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Mozilla Thunderbird 3 Released

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the hot-bits dept.

Mozilla 272

supersloshy writes Today Mozilla released Thunderbird 3. Many new features are available, including Tabs and enhanced search features, a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep, Firefox 3's improved Add-ons Manager, Personas support, and many other improvements. Download here."

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Tabs (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371584)

a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep

Well that was cleverly written :)

But tabbed email sounds interesting. It makes text editors, web browsers and many other apps so much better and makes so much sense for email application that I'm thinking why didn't Thunderbird have it before.

One thing I would surely like to see in email clients however - the gmail like threaded conversation view. It's just so much better and nicer to use, but still many email applications tend to have the plain-list-of-messages view.

Re:Tabs (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371654)

Yea, I would think that messages you don't want to delete are, by definition, messages that you want to keep.

Re:Tabs (4, Informative)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371682)

It's had that for ages
To view emails as conversation threads, go to View, Sort By, and choose Threaded, (Unthreaded to stop showing threads.)

Re:Tabs (4, Informative)

robmv (855035) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371784)

yes, the only problem is that your replies do not show that way (unless it is a mailing list where you receive a copy of your own message). If there is some way to merge the Sent Folder with the threaded view using a search or some kind of virtual folder, please help us

Re:Tabs (2, Informative)

krobe (944780) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372046)

But you can set where sent items are kept, such as in the inbox, by going to tools > account settings > copies and folders

Re:Tabs (1)

chgros (690878) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372424)

To solve the problem, I always BCC myself. Since my address goes to several destinations it's especially useful.

Conversation view != threads (5, Informative)

Mountaineer1024 (1024367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371852)

Every single time I see this discussion, someone pipes up to say "but thunderbird DOES do threads!".
That it does. And that has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand.
Conversation view as provided by gmail gives you a single page for each entire conversation AND it inserts your replies online as appropriate.
There's several other features that make conversation view work so well, but you'll have to actually try gmail to understand what we are talking about.

Re:Conversation view != threads (1)

mishehu (712452) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372038)

I suppose you could change your default sent mail folder to be the same as your inbox. Then in theory, at least, your replies would appear as part of the threads.

Re:Conversation view != threads (2, Interesting)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372276)

All that does is make your inbox a mess.

This thread reminds me of the instant-message type SMS text view on Palm Treo phones. No other phone that I have found does it the same way.

I've been using Thunderbird 3 pre-release for quite a while now and even 3.0 doesn't do it quite right. But, it is what it is. It beats the pants off Thunderbird 2. Now if only enigmail worked on Windows as well as it does in Linux....

Re:Conversation view != threads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372472)

Now if only enigmail worked on Windows as well as it does in Linux....

What problems are you having with Enigmail on Windows? I've been using it for years without difficulty. It encrypts and decrypts email and attachments, it manages your keyring, it saves your password for a configurable length of time...not much more to want. Well search I suppose, but that's impossible without compromising security.

You should be using it with the GnuPG binary from gnupg.org. Even gave it a shot with Thunderbird 3 RC1 recently and it was fine.

Re:Conversation view != threads (1)

mrand (147739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372590)

Does ANY client do gmail like conversation views? Zimbra didn't have it as of mid 2009. Does Horde have it? Anything?!

Re:Conversation view != threads (1)

Mountaineer1024 (1024367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372756)

The only other MUA (besides gmail) I have discovered that does it correctly is sup http://sup.rubyforge.org/ [rubyforge.org]
It's command line (which isn't a complete deal breaker for me, failure to render html or show inline images aside) but it stores all it's meta data (read, deleted etc) in it's own internal databases which are not reflected on your IMAP server (which IS a deal breaker for me).

I've been tempted to start hacking on the source, and if it was written in a language I knew I'd have already done it.

Re:Tabs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371918)

Claws Mail has thread support as well, although that's not the same thing as gmail conversation view...
The Win client is awful but the linux client is pretty slick. Minimalist client as far as user interface but still quite configurable - plus regex filtering and such.

http://www.claws-mail.org/

Re:Tabs (1)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371686)

Perhaps it should have read you don't want to delete but still want to delete

That would have made more sense.

