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Hackers vs. Phishers

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the better-than-predator-vs-alien dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Some hackers out there don't like to do all the hard work of running a successful phishing campaign. Instead, they developed a simple online service to 'steal' account details from the hard-working phishers. Named AutoWhaler, the service allows anyone to scan a phishing server for log files that contain juicy information such as usernames and passwords."

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Hacker culture (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352286)

That's the hacker culture allright. Use inventivity rather than "hard work" to get your result with the least possible effort :)

Inventivity? (-1, Offtopic)

somegeekynick (1011759) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352682)

Inventivity? Looks like you've got some of that yourself. ;-) mod self off_topic

Re:Inventivity? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354542)

It is perfectly cromulant to embiggen ones vocabulary.

Into the Octogon with them (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352896)

Hackers vs. Phishers.

Two go in. One comes out.

Re:Hacker culture (4, Funny)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353296)

Yes. If you're going to steal, then steal from a known thief, because he's unlikely to go to the cops and report you.

Same applies to shopping on ebay

Re:Hacker culture (1)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353620)

The whole concept reminds me of arguments about scanned pictures, where one guy who scanned a copyrighted image and put it on the Internet gets all pissed off that some other guy uses it on his site. "You're ripping off all the work I did!"

Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (4, Funny)

MathiasRav (1210872) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352288)

In other news, some Slashdot users don't like to do all the hard work of writing inspiring posts to build karma. Instead, they developed a simple online service to 'steal' karma from the hardworking posters. The service allows anyone to scan Slashdot articles for underrated comments and automatically post replies urging moderators to "mod parent up".

"mod parent up" (5, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352462)

"mod parent up" This comment was generated by HackBot 01928

Re:"mod parent up" (1, Insightful)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353332)

"mod parent down" - This comment generated by AntispamWikibot. If you feel this was an error, report your complaint to Abusebot.

Aside -

I always find it amusing when I see wikipedia bots caught in a revert war with one another. Who watches the watchers? Apparently nobody.

Re:"mod parent up" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353948)

FAIL

The quote is "Who watches the Watchmen?"

Please fold down the right corner of your geek card

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (2, Interesting)

Entropy98 (1340659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352560)

In other news, some Slashdot users don't like to do all the hard work of writing inspiring posts to build karma. Instead, they developed a simple online service to 'steal' karma from the hardworking posters. The service allows anyone to scan Slashdot articles for underrated comments and automatically post replies urging moderators to "mod parent up".

Actually I've found that "mod parent up" posts are quite likely to get you modded down.

Replying to let someone know how they're wrong, now that's how you get easy karma!

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (5, Funny)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352688)

That is the most asinine, idiotic comment I have ever read. If your intellect was 1/8th of mine, you would simply burn your keyboard and never show your face on /. again. I shall now go back to reveling in my own smugness - the rest of you may continue the conversation.

*...I hope the mods have a sense of humor this morning*

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (2)

Cwix (1671282) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353180)

(Score:1, Flamebait) Guess not, that sucks.. its my experience they NEVER have a sense of humor in the morning *prepares for his down modding*

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (1)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353248)

Geez - they probably didn't even read the whole thing. I think you're right. Next time, I'll send a cup of coffee with my ironically phrased posts.

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353708)

Sheesh - talk about a self fulfilling prophecy. Humor on /. is always a risky proposition. Best to just look straight ahead, not make any eye contact with anyone, and just say "MS sucks" if anyone approaches you.

Now, that I'm safely tucked into the impervious shield of AC, I can safely navigate this minefield of a thread.

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (2)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354234)

Lol, at least your comments are looked at. I posted 1 dumb comment awhile back that was tagged as flamebait, and it seems that since then, I get no love, which is disappointing. I do not understand the system, especially when people make posts that just say mod parent up and get tagged 5 for funny. Oh well. I am not complaining, just stating that some of us try to actively post and still have bad karma from way too long ago, hehehe

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (0)

DemonBeaver (1485573) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354780)

Mod... parent... up!!!

Re:Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355546)

Exactly. Really, I gave up on ever trying to even get a score. I am trying to just post to post and try to provide feedback or a funny comment. Honestly, as long as somebody is reading the random stuff I put up, than I am at least satisfied.

Not surprised (4, Insightful)

zmaragdus (1686342) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352324)

Criminals stealing from criminals? Doesn't surprise me. It happens all the time in the physical world.

