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D-Link's New Boxee Box Runs Linux, Eyes Netflix

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the one-ui-to-rule-them dept.

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DeviceGuru writes "OpenBoxeeBox.com is reporting that D-Link's new DM-380 Boxee Box, demonstrated last night in New York at Boxee's Boxee Beta unveiling, runs Linux but does not yet stream Netflix video-on-demand titles. However, according to an unnamed Boxee insider, 'the goal is to have the device support Netflix.' The DM-380 features ports for HDMI, optical digital and analog audio, dual USB, and wired Ethernet, plus it has an SD card slot and built-in WiFi. Photos and screenshots are at OpenBoxeeBox, and additional details are on D-Link's website."

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138 comments

Uhh... So, Hi guys. My name is boxxy... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376400)

I aint trollin...

wifi, hdmi, usb... (2, Funny)

gad_zuki! (70830) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376406)

What? No Lotus notes and a machine gun?

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (4, Funny)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376506)

If it came with Lotus Notes the users would only need one bullet.

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376704)

You mean that you'd leave your loved ones to face it alone?

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376722)

You mean that you'd leave your loved ones to face it alone?

You mean your mom when she comes down to the basement?

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377490)

Your going to need a hell of a lot more than one bullet. With Lotus Notes replication, when you kill one replica, every other replica just keeps chugging along like nothing ever happened. Then when the replica you shot comes back online, it replicates with it's peers, and the only indication that there was ever a problem are a few lines in the logs.

Suicide. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377598)

Suicide... that's that the GP meant.

I have to use Notes at work as well, and I have experienced what you described (and worse). I believe the GP's approach is pithy and more efficient.

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (1)

LandDolphin (1202876) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378146)

Woooooosh.... :-)

The bullet is for yourself.

Re:wifi, hdmi, usb... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377704)

OK, but does it run BSD ?

It looks like crap (3, Insightful)

MistrBlank (1183469) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376422)

This will never sell. It doesn't fit into the entertainment center paradigm. It looks like a puzzle box and a toy.

Re:It looks like crap (2, Insightful)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376444)

Granted it isn't large enough that you would try setting some other full sized entertainment device (dvd player or such) on top of it but....damn guys, you couldn't even set your remote control on top of that thing

Re:It looks like crap (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376452)

This will never sell. It doesn't fit into the entertainment center paradigm. It looks like a puzzle box and a toy.

I thought you were joking, then I went and looked at the pics. Here's hoping they make one that looks a bit more, uhhh, normal.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

sanjosanjo (804469) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376678)

Maybe they will sell some sort of "hat" as an accessory to place on on the top - to make it a level top.

Re:It looks like crap (4, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377496)

What were you hoping to stack on top of a box that's about 5cm wide?

Re:It looks like crap (1)

Kazoo the Clown (644526) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379066)

What were you hoping to stack on top of a box that's about 5cm wide?

His iPod

Re:It looks like crap (1)

dsoltesz (563978) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377056)

It's cute as a button!!! Uhhhh, gimme the standard entertainment system form factor so I can stack the damn thing on top of the DVD player please. I got nowhere to put that crazy cute thing.

Re:It looks like crap (2, Insightful)

manyxcxi (1037382) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376480)

This will never sell. It doesn't fit into the entertainment center paradigm. It looks like a puzzle box and a toy.

I don't think it looks like crap, but it definitely doesn't look like it belongs in my A/V cabinet. Just make it look like a DVD player or something close and I think it would have a better chance of taking off. But, then again, the only people who will be buying this to begin with already know what Boxee is, which means this thing was never going to sell well anyways.

Re:It looks like crap (5, Insightful)

qortra (591818) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376564)

the only people who will be buying this to begin with already know what Boxee is

You may turn out to be right if D-Link doesn't market this properly, but your underlying assumption is false. By way of example, most people who buy Nokia phones didn't already know what Symbian is. All people have to know to buy it is that it can stream "CNN, Hulu, CBS, YouTube, MLB.TV, Netflix (coming soon), Comedy Central, and more!"

Re:It looks like crap (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377516)

and more

It's given that the killer feature is porn, right?

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30378442)

It does pornhub among others. It also has a special mode so that you don't accidentally tell everybody your wanking to shemale surprise 3.

