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CrunchPad Being Re-branded As JooJoo

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the long-way-from-$200 dept.

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adeelarshad82 writes to tell us that Fusion Garage seems to be ignoring the drama surrounding the "CrunchPad" and is planning to launch their "JooJoo" tablet this Friday at midnight. Unfortunately, the device will be a long way from the imagined $200 price point, weighing in at a hefty $499. "The JooJoo comes in black and has a capacitive touch screen, enough graphic power to deliver full high-definition video, offline capabilities, and a 4GB solid-state drive, though 'most of the storage is done in the cloud,' Rathakrishnan said. He promised 5 hours of battery life. In a demo during the webcast, the device powered on in about 10 seconds, and showed icons for web-based services like Twitter, Hulu, CNN, and Gmail, though the JooJoo will not come pre-loaded with any apps, Rathakrishnan said. Scroll through them with your finger as you would on the iPhone. In terms of the ownership drama, Rathakrishnan said that TechCrunch editor Arrington has created an 'incomplete and distorted story.'"

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There's a device that's going to annihilate it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30357998)

The HitlerHitler

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (4, Funny)

mlingojones (919531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358016)

The HitlerHitler

Really? Godwin's Law already? It's the FIRST POST.

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (1, Funny)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358044)

I think it can't be a godwin's point. since there was no debate whatsoever.

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (0, Offtopic)

NoYob (1630681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358076)

The HitlerHitler

No, see you got modded "Flamebait".

Here, let me give you some tips of where you could've gone with it:

  1. That's some serious joo-joo going on there!
  2. Well, I hope that company has got the Mojo for the joo joo!
  3. Joo-joo, isn't that a martial art?
  4. Does it come with Windows? No? Oh that's good Joo-joo!
  5. Is it FOSS? If not that's bad Joo-joo

See?

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358442)

None of those were funny.

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (1)

mcclure (617150) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358584)

AC First Post wasn't either. At least they were more creative.

Re:There's a device that's going to annihilate it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358702)

I thought it was funny... Man, you people take the Holocaust way too seriously. I mean, six million people died and you can't laugh at that?

Where I stopped reading... (5, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358018)

...though 'most of the storage is done in the cloud...

Re:Where I stopped reading... (0, Redundant)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358046)

I stopped at the new name...."JooJoo" I'm guessing this guy doesn't have much of an understanding at least of how naming should be done for the US. JooJoo sounds too...well, foofoo/gay.....

I mean Crunchpad, ok, I could buy something like that, but, something named 'joojoo' just isn't that interesting sounding. Hell, that is about as bad as that company "Wang" a couple of decades ago. Did they not have any idea of the connotations of "wang" in the US?

Re:Where I stopped reading... (1, Funny)

mellon (7048) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358074)

Yup, that name is bad juju.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358126)

JooJoo's fine. It certainly hasn't stopped the Wii. Heck, maybe it helped

Re:Where I stopped reading... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358134)

I stopped at the new name...."JooJoo" I'm guessing this guy doesn't have much of an understanding at least of how naming should be done for the US. JooJoo sounds too...well, foofoo/gay.....

No, it doesn't. It sounds like bad luck, or some kind of insult towards Jewish people. Both seem like a bad idea.

Hell, that is about as bad as that company "Wang" a couple of decades ago. Did they not have any idea of the connotations of "wang" in the US?

You know, Mr. Wang probably didn't think it was a bad idea to name his company after himself.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (4, Insightful)

Ukab the Great (87152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358602)

No, it doesn't. It sounds like bad luck, or some kind of insult towards Jewish people. Both seem like a bad idea.

In the Producers they named a musical "Springtime For Hitler" in a secret plot to piss people off and lose money. Perhaps that's part of their strategy to so devalue the Crunchpad that the Techcruch guys will drop their lawsuit.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (2, Funny)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358138)

JooJoo sounds too...well, foofoo/gay.....