(Before the deluge of malice-laden replies regarding "how I make all hackers out to be villians," yes, I know the difference between white hat and black hat.)

Re:Not surprised (4, Insightful)

nahdude812 (88157) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353130)

A big part of why it's so alluring is that when you steal from a thief, not only is the grunt work already done, the chain of evidence gets disrupted. Leads past that point are likely to be interpreted as an attempt at misdirection (particularly in the case where information theft does not destroy the original information - the original phisher looks like the end of the line). Plus nobody is going to call the police that illegal information was stolen, doing so requires them to first admit their own crime, or at least put themselves at very high jeopardy of discovery.

So if you can crack a phisher, you're far less likely to face real world retribution (though maybe they'll work on cracking you back).

This makes phishers a much juicier, safer target, though presumably they're quite a lot more savvy than the average user, so pulling it off is likely harder.

Re:Not surprised (2, Interesting)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354960)

You've never seen cops before, they could do whole episodes where all the do is arrest people that call the police after a prostitute/drug dealer takes their money.

Re:Not surprised (1)

Deanalator (806515) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355618)

No, phish kits are pretty simple, and can be bought pretty cheaply. This isn't really about "hacking" anyone, it's more about knowing the most common places that phish kits keep their passwords.txt or whatever. AutoWhaler is like nikto for phishing websites :-)

Seriously though, I doubt it will get much use beyond academic, since I doubt there are many hackers out there that want to share their findings with whoever it is that runs that site.

Re:Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353194)

Criminals stealing from criminals? Doesn't surprise me. It happens all the time in the physical world.

(Before the deluge of malice-laden replies regarding "how I make all hackers out to be villians," yes, I know the difference between white hat and black hat.)

All in the game, yo, all in the game.

Re:Not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353720)

Don't worry, this criminal log result for free.... so criminal steal criminals who steal criminals.... Everyone is happy !

In the olden days... (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355438)

This would've been considered as an act of war, and the next thing you know people in the streets are cutting each others in half with tommy guns.

People of ill repute diong thingfs of ill repute (4, Insightful)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352332)

People of ill repute do things of ill repute. Even to each other. Is anyone really surprised?

This is no different from a car thief stealing cars from another car thief, aside from it involving the internet (therefore probably making it newly patentable!) and perhaps a matter of scale.

Re:People of ill repute diong thingfs of ill reput (2, Interesting)

Grygus (1143095) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352564)

People of ill repute do things of ill repute. Even to each other. Is anyone really surprised?

This is no different from a car thief stealing cars from another car thief, aside from it involving the internet (therefore probably making it newly patentable!) and perhaps a matter of scale.

I think the subtext here is that hackers aren't necessarily bad guys and so it's more like repo men stealing from car thieves, still not completely shocking but somewhat more interesting.

Wait a second, here. (5, Funny)

Runefox (905204) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352338)

Hard-working phishers? What? Did we cross over into the Twilight Zone, here?

Re:Wait a second, here. (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352630)

Yeah, what's hard about cloning a site (not always that well), hiring a botnet and spamming the whole world (again, not always that convincingly and not always to the relevant people) before sitting and waiting for the account details to roll in?

Next thing you know there'll be an article about how migrants are stealing jobs from these poor, hard-working phishers!

Re:Wait a second, here. (1)

Entropy98 (1340659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352786)

Yeah, what's hard about cloning a site (not always that well), hiring a botnet and spamming the whole world

Probably hiring a botnet.

Re:Wait a second, here. (1)

IBBoard (1128019) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353744)

I dunno. BBC Click [bbc.co.uk] managed to do it seemingly quite easily (thereby giving some of the BBC license fee to criminals), and broadcast it on TV, and subsequently modify people's computers (they changed the desktop to one of their own messages), and still they didn't get charged over it. If you can be that blatant and make it appear that easy then I can't imagine the phishers will have much trouble with it.

Thieves stealing from thieves. (5, Funny)

captainpanic (1173915) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352342)

Suddenly sounds like they are all bankers to me.

Re:Thieves stealing from thieves. (1)

zmaragdus (1686342) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352388)

Suddenly sounds like they are all bankers to me.

Maybe lawyers, too, twisting the truth back & forth

Re:Thieves stealing from thieves. (1)

baKanale (830108) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352948)

Speaking of which, I'll bet the phishers aren't doing so well in this economy. Sounds like somebody needs a bailout!

