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LHC Reaches Record Energy

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the spinning-and-spinning dept.

Science 347

toruonu writes "Yesterday evening the Large Hadron Collider at CERN for the first time accelerated protons in both directions of the ring to 1.18 TeV. Even though the 1 TeV barrier per beam was first broken a week ago, this marks the first time that the beam was in the machine in both directions at the same time, allowing possibly for collisions at a center of mass energy of 2.36 TeV. Although the test lasted mere minutes, it was enough to have detectors record the very first events at 2.36 TeV. LHC passes Tevatron (the particle collider at Fermilab that operates at 1.96 TeV) and becomes the highest energy particle collider in the world (so far it was effectively just the highest energy storage ring...)"

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Doom (3, Funny)

2names (531755) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377092)

Doom, I tell you. It's coming for all of us.

Re:Doom (4, Funny)

purpledinoz (573045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377106)

Since we're all doomed, how about you send me all you money?

Re:Doom (1)

Majestix (41486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377484)

HA!

They have general stores in hell. im going to need my money.

K

Re:Doom (1)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377108)

Very good. I love the sound of dying Cacodemons.

Re:Doom (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377600)

I'm Cookoo for Cacodemons!

Re:Doom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377678)

Hahahhaha...I haven't played that in a decade but I just got this hilarious A/V of a cacodemon dying, going "ahuhuhuhuh" and guts spilling.

Re:Doom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377148)

Doom, I tell you. It's coming for all of us.

yeah.. science has always been horrified like this over centuries.. no wonder we still live in the same timesss

Re:Doom (1)

DigitalPasture (1545473) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377322)

Start running your credit card up... You can't take it with you!

Re:Doom (5, Funny)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377350)

Start running your credit card up... You can't take it with you!

.. and if you've been good, those debt collectors can't follow you!

Re:Doom (5, Funny)

dumuzi (1497471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377364)

I lepton the chance to be the FIRST POST!!!!!. and got so charged up about it I got a large hadron. I am still a little fermion. fortunately no black holes were involved, Unfortunately I miss gauged and some braneless boson beat me to the first post. so I had to gluon my post here, The insensitive clod who beat me was probably from the future and came back in time just to ruin my post, I do not for one welcome this new overlord from the future, The positive side of all this negativity is that having his post on top and mine on the bottom does have a quarky strange charm to it (like a flex fuel car’s superposition of states), At the risk of creating a messon this post (like a bird bombings and baguettes) and having it spin out of control I shall anti up. collapse my own wave function and walk myself off the Planck [through a displacement of 1,2 m (0,24 rods. or about 15 wamprats)] before the beams cross and swine flu mutates into ebola on Dec 21st 2012,

Re:Doom (2, Interesting)

pisto_grih (1165105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377606)

you missed out step 3: natalie portman's hot grits.

Re:Doom (5, Funny)

dumuzi (1497471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377782)

With a Beowulf cluster of memes already used I was afraid natalie portman's hot grits would make my post too memeingfull.

Re:Doom (4, Funny)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377634)

This is your boss. Get back to work!!

Re:Doom (5, Funny)

MadKeithV (102058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377674)

Compiling!

Re:Doom (1)

baKanale (830108) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377596)

Dr. Doom is a "he", not an "it". Way to be rude.

black hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377114)

What? And still our earth hasn't been sucked down a black hole? Do I have to do everything myself?

Re:black hole (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377564)

Do I have to do everything myself?

that's what SHE said!

Energy consumption hypocrisy. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377122)

I find it extremely hypocritical of so many European nations to be very gung-ho about the Copenhagen climate change conference and the associated chicanery with carbon offsets and all that crap, yet they're willing to fund and encourage excessive energy use like this.

The amount of power they used in mere minutes during this experiment could have powered millions of homes and businesses for a significantly longer period of time.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (1)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377154)

How many homes exactly and how much of a "significantly longer period of time?"

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (5, Interesting)

CRCulver (715279) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377206)

A greater understanding of physics may well be worth the excessive use of energy, as it may lead to better sources of energy tomorrow.

