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Samsung Enters Smartphone Wars With Bada OS

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the new-phone-on-the-block dept.

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MojoKid writes "Samsung is betting there's room for more in the smartphone market and has unveiled its new bada OS. The name 'bada,' means 'ocean' in Korean and was chosen to convey the 'limitless variety of potential applications which can be created using the new platform.' Samsung claims the OS is extremely simple for developers, saying that bada was built to be extremely interactive with its users — including flash control, motion sensing, fine-tuned vibration control and face detection. Samsung is hoping developers will take this user interface and create a variety of applications focused around it, and thus provide different types of apps than exist for the iPhone and Android OS. The bada OS has a variety of sensors, including accelerometers, tilt, weather, proximity and activity. Samsung will be hosting a series of Developer Days in Seoul, London and San Francisco, among other cities, throughout 2010."

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BadOS? (3, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387032)

BadOS? Was Windows Mobile rebranded?

Re:BadOS? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387146)

Stupid gooks think that the whole world is interested in their gooky language.

Bada ????

Re:BadOS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387226)

people are mostly interested in Japanese NOT Korean. gross!

Marketing gem (3, Insightful)

jmpeax (936370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387584)

From the website [bada.com] navigation menu: bada for business | bada for developers.

Bada for Samsung, more like.

Re:Marketing gem (0, Troll)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387650)

From the website [bada.com] navigation menu: bada for business | bada for developers.

Bada for Samsung, more like.

Why did you reply to the first thread instead of starting your own?

Also, get off my lawn.

Oh goody! (4, Insightful)

yelvington (8169) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387046)

To go with their new, incompatible OS, maybe they can introduce yet another new, incompatible power plug and a new, incompatible headphone jack!

Re:Oh goody! (3, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387084)

The entire user interface should be written in a custom natural language, or maybe Esperanto. Interlingua or Lojban. Forcing customer lock-in because once they learn to read and speak in a proprietary langauge they won't want to switch to a different device. This fits in nicely with using custom connectors for power and headphones. Custom memory cards are also an option here, although Sony invented that idea first.

Re:Oh goody! (3, Informative)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387104)

To go with their new, incompatible OS, maybe they can introduce yet another new, incompatible power plug and a new, incompatible headphone jack!

Oh, yeah. I had a Blackjack and I had all the things I would need. Car adapter, headphone adapter, extended battery. I get the Blackjack II, it has all new adapters. So I have to buy a new headphone adapter, car adapter, and they don't include an extended battery with it in the box! In fact, they don't even have one!

Fuck Samsung's phones. They make great TVs, though.

Re:Oh goody! (0, Offtopic)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387128)

Fuck Samsung's phones. They make great TVs, though.

Sharp's TVs beat Samsung's like a dead horse.

All I want is Motorola hardware with... someone else's OS. Frankly, so far they all blow.

Re:Oh goody! (0, Offtopic)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387158)

All I want is Motorola hardware with... someone else's OS. Frankly, so far they all blow.

I know I'll either get flamed or modded +5 insightful, but I would really consider getting an iPhone. There's only one thing that will keep me from doing it: I want to be able to remove the battery from my phone. If I can't swap out my battery if I drop my phone in water or replace it on my own, then I don't want that phone.

Re:Oh goody! (0, Offtopic)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387312)

I'll add another two things to that list.

It doesn't have a keyboard. Some people are OK with that, but I'm not.
You can't put external memory cards in it, and it isn't that easy to add files to it without getting the laptop out and using iTunes.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387630)

For what it's worth... there are plenty of file transfer apps for the iPhone, like DropCopy [10base-t.com] (and a few [heymacsoftware.com] others [veiosoft.com]). Might not fit your need, but it's pretty painless to add/exchange files without iTunes.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387872)

On my Windows phone, I can take the SD card out my camera and put it in my phone to look at the pics or send them to people.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388124)

Right -- but the GP was talking about needing a laptop and iTunes to transfer files to an iPhone.

I agree, it would be great if the iPhone had a card slot.

Re:Oh goody! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387356)

>> I know I'll either get flamed or modded +5 insightful

We really need "Sheep -1000" mod now. For this. For real.