Re:Thieves stealing from thieves. (1)

Yvanhoe (564877) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353038)

At least the meta-thief doesn't try to convince the thief he has made a good deal.

Hackers and phishers (4, Insightful)

schmidt349 (690948) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352348)

Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on;
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on.

Re:Hackers and phishers (5, Funny)

soccerisgod (585710) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352556)

If that's what they tought you in biology, I don't want to know what they tought you in sex-ed...

Re:Hackers and phishers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353438)

A turtle looks pretty close to a really big flea.

It's fleas all the way up, but it's turtles all the way down.

Re:Hackers and phishers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353886)

If they taught you in English that taught was spell "tought"... actually, screw it. The education system is fscked, apparently.

Sex ed (2, Funny)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355328)

Adults chat in the online world,
  decide to meet for coffee.
To great effect she did a-twirl,
  sparks fly that scare Khadafi.
Until one day she chatted coy,
  paid nary a thought to time.
Turns out it was a 12 year old,
  they charged her with a crime.

Re:Hackers and phishers (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352738)

I have no clue what you are talking about, but there are pills and ointments you can use if you are dealing with that many fleas

Re:Hackers and phishers (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354456)

And on that flea there was a rash a rare rash, a rattlin' rash. The rash on the flea and the flea on the wing and the wing on the bird and the bird in the egg and the egg in the bird and the bird in the nest and the nest on the leaf and the leaf on the twig and the twig on the branch and the branch on the trunk and the trunk on the tree and the tree in the bog and the bog down in the valley-o.

Re:Hackers and phishers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30355238)

This is similar to one of my favorite fluid dynamics poems:

Big whorls have little whorls,
Which feed on their velocity;
And little whorls have lesser whorls,
And so on to viscosity

-Lewis Fry Richardson, 1922

Yup... (1)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352378)

There is always a bigger fish.
  -- Qui-Gon Jinn

Re:Yup... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352498)

There is always a bigger phish.

  -- Qui-Gon Jinn

There, fixed that for you

I can see the poll now... (3, Funny)

philipmather (864521) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352390)

In a web 3.0 show-down who would win?

1) Hackers.
2) Pirates.
3) Phishers.
4) Ninjas.
5) The Man.
5) Cowboy Neal.

Missing option being a tag-team of Chuck Norris and Angelina Jolie.

Re:I can see the poll now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354520)

5) The Man.
5) Cowboy Neal.

I knew it! Cowboy Neal and The Man have the same number so they must be the same person.

Cowboy Neal is The Man!

The hunter becomes the hunted (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352406)

I've always wanted to say this.

Re:The hunter becomes the hunted (5, Funny)

Publikwerks (885730) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353118)

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate

Re:The hunter becomes the hunted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30355692)

If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate

Best Futurama quote ever.

Dag-nabbit! (4, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352434)

These young hackers causing all this hutinanity and without any real work.

Back in my days youngans, Hacking or cracking as it was sometimes called, while still illegal was something to be respected, you had to know what you were doing to break into a system and the harder the break-in the more respect you got... Now todays you kids got all comerical and you can break into computers without having the break into them. You just ask someone for the passwords and they give them to you... Dag-nabbit that is not hacking that sounds like politicians to me.

Re:Dag-nabbit! (4, Insightful)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352514)

Well, back in my day we had to do real work. There were no computers to help like you namby pamby phishers have to day. It was get up at 5am, check out the garbage of the local banks, then spend 8 hours hand typing investment certificates and forging cheque books. What is the criminal underworld coming to?

Re:Dag-nabbit! (4, Funny)

Xacid (560407) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352586)

Two words "Process Improvement".

Re:Dag-nabbit! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352622)

Let's hope they take it all the way to CMMI Level 5. Then we won't have to worry any more - they'll be too busy working on their process documents to steal.

Anon because I work at a CMMI-5 company...

Re:Dag-nabbit! (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352928)

Ughhh, we have some CMMI guys and they're on a totally different planet so I can totally see what you're saying. The Six Sigma Black Belts are just as good too.

Re:Dag-nabbit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352520)

Most of the cool hacker stories I've heard/read involved a lot of social-engineering. Phising could be considered a form of social-engineering, couldn't it?

Re:Dag-nabbit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352524)

...while still illegal was something to be respected, you had to know what you were doing... sounds like politicians to me.

Doesn't sound to me like anything has changed.

