just think, "Even though I have prime rib at home, it's fun to go for the over processed I-don't-know-what's-exactly-in-the-meat hamburger. Now, they get so used to the excitement, they start spending more time with the painted up whore. Some of get to liking the old thing that we stick with her - I'm still using XP - but I tell you, 7 looks real fine from afar!

So, you see, Mac will be losing market share to Windows.

Ballmer said in Feb that Linux % higher than Mac (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30291446)

Steveo gave a presentation to investors in Feb.2009 and the graph he was using shows the desktops and 1 was Windows, 2 was Windows pirated and the graph looks like Linux is slightly ahead of Mac.

Was Ballmer lying to investors?

I dont know but seems to me that "Ballmer says Linux desktops are higher than Mac." should have been better covered.

As for the 1% meme that became popular this year, go back 3-5 years and you will see the numbers spouted back then were 2-6%.

so long as vista dies.... (1)

Blue Shifted (1078715) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290638)

hey, windows 7 doesn't make me want to throw my laptop out the window (pun intended), nor does it bring up pure hatred and rage from within me like vista did. Big Plus There.

that said, application launch time ARE slower, by a few seconds, compared to XP. especially when opening MS Word or Excel, i'd say more than a few seconds..... NOT a deal breaker, though.

but one thing that gets me about the reviews of windows 7 is the shutdown time. while MY netbook does shutdown quickly, for giggles timed the shutdown times of the atom netbooks at the big box stores. hang on, let me find the times... here we go: 33, 18, 28, 20, 39, and 60 seconds. sure, those are display units subjected to lot's of kids opening ie to check their myspace (only to think the netbooks don't work when the page doesn't come up, due to secured wifi...) but still, using windows 7 certainly doesn't guarantee your machine won't end up with long shutdown times...

Re:so long as vista dies.... (1)

JSG (82708) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290694)

So why not dig out "unetbootin" and see what the box is capable of without hurting your precious Windows.

You never know, you might even run one of the installers ...

It wont change the pretty graph but it might avoid aerial laptop maneuvers.

Re:so long as vista dies.... (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291048)

application launch time ARE slower, by a few seconds, compared to XP. especially when opening MS Word or Excel, I'd say more than a few seconds

I often see claims like this and I question them. I don't remember the launch times for Word or Excel 2003, but ever since Office 2007 on XP I've found the applications take no longer than a few seconds to launch, total. In the case of Excel, I can literally double-click the icon, count "one, two, three," and I have a blank spreadsheet. It's not much slower on my Atom-powered Eee PC with slow solid-state drives. If your copies are launching many times slower than that, either your hardware is very out of date, or else you have a very old installation that's bogged down by upgrade cruft. A clean install of Office (after a complete uninstall) should make those problems go away, in my experience.

Well duh! (1)

Tarlus (1000874) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290650)

From the summary:

For each copy of Vista replaced by Windows 7 during November, more than six copies of XP were swapped out.

Well duh! That's because there are more than six XP users per each Vista user!

Re:Well duh! (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291010)

Probably true.

I will say that going from XP to Windows 7 is a much larger leap than going from Vista to Windows 7... if you're already running Vista, you already have pretty much everything in 7 except for the new Start bar. Vista users probably feel less pressure to upgrade due to that.

Re:Well duh! (1)

Em Ellel (523581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291516)

Probably true.

I will say that going from XP to Windows 7 is a much larger leap than going from Vista to Windows 7... if you're already running Vista, you already have pretty much everything in 7 except for the new Start bar. Vista users probably feel less pressure to upgrade due to that.

Well, I think it is even simpler than that.

Unlike the crowd here, MOST people run whatever comes on their PC.

People who buy new computers (you know, ones with Windows 7) are more likely to be replacing an older computer (more likely one that shipped with XP) rather than newer one (with Vista).

Thus the Windows 7 systems are mostly replacing XP. Why this is news is beyond me. Now if it was the other way around, I would be very surprised.

-Em

Re:Well duh! (1)

heffrey (229704) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291210)

Vista has around 20% of market so your statement is clearly wrong in quantative terms at least. XP users are more likely to upgrade because their machines are old. Not much point upgrading from Vista to 7.

Windows 7 got me twice... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290722)

I just ordered a new laptop. Naturally it will ship with some variation of Windows 7 pre-installed. Personally I have a loathing hatred for crapware and OEM branded operating systems. So I bought a full retail copy of Windows 7 to go with my new laptop. (First task ... format and install my clean retail copy.) Unfortunately I couldn't buy the same laptop with FreeDOS or something like that. And even more unfortunate, even if I could, it would actually cost more than having Windows already on it. (All that crapware keeps the costs down.)