Re:Oh goody! (1, Offtopic)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387404)

>> I know I'll either get flamed or modded +5 insightful

We really need "Sheep -1000" mod now. For this. For real.

How about the sheep mods who actually mod me up because of that statement? I made a post a few weeks ago that was OT discussing the metamoderation system and I made a point that "Odds are as long as you look like you are correct, you'll be modded up. Watch, I probably will be too!". Sure enough, I was modded up.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

afex (693734) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387376)

i'm not saying that their decision to not be able to remove it was a good idea, but....
1) I've replaced mine already and had a few friends that did it. it's actually not that bad.
2) what i never really thought about until i got one is that you really SHOULDNT need to take the battery out. (except of course if it won't hold a charge) With both my oldass moto V220 and my blackjack (1), i was always taking the battery out because it locked up or whatever. I have NEVER, EVER, gotten my iphone into a state like that. if worst comes to worst, power button + home button will ALWAYS hard reboot it. now THATS good system design.

Re:Oh goody! (4, Insightful)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387382)

All I want is Motorola hardware with... someone else's OS. Frankly, so far they all blow.

I know I'll either get flamed or modded +5 insightful, but I would really consider getting an iPhone. There's only one thing that will keep me from doing it: I want to be able to remove the battery from my phone. If I can't swap out my battery if I drop my phone in water or replace it on my own, then I don't want that phone.

You want a player that is not recognised by the PC unless you install some dodgy rivers?

Funny thing is, the mp3 player for 10$ doesn't need any driver and works with Mac, Linux or Windows.

Fuck lock in hardware or software.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387422)

You want a player that is not recognised by the PC unless you install some dodgy rivers?

All I have to do is pop the Micro SD card into my adapter and plug it into my laptop and I can copy all the music onto it I want. I don't even need to plug my phone in to my computer to do so.

Re:Oh goody! (0, Offtopic)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387590)

But I don't have a Micro SD card reader, I do have an USB tho.

So you see, you can share your music only with people with Micro SD card readers.

An what about generic USB devices? I can use my 10$ MP3 player, but the iPhone doesn't work.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387638)

But I don't have a Micro SD card reader, I do have an USB tho.

Does your computer have an SD card reader though? MicroSD cards come with the adapter. Spend $10 and you can get a USB card reader. Or are you going to complain about those drivers being installed?

The Samsung Blackjack I/II also allows you to change the USB connection setting to only use it as a Storage Card, in which case you just need to plug it in and it's recognized immediately.

So you see, you can share your music only with people with Micro SD card readers.

I don't share my music, so that's a non-issue. Also, see what I said above about buying a USB to card reader.

An what about generic USB devices? I can use my 10$ MP3 player, but the iPhone doesn't work.

I plugged my iPod into my laptop and it installs and works fine. I can use it as a storage card if necessary. I also use Winamp to manage my music, not iTunes.

Re:Oh goody! (2, Interesting)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387728)

I hate to install any kind of crap that isn't needed.

My 10$ mp3 allows me to share my music with people with no need to install or buy any additional devices. I can use it at home, in my car USB radio (and the player gets recharged), at work (I don't have admin rights to install stuff), ...

Of course this might not be an issue for you, but I like to share my stuff and use it wherever I go.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387768)

I hate to install any kind of crap that isn't needed.

My 10$ mp3 allows me to share my music with people with no need to install or buy any additional devices. I can use it at home, in my car USB radio (and the player gets recharged), at work (I don't have admin rights to install stuff), ...

Of course this might not be an issue for you, but I like to share my stuff and use it wherever I go.

Yeah, I do agree on the installing crap not needed. I do look at drivers as necessary though for something I spent money on.

I prefer the aux-in on my car to plugging in the USB cable. I don't have access to my playlists when I do that. Sucks about not having admin rights at work, I'd just grab a USB adapter for a wall outlet and charge it that way so you can listen to music at work.