Re:Dag-nabbit! (2, Interesting)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352684)

Hacking is about finding the most efficient route to the juiciest payload without ruffling feathers unduly. Here's a fun article [seoblackhat.com] that I think illustrates this concept really well.

Re:Dag-nabbit! (1)

bmearns (1691628) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355116)

Here, I fixed that sentence for you:

Hacking is about finding the most clever route to do pretty much anything.

Parasites are everywhere, for natural reasons (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352506)

In other news, some Slashdot users don't like to do all the hard work of writing inspiring posts to build karma. Instead, they developed a simple online service to 'steal' karma from the hardworking posters. The service allows anyone to scan Slashdot articles for underrated comments and automatically post replies urging moderators to "mod parent up"

Hard work? (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 4 years ago | (#30352542)

"Some hackers out there don't like to do all the hard work of running..." Nuff said.

i tried it out and... (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352578)

...all it does is to try access a number of pre-defined files from the root directory of the probed host: passwords.txt, logs.txt, l0gz.txt, accounts.txt etc. -- talk about sophisticated hacker tool! massive all phreaker big-up! what a joke...

the tool also "epically fails" if you supply a host that is not encapsuled in http:// ... /

Parasites have parasites (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30352768)

"Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.
And the great fleas themselves, in turn, have greater fleas to go on,
While these again have greater still, and greater still, and so on."

misuse of the term 'hacker' (5, Informative)

fishtorte (1117491) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353060)

from the jargon file [catb.org]:

hacker: n.

        [originally, someone who makes furniture with an axe]

        1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. RFC1392, the Internet Users' Glossary, usefully amplifies this as: A person who delights in having an intimate understanding of the internal workings of a system, computers and computer networks in particular.

        2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming.

        3. A person capable of appreciating hack value.

        4. A person who is good at programming quickly.

        5. An expert at a particular program, or one who frequently does work using it or on it; as in ‘a Unix hacker’. (Definitions 1 through 5 are correlated, and people who fit them congregate.)

        6. An expert or enthusiast of any kind. One might be an astronomy hacker, for example.

        7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.

        8. [deprecated] A malicious meddler who tries to discover sensitive information by poking around. Hence password hacker, network hacker. The correct term for this sense is cracker.

        The term ‘hacker’ also tends to connote membership in the global community defined by the net (see the network. For discussion of some of the basics of this culture, see the How To Become A Hacker FAQ. It also implies that the person described is seen to subscribe to some version of the hacker ethic (see hacker ethic).

        It is better to be described as a hacker by others than to describe oneself that way. Hackers consider themselves something of an elite (a meritocracy based on ability), though one to which new members are gladly welcome. There is thus a certain ego satisfaction to be had in identifying yourself as a hacker (but if you claim to be one and are not, you'll quickly be labeled bogus). See also geek, wannabee.

        This term seems to have been first adopted as a badge in the 1960s by the hacker culture surrounding TMRC and the MIT AI Lab. We have a report that it was used in a sense close to this entry's by teenage radio hams and electronics tinkerers in the mid-1950s.

Note that the perjorative use has been deprecated.

Re:misuse of the term 'hacker' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353406)

Sigh... I thought, for once, I might read a story about computer crime on slashdot with out having to see some one pull out this old saw. Language changes... Get over it.

Keep It Simple Son (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354358)

The correct definition of "hacking" a device or application is,
making the device or application function in a way which was not intended by the original author.

The definition brought forward by the media only focuses on hacking remote devices for malicious purposes.

Re:misuse of the term 'hacker' (0, Troll)

daddycoy (1621429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354374)