Just think... they paid somebody a lot of money to come up with that name.

Hell, that is about as bad as that company "Wang" a couple of decades ago. Did they not have any idea of the connotations of "wang" in the US?

That didn’t stop the Nintendo Wii.

My laptop has a very stupid name... (1)

Tetsujin (103070) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358716)

I stopped at the new name...."JooJoo" I'm guessing this guy doesn't have much of an understanding at least of how naming should be done for the US.

My laptop is called a "Eee PC"... I think it's a damned stupid name, but I really like the machine...

Re:Where I stopped reading... (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358724)

I'm guessing this guy doesn't have much of an understanding at least of how naming should be done for the US.

If the product is worthwhile, the name doesn't matter. I'm thinking about products that have dumb names. I'm betting everyone could come up with their own list. Kindle and Nook come to mind, so does Skype, Ubuntu, Wii...

And it's been a while now since the US market was the one that decides on the names of products or was the cultural leader of Planet Earth. If you're taking it hard that the US is not the big boss of the world's marketplace, just wait a little while until the US is no longer the biggest economy. A lot of dicks are going to shrivel in this country.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (5, Insightful)

dreamer.redeemer (1600257) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358238)

Exactly what I thought... 'sure, they'll steal a whole product without a moment's hesitation, but I'm sure my data will be perfectly private and safe with them."

Re:Where I stopped reading... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358742)

Wait a minute. I'm a manager, and I've been reading a lot of case studies and watching a lot of webcasts about The Cloud. Based on all of this glorious marketing literature, I, as a manager, have absolutely no reason to doubt the safety of any data put in The Cloud.

The case studies all use words like "secure", "MD5", "RSS feeds" and "encryption" to describe the security of The Cloud. I don't know about you, but that sounds damn secure to me! Some Clouds even use SSL and HTTP. That's rock solid in my book.

And don't forget that you have to use Web Services to access The Cloud. Nothing is more secure than SOA and Web Services, with the exception of perhaps SaaS. But I think that Cloud Services 2.0 will combine the tiers into an MVC-compliant stack that uses SaaS to increase the security and partitioning of the data.

My main concern isn't with the security of The Cloud, but rather with getting my Indian team to learn all about it so we can deploy some first-generation The Cloud applications and Web Services to provide the ultimate platform upon which we can layer our business intelligence and reporting, because there are still a few verticals that we need to leverage before we can move to The Cloud 2.0.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (3, Insightful)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358344)

No doubt so the Elders of Zion (who live in the clouds) can read your data. ;-)

Re:Where I stopped reading... (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358524)

The Elders of the Internet would never allow it.

Re:Where I stopped reading... (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358504)

As long as "the cloud" can mean a server I control, that's fine.

Of course, for $500, I could get a pretty kick-ass laptop, or a matching pair of netbooks, or a Kindle/Nook and a netbook.

Still, it's probably a nifty neato early adopters toy.

As much as I hate Apple (2, Insightful)

alanbcohen (1695242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358668)

After Apple abandoned me and tens of thousands of other Apple ][ and ][+ owners almost thirty years ago, I have no love for those crooks. But I could get an Ipod Touch with twice as much memory at half the price and several times the battery life. At the $250 price level, the larger screen would have been worth it; at $500, no way.

Retarded Name (2, Insightful)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358024)

The technology would have to be extra special to make up for the price point and name. JooJoo? What were they thinking?

Re:Retarded Name (5, Funny)

KnownIssues (1612961) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358088)

It was better than the other name they threw around in brainstorming sessions--the NigNig.

JOOJOO DIDDID WTCWTC (0, Flamebait)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358094)

They were thinking about a motorized stuffed hamster [zhuzhupets.com] .

Re:Retarded Name (2, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358146)

That’s basically the same thing I said about the Nintendo Wii.

Re:Retarded Name (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358262)

Yeah except the Wii cost 60% as much as its competitors and was generally better designed.