I usually don't share things since nobody asks, if they do I'd just burn them a CD so I don't have to worry about plugging a writable device into their computer that could be riddled with virus'.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Krneki (1192201) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388110)

Don't get me wrong the iPod is a great device, but the fact that Apple tries every dirty trick to lock me in makes me hate them as much as I can.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388248)

Don't get me wrong the iPod is a great device, but the fact that Apple tries every dirty trick to lock me in makes me hate them as much as I can.

I actually didn't even pay for my iPod. It was a hand-me-down from my cousin. I'd be using my thumb drive plugged into my car/work computer to listen to music if he didn't give me it.

Re:Oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30388482)

Tell me more about this "10$ mp3" that you speak so fondly of.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

Karlt1 (231423) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387926)

All I have to do is pop the Micro SD card into my adapter and plug it into my laptop and I can copy all the music onto it I want. I don't even need to plug my phone in to my computer to do so.

Scenario #1: Create multiple playlists with some of the same songs. How do you keep from duplicating files?

Scenario #2: How do you automatically download podcasts to your phone and have it delete the episodes you've watched/listened to?

Scenario #3: How do you quickly create a playlist of based on a combination of certain criteria -- rating, year, genre, last played, last skipped, number of times played, etc.?

Scenario #4: I have a 1GB shuffle (along with other iPods). I have a 3GB playlist of music I work out with (Workout Music) . I set up a smart playlist to create a 1GB list of songs based on least recently played that are in the "Workout Music" playlist that haven't been skipped in two weeks. I plug in my shuffle, music that I just played automatically gets removed from it and pushed to bottom of the list. Music that I skipped also gets removed and is eligible for resync in two weeks. How do I do that via drag and drop.

Scenerio #5: I'm working at my computer listening to a podcast/audiobook, watching a movie, etc. I'm about 20 minutes into it and I have to go. I sync my iPod (or iPhone) up and it starts playing right where I left off. How is that handled with your phone?

Re:Oh goody! (1)

RMH101 (636144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388046)

On the Mac, I use either SyncTunes or iTuneMyWalkman. Allows sync from iTunes to any bulk storage device.

Re:Oh goody! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30388252)

Problem is that you can find a lot of MP3 players that work as a generic volume... with storage capacities of 512 megs to 2 gigs. However, for someone with a sizable music collection, there are zero players out there with a capacity over 50 gigs that are driverless. You have the Zune. You have the iPod. You have eBay and finding a (hopefully) working iRiver or Rio Karma that you can stuff a bigger HDD into. And that is essentially it.

I'm meaning MP3 players. I've seen some large, clunky units made for storing movies and playing those, but for a small MP3 player so you can take your music collection on a long trip, the Zune and the iPod are the only games in town these days.

Re:Oh goody! (1)

xSauronx (608805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387156)

seriously. i bought a delve because with us cellular at the time my only affordable options were the touchscreen delve or the blackberry curve 8830 or some such. the delve has a gps in it, i didnt travel enough to buy a stand alone, so i thought...nice. i cant use the gps when im roaming, at all, its completely useless. i wasnt told this when i purchased it. i dont need local gps...im from local. when i complained later the sales rep giggled. what a jackass.

the delve is a worthless piece of garbage and ill be buying a blackberry after new years.the delve is slow, regularly freezes and sometimes hard locks, the interface is crap, some things are in stupid places....it was justa horrible decision on my part, even though reviews i read said it wasnt a bad phone at all.

ill never buy another samsung phone.

OS wars are over (5, Interesting)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387058)

We figured out in the 1990s that writing your own OS every couple of years doesn't scale. You just end up isolating your developers from the rest of the industry.

I've written a few worthless OSes myself. One of them actually gets used still. But I wrote it out of desperation, not as a business model.

Re:OS wars are over (5, Funny)

Spazztastic (814296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387112)

I've written a few worthless OSes myself. One of them actually gets used still. But I wrote it out of desperation, not as a business model.

Hey guys, get your pitchforks and torches! I think I found the guy who wrote Windows!

Re:OS wars are over (1)

buchner.johannes (1139593) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387166)

I've written a few worthless OSes myself. One of them actually gets used still. But I wrote it out of desperation, not as a business model.