Lately I've been wondering how worthwhile attempts to e.g. stop climate change are when, if Kurzweil is right, we'll hit the Singularity in only a couple of decades and then all of humanity's environmental and technological problems may well be solved.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (5, Insightful)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377248)

... for certain values of "solved"

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377352)

I think peak oil is a serious hindrance to the Singularity. No oil, no Singularity.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377728)

Uhhhh, no.

Solution to no oil == Singularity

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (1)

Issarlk (1429361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377774)

Can the Singularity enlarge certain parts of the masculine anatomy too?

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (5, Insightful)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377394)

Lately I've been wondering how worthwhile attempts to e.g. stop climate change are when, if Kurzweil is right, we'll hit the Singularity in only a couple of decades and then all of humanity's environmental and technological problems may well be solved.

It's called "minimizing downside risk".

Which is a fancy way of saying "well, and what if the Singularity does NOT occur on schedule?"

Personally, I don't think anyone is taking the whole "global warming" thing seriously yet - they're just posturing with another unenforceable (and largely meaningless) Treaty meant to placate the global warming lobby while otherwise doing not very much at all.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377446)

I still can't wrap my head around the fact that we can throw what amounts to two grains of sand from a mile apart, make them collide, and actually record the event. The monkeys on this little water-covered rock never cease to amaze me.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (4, Interesting)

geckipede (1261408) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377508)

Nobody agrees on when the singularity is coming. We're nowhere near producing an innovative AI, let alone anything genuinely intelligent in software, so technological progress is stuck going through human systems for a while yet. I am more inclined to believe the predictions that technological advances will start coming too fast for humans to follow in centuries to come, not decades. Our job is to make sure that civilisation doesn't fall apart in a mess of overpopulation and resource shortage before then. Global warming carries with it a huge risk of reducing food supplies below that that we'll need in order to ever reach the point of singularity.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (3, Insightful)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377616)

That's right, Citizen, don't worry about your problems. Just go be a good consumer and enjoy life; everything will be taken care of for you by the Great Tin God. As if by magic Technology will sweep in and save the day, with no need for you to change or contribute in any way.

Oh, and don't worry; mere mortals cannot dig a hole so deep that Technology can't solve it. You can't do so much damage in the next 20 or 30 years, give or take, to face catastrophy before the coming of the Great Tin God. Your folly certainly can't interfere with His coming - and have faith, He is coming!

Give. Me. A. Break.

If not for humans striving to solve significant problems, there would be no technological advancement, and any Singularity that we might imagine coming would never be. That's if the whole Singularity idea isn't crap to start with (of which I am not convinced).

Perhaps an aphorism will help: Have faith, but row toward shore.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377698)

Using renewable solar power, wind power, tidal power, geothermal power and hydroelectric power, we could easily meet all of our electricity needs for years.

Had the billions of euros poured into this LHC experiment been used to build huge solar arrays in the Sahara Desert, all of Africa and Europe would have a reliable and extremely sufficient power source.

Even after that, there'd still be money left over to build large wind and tidal turbine arrays in the North Sea, which would provide extra energy that could be exported to Asia.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (1)

city (1189205) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377754)

Yes but they also "may well be solved" when 2012 hits, but I say we go ahead and research climate change just in case neither of those likely events take place.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (1)

sentientbeing (688713) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377208)

The application potential for new science is open-ended. Anyway. Out of my way luddite. Im first in line for a portable black hole garbage compactor on ThinkGeek.

Energy consumption numbers (4, Informative)

Geoffrey.landis (926948) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377400)

The amount of power they used in mere minutes during this experiment could have powered millions of homes and businesses for a significantly longer period of time.

About a minute worth of googling shows that the site draws a peak load of about 180 MW when it's running, of which about 120 MW is for the LHC itself. And it doesn't run all the time.

Typical homes are about 2 kW or so, give or take, so that's hardly enough to power "millions of homes and businesses".

Population of Europe is abour 830 million, by the way, so LHC represents approximately zero percent of the energy consumption of Europe (to two significant figures).