So my 1 purchase will count as 2 copies of Windows 7 being sold.

Re:Windows 7 got me twice... (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291024)

So my 1 purchase will count as 2 copies of Windows 7 being sold.

The quoted figures are based on Internet usage, not sales. They will not be able to see operating systems that are not installed. Nor will they see computers that are not used for surfing the net. I have six computers that in active use, but only two of them are configured for web access.

That is why these stats are inadequate for really determining operating system usage. Unfortunately there really is no better system to count them.

how is this news? (2, Insightful)

Carbaholic (1327737) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290786)

Certainly how is it bad news for microsoft? It's just saying that people are upgrading from XP to 7

Re:how is this news? (1)

Chaotic222 (1114981) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290986)

Posted by kdawson

Windows XP is dead (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 3 years ago | (#30290924)

Net Applications confirms it.

Windows 7 is still way slower than XP. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30290976)

How has Microsoft not heard of the concept of "Coding yourself into a corner."... Hopefully by the time my XP boxes die there will be enough anti-annoyance utilities for 7 so I can play games on it.

A familiar sound in the halls of Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 3 years ago | (#30291004)

"Apple's Mac OS X lost share during November... betcha Ballmer is having an extra giddy time with that news."

Techs breathed a sign of relief when for the first time in years the sound of a chair striking a wall was in celibration instead of rage.

Spin (2, Insightful)

ildon (413912) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291014)

Why is this being reported as some kind of loss for Microsoft? Isn't this *exactly* what they wanted? XP users who didn't switch to Vista to switch to 7?

Trend is viewable on Steam Hardware Survery (4, Interesting)

Suiggy (1544213) | more than 3 years ago | (#30291054)

PC gamers are abandoning XP and Vista and moving towards Windows 7. For the first time ever since Valve began publishing their hardware survey back in 2003, Windows XP usage among Steam users has finally dipped below the 50% mark, and is losing ground relatively fast. Steam Hardware Survey [steampowered.com]

Have you seen a Linux desktop in the wild? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30291206)

I have not. Sure, in server rooms I've seen some Gnome desktops lit, mostly so the sysadmins could surf. But in the wild? Not once, in 10 years of looking. The closest I saw was a BSD laptop brought in by a job applicant for an IT position.

My brother and I both use Linux desktops, he more faithfully than me -- I have a multiple boot between Windows 7 and Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala), but I tend to boot into Windows and putty ssh to administer Linux server boxen and use a vmware guest of centos for my php scripting work. He's very hard core -- all Linux, mostly Fedora, no multiple boot and no vmware. He's seen some Linux desktops, but only at meetup.com meetings and local LUG meetings.

I'm in Canada, in case that is significant, and I gather there is more Linux in Europe than here (Linux Format is expensive but awesome). But 2%? Or even 1%? I don't think so. I walk by a university's glass wall a few times I week, but the only thing I've noticed there is that 50% of the students use mac books.

So I ask you: have you ever seen a Linux desktop in the wild? LUG meetings do not count. Here's my definition of what counts: coffee shops, restaurants, airports, trains, lobbies, office cubicles, etc.

Re:Have you seen a Linux desktop in the wild? (1)

beej (82035) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291468)

So I ask you: have you ever seen a Linux desktop in the wild? LUG meetings do not count. Here's my definition of what counts: coffee shops, restaurants, airports, trains, lobbies, office cubicles, etc.

Two definite sightings: 1) a laptop on a subway, 2) my friend (a character artist for a game studio) uses Ubuntu at home on a desktop. Both instances were user installs. A place I worked a couple jobs ago doing Java dev had a pile of Linux machines--most of the software engineers used them.

In my experience, the stigma of using Linux is way down in the workplace from what it was 10 years ago.

All this being said, I can't think of any reason to doubt that the Net Application numbers are correctly representing what they purport to.

Amazing! (1)

straponego (521991) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291334)

I could have sworn that XP's share relative to Windows 7 would grow once 7 was actually released. Because I'm Commander Cuckoo Bananas, woopwoopwoop!!!

Linux has a 75% market share (1)

Roblimo (357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291474)

Really. I just did a survey of all the computers in my house. Three were running Ubuntu Linux, one was running Windows Vista.

That's a 75% market share!

Likely the recession (1)

caywen (942955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30291500)

I think the recession plays a major factor in Apple's slight drop. Apple's smart in holding the line, however, since they don't want a large line of low margin products that will have heavy support costs. After the recession fades, they want to look consistent with their pricing.

Also, I wonder if they counted virtual machines in the survey?

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