Hey guys, get your pitchforks and torches! I think I found the guy who wrote Windows!

I was guessing Linus, but pitchforks and torches are still adequate. ;-)

Re:OS wars are over (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387214)

I think you meant to type "we figured out at the beginning of the 20th century that standardisation, componentisation and reusability increases the market and reduces the learning curve for your product".

Except where it doesn't, and the lowest common denominator approach precludes innovation or holds back performance, tying you to the conventions and idiosyncrasies of a third party.

It is not that the operating system wars are "over", it's just that there was a fad in the 1990s to reimplement old operating systems, IOW to re-engineer the same concepts in OS textbooks since the 1960s. Most efforts, unsurprisingly, were interesting to no-one, and the developers in their hubris decided not to conclude that their attempt was worthless (except from an obvious educational point of view), but instead that the very idea of proposing a new OS was futile. Meanwhile, only for the general market, Linus who pronounces Linus as Linus produced Linux, Sun released the Java platform, Apple OS X, VMware its workstation, Microsoft produced CE, and this decade we have Google working on its massively parallel systems, Microsoft working on Midori, and so on. Each of these either run on bare metal or taking the advantage of the driver set of an existing operating system, the choice not influencing whether each of these has the right to be called an operating system (or, for VMware, an important component thereof).

Also, in my experience as an operating system enthusiast, I have met far too many people who have said they have written one or more toy operating systems, but show something that barely boots and that contains absolutely*no* new ideas whatever. It takes a weekend to write a BIOS real mode monitor to make your machine in some way usable.

Re:OS wars are over (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387334)

I have met far too many people who have said they have written one or more toy operating systems, but show something that barely boots and that contains absolutely*no* new ideas whatever.

It's a manufacturing diagnostics OS/monitor/SDK/whatever (for a popular consumer device). The developers complained that U-Boot was too hard to write for, so I wrote them a platform in literally a day. I gave them just enough of a system to write deterministic tests on. And it had drivers for two different ARM platforms, just to prove that it could be easily ported.

The most important feature my "toy" offered was having no features at all. It was a social experiment rather than a software technology experiment. Also it wasn't a bootloader because you still needed a bootloader to run it. If someone added some SDRAM initialization code and a zImage/ramdisk loader it could have been a bootloader. Yes my OS is less than a bootloader. My other OSes are massively more interesting technologically, but are not used by anyone, including myself.

Re:OS wars are over (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387512)

What was interesting technologically about your remaining systems?

One more Linux.... (1)

DrYak (748999) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387294)

Yup, indeed. One more Linux distribution for Smartphones.

Look like the explosion of Linux Distros [futurist.se] that we saw slready is happening all over again on the smartphones.
Well, if history has taught us anything, we already know how it will end :
the majority of them will either collapse or get restricted into some special niche.
only a few of the old timer will stay (probably Android among them ?)

On the upside, that's one more Linux-kernel-based system being sold out there. Just showing that it's a perfectly viable solution.

And perhaps, after a while, as you suggest, constructors will start to realise as you said that each one rolling it's own telephony-stack and -userspace is a waster of ressource, and perhaps will see some coordinated effort going on for core telephony components.
(Just as currently lots of core component of modern distributions are developed in a centralised fashion. DBus comes as an example).

Re:One more Linux.... (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387614)

This Samsung OS doesn't appear to be based on Linux.

Re:One more Linux.... (1)

tolan-b (230077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387688)

It seems to be more of an app framework which can run on top of their existing OS, or Linux.

Re:One more Linux.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30388634)

It is currently [linuxpromagazine.com]. But it doesn't have to be, because (like tolan-b said) it is mainly an app framework that runs on top of an existing OS.

Re:One more Linux.... (1)

cellurl (906920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387828)

Unfortunately if you have read the description for Chrome-OS, Chrome will probably be our future! It is simplier, no bios [youtube.com], yadda, but relies on 100% connectivity which is hard to believe and pay for....
So, go-Chrome or go-home I guess....

