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eBay vs. Craigslist Courtroom Fisticuffs Start Today

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the grab-the-popcorn dept.

The Courts 129

davekleiman writes with news that former eBay chief exec Meg Whitman took the stand today to kick off the battle that has been brewing between Craigslist and eBay. The waters are further clouded by Whitman's upcoming bid for governor of California. "eBay wants to shed light on the 'coercive plan' that it has said Newmark hatched with Craigslist Chief Executive Jim Buckmaster to dilute eBay's ownership stake, ultimately stripping eBay of its seat on the Craigslist board. Craigslist has hit back that eBay used its board seat to glean information to launch its own classified site, Kijiji. Craigslist also claims that eBay used deceptive tactics to direct traffic away from its site."

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129 comments

Wooh (-1, Troll)

rmushkatblat (1690080) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357542)

Go eBay! (lower my fees, pl0x)

Cross Ownership (3, Interesting)

Akido37 (1473009) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357576)

It always struck me as a little weird that major competitors should have a seat on the board.

It would be like Microsoft having a board seat at Apple. Or Google at Microsoft. It just doesn't happen.

What made eBay and Craigslist different? Or think they were different?

Re:Cross Ownership (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357608)

Eat my goatse'd [goatse.fr] penis.

Re:Cross Ownership (1, Funny)

Stradenko (160417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357618)

Google at apple? ... oh.

Re:Cross Ownership (5, Funny)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357622)

What made eBay and Craigslist different? Or think they were different?

It's easier to find prostitutes on Craigslist.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

Gilmoure (18428) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358988)

Try ordering a prostitute from eBay and half the time, it doesn't work or isn't as describe. 38-A cup?!!!

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

Snufu (1049644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359084)

It's easier to find prostitutes on Craigslist.

Insert power seller, feedback, bid retraction, or pimppal joke here.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

Bob_Who (926234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359560)

It's easier to find prostitutes on Craigslist.

But its easier to find pimps on ebay

Re:Cross Ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30359660)

Yeah, let me tell you those eBay prostitutes are well-hidden!

Re: It's easier to find prostitutes on Craigslist. (5, Funny)

Bob_Who (926234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359796)

....and yet its easier to get screwed on eBay!!

Re:Cross Ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357698)

Richard M. Stallman, Eric S. Raymond, Linus Torvalds, and Bruce Schneier on Microsoft's board.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357984)

Richard M. Stallman, Eric S. Raymond, Linus Torvalds, and Bruce Schneier on Microsoft's board.

I don't see them there. [microsoft.com]

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

brian0918 (638904) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357714)

More importantly, why should it matter? If they want to do something dumb like have a competitor on their board, they should be free to make that dumb mistake. How does it become a legal matter, unless fraud or a breach of contract occurred?

Re:Cross Ownership (4, Informative)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357788)

They have a competitor on the board since the competitor elected itself to the board with all the shares which they bought. No one but this competitor is happy with this setup.

Re:Cross Ownership (4, Interesting)

bberens (965711) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357968)

They have a competitor on the board since the competitor elected itself to the board with all the shares which they bought. No one but this competitor is happy with this setup.

Clarification... No one but a significant owner (who just happens to be a competitor) is happy with this setup. It sounds like a diet form of hostile takeover.

Re:Cross Ownership (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357738)

It does happen in some industries, and the law on it is pretty complex and murky (and varies by country). When it's below a certain threshold, so the minority stake doesn't exercise control over the company, and has representation basically only to ensure its rights as a minority shareholder are respected, it's considered a "passive investment" and not subject to the usual antitrust scrutiny that would ensue if, say, eBay actually tried to buy Craigslist (or buy a stake considered controlling). A lot of economists are a bit skeptical of just how passive such passive investments are, though. The keywords +"passive investment" +competitors [google.com] bring up a whole pile of writing on the subject...

Re:Cross Ownership (3, Insightful)

BeardedChimp (1416531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357962)

Or even weirder, say having MPs on the board of private companies whose modus operandi directly conflicts with protecting the public... oh wait that does happen. Patricia Hewitt et al.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

hemp (36945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358144)

eBay owns 25% of Craigslist.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358292)

It always struck me as a little weird that major competitors should have a seat on the board.

It would be like Microsoft having a board seat at Apple. Or Google at Microsoft. It just doesn't happen.

What made eBay and Craigslist different? Or think they were different?