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (4, Informative)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377404)

This is factually incorrect. At peak (experiment running, all detectors running, all computers processing), the LHC will consume 180 MW of energy. This includes all the energy used to heat offices, etc... The actual experiment uses ~22MW of power. It's not "sneeze-at" power consumption, but considering an average household uses ~1kW of power, and the fact the LHC is planned on being shutdown a significant fraction of the year, the assertion that you could power "millions of homes and businesses for a significantly longer period of time" is bogus.

Re:Energy consumption hypocrisy. (5, Insightful)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377468)

The LHC uses 120MW [web.cern.ch] , but if you really want to slant the numbers in your favor we can go with the 180MW consumed by the entire CERN complex.

If you wanted to power millions (we'll say 2M, since that's the lowest number that can be called "millions") of homes and businesses, you could only give each one 90W. My modest-sized, well-insulated, gas-heated, largely-flourescent-lighted house consumes roughly 1kW (1000W).

So now that we have the hyperbole out of the way, certainly LHC consumes a lot of power. If you hadn't been greedy, you could've said "could power thousands of homes and businesses" (and left off the assertion that there was some time multiplier involved), and that's true.

However, willingness to spend energy on physics is only in conflict with wanting to conserve energy if either (1) the value of the physics fails to outweigh the value of the power consumed, or (2) there is a more energy-efficient way to do the physics.

Perhaps you think the physics isn't worth doing; those funding it disagree. That does not make them hypocrits.

If you have a more efficient design for the LHC, I'm sure many people would love to see it.

Oh, and there's only one LHC whereas there are millions of homes, millions of vehicles, millions of offices in the world. In other words, millions of opportunities to make incremental energy improvemnts that would cumulatively offset far more power than all of the particle accelerators in the world consume, without the need to sacrifice scientific progress (or much of anything, really).

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377226)

No, that was the Higgs Boson from future, trying to sabotage the LHC again. It missed.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (2, Interesting)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377242)

What the hell? Is this for real?

I don't know what's freakier - the idea that this is some kind of covert human activity, or that humans aren't involved in any way.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (2, Informative)

Vohar (1344259) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377658)

I did some digging but couldn't find an article on any "real" news sites. From Google it's showing on conspiracy sites, blogs, and social sites. Didn't find anything searching major news outlets.

I'm guessing hoax at this point. I would think that the major news outlets would all be jumping to get on this first...unless they're just being cautious too, and want to fact-check first. ...though lack of fact-checking rarely stops US news...

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377266)

I was sceptical after looking at the first link, but those images really convinced me.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

zygotic mitosis (833691) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377316)

I want to believe...

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377664)

you can tell it's 'shopped... you can tell by the pixels and I have seen a large number of 'shops in my day

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377344)

It could explain why yesterday night my G-1 started receiving duplicate and triplicate text messages minutes apart, all of them being time-stamped at 8:36PM...

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (2, Informative)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377410)

they've put in an anti-Slashdot referer rule on those images - was there an original article so we don't have to copy & paste?

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

ParanoiaBOTS (903635) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377712)

they've put in an anti-Slashdot referer rule on those images - was there an original article so we don't have to copy & paste?

If you just open it, and then refresh the page it will show the image.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

solevita (967690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377752)

they've put in an anti-Slashdot referer rule on those images - was there an original article so we don't have to copy & paste?

Just click the link then hit F5 when it won't load. No referrers on a refresh...

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (2, Informative)

JesseMcDonald (536341) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377766)

Why not try this Firefox extension: RefControl [mozilla.org] . You can set it to block the referer (equivalent to copying & pasting the URL) or, even better, set it to the URL you're visiting, which gets around attempts to block direct links. This is, as one of the commenters put it, "One of the essential addons for Firefox. "

OMG People ... (1)

abbynormal brain (1637419) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377444)

... get a life. It's Norway! It's just a Rave dance party.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

mace9984 (1406805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377452)

Okay.... FREAKED OUT! This for real? I'm trying to process the implications if this was an actual event, I swear to got if this is some photoshoped junk, I will flip out!