This IS D-Link we're talking about. (2, Insightful)

Chas (5144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378316)

Marketing? Yeah right. The REAL issue will be SUPPORT. Having had to deal with D-Link support (both consumer and professional), I'd much rather be slowly eviscerated with a knitting needle.

And if it's something that can't be reduced to a cookie-cutter firmware setting with no options available, D-Link will fuck it up.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

forand (530402) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378874)

Did boxee get Hulu working again? Last I heard it was dead.

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376612)

If price is below 200$ as they say and it already runs linux, then perhaps hack it and use use it as a home "server"

Re:It looks like crap (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376638)

If price is below 200$ as they say and it already runs linux, then perhaps hack it and use use it as a home "server"

Brilliant idea! Especially for a device that doesn't have any internal storage!

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376800)

ZOMG it haz USB!

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377366)

I guess you don't understand what the word 'internal' means. I don't want to have a pile of crap sitting around acting as my 'server'. I want a small, quiet, self-contained box that tucks away nicely into the corner.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

howe.chris (809831) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379534)

... I want a small, quiet, self-contained box that tucks away nicely into the corner.

Did you see the pics? It might actually fit in a corner. Well... maybe the leaning tower of pisa's corner.

Re:It looks like crap (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376788)

Or you could buy any of the dozens of sub-200 dollar boxes that are designed to accept a new OS.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

Again (1351325) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376936)

If price is below 200$ as they say and it already runs linux, then perhaps hack it and use use it as a home "server"

And then create a beowolf cluster of these!

Re:It looks like crap (1)

gknoy (899301) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379484)

It looks "interesting", but also useless. I can't stack anything on top of it, like my remotes, or game controllers, or a stack of DVDs. I'm unlikely to buy one so strange shaped.

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376670)

They just need to talk to the folks at goodvibrations.com about doing some touchup work on the design.

(What you don't use your media PC for porn marathons?)

Re:It looks like crap (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376686)

Reminds me of a couple of years back when we hired a designer fresh out of art school. He had plenty of artistic and creative energy, but little to no concern with what consumers actually wanted or needed. I think he lasted about 6 months. I guess he's not compromising his vision in the unemployment line now.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

crispin_bollocks (1144567) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377164)

That reminds me, an agency compliance guru at a telco once commented "Those fancy plastic bezels you guys all design to differentiate your product? We rip them off and throw them away before the equipment goes in a rack."

Re:It looks like crap (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377014)

You are being too kind, merely using "crap" to describe it. Start with "fugly" and go from there. It needs a copious beating with an Apple beauty stick.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

Anomalyst (742352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378850)

It needs a copious beating with an Apple "fashionista" stick.

FTFY

Re:It looks like crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377072)

Uh huh.

The unusually shaped box measures 4.7-inches on a side and has a flush power button on its top. It was designed by Astro Studios, which counts among its past accomplishments Microsoft’s stylish Xbox 360+

Re:It looks like crap (1)

Xoltri (1052470) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377222)

I never understood why they still make home theater electronics so huge with gobs of empty space in them just to fit someone's idea of how they should stack together. This isn't 1980 anymore, move on.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

ckaminski (82854) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377514)

I need all that space to put my 400 DVDs in!

Fugly (1)

goto11 (116604) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377420)

Agree. Could never pass the WAF (wife acceptance factor). WTF?
And while I'm at it, could Apple please make a Mac Mini, AppleTV, whatever, that was the proper width for my stereo system? Or somebody make me a box I can put my Mac Mini into, and add a 3.5" SATA HD.... but I digress...

And the same fugliness applies to my friggin' silver, half-width cable box (black, please). This crap has got to go. Make it matte black and 17-1/8" (435mm) wide or it will look hideous on my AV rack. It's not rocket science.

Re:It looks like crap (4, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377488)

This is TINY. It's not meant to fit into any 'paradigm', it's meant to live behind the TV amongst the cluster of cables, or else in the gap between the TV panel and the shelf/table it's on, if you prefer to see the unit. Check out TFA, the device is the size of a coke can.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

GungaDan (195739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377828)

"the device is the size of a coke can"

Clarence? Is that you?

Re:It looks like crap (4, Insightful)

sootman (158191) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377654)

It doesn't fit into the entertainment center paradigm.