Re:Retarded Name (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358348)

In other words, the Wii made up for its retarded name.

Does this?

It remains to be seen.

Re:Retarded Name (3, Funny)

qortra (591818) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358198)

The technology would have to be extra special

It is special - didn't you notice, there's no keyboard!

I once took the steering wheel off my car and tried to sell it for twice the price. Nobody bought it, but I think that's just because I screwed over a blogger right before I put it up for sale.

Re:Retarded Name (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358356)

Your problem was not putting a little LCD display in the rear view mirror that showed grayscale pr0n. Believe me, if you had done that, you could have named your price!

JooJoo is the Cantonese pronounciation of... (1)

ub3r n3u7r4l1st (1388939) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358466)

A penis.

Re:JooJoo is the Cantonese pronounciation of... (5, Funny)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358718)

Yahoo! Answers agrees with you. Maybe it's not so bad after all. Announcing the Penis Pad (formerly Crunch Pad)! It's touch sensitive!

Re:Retarded Name (1)

Katatsumuri (1137173) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358470)

They were probably thinking,

"I am the eggman,
They are the eggmen,
I am the walrus!
Goo-goo-goojoob!"

At least I hope so.

Re:Retarded Name (4, Funny)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358472)

jar jar was taken

JooJoo? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358038)

If we're going to go with silly names, then I think they should've chosen the MoJo. That way you can "get your MoJo" or "get your MoJo working" with relative ease. It's got way more marketing potential than JooJoo.

Re:JooJoo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358318)

At least it wasn't the JarJar. *shudders*

Re:JooJoo? (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358416)

He could be their campaign spokes...umm...thing.

"Meesa Likesa JooJoo!"

Maybe they'll win over the zero-to-5 age group. We all know THEY have $500 burning a hole in their pockets. Though their parents might, after the "Baby Einstein" refund.

Re:JooJoo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358326)

JuJu [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:JooJoo? (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358368)

Or MojoJojo?

Price (5, Interesting)

teslafreak (684543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358050)

At $200 I would be all over this (even though it sounds like it was bred from a bit of dirty business dealing). For $499, I would rather buy a laptop and have the keyboard.

Re:Price (1, Flamebait)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358164)

No shit. At $500, where exactly is the incentive? It's like electric cars. For a heap load of money, get a car with a quarter the performance and range of a car that costs half the price!!!

Re:Price (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358190)

Some of us can afford that kind of money on toys and gadgets. If early adopters like us don't buy these things, people moaning about price will never get them once new tech hits and economies of scale hit. You'd think someone that reads an apple fanboy site like this would already know that.

Re:Price (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358278)

It's partly the price, partly the lack of utility. Even at $200, I'd be hardpressed to pay that kind of money for this, as opposed to a much more functional netbook/sub-notebook. Coupled with a rather bizarre and shady advertising campaign, I'll let the early adopters (read: suckers) buy this beast.

Re:Price (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358592)

  How was this post flamebait? The point was relevant, though opinionated.

Re:Price (5, Insightful)

rho (6063) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358402)

Unless Apple makes one, then a lot of folks will think $500 is just right.

Re:Price (2, Interesting)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358522)

I doubt Apple would release something with a measly 4GB storage (the smallest "current" touch is 8GB at $199) and a pitiful 5 hour battery life for a device of that size.

A 64GB touch is $399. Having one scaled up to that size with some beefed up specs would make $500 a reasonable price point.

Re:Price (1)

BasilBrush (643681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358562)

If Apple makes one it'll do more than web browsing. It'll do at least as much as the iPod Touch. Amongst other things that means innumerable applications a couple of clicks away in an app store.

How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (1)

commodore64_love (1445365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358064)

I glanced at the article but didn't spot it. 2? 3? 4? Also is there really any benefit to having more than 2 cores inside a machine?

Re:How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358234)

Anyone's ready with the old 640 kB joke? 1... 2... 3...