How else are they supposed to get away with collusion and evade anti-trust laws?

check out www.theyrule.net and see just how interconnected various companies really are. (and then implicitly the impact on free markets and fair business practice)

Re:Cross Ownership (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358866)

It always struck me as a little weird that major competitors should have a seat on the board.
  It would be like Microsoft having a board seat at Apple. Or Google at Microsoft. It just doesn't happen.
  What made eBay and Craigslist different? Or think they were different?

Actually it happens all the time, in many corporations.
Just do a search : "xxx board of directors" replace the "xxx" with any company, Apple, Microsoft, Google, eBay, etc...
You will start seeing familiar names on them, some directors sit on the boards of 10-15 companies or more.
The CEO of Google just resigned from Apples board in September.

Re:Cross Ownership (2, Interesting)

stephanruby (542433) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358882)

It would be like Microsoft having a board seat at Apple.

Microsoft did have a seat at Apple. It had to. If Apple had faltered, the Feds would have broken up Microsoft. Believe it or not, Microsoft tried really hard to keep Apple alive (during its non-Steve Jobs days).

Same goes with VISA and Mastercard, except there the threat was explicitly stated (in the case of Microsoft, the threat was implicit), the Feds ordered that both boards of VISA and MasterCard share board members (forcing its larger member banks to have membership in both), which in hindsight was a bad idea, now instead of having one monopoly called VISA International, now VISA and Mastercard are two monopolies that pretty much march in sync with each other (that the Feds don't really want to complain about, since it was basically their miscalculation that made the mess even bigger).

What made eBay and Craigslist different? Or think they were different?

Craigslist has large private investors. It's not a publicly traded company. If Microsoft tries going after Google. Microsoft would have to notify Google as soon as it accumulates 5% of the company. Plus, also the Feds would almost certainly block any attempt from Microsoft to get any board seat on Google.

And in the case of Google and Apple, the Google board member actually resigned from Apple's board citing conflicts of interests. Initially, the Google guy would just seat out the parts of the discussion on the board that involved the competing business units. Personally, I doubt Ebay gave the same courtesy to Craigslist, since Craigslist has essentially only one business unit and only twelve employees.

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

Atomm (945911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359062)

If you really want to understand how this happened, read this wired story. It will make a lot more sense.

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/08/craigslist-vs-ebay/ [wired.com]

Re:Cross Ownership (1)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359294)

Ebay owns about 25% of Craiglist. That's what's different. Actually, Microsoft owned about 18 million shares of Apple at one point. That would be equal to 72 million shares today due to splits or about 8% of Apples outstanding stock. If Microsoft hadn't made sure it was non-voting stock, it probably would have allowed them to have a member on Apples board as well.

Kijiji? (5, Funny)

FrankSchwab (675585) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357628)

OK, I use Ebay a lot, and Craigslist even more, and this is the first time I've ever heard of Kijiji.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijiji) says it's been up since 2007 in the US.

Sounds like an epic failure to me. I wonder if it carries any Zune ads?

Re:Kijiji? (2, Informative)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357676)

I was about to post a dupe of your post. Checked out Kijiji.com and there doesn't seem to be anything there???

Epic failure indeed.

Re:Kijiji? (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357744)

indeed it seems a failure ... I just checked my own area and virtually nothing is posted. But I also hated the look and feel of the site. It just felt like a site I'd want to avoid.

Re:Kijiji? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357960)

Craigslist doesn't even list my area. So it also seems to be a failure to me.

Re:Kijiji? (2, Informative)

HybridJeff (717521) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358204)

Its a regional thing, apparently more people use Kijiji where my brother lives than Craigslist (Belleville, Ontario).

Re:Kijiji? (3, Informative)

lytfyre (1518695) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358388)

Kijiji is actually quite big in most of Ontario. As far as I've seen, Toronto is about the only place where Craigslist is bigger than Kijiji.
This is really irritating, as Kijiji is stuffed with adertising, tries to upsell you for higher placement, etc. etc.
not sure why it happened in the first place, but it's the state of things.

Re:Kijiji? (2, Funny)

KraftDinner (1273626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357696)

Kijiji is far from a huge failure. Many people who are power posters on Craigslist also post on Kijiji because Kijiji's user base is quite large.

Re:Kijiji? (3, Insightful)

ArhcAngel (247594) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357896)

Spoken like a true eBay shareholder.