FFS, it doesn't fit into an entertainment center, period. [dlink.com] Nor can anything be stacked on top of it. Plus it's needlessly hard to manufacture, find components for, and assemble. This is quite possibly the most horribly designed piece of consumer gear I've ever seen in my life.

ATTENTION LOSERS WHO WANT TO COPY APPLE: Design doesn't just mean making it look neat. Apple's stuff looks flashy but it actually works. (Most of the time, anyway.) [google.com] And if your design only looks "neat" to 14-year-old males, you should throw it right the fuck away and never venture down that path again. Seriously, this thing looks like a prop from a bad SciFi (excuse me, SyFy) movie-of-the-week, or maybe a Roomba from Eureka [wikipedia.org] that gains sentience and starts causing problems.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378086)

No kidding - it didn't take but 1 quick glance at this thing to determine "Nope, I'm not buying that.".

Then again we may see "corner addons" appear on Ebay to make the thing into an actual box shape . . .

Re:It looks like crap (1)

msimm (580077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378506)

It looks like an interesting experiment. I've been using their DSM-750 [dlink.com] for a year or so and although it's missing some of the more advanced features of something like MythTV (no imdb lookups, no cover browsing) it's been a pretty nice way to get away from the computer and enjoy my media without burning everything to coasters. I agree the design of this thing is terrible (for a piece of functional hardware) but if it does marginally well I'm sure we'll see other vendors take a more tasteful approach in the near-future.

Re:It looks like crap (1)

tbuskey (135499) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378756)

I don't think it's ugl, but it ain't
I see lots of reboxing mods.

My TV is on the wall
I have a set top box, DVD player and a TiVo stacked.
It can replace my TiVo for playback, but I probably still want to stack it.....

Re:It looks like crap (1)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379468)

This will never sell. It doesn't fit into the entertainment center paradigm. It looks like a puzzle box and a toy.

I hit the page for comments, and the first 5 amount to "It'll never work, get off my lawn". I'm reminded that when Apple came out with their first iPod, comments here on slashdork were loaded with downer reviews. Here's a couple of them

"No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame."

This, btw, was in the article summary. A little further down:

Pretty slim, eh? I don't see many sales in the future of iPod.

Or, next comment down:

Since when is Apple concerned about market share? They do what capitalism was born to do. Cater to a small market, and do it the right way.

Sure, not everyone was downer, but being pissy because you can't stick a remote on a 4" wide box? I don't know about you, but I have 2 or three FEET behind my flat-screen TV in my entertainment center, because although my 32" TV is just 3" thick, the stereo and media center computer are still like 2' deep, with piles of ugly cords carefully hidden in the back.

Don't tell me that this "won't fit" the media center paradigm. The media center paradigm needs to get rid of piles of wires and switch to bluetooth, with lightweight devices that fit wherever they look nice. (EG: on the bookshelf or mantle piece)

Form over functionality (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376424)

Too bad that thing is formed to take as much as space as possible, there is no way I get a permission from the mrs. to purchase one.

Re:Form over functionality (2, Interesting)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376702)

One could argue that the design discourages the rear vents from being covered (from what I remember of seeing the design before) but yeah, I prefer audio/video equipment (and computer equipment) to be as FSM intended ... black & rack mount.

Re:Form over functionality (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376780)

oh hell, you are such an obvious lying troll:

1. you're on /. , you obviously haven't gotten close enough to a girl to ask one out, let alone marry one
2. if we assume, for the moment, that the first part of your premise is in fact factual, way to wear the pants in the family, letting the mrs encroach on your domain, wussemeyer...

Re:Form over functionality (1)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376894)

1. you're on /. , you obviously haven't gotten close enough to a girl to ask one out, let alone marry one

Yawn. That wasn't even funny five years ago. However...

2. if we assume, for the moment, that the first part of your premise is in fact factual, way to wear the pants in the family, letting the mrs encroach on your domain, wussemeyer...

I wouldn't take relationship advice from someone who claims to have never been close to a girl.

And to be on topic, the design of this unit makes me want to avoid it out of spite for the idiot who thought that looking crazy was a good idea. This is why you should never draw your designs on a folded up napkin.

Re:Form over functionality (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376968)

...obviously designed by someone not familiar with the "ask forgiveness rather than permission" principle.