Re:How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (1)

amicusNYCL (1538833) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358300)

It's an Atom, so it's probably a single core. The dual-core Atoms look to be targetted at desktops.

Re:How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358494)

Yes, there's a benefit to more than 2 cores. Why would you suggest there's not? I ran a video encode yesterday that happily used 100% of all four cores, and encoded at faster-than-realtime. It would have taken twice as long with only two cores. It would have taken half as long with 8, assuming it can take advantage of that many. If not, then I could have used the computer with no performance hit while it was going. Still a win.

Re:How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358590)

It's not really a win for a device like this, though. You want enough CPU to handle playback of some video, but not enough that is kills the battery in less than an hour or two. A tablet like this really needs to have 4+ hours of battery life to be taken seriously, so forget the more powerful mobile chips.

Re:How many CPUs (cores) does this thing have? (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358660)

Of course. But OP was downplaying the utility of multiple cores in general. Someone had to set it straight.

Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (4, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358070)

I don't see the pure tablet play working, not from JooJoo, not even from apple - it's always going to be a niche, and a small one.

The one way I can perhaps see it working is if you either build in a collapsible keyboard, or let them work with bluetooth keyboards and have some way to attach it making a kind of temporary laptop. There are just too many uses of a computer where the ability to type for long periods is needed, to get away without a real keyboard in a larger form factor. There are already netbooks with touch screens and that just seems way more practical.

JooJoo has issues outside the name though, the price point does not seem great for what it does.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

jours (663228) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358202)

The one way I can perhaps see it working is if you either build in a collapsible keyboard, or let them work with bluetooth keyboards

Or perhaps if they have solid working voice recognition, I'm still holding out for the small form factor device that does that properly. Until then iPhones, Blackberries, Palms and such are all second devices to the computer. But if one could dictate e-mails and such into it, then a 12" tablet might start to replace PCs and netbooks...

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

qcontinuum (1322265) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358448)

It looks like there's at least one usb port on it, so you might be able to plug in an average usb keyboard to work with it.

I hate dictation though. A dictation-only or even primarily-dictation-oriented interface makes it incredibly hard to do any sort of work in a public place, and in private you just sound stupid and/or crazy talking to yourself.

Given what I've seen Ubuntu do with a normal tablet PC, I'd almost rather buy just the hardware itself and screw whatever operating system they have pre-installed.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358626)

A voice-recognition interface is great at the beginning, until it mishears you during a conversation, causing it to DELETE an important FILE

Apologies to Scott Adams

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358216)

I agree 100%.

The TC1000/1100 from HP totally did it right:

TC1100 with keyboard behind tablet [rgbizot.com]
TC1100 with keyboard under tablet [jksalesinc.com]

It was such a great configuration. And to add bonus points, the keyboard was completely detachable!

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (2, Interesting)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358224)

Yeah, but e-book readers are apparently the hot item for the Holidays this year. If you can sell a device with a slow-refreshing screen that only does 16 levels of grayscale and supports no applications except a document viewer and (maybe) a stripped-down Web browser for $260, why wouldn't people be willing to buy a more fully-featured device for a similar price? I've been in the market for some kind of tablet as a secondary computing device for a long time, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

Note I said "similar price," though. At $500 this thing is definitely too expensive to succeed. Spending more than a few hundred dollars on a device that will never be more than a satellite client seems more than a little prodigal -- but something like a Nokia n810 with an 8" screen would be welcome if the price was right.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (2, Informative)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358270)

"If you can sell a device with a slow-refreshing screen that only does 16 levels of grayscale and supports no applications except a document viewer and (maybe) a stripped-down Web browser for $260"

You forgot about the fact that the slow-refreshing screen uses basically no static power. The end result is that such devices have INCREDIBLE battery life.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (4, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358458)

You forgot about the fact that the slow-refreshing screen uses basically no static power. The end result is that such devices have INCREDIBLE battery life.