Re:Tabs (0, Redundant)

ddegirmenci (1644853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372044)

How about you don't want to delete but still want to get rid of?

Re:Tabs (3, Interesting)

mirix (1649853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372128)

Stuff you don't want to have handy, but don't want to get rid of either was my interpretation. Like taking ancient files and putting them in a box in the basement, instead of taking up prime real estate in the filing cabinet. right?

Re:Tabs (1)

digitalunity (19107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372292)

In the spirit of slashdot, we present a car analogy.

This is like taking things out of the glove box and putting them in the trunk because you don't want to throw them away yet.

Re:Tabs (1)

SoCalChris (573049) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371704)

One thing I would surely like to see in email clients however - the gmail like threaded conversation view. It's just so much better and nicer to use, but still many email applications tend to have the plain-list-of-messages view.

I've been using Thunderbird 3 beta for a while, so I'm not sure if this feature is new to Thunderbird 3 or not (I suspect that it was in 2, not sure though), but you can read your email in a threaded view. In Thunderbird 3, on the column headers, there is a Thread View column to the very left. It is next to the Starred column. Click on that to view your emails in threaded view.

Re:Tabs (1)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371890)

Threaded view was available in 2.x, at least for Usenet. I suspect it was there for email as well.

Re:Tabs (4, Informative)

Goaway (82658) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371992)

Threaded view is not conversation view.

Re:Tabs (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372014)

He was pretty careful to say "gmail like threaded conversation view", which is not there in 2.x.

Re:Tabs (3, Interesting)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372158)

Outlook 2010 has something pretty close to that, including reading in from multiple folders. It's not perfect, but it's miles ahead of what previous versions of Outlook and just about every other standalone client have (at least in Windows).

Re:Tabs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372298)

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Filter error: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:Tabs (5, Funny)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371926)

a message archive for emails you don't want to delete but still want to keep

What about for messages I don't want to keep but still want to delete? Does it handle those?

Re:Tabs (1)

realityimpaired (1668397) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372628)

I suppose so... but beware: it also adds every folder you have to the search index. Not a bad idea, except that it also adds the junk folder, in which I've been keeping an archive in order to train/retrain SpamAssassin... any idea how long it takes for the frigging index to scan through 50,000+ spam messages over IMAP?

How to downgrade from FF 3.5 to FF3.0 ? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372096)

Is there a way to downgrade from FF 3.5 to FF 3.0 ?

My computer was happy with FF 3.0, and then I screwed up.

A window telling me there is a new version of FF, and I thought a new version of FF 3.0, so I clicked the upgrade button.

Lo and behold the thing upgraded the FF to version 3.5, and now my computer isn't happy.

Is there a way to downgrade FF from 3.5 back to 3.0, without having to uninstall FF and re-install it?

Please help !!

Re:How to downgrade from FF 3.5 to FF3.0 ? (0, Offtopic)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372202)

No, there isn't, not without manually moving everything back.

In addition, Mozilla will likely cease support for the 3.0 branch in the very near future, which includes fixing security vulnerabilities.

Re:Tabs (0, Offtopic)

caseih (160668) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372360)

Gmail's conversation view would be better if it actually was threaded. As it is it is just a flat he said you said view (like an IM log). This doesn't work well at all for mailing lists, or for any conversation involving more than 2 people.

Re:Tabs (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372702)

Seems threaded to me. Any of my mailing list e-mail is threaded by subject. Very useful. How else is it supposed to thread? It breaks down if the subject changes, but even in a group e-mail, the listing in my inbox is still one continuous thread. Having them all in chronological order (flat as you say) makes good sense to me. Actually g-mail has such a great interface (especially for a web application), that even using thunderbird 2 (which I used to love, along with eudora back in the day) seems like going back to a typewriter after using a word processor. I mean you can imap gmail and have the best of both worlds. they at least used to have pop3 too for those cloud haters. (i don't know if they still do pop3)

Gmail kind of reinvented e-mail how I interact with e-mail. I know that people have different opinions about such things though. I just don't understand what you mean by it not being threaded since that was the feature to completely sold me from the start. What a huge time saver. No more hunting through e-mails for some part of a conversation you missed since it is now all on one page.