A box that can "fit in" with the rest of your AV gear could be sitting in your room chugging along for weeks before anyone notices it. This is actually what you want out of AV gear. It is not supposed to be an eyesore that sticks it's tongue out at you as you walk by it.

If you are able to put an eyesore in your living room then this sort of box has sea of extra competition to deal with.

Re:Form over functionality (1)

phozz bare (720522) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377306)

The thing is the size of a soda can and can be placed anywhere you want, including out of sight. From http://blog.boxee.tv/2009/12/09/step-1-make-a-boxee-box-no-need-to-cut-a-hole/ [boxee.tv] :

Rest assured the Boxee Box will fit into your entertainment center. If the look doesn’t quite fit with your decor, not to worry. The RF remote means you can place the box out of sight and still control it. Of course, the Boxee Box prefers being on top : )

Tongue twister? Gosh, yes! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376474)

Boxee Box Beta Linux boxen botox begorah Batman! This could only be the work of the Riddler.

So? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376518)

And what is so special on this? Most networking devices use Linux kernel as their OS to run all needed other features on it.
My 4 year old travel router (WL-520G if I remember correctly) has Linux on it. Same thing is on my 8 year old Telewell ADSL-modem.

The Linux might have a small marketshare by statics companies when it comes only to desktop use, but when it comes to real world usage statics... it has almost same market share as NT (NT 6.0/6.1 is the operating system on Windows Vista and Windows 7!).

Even my Digital TV -set has Linux in them. The DVD/VHS-recorder, 500GB DVB-T and DVB-C devices and even my cellphone has a Linux kernel working as the operating system. (And no, none of the Linux OS's rans the GNU software, so of course the RMS is angry about the fame what Linux has got because GNU did not got their own OS working).

Re:So? (1)

Fri13 (963421) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377262)

Even that this is not so special news for tech people, but this might be first time when the network deive manufacturer is marketing it with Linux.

HD Limitations? (1)

soup4you2 (571216) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376532)

Does anybody know about HD support, I know it has it but curious if it's limited to only 720p like the AppleTV or if it will display 1080i/p. And is there anything to stop me from installing XBMC on there. (I doubt there is but I'm not a big fan of boxee)

Re:HD Limitations? (3, Insightful)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376580)

...anything interesting hardware-wise most certainly has binary proprietary drivers with no interfaces available for hackers or non-corporate programmers.

OTOH, you can just get yourself an ION nettop and it won't look like some sort of an attempt at modern art.

Re:HD Limitations? (1)

Junior Samples (550792) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376904)

Does anybody know about HD support, I know it has it but curious if it's limited to only 720p like the AppleTV or if it will display 1080i/p.

And is there anything to stop me from installing XBMC on there. (I doubt there is but I'm not a big fan of boxee)

I was looking for a high definition media player and ended up purchasing a Popcornhour Model C200 networked media player after ruling out Apple TV. http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/ [popcornhour.com]

The C200 accommodates 1 or 2 internal hard drives and has a 3.5" bay for a Blue Ray or DVD player as well. 1080P playback is not a problem. There are very few file formats that won't work with this player.

Here are the C200 technical specifications: http://www.popcornhour.com/onlinestore/index.php?pluginoption=productspec&item_id=12 [popcornhour.com]

Re:HD Limitations? (1)

hemp (36945) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377656)

The Popcord box doesn't support Hulu, which seems to be the way the networks are working to now a days.

Why not Tivo? (1)

wift (164108) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376672)

First thought. Gimmicky, not stackable and this is something that Tivo should have already done. Seems like a bunch of us had the same first impression too. Won't bode well.

Re:Why not Tivo? (2, Insightful)

uglyduckling (103926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377466)

Everyone here is missing the point. This is TINY. It's the size of a coke can (look further down TFA). You don't stack anything on it - even if it were right-angled it's way too small and the vents would get covered. The idea is that you put it between the shelf/table/base of the TV is on and the bottom edge of the TV panel. Or hide it behind out of the way.

opengl to directx? (4, Interesting)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376682)

Interesting bits from the Boxee beta preview page. [openboxeebox.com] First it lists 'Official support for OS X "Snow Leopard" and Ubuntu "Karmic"', then it goes on to say:

Finally, Ronen notes that with the Beta release, Boxee's graphical engine has migrated from from OpenGL to DirectX, allowing it to take advantage of Direct X video acceleration.