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

mace9984 (1406805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377464)

"got" being the god like figure that will emerge from the next wormhole.

god as in a fake goa uld (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377724)

god as in a fake goa uld

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377604)

This HAS to be a rocket misfire of some kind. The apparent geometric perfection of it makes it look like a 'shop, but the wide variety of images and the video seem to indicate otherwise... Spaceweather.com is reporting on it too, with links to more articles (if you can read Norsk).

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377700)

The apparent geometric perfection of it makes it look like a 'shop

Or that it is in fact an artificial wormhole.
Oh noes, the Wraith stole Atlantis with the wormhole drive configuration installed.

Re:Is this related to this wormhole .. (1)

mtemmerm (1604279) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377830)

Images still not showing up here, not even after a refresh... Did anyone figure out in the mean time if this was a real event or not btw? It looks too perfect, which makes it stand out of the footage as something that shouldn't be there. I'm going to call hoax on this one. If its's not - all the better :).

Humorbot 5.0 (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377184)

So I says, "Super collider? I just met her!" And then they built the super collider. Thank you, you've been a great audience. - Humorbot 5.0

So... (1)

nvivo (739176) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377186)

... do they see the higgs bosons now?

Obligatory: http://xkcd.com/401/ [xkcd.com]

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377202)

after reading the post before yours, I read that as "higgs bossoms".

Higgs (4, Informative)

toruonu (1696670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377220)

The most optimistic scenario for Higgs discovery would take a few years of running. But there are plenty of other theories to test that can show their first signs already after a few months of running in physics configuration (7 TeV or 10 TeV energy that'll probably be around in January/February). Things like supersymmetry, lepton flavor violation etc.

Re:Higgs (4, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377264)

Are you absolutely sure that "Lepton flavor violation" isn't some sort of horribly translated import-only hentai?

Re:Higgs (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377796)

That comment made me shoot Fruity Oaty Bar out of my nose.

Cool Displays (1)

Sponge Bath (413667) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377224)

Those Atlas collision displays would make an awesome computer desktop gadget if you could get timely updates from a central server. Maybe add in some sound effects like "boing-oing-oing!" on each update.

Next week on slashdot.... (1)

BeardedChimp (1416531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377228)

The LHC becomes the first particle accelerator to collide protons at energies twice the speed of the tevatron!

Re:Next week on slashdot.... (1)

JamesP (688957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377560)

Actually the speed is pretty much the same, because of relativistic effects...

So instead of "double" it's another 9 as in "the speed is 99,9999% instead of 99,999% of the speed of light"

Re:Next week on slashdot.... (2, Funny)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377630)

The LHC becomes the first particle accelerator to collide protons at energies twice the speed of the tevatron!

Please explain the Google service or iPhone tie-in.

Breaking news. (5, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377234)

A herd of Lamas have escaped a local zoo and nibbled on the Christmas lights at CERN. The short caused the cooling system to go off line and the LHC will be off line for five months.

Re:Breaking news. (4, Funny)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377270)

The Lamas were heard shouting "stop whipping our ass" and seen trashing any PC running WinAmp.

Re:Breaking news. (1)

svtdragon (917476) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377396)

I knew it! "Free Tibet" is just a front organization for the Association of Avian Baguette Bombers [popsci.com] . Sent from the future.

Re:Breaking news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377460)

Yup. I was there. They were chanting "Free Tibet" on their way to CERN installations.

what's a lama? (5, Funny)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377602)

did you mean llama?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama [wikipedia.org]

or perhaps lamia, a child-eating female demon? that would be sexy but would certainly mess up cern

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamia_(mythology) [wikipedia.org]

they were attacked by hawaiian trees?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diospyros_sandwicensis [wikipedia.org]

they were attacked by a ukranian pop band?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama_(band) [wikipedia.org]

ohhh, you meant tibetan religious leaders! why won't those damn buddhist fundamentalists leave science alone!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama [wikipedia.org]

unfortunately, they may know lama, so they'll certainly kick your ass after knocking out cern with a tibetan white crane style kick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lama_(martial_art) [wikipedia.org]

Re:what's a lama? (5, Funny)

Captain Spam (66120) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377760)

So you're suggesting it was a Lama-trained Lamia Lama playing for Lama under a Lama?