Re:Tabs (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372624)

Oddly enough, just as with tabbed web browsing, this is something Opera did before Mozilla...

This is great (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371606)

Too bad I switched to Postbox.

Re:This is great (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371756)

Too bad you have to pay for that.

Sometimes there are ... (2, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371636)

... slashdot story summaries i don't want to delete but still want to keep

Re:Sometimes there are ... (1)

Facegarden (967477) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371802)

... slashdot story summaries i don't want to delete but still want to keep

Haha, yeah, I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure thunderbird has *always* had a solution for keeping things you don't want to delete!
-Taylor

Re:Sometimes there are ... (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372018)

Haha, I had an idiocracy monent there

I hope they fixed searc in Win7... (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371700)

I know it had a feature to integrate itself with search in Windows 7, but it was pretty broken in the beta. I hope it's fixed now.

I blame the cold weather (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371702)

because hell just froze over. First we get Chrome for Linux, then Thunderbird 3. What next, Duke Nukem Forever?

Re:I blame the cold weather (5, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371892)

Side note: does anyone else think it's suspicious that both Chrome for Linux and Thunderbird 3 just happen to have been released on the same day that Wired started taking submissions for their vaporware of the year article?

Re:I blame the cold weather (1)

chaffed (672859) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372002)

Rest assured we are still waiting for Black Mesa [blackmesasource.com] . The vaporware list will be long and healthy this year.

Re:I blame the cold weather (3, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372120)

It's kind of hard to call something "vaporware" when it's open source and you can download betas. Even if the project died right there, it wouldn't be vapor.

Re:I blame the cold weather (0, Redundant)

shewfig (1051592) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372290)

> What next, Duke Nukem Forever?

What, no one told you that "Forever" is how long we have to wait for it?

Re:I blame the cold weather (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372450)

youre forgetting addons for chrome

Re:I blame the cold weather (1)

AmberBlackCat (829689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372642)

I think that's going to be in development a while, but for now you can play their smaller game, Duke Nukem For A Long Time.

A big step up from TB 2 for linux (5, Informative)

rmcd (53236) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371746)

I've been using Thunderbird 3 in beta for the last few months on an ubuntu system. TB 3 doesn't look dramatically different than TB 2, but the performance difference is *enormous*. TB 2 would crash frequently, it would periodically use all resources while it did heaven knows what, and Gmail IMAP was a disaster.

TB 3 is responsive, hardly ever crashes (perhaps twice in 3 months), search is *way* improved, and it finally feels like first-rate software. My hat is off to the Thunderbird team.

Low standards (0, Flamebait)

DogDude (805747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371798)

"hardly ever crashes (perhaps twice in 3 months), search is *way* improved, and it finally feels like first-rate software."

You've got some low standards. I don't use software that crashes. If I do, it's only because nothing else is available to do what I need to do, but I certainly wouldn't call it "first-rate software".

Re:Low standards (3, Insightful)

cant_get_a_good_nick (172131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371928)

"hardly ever crashes (perhaps twice in 3 months), search is *way* improved, and it finally feels like first-rate software.".

The specific releases he is mentioning are beta. Standards for 'numbers of times crashing' are different. I am guessing, but the 'first rate software' quote may also be speaking of look and feel. Thunderbird was good, but lacked polish. I have not tried any of the 3 series, but I will now that it's golden

Re:Low standards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372194)

I've been running it for about 3 months and leave it running all the time. It's never crashed on me. I've seen it do strange things a few times a while ago, but the newest RC builds are fine.

Re:Low standards (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371978)

You do realize it was in beta for 99% of the time he was using it, right? A beta app crashing twice is really not bad. If it continues to crash now that it is actually released, then that is a problem. Out of curiosity, what mail client do you use?