So the "officially supported" OS X and Ubuntu versions will be running on OpenGL, but the Windows version gets full hardware acceleration by using DirectX?

Re:opengl to directx? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376928)

In what sense is OpenGL not "full hardware accelleration"? I'm legitimately curious, not snarking. Are we talking hardware video decoding?

Re:opengl to directx? (2, Informative)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377328)

Yes, they re talking about DXVA support.

Re:opengl to directx? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377814)

If they had it under OpenGL why port the code to DirektX instead of just using their OpenGL implementation?

This is brilliant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30378038)

i watch hd encodes on both linux and windows same experiance but i have found vdpau in linux a benifit see watching a hd movie dont have to use your processor with vdpau linux cuda windows, it can use your video card and it plays hd's really well that way and your cpu usage at 0% and the reasoning why mplayer took out vdpau compatibility beats the hell out of me, stupid on there part. now i have to use vlc to use vdpau under linux and vlc has went a very long ways since the last time i used it. but vdpau is for nvidia 8 series or higher cards to tell you a truth i was expecting a drag or something running a hd encode 1080 x264 working that way, but played very smooth, video quality very good to. I dont know what a boxee is like ive never used one, but the thing is neat ive been wanting to do all of that on my tv, without the need of my pc and boxee is my answer and it beeing wifi is neat to i can move my files from my pc to boxee through wifi, im gonna buy one ive been wanting something like this for along time, but my curiosity theres something the linux one does that they wont reveal till the tech show, i cant wait to see im very curious, I love new technology and what it says it offers so far ill proudly spend 200 and not think twice about it and not regret it, and size doesnt matter for a brilliant idea. The netbook has proved that handsdown. Theres people who cant imagine a day without there netbook now even though they own a laptop, who would of thought something so small would be such a sucess, it fooled me, and again i dont cut nothing till i try it for myself and i love it. Netbooks are awesome. So beeing small dosnt matter for this boxee, its for what it does is unique and it will sell itself for that. btw i dont care about netflix that can be sent to your tv allready without a computer thats been done, but the linux boxee having netflix is just a plus nothing unique.

Re:This is brilliant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30378244)

/head explodes

Re:opengl to directx? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30376950)

OpenGL should be properly hardware accelerated on both OS X and Linux. The problem is that most driver vendors (NVIDIA, ATI) don't bother with good OpenGL implementations for Windows, so the only real alternative for good performance is DirectX.

Re:opengl to directx? (1, Insightful)

HermMunster (972336) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378682)

The key here is "for Windows". There's plenty of hardware acceleration under OpenGL.

The reason behind the lack of OpenGL in windows is that Microsoft dropped it in Vista. When you discontinue a "competing active technology" you can easily guess the reason.

Under Linux HD video's play just fine, even under cheap onboard video chipsets.

Re:opengl to directx? (2, Informative)

limaxray (1292094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377826)

The Ubuntu version (and I assume the OS X version) use OpenGL solely for the menus and overlays. VDPAU is used for decoding video on the GPU, and it works exceptionally well.

Up until now though, this meant Windows users were SOL when it came to hardware accelerated video decoding - I'm guessing DirectX gives them this functionality.

The amusing part though is that the original project (XMBC) used DirectX since it only ran on the original XBox, and the XBMC project ported to OpenGL to support other platforms.

Re:opengl to directx? (1)

trjonescp (954259) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378058)

From the Boxee blog:

As part of the Beta we also changed the underlying graphic library on Windows from OpenGL to DirectX

Re:opengl to directx? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30378230)

Uhhhh, yeah. I think everyone here already knew that, since DirectX is a Microsoft technology that's only available on Windows. Way to contribute to the discussion!

Re:opengl to directx? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30379178)

Yeah, OpenGL is a 3D graphics API (although people may use it for other things anyway to get access to it's supported hardware).

The equivalent Khronos API for media decoding is OpenMAX, but afaik none of the major desktop OSes or hardware accelerators implement it publicly right now. However, the working group's members include AMD, Apple, ARM, Imagination, IBM, Intel, Nokia and Nvidia, so I wouldn't be horribly surprised to see at least parts of it implemented on Mac and Linux machines with all the major GPU families eventually.

For right now there's DXVA on Windows, VA API and VDPAU and XVBA and XVMC on Linux, and really nothing publicly supported on Mac.