Re:Kijiji? (3, Informative)

FrankSchwab (675585) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357994)

I live in Phoenix.

Doing a quick and unscientific test, the Phoenix Kijiji site has 37 for-sale listings posted for Saturday, Sunday, and Today.

The Phoenix Craigslist site has 1200 for-sale listings in the last 45 MINUTES.

At least for my location, I think Kijiji qualifies as an "Epic failure".

Re:Kijiji? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358108)

1200 for-sale listings are done by bots

67% of CL ads are done by bots.

Translated: it means that Africa bots are very efficiency in deceiving you.

Re:Kijiji? (1)

FarFromUnique (1452027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358862)

Good to know that bots are "very efficiency". All this post is missing is a viagra ad at the bottom, and I'd almost think it was written by an efficiency bot.

Re:Kijiji? (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359378)

Don't use "epic" in vain. It's a case of abject failure.

In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357752)

Craigslist is big in large markets, but in small markets, no one uses it. Kijiji rules the roost in small markets.

IE in my homedown, of about 100,000 people, there are less than 200 posts right now in craigslist ForSale section.

Kijiji has over 24,000.

It is because of the classic dillema that keeps users on Craigslist (despite it being a steamping pile of crap), and keeps people on eBay (despite them charging a fortune). People searching need a critical mass of people selling, and people selling need a critical mass of people searching. It is a self-renforcing monopoloy that is a tough nut to crack.

Craigslist has always been unpopular in small markets, that is where Kijiji got its foothold.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Interesting)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357870)

It is because of the classic dillema that keeps users on Craigslist (despite it being a steamping pile of crap), and keeps people on eBay (despite them charging a fortune). People searching need a critical mass of people selling, and people selling need a critical mass of people searching. It is a self-renforcing monopoloy that is a tough nut to crack.

Craigslist has always been unpopular in small markets, that is where Kijiji got its foothold.

This makes no sense at all. Why would Craigslist benefit from the network effect [wikipedia.org] , but not Kijiji?

Example: We have a huge, active Craigslist in DC. By contrast, Kijiji has practically nothing. On the other hand, my hometown of Lansing, Michigan has a small and anemic Craigslist. Not many postings in the for sale section, for instance. The Kijiji site for Lansing is also very sparse.

So I don't get it... I can't actually find a specific small-town environment in which Kijiji actually has an advantage. Can anyone suggest a specific one? I also don't know of any marketing or technical reason why Kijiji would have gotten a foothold where Craigslist hasn't...

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Informative)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358036)

I can't actually find a specific small-town environment in which Kijiji actually has an advantage. Can anyone suggest a specific one?

http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/ [craigslist.ca]
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/ [kijiji.ca]

In every comparable category I've checked, Kijiji has more activity (usually by an order of magnitude.) For example "Computers" - Kijiji has 17 ads in the last hour, Craigslist has 3 for the whole day. (And that's not counting "Computer accessories" which only exists in Kijiji.) "Motorcycles" - Kijiji has 31 posts so far today, Craigslist has 3. "Furniture" - Kijiji has 27 posts in the last hour, Craigslist has 4 for the day.

Every other category I've checked is similar.. Kijiji is just *way* more popular in Edmonton.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Interesting)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358086)

I wonder if Edmonton, Ca is an anomaly.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (3, Interesting)

KraftDinner (1273626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358152)

I think Kijiji is bigger in Canada, but I have no stats to back up my claim. Just speaking with friends and family. Even my non-technical family have heard of Kijiji and not Craigslist.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (4, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358410)

So Kijiji is eBay's Canadian girlfriend [urbandictionary.com] ?
That explains why no one here knows her, but eBay still talks about her all the time.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (1)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358762)

I wonder if Edmonton, Ca is an anomaly.

More likely that Craigslist didn't have as much of a head start as it did with other cities.

Kijiji started in Canada (including Edmonton) in March 2005. Craigslist added Edmonton in Jan 2005. It makes sense that in cities where Craigslist had little or no momentum, there would be much less "network effect", which would allow a competitor to do better.

If you have two players fighting over a new market, perception would drive users to the one that works better, or looks better. As both sites work pretty much the same, the site's look would have a larger factor in determining dominance. Comparing the two sites on look only, Craigslist "looks like ass" (according to a colleague I just asked.) compared to Kijiji, which looks more "professional" (same user), which would drive users towards Kijiji.