35mph [wikispeedia.org]

Re:OS wars are over (3, Informative)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387562)

It's not truly an OS. It can run either on a Linux-based kernel or another, and which they choose depends on the hardware configuration for some reason. It's more of a series of layers on top of an OS.

Re:OS wars are over (1)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387588)

Oh I totally didn't get that when I read the article. That's not so terrible then.

I'm especially touchy on this issue because I'm dealing with a vendor who wrote a kernel/OS from scratch instead of using something off-the-shelf. And it's been 3 source drops in 2 months and each one has an incompatible API and update protocol. So I have to match the PC-side installer/flashing tool with the version I need to install, versions that are only weeks apart in age.

Re:OS wars are over (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387970)

I had to dig into the developers pages to find it. They definitely made it sound like it was custom from the ground up.

bigga bada boom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387070)

obligatory Fifth Element quote

Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (4, Funny)

fridaynightsmoke (1589903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387072)

very likely to come with Bada Bing.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (3, Funny)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387220)

And with a little C4, Bada Boom.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387644)

Suddenly I'm picturing these being the phones of choice for third world insurgents making IEDs.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387696)

No C4 needed - there's already a lithium battery included. You just need a bada charging circuit and you get bada boom soon enough.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387818)

You don't need C4, just use the battery that comes with the iPhone.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387228)

With a Big Bada Boom when it crashes.

Re:Unlikely to come with Google search installed, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387360)

I came here to make a bada bing joke, you insensitive clod!

Bada OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387106)

Thats one Badassos

No Thanks (2)

mattwrock (1630159) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387110)

I don't care what the "Whiz Bang" features are if I can't easily create an application with my existing tools with a language I already know, I am not interested. I barely have enough time keeping up with developments now. This may have worked if they came out 18 months ago, or even if they came out before the Veriizon/Android deal. With Windows Mobile, Palm Pre, Blackberry, iPhone, and Android, I don't see where this fits. Maybe it will sell in Asia. What US phone company is going to put their marketing dollars behind this? Sprint?

"limitless variety of potential applications"? (2, Insightful)

No Grand Plan (975972) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387124)

Wouldn't it be better to have a limitless variety of actual applications?

Re:"limitless variety of potential applications"? (1)

rho (6063) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388356)

All they need is a dozen "flashlight" applications, some Tetris clones and a Winnie-the-Pooh theme and you've essentially duplicated the Blackberry App World.

Re:"limitless variety of potential applications"? (1)

Tyr_7BE (461429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388700)

Looking at app world now, it looks like there's at least a few thousand on there. I was able to download a network file manager, VNC client, and SSH client, all of which I use pretty much daily. Plus good old Shazam.

I get it, you have so far installed a dozen flashlight applications, some tetris clones, and a winnie-the-pooh theme. But there's more out there. Just open up the application and take a look.

Not an OS per se... (5, Informative)

ThoughtMonster (1602047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387130)

...as it doesn't specify a single kernel. [source] [linuxfordevices.com] It's more of a unified platform for development on Samsung phones.

It also probably uses EFL, as Samsung was recently shown to sponsor the development of Enlightenment and its supporting libraries [source] [phoronix.com]

With Nokia moving to a unified development environment across most of their devices, it's really not a surprising move for the #2 mobile phone manufacturer in the world.

Sensors (2, Interesting)

SeeSchloss (886510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387150)

The bada OS has a variety of sensors, including accelerometers, tilt, weather, proximity and activity.

Now, please explain how an OS can possess sensors?

Re:Sensors (1)

afex (693734) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387424)

on a site like /. its assumed that you are techie enough to understand they mean that "the OS allows you to easily communicate/interface with (those) sensors."

i'm more interested in what the "activity" sensor is...?

Re:Sensors (1)

SeeSchloss (886510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387474)

On a site like /. it's assumed that you are so used to reading sloppy wording that editors can write "has" instead of "has support for"?

The activity sensors probably senses whether the device user is active or not. Now does it mean physical activity, or actually using the device, I don't know.

Samsung finally entered the smartphone arena? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387154)

I'll be sure to tell my i760 that.