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

street struttin' (1249972) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371866)

Too little too late. I switched to mail.app on my mac last week because i was sick of thunderbird having no meaningful updates in years. I checked the new features list for TB3 and none of it was compelling enough to make me stay.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

jeffstar (134407) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371878)

TB2 never crashed on me. not once. I've got 10 account, gigs of mail, calender extension being populated from web services and lots of rules.

What were you doing to make it crash all the time!

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

rmcd (53236) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372358)

You running on Ubuntu? It was fine for me under XP, but the linux version was terrible. That's why I emphasized Linux in my subject.

If you are running Linux, I'm impressed :-)

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

penguinchris (1020961) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372492)

I've been running TB 2 for linux for years with no crashing, resource hog problems, etc. as you say you had... there must have been something strange with your setup. In fact, I'm at 108 days of uptime on this computer - a Thinkpad running opensuse - and Thunderbird has been open, sitting on desktop 2, for that entire time (that is, until I just upgraded to TB 3) with no problem, and like the other guy, I've got 6 accounts running with huge amounts of mail in each.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

Anonymous Struct (660658) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372910)

I'll second that TB2 has some problems, actually. I've used it for about three years now with an Exchange and gmail account, both IMAP, and Lightning for calendaring. By and large it does just fine, but every once in a while it just chokes and becomes unresponsive. It doesn't always recover very gracefully from connection problems, either. I really do like Thunderbird, and I haven't given much thought to using anything else, but even I wouldn't say it's problem-free. If the new release cleans up some of the rough edges for performance and stability, then I'll gladly take it.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (2, Interesting)

ddegirmenci (1644853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372106)

Not only for linux. I am using Windows XP, and definitely agreed about the Gmail IMAP side, it's so much better now. It finally gives a real reason not to use the url ever again on my PC. I have yet to check the other things though, and it still doesn't do too good on newsgroups refreshing (in terms of speed) as far as I've seen.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

DynamiteNeon (623949) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372240)

GMail IMAP still has problems though. I've been tracking it since the betas, and they haven't fixed the issues with checking folders for new mail. So, if you subscribe to the "All Mail" folder, you get a notification in your inbox and "All Mail." It basically ignores the checkbox right now for "check this folder for new mail" in the properties.

You could always unsubscribe to "all mail" but that kind of defeats the purpose of the new search and archive features.

I still like it overall, but the multiple notifications are a little annoying. I'm hoping they resolve them soon.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372250)

It is definitely much better than TB2 on Windows and OSX too. Strangely, I still kind of prefer Postbox [postbox-inc.com] to Thunderbird even though it doesn't really add any features that I use, and I don't find it to be worth the purchase price. I guess it's a look and feel thing.

is a big step up UI-wise, too? (0)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372370)

...because the UI for Thunderbird is THE. WORST.

For example, want to copy the people who have been cc'd on a message so you can paste it into a new one? BZZZZT. Can't do it.

Only in the open source world would it be normal to have to do about 3-4 steps to add "cc" or "bcc" to an email, instead of one tab or click.

Re:A big step up from TB 2 for linux (1)

iris-n (1276146) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372738)

That's good. But have they fixed the bug where TB would mysteriously swallow your address book? Last time I checked, the bug was already 3 years old, and no sign of the developers.

I mean. Is there a feature more important than not losing data?

Serious problems on Fedora Core 12? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371810)

I just installed it on Fedora Core 12 and I'm having some serious problems. I don't know if these are Thunderbird problems or Fedora problems, but maybe you guys can help.

I'm connecting to my college's IMAP account. I currently use Evolution and it works mostly fine.

When I first installed it, it crashed half way through the process of configuring it. So I removed the ~/.mozilla-thunderbird directory it created and tried again. It worked the second time.

Now that I've been using it for a few minutes, it keeps frightening me. It gets my messages from the IMAP server and lets me view some of them, but as soon as I send a message, it says that my inbox has 0 messages in it! The first time I was scared shitless so I checked using Evolution and all my messages were still there. So I opened up Thunderbird again and it saw the messages too. But after I sent another email using Thunderbird, it said there were no messages in my inbox! So I checked again with Evolution and they're all there.