This offers a better explanation of why Kijiji did better in "smaller" markets - not because the markets themselves are small, but because the smaller the market the later Craigslist was at entering.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (3, Informative)

SoTerrified (660807) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358130)

Wonder if it's a Canada thing? I live in a Canadian city that has pretty similar stats to Edmonton. And likewise, Kijiji > Craigslist.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (1)

Dalzhim (1588707) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358514)

Maybe it is. I knew Kijiji before I knew about Craigslist. As a matter of fact, I've already used Kijiji a few times but I had to read /. to learn about Craigslist :P

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (1)

Zerimar (1124785) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358768)

I think Kijiji is more popular outside the US than inside in general.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358776)

Probably. Kijiji is a much sillier name than craigslist, so it's natural for the site to appeal more to Canadians.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (3, Funny)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359964)

Take off you hoser

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (1)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359458)

It's definitely way more popular here (sask). I'm not sure about the other provinces.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358098)

It should be fairly easy, find the home towns of each of the major investors to Ebay, there are your communities that come out better in Kijiji.

In Unemployed Markets, No One Dominates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358166)

Of course, your hometown of Lansing, Michigan has a small and anemic Craigslist, and the Kijiji site for Lansing is also very sparse. Michigan as a whole has very high unemployment. That means there are too few buyers, and the sellers don't bother posting.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (3, Interesting)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358122)

Here in Anchorage Alaska there is nothing up on Kijiji (14 sales). Same went for where I used to live, a small market (Skagit county Washington).

For all of South Dakota there are 29 things for sale on Kijiji and hundreds of sales on Craigslist for today alone.

So I'm not sold on Kijiji "ruling the roost" in small markets.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Informative)

voodoowizard (1557839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358256)

Wow, in my town of around 30,000 and the surrounding town where the sites actually point to(Total pop just over 100,000). There is nothing on kijiji. Craigslist dominates here for sure. When the site was launched I heard about it but soon forgot. Heck there is even an auction site based out of my town and I can't find anything on it, worse than kijiji here as far as users. Just my experiences, ya know, not scientific.

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358460)

Rules the roost? I live in northern New Jersey, where it's one small town (suburb) touching the next one. Each is relatively small at tens of thousands of residents, but overall this is a densely populated area. The NNJ CL site *jumps* with postings. Ebay's kjj version offers just two cities, Atlantic City and Newark, which is pathetic. Maybe CL has been active here for longer, or something, but whatever advantage it first got, that advantage has proved to be decisive. Better living thru Craigslist, that's my motto :)

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates (2, Informative)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358664)

So if we have more Craigslist than Kijiji we get to call ourselves a big city? Woot!

As of now the December 7th tallies in all of 'for sale' are roughly -

Craigslist - 2100

Kijiji - 4 (yes, four)

Population - Roughly 450,000 for the entire multi-county area

Re:In Smaller Markets, Kijiji Dominates(By Lying) (1)

lePooch (1553929) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358940)

Did anyone else realize that Craigslist separates by city whereas Kijiji separates by state for small markets? Im in a small/medium city(Lincoln, NE), and Kijiji has some listings, but barring one, they're all NOT in Lincoln. Maybe that might explain why the small markets on Kijiji look "busier" than on Craigslist - Kijiji aggregates results from a hundred miles or so around town.

Depends where you are (1)

schon (31600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357798)

Where I live, and what I buy/sell, Kijiji has *way* more users.

Compare:
http://edmonton.kijiji.ca/f-buy-and-sell-cameras-camcorders-W0QQCatIdZ103 [kijiji.ca]
http://edmonton.en.craigslist.ca/pho/ [craigslist.ca]

Re:Depends where you are (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358264)

I think Kijiji is more popular than Craigslist in Canada in general, while Craigslist tends to dominate U.S. markets. Not sure why.

Re:Depends where you are (1)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358312)

Rooms for rent in my area yields 1 in-town location on Kijiji. Posted October 7. It provides two other offerings (also from October) that are 80 and 140 miles away.
Craigslist has 5 in-town hits and 6 more within plausible commuting distance posted since yesterday.

Re:Kijiji? (1)

LaminatorX (410794) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358010)

It's the place to go for all your Zune, HD-DVD, and New Coke needs.

Re:Kijiji? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358182)

It's popular in Canada, or at least where I live (Winnipeg). No one uses Craigslist around here; they either use Kijiji or one of the locally-created sites.