Who ever labled this guy as a troll is a total pinhead. Theres tons of those on slashdot the numbers will kill you. He is right not exactly but real close, why in the hell would a real hacker need to use a password cracker and use premade dictionary list number list etc to get into something that wasnt a challenge to begin with. Yes a true hacker programs youve got to,to make what is needed for some of the objectives. heres the kicker they are password crackers that will crack any password no matter what it is, but only a true hacker would have that and that would mean he programmed it and it is a challenge to make btw now i would see why a real hacker would use a password cracker but not a premade one but the one everyone cant get the one that can crack all passwords. If a real hacker wanted to crack a password he would want it to be challenging something noone else could do, omg i just proved something thats what makes a hacker what he does for the challenge of it. A True Hacker wants a challenge or it would be pointless to even hack. If a hacker does pointless stuff lets see using a password hacker now come on my 8 year old can do that, no talent in that what so ever. A Real hacker wont even bother with a old vulnerability thats known or that he knows he moves on to get in a diffrent way why you may ask for the challenge of it. A True Hacker thrives for a challenge not someone elses known entry then it would be pointless to be a hacker and once again hackers dont harm. but times have changed maybe im even wrong maybe hackers of today dont want a challenge and they use someone elses password cracker and etc etc. The New Times are doing nothing but depressing me. If you ask so called hacker if he can program and he says no there is definatly something wrong with that picture oh ill answer this it may be sarcastic to you but i dont care a hacker who cant program is not even a hacker. ask so called hacker why he hacks if he dont answer this "for the challenge of it" there again is something wrong with that picture. ok say if hackers make viruses for instance, would he use someone elses why no its probably done been detected. that is why he would need to program to make something nothing detects, thats if he wanted to harm. For those windows users who say theres no viruses on my computer, your a pinhead As ill say this not even norton will protect you. and i really hate norton lousy excuse for a virus scanners and ill leave in a fact if indeed every virus could be identified then why is there definition updates for virus scanners. quick answer they discovered a new virus and there updating it, it dont mean the virus came out right then, it simply means they discovered it i know of a virus that wasnt discovered untill 3 years later and keep causing havoc. good job on who ever discovered that one and how to disinfect it, it took you that long to disinfect it. did you read the aricle about they tried 20 virus scanners and it didnt fully take out a certain virus scary huh. - only if your a windows users theres lots to be scared of when you use windows. If windows is so great then why you scared, some pinheads dont care if they get a virus or not they just format. yea geeksquad a format will fix it every time for gawd sakes take the effort to fix it. that was sarcasm and fact see i have this neibor who uses geeksquad im like are they good, he says i like them, then i questioned him more, then he says they backup my data and format and then i said everytime they come out he said yes. I told him im not claiming to know better than geeksquad but next time you have problem let me have a crack at it whats gonna hurt your not gonna loose your data and you know geeksquad is gonna format,he's like ok i go to sit as his pc i find the problem it took no longer than lets say 5 minutes i fixed it i didnt format the pc. i told him his pc was fixed. he's like no way you didnt format i laughed then he sits at his pc he's like wow it is fixed then he said what do i owe you and my answer nothing it was to simple. this neibor comes and knocks on my door now when he has a problem and ive never had to format his pc, this has been for 2 years so far. I'm not cutting down geeksquad and dont want to hurt there buisness hell i dont care if i do actually. I finally got tired of fixing the same problem and taught my neibor how to fix his own problem since this problem keep happening over and over with him. He hasnt knocked on my door in awhile now and ive not seen geeksquad over there anymore. But i did ask him what he thought of geeksquad since he was one of there "previous" customers. His answer was if they had to format to fix that problem every time they were either worthless or trying to make more money i'll let you decide

Re:misuse of the term 'hacker' (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354924)

Hacking started out as a slang term that means one cluster of things. The meaning has since evolved.

Now we've got people citing dictionary meanings of the term.

The drive to classify--and to impose your classification upon others--must be a human biological imperative.

Re:misuse of the term 'hacker' (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355372)

Note that the perjorative use has been deprecated.

Note that the act of deprecating definitions you do not like has been deprecated.

Re:misuse of the term 'hacker' (2, Insightful)

Princeofcups (150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30356058)

Note that the perjorative use has been deprecated.

And the jargon file represents, what, less than 5% of the English speaking world? The rest use the word hacker. Sorry, the battle is already lost.

To Those Hard Working Phishers.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30353388)

... that had the same password as their account names on various servers over the years:

Thank you for the laughs.

And no, I don't have your phished data. I didn't want it. I'm the guy who recursively deleted all of it. As much as I could find.

I love seeing that little tilde in the target address I'm supposed to click in your spam.

Weekend phishing (0, Offtopic)

mancunian_nick (986362) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353442)

The only time I was really interested in phishing was when I was a young teenager - more years ago than I sometimes care to remember. I used to love going to the end of Eastbourne pier but despite a lot of effort and determination, all I ever seemed to 'catch' were crabs and the occasional tiddler. These days I don't bother - older and the fact I'm not near the coast probably contribute to that. Oh well, c'est la vie.