Over and over I hear how important this is. Why is it important?

Just how many two-week-long vacations on desert islands do you take in a year? Otherwise, how hard is it to plug in your e-book reader overnight? Surely a lot of people read books in bed and would have no trouble putting their reader into a cradle before rolling over and going to sleep?

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

richardellisjr (584919) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358558)

I don't take vacations like that, but I do travel a lot and a 15 to 20 hour trip (where power isn't available) each way will kill most devices. I'm personally waiting for the battery life on a netbook to reach 15 to 20 hours before I buy. I'm hoping some of the up coming arm based ones will fit the bill.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (4, Insightful)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358560)

It's not as important as resolution. If you've seen one of these in person, you know that e-ink has print-like density. It's sharp and clear. It's the "no eye fatigue" that makes the screen worth paying for. Low battery usage is just icing.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358736)

You've never used one so I understand that it's difficult for you to comprehend.

First off I don't HAVE to remember to charge it. This is a biggie. I may not use my Kindle every day. In fact it may sit for a week, or more, between uses. When I do want to read I don't want to find that it's battery is dead.

Second, yes you can charge and read at the same time but it is inconvenient to be tethered to the wall with a cord while your reading.

Third, the incredible battery life virtually assures me that I'll be able to read a book all the way to the end without the battery crapping out. Ever tried to read an entire novel in two to four hours? That's what you'd have to do with a netbook / laptop if you were somewhere you couldn't plug in...like when you're travelling on a car, plane, bus, train, or by horseback.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

theJML (911853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358754)

You also forgot that the slow-refreshing screen is incapable of doing full screen video for any period of time, let alone keep their battery life while doing it.

A e-book reader is a different thing entirely than a tablet PC.

But I still think this is a bit too much for what it does. If they could make it the thickness of a iPhone 3G, with full HD resolution, a touch screen interface, and still have 6 hours of battery life (While using those things with WiFi and 3D to boot), then it'll be a contender. Until then, there are laptops that have most of that and a full keyboard/port array/expandability/etc...

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (3, Insightful)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358286)

Yeah, but e-book readers are apparently the hot item for the Holidays this year. If you can sell a device with a slow-refreshing screen that only does 16 levels of grayscale and supports no applications except a document viewer and (maybe) a stripped-down Web browser for $260, why wouldn't people be willing to buy a more fully-featured device for a similar price?

Unless said "more fully-featured device" has an eink display, I think the answer to that is obvious.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358420)

Just like Digital Picture Frames last year. You could buy a 7-9 inch portable DVD player with remote for less than $100, or you could buy a 5 inch picture frame for the same price

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

Julie188 (991243) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358364)

I agree. Hard to see the average person buying a tablet for $500, when you can add a digital pen/tablet input device, like from Wacom, for about $99. I guess there is the lug-it-around factor ... if you need to do a lot of drawing out in the field. But that's a niche. I'm a keyboard kind-a-girl myself. -- Julie

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

bill_kress (99356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358384)

You can't see a pure tablet working? Check out the iPod touch...

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358398)

It's terribly useful in those niches, however, *if its done correctly*.

My interest in the niche is the art/drawing tablet + laptop aspect. Basically a Wacom tablet slapped on top of a CPU.

This product already exists, of course, though the implementation quality varies widely.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358474)

No one would have thought that laptops would overtake the desktop market, but here we are. The reason for this is not just smaller size, but often dramatically reduced costs over desktops. Sure you can't upgrade, but the laptop can be a very inexpensive machine.

This is what i think will happen to the tablet. We are talking about a solid state machine, no movable parts. This increases reliability, and decreases costs. As long as the machine can do what people want, there would be no reason to pay more.

I am looking at a time in the not too distance future when tablets are $200. Not running Mac OS, because Apple is going to build a pretty tablet, and not running MS Windows, because the license to windows will be too costly, but custom *nix varients, or even android. Of course at some point MS will move in and subsidize to gain market share, but unless MS Windoes runs on non x86 kit, this might even be a challenge.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

mysidia (191772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358530)

The price-point seems like highway robbery for what it does.