Re:Kijiji? (1)

Xoltri (1052470) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358206)

Kijiji is picking up steam here in Edmonton, I know of lots of people that use it over Craigslist. Craigslist refuses to update their site, and as a result I am not surprised that they have been overtaken in some markets.

Re:Kijiji? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358788)

I am like everyone else. Didn't hear of it until now. Looked at the auto ads. Crappy site with a terrible name

Re:Kijiji? (1)

GodfatherofSoul (174979) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358826)

Maybe it's the stupid name they picked. That looks like a wheat field there are so many dots and stalks.

Governor? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357646)

Meg won't be governor, that bitch that drove HP into the ground has a better chance.

Re:Governor? (2, Informative)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358156)

Carly? Her business/government acumen were so bad that she not only ruined HP, but got booted from McCain's staff as an adviser.

Re:Governor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358620)

Carly? Her business/government acumen were so bad that she not only ruined HP, but got booted from McCain's staff as an adviser.

LOL.

That's like executing the maitre d' on the Titanic.

Re:Governor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358258)

Ass hole you are mixing her up with Carla Fiorina. Who's the bitch now? (Wow, I manage to use more derogatory terms than you)

watching rich people fight (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357668)

is like watching NASCAR: people with nothing better to do with their time or money than to go around in circles for hours over something only they care about, all the while taking money from poor people who are too dumb to not want to pay for vicarious participation.

Re:watching rich people fight (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357856)

is like watching NASCAR: people with nothing better to do with their time or money than to go around in circles for hours over something only they care about, all the while taking money from poor people who are too dumb to not want to pay for vicarious participation.

I understand it's way more trendy to rag on NASCAR, but how does your criticism not hold true for ALL sports?

Re:watching rich people fight (2, Funny)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357924)

In some sports they go in straight lines.

Re:watching rich people fight (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358084)

some sports involve actual skill and athleticism beyond the ability to not have to use the bathroom for four hours.

Re:watching rich people fight (3, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358172)

NASCAR would be cooler if half the cars went one direction, half in the opposite direction. Geeks would love it because it resembles the LHC. Oooh! Look at those particles!

Re:watching rich people fight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30359980)

NASCAR would be cooler if half the cars went one direction, half in the opposite direction. Geeks would love it because it resembles the LHC. Oooh! Look at those particles!

You laugh. But I used to play some NASCAR computer game just like that.

It was hilarious watching the pack scatter for the infield as my car approached at a 400+ MPH closing speed. Even in a computer game, the collisions were spectacular. Damn I wish I could remember what game that was.

:D

Re:watching rich people fight (2, Interesting)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358188)

Some sports are more obviously modern replacements for warfare, allowing us to indulge in human emotional conflict with little real consequence.

And unlike the older practice of watching actual battles, the spectators are much less likely to be killed as a result of watching :)

(except in NASCAR... maybe...)

Microsoft? (2, Funny)

KraftDinner (1273626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357712)

I always thought Kijiji was owned by Microsoft.

Apples and oranges (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357770)

eBay - Money hoarding greedy Jews making money hand over fist in every aspect of use and involvement PLUS advertising.

CraigsList - Free.

This should be thrown right out of court and the Jews sentenced to finally have a real holocaust happen. They never should have let the Jews anywhere near their project. History has shown time and again not only can a Jew never be trusted, and should be dead anyway, but they will only screw you over at the first opportunity they can and as hard as they can. By the time the majority pulls their tongues out of a Jew ass they been kissing and licking clean it will be too late and you will be filled up with too much Jew shit. Idiots.

Re:Apples and oranges (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357820)

You sir, have just redefined what a troll really is. Thank-you for the enlightenment; now please leave forever.

ebay is now just evil (4, Informative)

Dan667 (564390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357816)

Craigslist was not selling ownership and ebay bought it from a former Craigslist Employee through a suspicious deal. After how ebay has made numerous decisions at the expense of their users it is hard to believe that they would complain when someone tries to correct something they should not have done in the first place.