Man, when Lima hears about this...

moriremo tutti!1!!!11 (0, Redundant)

OMFG it's Rici (1564141) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377240)

Moriremo tutti!!!111!11 (We are all doomed in italian)

Re:moriremo tutti!1!!!11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377392)

Hmm, no. Moriremo tutti means "We'll all die".

Yes... (1)

Dartz-IRL (1640117) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377258)

Yes, but are we any closer to using it to shoot pigeons?

At 2.36TV... (5, Funny)

jd2112 (1535857) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377268)

You only need about 0.5mA to send a DeLorian back in time!

Re:At 2.36TV... (2, Informative)

mea37 (1201159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377702)

Yeah... if only a volt (unit of electrical potential, symbol V) and an electron-volt [wikipedia.org] (unit of energy, symbol eV) were the same thing...

Jiggawatts (2, Funny)

sagematt (1251956) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377280)

Dammit Slashdot, at least learn to use Jiggawatts instead of TeV or whichever crazy measure Europeans have, don't forget about your American audience!

Re:Jiggawatts (1)

OMFG it's Rici (1564141) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377320)

How many miles is that??

Re:Jiggawatts (1)

markx4 (1225848) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377406)

Nautical or geographical?

Re:Jiggawatts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377586)

Survey

Re:Jiggawatts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377668)

Scottish.

Re:Jiggawatts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377334)

Dammit Slashdot, at least learn to use Jiggawatts instead of TeV or whichever crazy measure Europeans have, don't forget about your American audience!

I know you're being funny, but eV is the standard unit for measuring particle energy because it's really simple: 1 eV is the energy an electron has after being accelerated through 1 volt. Since they probably know the potential of their devices, this makes their calculations just a simple multiplication problem.

Effect of using the same ring? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377288)

Maybe some physicist could give a overview of the issues of using the same ring for both directions?
I would think that this is magnetic acceleration, but it must involve extremely rapid switching, or? Would a unidirectional ring double potential energy, and could this be connected to one of the old accelerators with a tunnel?

Re:Effect of using the same ring? (5, Informative)

toruonu (1696670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377430)

The reason to collide particles coming in from opposite directions is from kinematics. If you shoot a 1 TeV beam at a fixed target you only get roughly 50 or GeV as the center of mass energy (if I remember right it's ca sqrt(2*m_proton*1000)). That square root is a bitch there. If you shoot them head on to each other at equal energy, then you have the full energy at your disposal. Any other configuration will only reduce the effective energy. If I remember right the LHC dipole magnets are created in such a way that they automatically accelerate particles in parallel beamlines in opposite directions if the particles are of the same charge so it's a nice feat allowing for best efficiency. However you have to understand that the particles are effectively for your local observation traveling at the speed of light. They make ca 11500 circuits every second and you have to keep them in orbit. At the same time the bunch is made up of same charge particles that all want to get away from each other. So the technical difficulty is controlling the magnets in sync with the beams to keep them going and if you have two beams going in opposite directions it just become tougher. Hence the slow testing in baby steps (though they are in general huge steps I'd say). In general I hope some accelerator engineer can chime in and explain the precise background.

Re:Effect of using the same ring? (4, Informative)

bucky0 (229117) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377632)

To accelerate particles in opposite directions using the same magnetic field, you'd need to accelerate both positive and negative charged particles (positives go one way, negatives go the other), The Tevatron does this (protons one way, antiprotons the other). You only have to build one ring to contain the particles, but it's a tradeoff because you have to generate the anti-particles, which is an expensive process (basically, take regular particles, slam them into a fixed target and you get some % out the other side as antiparticles.).

Still? (4, Funny)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377374)

I've been following the LHC's progress fairly closely because I find the project absolutely fascinating. On the other hand, I think /. might be overdoing it a bit regarding news on the subject. Half the summary was devoted to explaining what exactly was different from the last posting. As all of the previous posting have explained, it will be a few months before anything truly exciting happens and years after that before the first really valuable scientific discoveries start occurring. Much of the discussion has become: "Are we there yet?" "No." "How about now?" "No." "And now?" "Still no."