Pure greed, as further evidenced by ownership drama mentioned in article.

I have no doubt someone started seeing dollar signs, got drunk with greed and started making some really crappy decisions.

Re:Tablet market seems like the ultimate niche (1)

brillow (917507) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358686)

When the iPhone came out, it cost $500. It was a fraction the size and had a fraction of the (computational) capability. People went NUTS over it. They should have apps though, if the iPhone taught us anything, its that "web apps" are not enough. I am sure though that if this device ends up sticking around it will have apps. I'm also pretty sure that someone will have it running windows 7 or ubuntu or android within two weeks of it coming out.

Price point???? ARRRGHGGGH!!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358082)

People who use the phrase "price point" instead of "price" need to be shot in the head.

Re:Price point???? ARRRGHGGGH!!! (4, Informative)

nacturation (646836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358342)

People who use the phrase "price point" instead of "price" need to be shot in the head.

Shoot this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_point [wikipedia.org]

Re:Price point???? ARRRGHGGGH!!! (2, Funny)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358366)

Yes, buzzwords are always a lose-lose proposition. Time for a paradigm shift!

Re:Price point???? ARRRGHGGGH!!! (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358508)

There's a correct usage. When a specific price is a goal. Now if they're above their goal then they have no need to use the word price point.

Conspiracy! (4, Interesting)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358116)

The entire marketing drama behind all this was all a ploy. Call me crazy, but think about it: Market a new device that does some amazing stuff at a ridiculously low price. So low that you could never make a profit. Wait til all the news sites pick it up. Then stage a coup. During that coup have a takeover, and re-release the device at a sensible price under a different name. Free marketing.

Brb gotta go make a tin foil hat now.

Re:Conspiracy! (1)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358308)

Yeah except netbooks have a comparable price point and all the same features, without an aura of bad blood hanging over them.

Also if you were going to do that you should use the stupid name first, not second.

Re:Conspiracy! (1)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358614)

Yeah except you can't really predict how the public will react to marketing ploys.

Seriously, pwnies may have a good point, and this could very well have been a staged marketing ploy. Get the name out there with a ridiculously low price, make geeks aware that a really cool tablet is coming out. Then take advantage of the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" and "JooJoo" is all over the newsblurbs as the thing that "was supposed to be" revolutionary. Then wait for a few lazy editors to drop the "was supposed to be" to "was thought", then it just becomes "was", and suddenly it's the next new cool thing.

Tablets probably ain't gonna make it, except maybe from a company like Apple who, for good or bad, is really good at marketing well-built, well-designed shiny things to people who want to spend their money on well-built, well-designed shiny things. The tablet market is not one for the "function over form" crowd because most of us have no true use for an LCD-based tablet. We either need a keyboard, or we need it to be more durable than we can handle for weight or form factor, or whatever.

Bookreaders work because they use eInk, and are specifically designed for a niche - reading books. Other form factors of computer work because they are designed for their niche. Day-in-day-out, what is the niche for tablets (a portable, keyboard-less computer)? You see them all the time in science fiction, but would you have a daily use for one that would make it worth the battery life, weight, fragility, and cost issues?

Re:Conspiracy! (1)

apoc.famine (621563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358748)

Yeah except you can't really predict how the public will react to marketing ploys.

But you don't have to! Run your marketing ploy. There are two outcomes: It works, and you make truck loads of money. It doesn't, so you declare bankruptcy, dissolve your company, and then found a new one with the money you got from dumping your stock options part-way through the ploy.
 
Other than that, I agree completely.

the thieves of concept will be selling a JooJoo. (1)

swschrad (312009) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358260)

I'm not going to touch this with a ten foot pole... and not touching the device, either.