Re:ebay is now just evil (4, Informative)

Duhfus (960817) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357948)

More specifically, a former executive at Craigslist (suspected to be Philip Knowlton), who owned a significant chunk of Craigslist stock, decided to sell his share and shopped around. This was how ebay got ownership: http://www.craigslist.org/about/press/ebay.stake/ [craigslist.org]

Re:ebay is now just evil (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358200)

You are right. 28% share was sold by Mr. Knowlton. But why? He was disgruntled with the direction of where the other two founder's direction. Here read an article from Mercury News.

http://www.mercurynews.com/top-stories/ci_13944966

btw, The original 28% was diluted by CL to 25% in 2007. now, ebay has one a quarter of control.

Re:ebay is now just evil (2, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358290)

I might be missing something, but that doesn't sound particularly suspicious to me. Someone who owned a stake of Craigslist sold it; isn't that basically how stakes in companies work?

Re:ebay is now just evil (2, Informative)

Tubal-Cain (1289912) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358360)

IIRC, there are special exceptions for companies that are not publicly traded.

Seems like a small pond, but eBay is right (1)

maczealot (864883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357832)

Disclaimer:IANAL

I think I have to side with eBay on this one... as they bought a 25% stake in Craigslist for $25 million, how that doesn't mean they should get a say in how the company is run I couldn't fathom.

Re:Seems like a small pond, but eBay is right (3, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357904)

Antitrust concerns.

Re:Seems like a small pond, but eBay is right (1)

ducomputergeek (595742) | more than 4 years ago | (#30357952)

Depends on the type of shares they purchased. If they were preferred shares, you get first dibs on dividends, but no votes. If they were Common Shares, then eBay would have a say in the vote of board of directors, etc..

Re:Seems like a small pond, but eBay is right (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358232)

Not only that, but I'm not aware of any rules that say that a corporation cannot run a new public offering of more shares, just because it may dilute the existing shareholder percentages (though there may be rules that way, "if you offer an IPO of (x) shares of common stock, you must also supply (y) number of shares to group (G)", ala the NYT).

It may not be a good idea for the stock price to do such, but nonetheless.

Re:Seems like a small pond, but eBay is right (2, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358052)

If I was one of the owners of the other 75% of craigslist, I wouldn't be to happy with someone who has a vested interest in craigslist failing getting "a say in how the company is run". Nevertheless, as long as it is a minority stake, anything the eBay proxy advocates should be automatically voted against by the rest of the board anyway. The real issue here is whether you should be able to buy yourself a seat on your direct competitor's board in order to be privy to their trade secrets.

Dirty Pool (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357844)

This sounds like dirty pool all the way around.

1). Decided to Create competing site
2). Buy shares from a shareholder to gain a seat on the board
3). (possibly) use information gleaned from meetings of the board towards own good
4). (possibly) use seat on board to negatively influence decisions

As others have mentioned there is certainly a conflict of interest here and while Ebay has every right to own shares, sitting on the board is just unethical and its surprising that the other shareholders would stand for it....

Just one question (5, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358014)

WTF is a "Kijiji"?!? It looks like a name attempt at a logo by someone with an obsession with dotted letters.

"Ow, man! You kicked me right in the kijiji!"

"jiji" in Chinese (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358268)

In Chinese, JiJi is more or less slang along the lines of "willy" or other children's words for such body parts.

Re:"jiji" in Chinese (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359756)

So it's more like, "I got my kijiji caught in my zipper -- can you please kiss it and make it better?"

Re:Just one question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358352)

"Kijiji (pronounced key-jee-jee) is Swahili for village." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijiji

Re:Just one question (2, Insightful)

Zordak (123132) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359202)

"Kijiji (pronounced key-jee-jee) is Swahili for village." -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kijiji

And it's English for "Lame Craigslist Knock-Off With a Stupid Name"

Sweet Headline... (1)

Purist (716624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358136)

"In today's news, auction house and penny saver owners brawl...story at 11."

Too shy shy. hush hush.eye to eye (2, Funny)

maggotbrain_777 (450700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358354)

KijijiJooJoo back together again like it was 1983.

post office thieves (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358372)

Ebay should be warning its customers that items sent through customs are routinely stolen by the post office and never reach their intended recipient.

FUCK EBAY! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358708)

THATS ALL

and in other news (1)

KingPin27 (1290730) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359022)

.......Meg Whitman was seen out on the playground kicking Jim Buckmaster in the shins and shouting "nyah nyah nyah"!

Re: (1)

clint999 (1277046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30359896)

I think Kijiji is bigger in Canada, but I have no stats to back up my claim. Just speaking with friends and family. Even my non-technical family have heard of Kijiji and not Craigslist.
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