As I understand it Boxee uses VDPAU on Linux, so it's decoding should be hardware accelerated for recent Nvidia GPUs (but not for those of ATI who use XVBA rather than VDPAU, or Intel who use VA API).

So basically, Linux is a mess of incompatible solutions, Apple is ignoring outside developers entirely for the moment, and only Microsoft has a single API.

Anyway, that's all just the result of a bit of interested googling, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's wrong on some points...

Re:opengl to directx? (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379376)

Your description of the landscape sounds about right.

So basically, Linux is a mess of incompatible solutions, Apple is ignoring outside developers entirely for the moment, and only Microsoft has a single API.

And that line seems to describe so much more than just this situation... : p

with DTV/PVR? (1)

Kludge (13653) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376726)

Is there anything out there like this that also does DTV/PVR?
I don't want to have multiple computers to maintain sitting around my TV set.
Oh, yeah, and it has to run Linux.

Thanks.

Re:with DTV/PVR? (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376770)

Is there anything out there like this that also does DTV/PVR?
I don't want to have multiple computers to maintain sitting around my TV set.
Oh, yeah, and it has to run Linux.


Yes, it's called a Linux box running MythTV (or some other PVR software) and Boxee.

Re:with DTV/PVR? (2, Informative)

jhol13 (1087781) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377040)

Yes, for example TViX PVR M-6640N or DreamBox. I don't know where you live, those probably do not work in USA as they use DVB-S/C/T.

It would seem that WD TV Live Full HD might be better than the "advertised". YMMV.

Re:with DTV/PVR? (1)

dsoltesz (563978) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377102)

Why do you want this thing? Just get over it and build your own.

Re:with DTV/PVR? (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377588)

I recommend having a computer handle the back-end work of recording and separate devices that can accept network streams at each TV. As for a setup that allows this, I know Dvico makes many, including this http://www.tvix.co.kr/ENG/products/PVRM6640N.aspx [tvix.co.kr] for recording. I can't verify their reliability though, never used one.

Still no Blu-Ray? (3, Insightful)

Tyr_7BE (461429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30376854)

That's too bad. Otherwise this would have been a serious contender for my next media box.

It seems there's no "do-it-all" media center on the market. Games, Blu-Ray, XBMC. Pick any two. I'm waiting for someone to get XBMC going on a PS3. When that happens, I will have chosen my corner in this fight.

Blu-Ray: not ready yet (4, Insightful)

Cajun Hell (725246) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377336)

Don't buy Blu-Ray until the DRM gets more fully defeated. When Blu-Ray becomes ready, there will be some BD library that developers will be able to use to read the discs, and people will be able to implement players without getting licenses that specify that the product is required to suck (which is why there currently aren't any good players), and then good players (all-in-one boxes, MythTV, etc) will finally appear on the market.

Until then, if you want high-definition movies, just let pirates deal with the hassles of Blu-Ray's flakiness, and you can download them with bittorrent. You'll end up with movies that just work, including with your own all-in-one box.

Save your money until Blu-Ray becomes a serious consumer-friendly product. Right now, it's a problem-plagued scam for suckers only.

Re:Blu-Ray: not ready yet (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377690)

Don't buy blu-ray at all. It's a transition format. Just enough to showcase the higher resolution screens we were trying to push (to get the digital terrestrial broadcast rollout going), but the rough edges are very visible. For instance, high-contrast regions frequently show visible fringing, and low contrast regions show blockiness on the disks I've tried so far.

Go ahead and rent, but blu-ray isn't going to be long-term for a number of reasons. In terms of picture quality, it's not like VHS where there were features that could make a huge difference (quad head, etc.). Any player should be as good as another since the outputs are all digital. But it's dumb to put your money into the media itself for the reasons we've both mentioned.

Re:Blu-Ray: not ready yet (1)

Killer Orca (1373645) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378122)

Do you have any reasons other than your own to believe this, or is BluRay technologically inferior to the next-gen displays?

Re:Blu-Ray: not ready yet (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30378528)

No, just my own experience. I suppose it could just be that the people responsible for the tailoring the compression aren't being as thorough as they could be: it might take six times as long to properly look over the details, time they're just not given. Possibly they're using tiny monitors with bad eyes, or worse, monitors whose resolution is less than the target resolution in scaling mode.