"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (5, Informative)

mdwh2 (535323) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387238)

Indeed - Samsung are the 2nd largest phone company in terms of market share (second only to Nokia), and they have plenty of "smart"phones (especially if you use a definition broad enough to include the Iphone - that would include most phones).

Of course, perhaps to Slashdot and the media they've "entered", because they seem to have some distorted idea that the mobile phone market consists of Apple in the lead, with the only competition being from Blackberry and Android. The reality is nothing of the sort. (E.g., this random page [cellular-news.com] I found gives Nokia at 35%, Samsung 2nd at 31%, basically a whole load of companies who virtually never get Slashdot coverage - and Apple, who get Daily Iphone Slashvertisements, at 4% - and that's one of the higher estimates I've seen for Apple.)

Presumably what the article meant to say is that they've entered the smartphone OS wars, in that I believe that previously they'd used off the shelf OSs like Windows Mobile and Android? Comparing to the Iphone or the Droid doesn't make sense, since this is a new OS, it should be compared to OSs such as Symbian and Android (and if they were going to compare to products rather than OS, please, at least pick some of the major sellers rather than ones with small market share).

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387754)

If you look just at smartphones, then you see why. Andriod is still a relatively new platform, so the fact it doesn't have much much market share isn't surprising.

Global Market share [wikipedia.org] from early this year puts Nokia in the lead(50.3%), followed by RIM(20.9%), followed by Apple(13.7%). It looks like Apple and RIM are still gaining ground, with Apple at 11% of the global market. [engadget.com]

US marketshare [boygeniusreport.com] is harder to find good numbers for, but it looks like RIM and Apple are beating Nokia in the US. Plus, people actually use their iPhones a lot [webpronews.com].

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

pavon (30274) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387886)

They're not entering, but they haven't really done great in the smartphone market thus far. The Blackjack reception was lackluster. Here is the closest thing to official smartphone marketshare [idc.com] numbers, and it puts Samsung in 5th with 3.5% of the market, which is pretty low especially compared to their popularity in the general cellphone market.

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (0)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387940)

Of course, perhaps to Slashdot and the media they've "entered", because they seem to have some distorted idea that the mobile phone market consists of Apple in the lead, with the only competition being from Blackberry and Android. The reality is nothing of the sort. (E.g., this random page [cellular-news.com] I found gives Nokia at 35%, Samsung 2nd at 31%, basically a whole load of companies who virtually never get Slashdot coverage - and Apple, who get Daily Iphone Slashvertisements, at 4% - and that's one of the higher estimates I've seen for Apple.)

Well,let's ignore that this page is about the European market, and instead mention that it is about all mobile phones, and not (as you put it) "most". Oh and it also mentions Apple's share amongst smartphones: 24%.

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

zyzko (6739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388082)

Presumably what the article meant to say is that they've entered the smartphone OS wars, in that I believe that previously they'd used off the shelf OSs like Windows Mobile and Android? Comparing to the Iphone or the Droid doesn't make sense, since this is a new OS, it should be compared to OSs such as Symbian and Android (and if they were going to compare to products rather than OS, please, at least pick some of the major sellers rather than ones with small market share).

Samsung has been using lately mainly Symbian for it's smartphones, They have some Windows Mobile models but the key products have been Symbian lately. I don't recall them making or even announcing Android phones. What this means that they propably want to steer away from Nokia-owned Symbian and Qt (their Symbian models although based on the Nokia S60 platform have had UI customizations before but Qt is the way of the future for Symbian and now it's time to decide if you want to be on that ship or not). So timing makes makes complete sense, if the OS will succeed or fail...I'm hesitant to bet either way but if I had to I'd say it's too little too late and pushing out better Symbian phones than Nokia would have been better move or if you don't want to be on the same platform as your main rival then Android. Android of course comes with the big G smiling above you... Rolling your own mobile platform is a huge task nowadays when users expect "app stores" and a nifty handset with custom UI is not enough on the higher end.