I Had to comment this has bothered me (-1, Troll)

daddycoy (1621429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30353596)

For the 50 thousandth time hackers dont harm they find ways into a computer thats what they like to do is find a vulnerability nothing more. Please for the love of god use the term hacker right. i call people who harm crackers because thats the name they deserve by doing harm you should be called that. Hackers are good people they just have a hobby is all and thats finding vulnerabilities ways in, thats the true enjoyment of it in the first place. Microsoft listen to the real hackers out there when they tell you of a vulnerability dont label them as a threat and have them arrested. Microsoft thats another reason your so vulnerable when a true hacker trys to help you and tell you of your vulnerability you dont listen but maybe you do its bad you have to make yourself completly anonnymous to tell you you have a vulnerbility. Sometimes the True Hacker gets fed up with microsoft and makes it easy so everyone can do it by programming something so these so called crackers will use it and do good all in all you eventually fix your vulnerabilities i guess a cracker is good for something. Please comment and btw im not a hacker but i do know alot of them true ones atleast that dont do harm and i know a couple that have got fed up and programmed something so a cracker can take it up microsofts ass, the hacker didnt want to harm but only got fed up is all. Btw i can program self taught back in the old days, i didnt need a damn university to teach me i learnt the hard way, to any one who wants to learn to program they have books for that tutorials the sources are endless these days go out and grab a few and read them youll learn eventually and ill say this theres no deadline, start out with something mad easy if it takes you along time well guess what your just learning thats normal, donr let someone tell you i could do that in 5 minutes discourage you,thats what people do is discourage you its stupidity, if the truely indeed started programming thereselfs and said that took me 2 minutes guess what, ill lay a thousand on it they stold someones source code and said they programmed it alot of self proclaimed programmers do that the numbers would shock you. Microsoft im not calling you one of those people in anyway. Just a hint i was alive when windows first came out and the same for apples operating system and when it did why did both do the same stuff but only looked diffrent, if anyone didnt notice back then were stupid but hay theres alot of stupid people out there, Bill Gates i only respect you as a buisnessman your one hell of a one, it took alot of talent for what you did, im not listing the things but to ever good buisnessman is a crook but you have to be a crook to be a good buisnessman it wouldnt work out if you werent. Now Steve Jobs i respect that guy for more than that, Bill Gates sadly you may be worth more, But Steve Jobs is better than you he proved it back then and hes even proving it now and at the rate it keeps going apple will be worth more than microsoft, its sad steve jobs doesnt own a chunk of apple it should, Bill Gates you screwed up and dont even know it you broke the trust of the best friend you could of ever had and you would of even been more successfull than you are now, well thats a lie since at that time microsoft and apples operating system was basically the same thing so how would bill gates profit with his operating system, this is sarcasm someone elses operating system to begin with. I wish one day steve jobs would really speak out say what needs to be said and finish it it would only hurt you if microsoft owned apple i know they used to own most of it but i dont know now i think things have changed, i dont know if microsoft even owns any of apple they dont need to thats for sure and if they dont Steve Jobs speak up and tell it like it is it needs to be heard from you, You know what im talking about and make people lose respect for bill gates oh i forgot he retired but atleast make people think less of him people think to high of him and shouldnt if they only knew the actual truth Let it be known, because there was a reason your operating sytem and microsofts were basically the same at that time. Let it be known who programmed what and i guess you allready know this never trust anyone when it comes to buisness or something of yours. Dont even trust family, you can tell them you trust them but in reality they dont have to know. Theres a diffrence in trust and love. Alot of people says you got to trust them to love them, well i know thats untrue. I love my wife more than anything but do i trust her no but will i tell her that well of coarse, because she wouldnt think i loved her if i didnt tell her that because her definition of love is diffrent than mine. yes i would die for her and any of my kids and why is that you ask because i love them that much, i would gladly die if it meant they could live, but for someone i dont love i wont do that because i dont love you that much "care for you" Just to blabber own and i hope people have learnt something by this DONT TRUST ANYONE i didnt suggest you this for the hell of it, its because someone you would of never thought of turned around and stabbed me right in the back and unfortunatly i still love this person, because there the reason im here thats a hint.

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354016)

Sometimes I convince myself that this person's wall of text/stream of conciseness will say something insightful or meaningful, and I should read it.

So I read it.
- Learn to proof read
- Learn to focus on a single topic
- Please do not have any more children

I'm sad that someone choose to marry you, and I really doubt that anyone cares about your mommy/daddy issues.