Re:Still? (1)

SirBigSpur (1677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377486)

If they don't over do it now they may never be able to report on it. Soon as that thing runs at full capacity were all doomed!

Re:Still? (1)

Majestix (41486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377512)

But it keeps us occupied. I could be spamming my users, or "breaking" a server just for something to do. :)

Re:Still? (1)

UU7 (103653) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377572)

The summary is also dead wrong ..

1.18 TeV with 2 bunches per beam for the first time.

That is the achievement. Nothing do do with the fact that they are in both directions since that was the case the last time.
Counter rotating beams are a regular occurrence since shortly after this phase of commissioning started.

Re:Still? (1)

toruonu (1696670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377716)

Maybe you should re-read the previous news. Yes, LHC has been in stable operations with beams of 450 GeV per beam for the past two weeks with intermittent other tests going on. Last night was the first time two beams were ACCELERATED in the opposite directions and reached 1.18 TeV per beam. If you don't believe me, just go to http://twitter.com/CERN [twitter.com] which is the official CERN twitter and you can find there (I quote): "Last night the LHC accelerated both beams to 1.18 TeV with 2 bunches per beam for the first time."

Re:Still? (1)

Oxygen99 (634999) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377618)

I take your point, but the Large Hadron Collider is the pre-eminent technological achievement of our civilisation. It knocks the complexity of the moon landings into a cocked hat and operates at energy frequencies intended to rip the very fabric of space apart. It's the most complicated and wondrous machine ever built by our, and possibly by any species, and we're doing all this to understand the processes that govern life, the universe and everything.

That, my friend, is what gods do.

I think a little "are we there yet?" journalism is forgiveable in that context.

Re:Still? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30377778)

and we're doing all this to understand the processes that govern life, the universe and everything.

That, my friend, is what gods do.

I thought gods were supposed to have CREATED the processes that govern life, the universe and everything, not merely trying to understand them. Although it is always possible that they just created something at random and are now furiously trying to figure out what it actually is...

Re:Still? (4, Insightful)

drsquare (530038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377672)

On the other hand, I think /. might be overdoing it a bit regarding news on the subject.

If a few years back we could have an article every time WoW gained a subscriber, or every time someone at Google farted, or some pirate got busted, I think we can have an article when a particle physics record is broken.

Illuminati Alert! (1)

Wargames (91725) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377380)

Someone needs to watch the back of them antimatter-collecting scientists, we don't need no pope wannabe's trying to blow up The Vatican.
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Recently enjoyed the "Angels and Demons" movie. It had some rocket-takeoff-countdown-esq video sequences of the supposed(realistic???) powerup of CERN. Interesting q&a on antimatter at: http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/Spotlight/SpotlightAandD-en.html [web.cern.ch]

"Luke, I felt a disturbance in the force" (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377388)

We've been warned.

In other news... (5, Funny)

HigH5 (1242290) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377494)

... LHC also broke the record for working for the longest uninterrupted time.

Bah. (3, Funny)

sootman (158191) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377538)

Yesterday evening the Large Hadron Collider at CERN for the first time accelerated protons in both directions of the ring to 1.18 TeV

640GeV ought to be enough for anybody.

2.36 TeV - How much is that... (3, Informative)

alephnull42 (202254) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377590)

in standard media units
- Two female mosquitos colliding at 1.652 km/h? http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/lhc_glossary.htm [web.cern.ch]
- An unladen African swallow falling off a grain of sand?
- The calorific value of 1 cornflake unleashed over the space of a fortnight?

*yawn* (1)

PhasmatisApparatus (1086395) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377722)

Wake me up when it's "over nine thousaand" teraelectronvolts.

Picking nits... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30377790)

the 1 TeV barrier per beam was first broken a week ago

That is not a barrier, that is a record.

A barrier is something that provides actual resistance. The speed of sound is a barrier. The speed of light is a barrier. AFAIK, there is no barrier at 1 TeV.

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