This is also an interesting move on a time when Nokia has it's own first "real Linux phone" out. They of course reassure their commitment to Symbian as their platform of choise (they reaylly have to to not piss off thousands of partners and developers even if they know that Symbian has hit the end of the road and they are figuring the least bad way out) but Samsung may have devided that maybe, just maybe Nokia is not that interested in Symbian anymore as it's best OS product, at least when it comes to supporting your competition using the same platform and rolling out your own is better choise.

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

zyzko (6739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388492)

And to correct myself - Samsung has Android phones like the I7500 [trustedreviews.com]. Should have remembered that. Seems like they are playing in all tables.

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388174)

'Of course, perhaps to Slashdot and the media they've "entered", because they seem to have some distorted idea that the mobile phone market consists of Apple in the lead, with the only competition being from Blackberry and Android.'

Apple might only sell 3% of the world's phones, but the earn 33% of the mobile phone industry's profits. I don't see why number of units shipped matters when you're making by far the most money, have a device that has single-handedly reformed the industry, and have the most enthusiastic use base and developer base.

It's clear that the future belongs to iPhone-like smart phones, and this is indeed Samsung's entry into what is essentially a new market.

Re:"Enters"? New OS, but not new to smartphones (1)

jeff4747 (256583) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388446)

(E.g., this random page I found gives Nokia at 35%, Samsung 2nd at 31%, basically a whole load of companies who virtually never get Slashdot coverage - and Apple, who get Daily Iphone Slashvertisements, at 4% - and that's one of the higher estimates I've seen for Apple

Market share for all cellphones != Market share for smartphones. Smartphones are WAAAAAY less popular than the cheap crap you get free with a contract.

4% of all cellphones worldwide is a pretty good achievement when you're selling a relatively expensive smart phone, and hobbled by your exclusive carrier deal in the US.

slashdotOS (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387208)

Based on goatseOS, lets you get your dots on all your slashes. Coming to the trollphone and dogballs netbook in 2016.

It's Linux (3, Interesting)

Kupfernigk (1190345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387236)

Which makes 3: Android, Maemo, bada. 4 if you count Moblin. It will be interesting to see how the market share of the iPhone stacks up against the total for the 4 Linux flavors this time next year.

I think some people are misunderstanding diversity. For a consumer device like a mobile phone, having multiple versions in the market is held to stimulate demand. It makes sense for manufacturers to optimise their kernels and support for the devices they want to use, then offer a consistent developer interface. It also makes sense for developers - large manufacturers like Samsung want to have a "community" of developers, not people who produce a product that works with the competition as well. It is then worth investing support effort in those developers, because they are not giving it away to the competition.

As I say, we'll see in a year how this pans out. Meanwhile, 4 multitasking relatively open platforms versus a pretty and slick but less capable one. 2010 looks interesting.

Re:It's Linux (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387570)

Isn't the Palm Pre linux based as well. That would bring the total to 5. If the I phone is based on Darwin then next year the majority of smart phone platforms will be based on an open source kernel. With Nokia using QT you expand the open source penetration even further.

It is amazing to see how the geeks hard work is paying off.

But does it... (1)

Aladrin (926209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387242)

But does it run Linux!?

http://www.bada.com/a-glimpse-at-samsung-bada/ [bada.com]

"The kernel layer, which can be based on a real-time OS or Linux kernel, depending on hardware configuration"

That's a definite 'maybe'.

Re:But does it... (1)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387482)

A kernel based on a Linux kernel ... sounds like they might be heading towards either "nifty contribution to the Linux codebase for embedded devices" or "GPL violation" here.

Ba nu! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387378)

Well, in my native language "Ba, da!" had a very clear, affirmative, reinforcing, meaning. Loosely, it translates into "wrong, it's yes!" to make the point that the answer is "yes" rather than "no".

So I can say "Ba, nu!" which emphasizes that the answer is "no" rather than "yes".

Bad Bet (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387488)

Samsung is betting there's room for more in the smartphone market...

I may not be a high priced marketing exec or whatnot but I would take that bet. In fact, I'd happily wager that the smartphone market reached its limit a while ago... But, hey, good luck there Samsung.