Frankly, I don't know what to think at this point. I'm not going to be using it any longer. I'm thinking it might just be Fedora Core 12. I've had a lot of other problems with it, and earlier today was thinking about going to back Ubuntu.

Re:Serious problems on Fedora Core 12? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372254)

I just installed it on Fedora Core 12

There's your problem. You're installing it on an OS that doesn't exist! [/pedant]

RFC-822 compatible format message (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371822)

Does this version get rid of or offer a way to disable the message that says: "The current command did not succeed. The mail server responded: The requested message could not be converted to RFC-822 compatible formate.." Thunderbird 2.0 seems like a bad choice for accessing Exchange (via IMAP) - is 3.0 any better?

Re:RFC-822 compatible format message (1)

defaria (741527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372534)

Instead of blaming TB why not blame Exchange and it's IMAP support? Or more properly the admins running your Exchange server! Because I've used IMAP through Exchange for years without ever any such error message.

TB3 Upgrade Warning - You'll need your passwords (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371882)

I just ran the upgrade, and the bad news is that TB 3 asked for my long-forgotten passwords when checking for mail. You know, the ones that TB 2 so helpfully remembered years ago when I first installed it.

It would have been nice to get some warning before running the upgrade. Fortunately, I use webmail for one account, so I knew its password, and guessed lucky on another.

The new version looks shiny, but who'll care if they can't get their fricking mail?

Re:TB3 Upgrade Warning - You'll need your password (1)

ddegirmenci (1644853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372130)

You might have encountered some shitty bug. It did keep my passwords, the only things it did (well, it said it was doing, at least) was synchronizing the whole Gmail IMAP folder over again and indexing all folders (I don't know if indexing was done in TB2?).

to head (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371930)

*holds gun to head*

Persona!

an hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372478)

an hero

become one

Thunderbird 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30371932)

Why does the download link say "Thunderbird 2"?

Hopefully improved. (4, Informative)

jwriney (16598) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371956)

One of the early releases I downloaded had the amusing "feature" of downloading every message in the background - not just headers, full messages, with attachments. According to the bug report, this was intentional, so that your folders would be accessible without being connected to the network, but it never seemed to know where to stop. It was *constantly* and repeatedly downloading messages, and ate 40 some-odd gigs before I noticed it and went back to 2.

--riney

Re:Hopefully improved. (2, Funny)

mR.bRiGhTsId3 (1196765) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372252)

Yeah, that is lame. The first time I fired it up gmail disconnected me saying I had used my bandwidth quota for the day or some foolishness like that.

Re:Hopefully improved. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372614)

It ate 40 gigs? You have over 40 gigs of email in an IMAP account? Or was it buggy and downloading multiple copies of each message?

Also considering the mailbox size limits of TB, that sounds impossible. Something is fishy with your post.

Minimize to tray (1)

Renozhin (1423301) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371972)

still isn't included, and none of the add-ons that enable it are updated yet. I knew updating this soon was a bad idea.

vCard support yet? (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 4 years ago | (#30371974)

Anyone check if it supports address cards yet?

Re:vCard support yet? (2, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372136)

Not sure, but More Functions For Address Book [nic-nac-project.org] fixed that for me on TB 2.

Message Archive. (2, Informative)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372026)

a message archive for emails you don’t want to delete but still want to keep

To be more specific, the message archive is for emails that you want to get rid of, but don't exactly want to delete. Like if you're in a mailing list and want to clean out your inbox, but you don't want to delete all of (or at least some of) your messages in that mailing list. It's basically just another way of organizing things. Sorry if I didn't make any sense before :\.

Tabs (2, Interesting)

RalphSleigh (899929) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372056)

Ok, does anyone know how to turn off the tabs bar, or at least hide it when there is only one tab, like firefox does?

99% of the time I read my mail in the reading pane instead of popping open a new window, so the tabs bar is just sitting there with only one tab showing.

Plus pressing the write button opens a new window instead of a tab anyway...

Re:Tabs (5, Informative)

Demetris (852051) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372558)

Go to Options > Advanced, and click the Config Editor button.

Type hide in the Filter box to find the mail.tabs.autoHide preference.