Price alone shows "crunchpad" was vapor idea... (4, Insightful)

nweaver (113078) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358276)

The CrunchPad model only made sense at the low price: something inexpensive and universal.

But the low price never made sense. Apple doesn't make much money on the iPod touch, and they have all the huge economies of scale, and its still costs $200 for the 8 GB model. Add in a MUCH larger screen and bigger battery and of course the price will balloon.

Re:Price alone shows "crunchpad" was vapor idea... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358390)

The material cost on that $200 iPod Touch is around $100.

Re:Price alone shows "crunchpad" was vapor idea... (1)

Ma8thew (861741) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358636)

[citation needed] and if that's so then it's only because Apple are making millions of them.

Re:Price alone shows "crunchpad" was vapor idea... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358682)

A large part of Apple's costs came from miniaturizing the technology. By making it larger, CrunchPad could use more parts not specifically developed for them.

Boycott? (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358310)

Assuming Arrington really has a legitimate stake in the thing, I suggest we boycott it until Rathakrishnan cries uncle. If he has no market for it, then his 'theft' gains him nothing.

Re:Boycott? (4, Insightful)

Darinbob (1142669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358476)

Big assumption. We basically have two no-names calling each other doodie-heads. Who knows who is right or wrong? If contracts were signed, then let them battle it out in court. Blog posts and PR releases have no legal weight.

Re:Boycott? (1)

SaDan (81097) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358556)

Exactly. Arrington is kind of an ass, and Rathakrishnan is no one from what I can tell. Add in the 2.5x increase in price, and this thing is going to flop. I'd rather have the Kindle DX (about the same price) or the Nook (half the price), because they'll actually do what I want in a tablet.

JooJoo! (1)

TheModelEskimo (968202) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358316)

Oy vey

Joojoo is Finnish.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358374)

About localization: In some contexts "Joojoo" can be translated from Finnish as "yeah, right..".

A coincidence?

Re:Joojoo is Finnish.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358430)

and joojoo sounds like yoyo, which is a device which goes up and down frequently, something which is also often used in computer terms to describe an unstable system.

  Coincidence?

At least it's not... (1)

thelonious (233200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358380)

Jarjar. Meesa wanna reada book!

Would have bought a Crunchpad, not buying this... (1)

Mage66 (732291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358394)

A Crunchpad at $299 would have been a no-brainer. A JuJu at $499 is too expensive. I'll wait for Nohrtec to come out with the Touchpad version of the Gecko laptop instead. It seems that the people behind the Juju missed the point of the Crunchpad. It was supposed to be COST REDUCED because it had no internal storage, and used the cloud for all the apps. Not, a premium cost product. Maybe Arrington will get with Nohrtec and get something like that produced.

Re:Would have bought a Crunchpad, not buying this. (1)

Mage66 (732291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358414)

Meant to spell JooJoo instead of JuJu. A Freudian slip perhaps?

Bad Juju (2, Funny)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358436)

I feel bad things for this company's future. Bad Juju, bad Mojo.

Thank goodness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358496)

...they'd never have been taken seriously with a name like CrunchPad.

This small niche is critical for some (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358586)

I and others who develop software for people with disabilities have been looking forward to this device ever since it was announced. We need very inexpensive tools that don't require computer skills (yes, I mean any computer skills in the conventional sense). Video, text-to-speech, and animated "touch here if you want X" functionality can open up a lot of doors for some people. Yes this can be done now with an uber-cheap Linux box and a small touch screen, but many social services are, for good reason, provided in the community, on the go, wherever the person in need happens to be. This thing is a joke at $500. The only people (other than novelty buyers) who would prefer it to a netbook at that price are people who, due to a disability, can't use a netbook, and those people don't fit into business models, and they are ignored.

Cautious (2, Interesting)

SEWilco (27983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30358606)

I do like the Fusion Garage explanation of the situation. I look forward to Arrington's response.

It's a TRAP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30358722)

The "Cloud" is a Losers Game, stay away.

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