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (1)

Xserv (909355) | more than 4 years ago | (#30354118)

"...I'm sad that someone choose to marry you..."

While I don't wholeheartedly disagree with your summation of the aforementioned post, when posting a flame, at least take your own advice -- namely your first point.

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (0, Troll)

daddycoy (1621429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355320)

this is gonna hurt you. My son is smarter than you. wanna make wagers im all for it,and the kicker he's 8. Ill video tape him doing something that i bet you cant do, its not a trick but its something that takes talent and it involves the computer. ill see if you can do it but if i video tape it you'll learn to do it darn... Have you ever overchieved in something at the detail that noone in your grade level in the entire school system hasnt.. Well guess what my son has he's gonna be put on the local station here. He allready has been put in the newspaper.. So my son was a sucess would you like me to prove that to you i got the letter right here but ill take his name out.. I dont want everyone to know who i am btw.. But you would say i wrote a letter. But the format it was put in i couldnt of possibly done because im to stupid.. that just proves i didnt write it... But you will argue anyway.. Wanna talk about some of my accomplishments and what ive done in the computer world in the software department and again i dont want you to know who i am.. I can prove it by giving you the source code,but i wont do that you could use it like microsoft did with osx and make money from it. All you would do is have to change the gui.. that seems to be the thing though the prettier something it is the more its used.. chrome is using that with firefox seen there commercial they show firefox "not pretty" and google awesome colors diffrent colors actually thats there pitch they never said they were better than firefox in this commercial but they got one thing right it sure is prettier than firefox. But if this continues to escalate ill prove who i am and by having something noone else has to do that. Then you would know who i was, ill eventually not give a shit. I'll let you watch my son on tv hmm how you know who he is, heres a hint we do have the same last name. Please dont inuslt someone for there grammer i hated english disliked it and it is true my mind is all over the place, i wish it could be controlled it bothers me sometimes it even happens when i make comments i appologize for that. But you earned your name Anonymous Coward.. Reveal the real you prove it and the accomplishment thats if you accomplished anything worthwhile but i dont know i may be floored. You can definatly use English and Grammer better than me. I'll admit that that is a accomplishment but is it better than what ive accomplished or even yet is it better than what my son has accomplished because these accomplishments are unique that we have done not everyone can say they have done it or have the ability to do. grammer doesnt measure ones ability and because they jump off topic from one place to another doesnt either its just something that happens my mind is never at ease it has to be challenged. I have a illness that causes this your smart right, shouldnt be to hard to figure out. It's a illness well lets say alot of smart people have, i could name a few but then you would wiki and find the name of the illness. Take a guess. If you say mental retardation your wrong thats what i would expect a twit like you to say to to insult a person. because your good at insults maybe thats what you have accomplished better than anyone. Your not gonna make no money at that btw and definatly not gonna earn a spot on television.. Here's a kicker ive been on television more than once and even paid channels, here in america thats called cable I'll give you a hint its because of something i programmed. Not because im a good actor gawd knows i fail at that. And grammer i fail at that. Btw i did say something meaningfull but it would hurt you if you was a windows user. 9/10 you are. I gave a prime example of why not to trust someone, it happend between steve jobs and bill gates. Trust it takes a smarter person to not trust anyone because he knows the risk it takes,and those risk stream my mind at such a rate it bothers me, the risk outweight the good things. Just say if Steve Jobs didnt trust bill gates, microsoft as we know it wouldnt of even excisted, before you make your opinion. research it really well and my comment is fact it will be proven. Bill gates even stabbed Steve Jobs in the back but it made him alot of money. Steve Jobs if he didnt trust that wouldnt of ever happend. Bill Gates did nothing but use apple. If you in the same boat im in its best not to trust anyone no matter who they are.. Now it might be easy for you to trust someone because either one you dont fear or two your a nobody, which is it?

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30355896)

as I said before take your meds

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354058)

please take your antipsycotic meds

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354198)

Since you kept repeating this incorrectly for 50 times, i had to correct you.

The correct definition of "hacking" a device or application is,
making the device or application function in a way that was not intended by the original author.

The definition brought forward by the media only focuses on hacking remote devices for malicious purposes.

Re:I Had to comment this has bothered me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30354822)

I prescribe some Zyprexa twice daily

Close the loop (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#30355874)

If you can get the phishers to concentrate on the hackers, while the hackers are concentrating on the phishers, maybe they will leave the rest of us alone.

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