Double-click on mail.tabs.autoHide to toggle the preference.

Cheers!

Great (2, Informative)

Ark42 (522144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372108)

Now I can't get to my calendar anymore. Thanks for synchronizing an update with the Lightning extension

Re:Great (2, Informative)

t0y (700664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372188)

I had the same problem when installing the RC version. This add-on [mozilla.org] turns out to be very helpful while they don't manage to update lightning.

The problem I have now is with the update feature. Having installed RC2, do I need to download de full version? It doesn't seem to be able to update itself.

Re:Great (5, Informative)

rmcd (53236) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372256)

You should try one of these:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [mozilla.org]

I've found Lightning betas to be solid and have been using them for several months (I use GCalDaemon to sync with Google Calendar). I'd back up first just to be safe.

Re:Great (2, Informative)

Temujin_12 (832986) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372616)

You should try one of these:

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/ [mozilla.org]

I've found Lightning betas to be solid and have been using them for several months (I use GCalDaemon to sync with Google Calendar). I'd back up first just to be safe.

Mod parent up. The Lightning calendar plugin team has been craking out bug fixes and is well on its way to releasing.

How Thunderbird has gotten this far without integrated calendaring (not just via plugin) I have no idea.

Does it matter all that much? (4, Interesting)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372122)

I have been a Thunderbird user for as long as it's been around (and before it was "Thunderbird"), and I thought I would be one forever. Even once I started using Gmail for my personal email, I thought I'd need Thunderbird for my work stuff. But, you know, the university started offering hosted Gmail, and I decided to try it... and, months later, I don't miss T-bird at all.

Thing is, I was one of the hold-outs. While quite a few staff and faculty here are still on desktop email, almost all of our students have preferred web mail for quite a few years now - even when the only web-based option was that gosh-awful "Webpine" (Hey! Here's a great idea! Let's use our awful, counter-intuitive, ugly Pine command line program as a design template for a new web-based email client!). So I wonder for how much longer any desktop email programs will even be considered relevant.

Re:Does it matter all that much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372596)

I trust myself more than I trust Google. I will use a desktop email program and backup my emails regularly. If I used web-only email, I would be at the mercy of the most incompetent Google employee handling my remote email (hey, even Google probably hires a few bad apples). The same thing goes for "cloud computing" - use at your own risk.

Re:Does it matter all that much? (1)

snokeloke (1694050) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372752)

So you just forward your mail to another provider as backup ( or your own mail server if your really afraid of the corporate.and yes even if i had a local imap server i would still prefer to use gmail as my client instead of smth like thunderbird or outlook ) Use the offline mode in gmail if your afraid that google one day will be down for some minutes.

Re:Does it matter all that much? (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372764)

Well, to be fair, pine was the best thing around for a long time. I used to like eudora on my mac back in the day, but pine was pretty great too. I pretty much used pine and mutt for years until I started using gmail. Web mail used to suck in a lot of ways until gmail came out. I think a yahoo account only had a 5 megabyte limit or so at the time. 1gig was incredibly large and the interface is still better than anything else. Even the classic html only version is decent and certainly lightweight. Gmail is easily the best thing google has come up with other than search. I'd argue google maps (and earth) as well, but people use e-mail far more than maps.

Ooooh....pine with google imap.....hmmmm....is there a pine port for windows? ;)

Lightning.... (4, Interesting)

shic (309152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372126)

That seems quite an important extension - any idea when (or if) it will be supported by TB3?

To me, it seems like an error of judgement to mainstream release a new version when key addons have not been satisfactorily updated. For the likes of Lightening, it isn't just eye-candy... and, for many, I suspect, breaking existing (addon) functionality will be unacceptable.

That said, I'm looking forward to 'conversation' view - and I've craved an improved address book for years... though what I saw when I last took a peek at the Beta wasn't much better than in TB2.

Re:Lightning.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372224)

Agreed. FWIW, the nightly build of Lightning installs.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/lightning/download.html#nightly

Re:Lightning.... (3, Insightful)

naveenkumar.s (825789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372282)

That seems quite an important extension - any idea when (or if) it will be supported by TB3?