I really don't have a good explanation for why something with six times the data capacity as DVD, and a target output of six times the pixels, has more noticeable artifacts. Since compression is being used, quality should improve faster than storage space.

Just a observation that, so far, it's not as great as it could be.

Re:Still no Blu-Ray? (2, Informative)

crazycheetah (1416001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377432)

If you could find a USB blu-ray drive, you should be able to just plug it right in there. The wikipedia page on it says something about it being licensed for use in blu-ray players, so that should work, in theory. Though XBMC (or Boxee, comparing it to this box; it's built off of XBMC) on a PS3 would kick this thing's ass, easily.

Netflix (1, Troll)

qazwart (261667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377076)

Doesn't Netflix use SILVERLIGHT?

Let's see:

1). BoxeeBox uses Linux.
2). Linux doesn't run Silverlight.
3). You need Silverlight to run Netflix

Now fill in the missing word:

Therefore, BoxeeBox will never be able to run ____________.

The truth is that I've given up on standard Linux distros when it comes to multimedia. It simply isn't as good as Windows or Mac OS X. For about a year, we tried to run Mythbuntu, then Ubuntu w/ MythTV and Boxee. It simply never worked very well. Incompatibility issues with drivers and configuration problems drove us up the wall. When Windows 7 came out, we "upgraded" to Windows 7. (Why not?, it was originally a Windows Vista box).

The problem I see with the Boxee Box is that it is competing against HDTVs that can connect with Netflix right out of the box. Plus, these HDTVs are better at displaying video than what Boxee will be able to do.

Don't get me wrong. I use Linux (Fedora Distro) at work. In fact, I installed it at work over my Windows box and am running Windows under VirtualBox on the machine. I prefer to do my development on Linux because it is faster, and it comes with all the development tools I need. Plus, it is two to three times faster running Subversion and Eclipse than Windows.

However, I have that Windows under VirtualBox instance if I have to read email (our corporation uses Exchange and Evolution is an awful Exchange client). I also use my Windows side if I have to display a video or a Flash application. If I can get Flash to work on Linux, it is splotchy at best, MP4s look awful, and don't even try to run in full screen mode. Linux based Android is much better, but that's because Google isn't shy about adding a few proprietary pieces to get things to work.

Boxee is a nice concept, but they're concentrating too much on cool and not enough on getting things to work at a consumer level.

Re:Netflix (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377238)

Doesn't Netflix use SILVERLIGHT?

Let's see:

1). BoxeeBox uses Linux. 2). Linux doesn't run Silverlight. 3). You need Silverlight to run Netflix

Now fill in the missing word:

Therefore, BoxeeBox will never be able to run ____________.

Roku runs Linux, and does Netflix. Now... Doesn't do much of anything else, but it does run Netflix.

The truth is that I've given up on standard Linux distros when it comes to multimedia. It simply isn't as good as Windows or Mac OS X. For about a year, we tried to run Mythbuntu, then Ubuntu w/ MythTV and Boxee. It simply never worked very well. Incompatibility issues with drivers and configuration problems drove us up the wall. When Windows 7 came out, we "upgraded" to Windows 7. (Why not?, it was originally a Windows Vista box).

I have Linux on several personal PCs, my media center, lots of systems at work, and some provate clients. Other than WiFi, I have no driver issues, and other than Netflix, no multimedia issues. While DVR functionality is lacking, if you are having multimedia problems, you are having problems, not Linux.

The problem I see with the Boxee Box is that it is competing against HDTVs that can connect with Netflix right out of the box. Plus, these HDTVs are better at displaying video than what Boxee will be able to do.

Boxxee can do 1080p. What TV do you have that can do better? The rest of your comment is dead on... Assuming it eventually gets netflix, even...

Don't get me wrong. I use Linux (Fedora Distro) at work. In fact, I installed it at work over my Windows box and am running Windows under VirtualBox on the machine. I prefer to do my development on Linux because it is faster, and it comes with all the development tools I need. Plus, it is two to three times faster running Subversion and Eclipse than Windows.

However, I have that Windows under VirtualBox instance if I have to read email (our corporation uses Exchange and Evolution is an awful Exchange client). I also use my Windows side if I have to display a video or a Flash application. If I can get Flash to work on Linux, it is splotchy at best, MP4s look awful, and don't even try to run in full screen mode. Linux based Android is much better, but that's because Google isn't shy about adding a few proprietary pieces to get things to work.