Re:Bad Bet (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387944)

Really? I mean seriously? Take what is called a smartphone today. You don't think in 5, 10, 20 years pretty much everyone who's got a cell phone now will have a cell phone then that does everything that these devices do? We won't call them smartphones then, we'll just call them phones. Just like most (yes, not all, I know) people have a cell phone with a camera now, and nobody calls them camera phones.

Re:Bad Bet (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388068)

I didn't say the market couldn't bear more smartphones - I said smartphone OSes. How many computer operating systems are there? How many are notable forces in the industry? A smartphone OS is little different and the reasons that the computer market can really only bear a small handful of serious contenders are the exact same reasons that the smartphone market can only bear a similarly small handful of smartphone OSes. Already we have a large handful of smartphone OSes as serious contenders in the marketplace. I would argue a few of them are going to slide as a few others further build their dominance. As people look to buy a smartphone, they will consider what their friends and coworkers use (the same sort of thinking that goes into the computer OS market) which will further polarize the market to a small handful. Samsung is thinking they can get into this "small handful" of smartphone OSes but they are too late to the party.

If they were smart, they would hitch their ride to one of the existing smartphone OSes and just focus on the hardware. Instead, they are going to invest resources into an OS that is almost certainly doomed to failure because it's too late to market.

Software. Not hardware. That's what this discussion is about. The software side, imho, has already got the contenders - they're just now trying to determine how much of the marketplace they will possess. New OSes are just going to fight over the crumbs.

Smartphone Wars? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30387540)

In A.D. 2009
Smartphone war was beginning.

Steve Jobs: What happen?
Steve's assistant: Somebody set up us the Samsung Bada.

Apple technician: We get UMTS signal.
Steve Jobs: What?

(...)

Interesting... (1)

flyneye (84093) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387904)

The potential of this didn't escape me though. Motion sensor, accelerometer,face detection, doubtless GPS so while we can use this as a personal theremin ,Big Brother or malware can now not only tell where we are, but what we're doing and recognize the face of the one we're doing it to.

O.k. ,o.k. , it's pretty out there but I haven't had coffee and yours hasn't taken hold yet.

I hear they are teaming up with Microsoft (1)

Orlando (12257) | more than 4 years ago | (#30387936)

..to implement their search functionality directly into the OS. (wait for it) It will be called -

BadaBing.

Thank you! I'll be here all week! Try the veal!

What? (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388296)

"The name 'bada,' means 'ocean' in Korean and was chosen to convey the 'limitless variety of potential applications which can be created using the new platform.'"

That statement is almost as meaningless as this post. Personally, I prefer actual applications to 'potential applications'. Of course, would you release a new phone OS with a name that conveyed a limited variety of potential applications? To heck with actual applications.

Deliver us from marketers. What drivel.

Did you know people get degrees in marketing? (1)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388300)

The BADa OS? Is this like when a Western company releases a product in the mysterious East or that there Southern Hemisphere place, and it turns out their made up product name translates to "rat feces" or "your mother is a whore" or something?

Samsung sucks (4, Informative)

Zebedeu (739988) | more than 4 years ago | (#30388626)

I wish I'd known about this a few months ago.

I bought an Android-based Samsung Galaxy which is great hardware-wise (standard connectors, 8GB flash built-in and still the best-looking Android phone out there, in my opinion), but looks to be basically abandoned software-wise.

Just this week Samsung pushed another small update for the same Android 1.5 which came with the system at a time when Android 2.1 devices are already available from other vendors. There have been rumours that Samsung has no intentions of upgrading the system software to even 1.6, and they're not communicating anything to the community.

This sucks since more and more apps are coming out requiring at least 1.6, such as the google maps navigation and google goggles.
Hell, at least they could allow changes to the baseband so that the community could build their own system. It kind of defeats the whole purpose of having an open-source OS when you can't use the radio because it's locked down [twitter.com].

In fact, unlike other Android phones, you need Samsung's crappy, bloated, windows-only software just to upgrade the system's firmware. The other get automatic over-the-air updates.

My advice to anyone considering an Android phone is to go with HTC (they're still supporting the G1) or Motorola (they have their future riding on Android). Samsung isn't getting my money again.

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