Try the lightning nightly builds. It worked with TB3 beta.

Have they fixed the data loss bugs? (1)

Anonymous Brave Guy (457657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372180)

The first thing I want from a new version of Thunderbird is fixing the data loss bugs, because right now I'm on the point of moving to another e-mail client.

(For the uninitiated, Thunderbird can literally nuke your e-mails without trace under some circumstances, such as if you move it from one folder to another. This is not just the old problems with the silly approach to indexing and "compacting", this is an actual, irretrievable, without-warning, 100% data loss. That's just not acceptable in this kind of software.)

Re:Have they fixed the data loss bugs? (1)

cbhacking (979169) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372592)

Thunderbird can literally nuke your e-mails

Great, so Thunderbird has WMDs. Okay... so when are we invading Mozilla headquarters?

I don't get smart folders (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372234)

It consolidates all the messages from different accounts' inbox folders into one common inbox folder.

What I don't get is, if I wanted to receive all my messages in a single inbox, I would have used only one email address. This feature sounds totally useless to me.

No mbox? (1)

Aoet_325 (1396661) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372356)

The last time I looked into thunderbird 3 all the mail was no going to be stored in an mbox format and wouldn't be stored in anything close to plain text. That's a deal breaker for me. I love the ability to grep a folder or even the entire inbox. The search in thunderbird has always been lacking but no matter how much the search is improved in thunderbird 3 it can't be good enough to replace the speed and power of what can be done on the command line.

If that's still the case and I had to switch to anything I'd go back to using to fetchmail

Re:No mbox? (1)

defaria (741527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372692)

Thunderbird has always stored mail in mbox format. TB 3 is no different.

Re:No mbox? (1)

ZosX (517789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372776)

bad for security, but agreed it would be ideal as a hard to find option.

Synchronise? (1)

HBoar (1642149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372436)

The new features sound good, but does it have some way of synchronising address books/settings etc. over multiple computers? Something like Xmarks for firefox/Operas built in bookmark synchronisation. It's one thing all the mail clients I've used are missing. Seems silly I'd have to resort to a horrible web based email system to get this feature...

gave up on 2, is 3 worth it (format msgs, contacts (0)

cinnamon colbert (732724) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372466)

i used thunderbird for several years, really tried, but never liked it like outlook, then when i had to get a job, the deficiencys were to much.
in particular, the inability to easily control the format of mgs drove me nuts; i'm sure there is some complex command line driven descended setting somewhere, but who has the time ?
and a host of other problems - it was never clear to me how to backup msgs, the search function sucked bigtime (you could teach a course on bad gui with the thunderbird search feature) crappy calendar and contact support....

of course my new laptop with vista is fubared and my old outlook 2000 won't load, but even the builtin vista windows mail program is better then thunderbird

4GB limit and attachment handling? (1)

IpSo_ (21711) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372562)

Have they done something about the 4GB mailbox limit? Are they still living in the FAT32 world or whats the deal with that anyways?

What about automatically moving attachments out of the bloated mbox file and into their own directory? I know they have extensions to do this manually, but tedious tasks such as these are what computers are good at, it should be automatic, especially if they limit the size of a mailbox to something archaic like 4gb.

As much as I would like to use Thunderbird, these two things are pretty much deal breakers for me.

Re:4GB limit and attachment handling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372602)

What OS are you on? I've had plenty of 4GB+ (I think 10-12GB was my largest) mailboxes on OSX.

Re:4GB limit and attachment handling? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30372794)

4GB of email is crazy huge. What email program can handle more than 4GB mailbox size?

Most crap out at 2GB.

No add-on support . . . (1)

structengineer (1663069) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372878)

Dear Mozilla, let me know when you've added the functionality of my add-ons (Lightning, Minimize-to-Tray, Remember Mismatched Domains, Contacts Sidebar, Mail Redirect and Import/Export Tools) to your base program and I'll think about upgrading . . .

No .deb? (1)

phantomcircuit (938963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30372916)

Why are none of the mozilla programs ever packaged for download?

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