You do know that Outlook can run in WINE, right? And I have no problems with flash on my systems. This goes back to my point above... You may want to look at what you are doing with codecs.

Boxee is a nice concept, but they're concentrating too much on cool and not enough on getting things to work at a consumer level.

Agreed...

Re:Netflix (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377786)

Flash is just bad on all operating systems, not just linux. It has the advantage of doing something on a lot of different machines, but it's a braindead least-common-denominator to do it. Flash video is just bog standard other kinds of video, but because it's encapsulated in flash, it has to be decoded in flash, which only uses the CPU. Why the heck should Hulu, which isn't even SD in resolution, require "2.0 ghz Core Duo" as a minimum when better-resolution video plays just fine on an iPod.

Re:Netflix (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377278)

moonlight is a linux implementation of silverlight. It has at least some support from microsoft.

Re:Netflix (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377692)

moonlight is a linux implementation of silverlight. It has at least some support from microsoft.

But it has none of the MS DRM, so it will not do any secure Silverlight stuff, like NetFlix.

Re:Netflix (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377998)

That could be part of the "eventual" aspect. It may be implemented in moonlight at some point.

Re:Netflix (1)

no_such_user (196771) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377294)

Tivos runs Linux. Tivos support Netflix. Therefore, BoxeeBox might just be able to run Netflix.

It's still ugly, though. Maybe someone will offer a 3rd party case for it.

Re:Netflix (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377304)

Two options, either Moonlight improves to the state where it can work with the Netflix service, or D-Link goes to Netflix and says 'we have n units installed and connected to TVs, we think this is a market that could make you money and we'd like to work with you to get it supported'. The place I rent DVDs from streams using Flash, so it already works with Linux and OS X. They originally trialled some MS solution, but a lot of people complained (it turns out that the people who ditch their TV and pay a monthly subscription to rent DVDs is a group with a large overlap with people who don't use Windows). If Netflix is losing potential customers by using Silverlight then they may well switch to Flash or something open. If they're going to deploy a second system to support non-Windows users, and this also works on Windows, there's no real reason for them to keep maintaining the Windows-only one.

Re:Netflix (1)

domatic (1128127) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377356)

I suspect MS will just pay Netflix the difference. They'll do it under the table if need be.

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30378948)

I suspect MS will just pay Netflix the difference. They'll do it under the table if need be.

I suspect they'll have to pay a lot for the Netflix crew to give up on implementing a solution that will stream to iPhones.

Re:Netflix on linux (1)

Zinho (17895) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377476)

You've got it the wrong way around - once D-Link contrives a Linux solution for Netflix streaming, then we'll be able to stream Netflix to any Linux platform we like.

Yes, it's not possible now, but the Netflix streaming overlords might be more persuaded by a potential corporate partner than they are by the unwashed masses. I wish D-Link the best of luck in this effort!

Re:Netflix on linux (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377710)

You've got it the wrong way around - once D-Link contrives a Linux solution for Netflix streaming, then we'll be able to stream Netflix to any Linux platform we like.

Yes, it's not possible now, but the Netflix streaming overlords might be more persuaded by a potential corporate partner than they are by the unwashed masses. I wish D-Link the best of luck in this effort!

Roku and Tivo both have Netflix on Linux. But it is not open source, so we still do not have it...

Re:Netflix (1)

CrankyFool (680025) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377666)

The technology Netflix uses for streaming movies on your computer (and by that, I mean "your x86 box that runs Mac OS or a modern version of Windows," unfortunately) is, in fact, Silverlight.

But Netflix is, and has been, pushing hard for more device adoption of streaming -- at this point, you can stream Netflix on Roku boxes, Samsung and LG players, some Sony TVs, PS3s, XBoxes, etc. It's not the case -- and you should not assume -- all these systems are using Silverlight to do aforementioned streaming.

Someone below mentions the possibility of D-Link coming to Netflix and saying "we have X boxes, we'd like to have some help." I suspect they'd find a warm reception.

They called it OpenBoxeeBox... (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377436)

Seriously?

Popcorn Hour (2, Insightful)

g8oz (144003) | more than 4 years ago | (#30379204)

Popcorn Hour still looks better

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