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Anticipated Closure of BitTorrent Sites Spurs Panic Downloads In China

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the quickly-now dept.

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hackingbear writes "Beijing Internet users are scrabbling for downloads from BitTorrent websites following speculation that authorities will shut them down as early as this week. Internet experts told China Daily the failure might be caused by an overload of users seeking last-minute free downloads. As the largest BT download website in China with 5 million downloads each year, VeryCD has been on the verge of closure after the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television (SARFT) shut hundreds of similar peer-to-peer file sharing sites, including the 50 million-user BTChina, during the last 10 days in its latest attempt to fight pornography and piracy online."

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China? (2, Insightful)

GofG (1288820) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395270)

I remember something similar happening in the US (and probably worldwide) when TPB was about to go down. Leeching increased by substantial amounts across the board for the last couple days.

Re:China? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30395928)

Last couple of days? News flash... nothing changed. There are still tons of trackers and plenty of torrents.

Re:China? (1)

GofG (1288820) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395966)

The last couple of days before TPB went down (although my understanding is that it is back up, using DHT? I stopped using it, so I'm not sure).

Re:China? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396070)

There are a bunch of public, open trackers now that are not associated with any source of .torrent files.

http://openbittorrent.com/
http://publicbt.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent_tracker#Open_trackers

Re:China? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396094)

I remember back in the day where anonymous FTP sites only rumored for containing pornography would be swarmed by downloaders trying to mget the whole site if their location was divulged on Usenet. It was enough that they were hammered for access that they would shut themselves down and purge themselves of their content.

Yes, back in the day when pornography was rare on the Internet, and even rare on Usenet. You young whackersnackers don't know how good you have it today.

Re:China? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396454)

I'm not so sure. I remember those days too and there is something to be said for porn that you had to work for a little bit. The mystery of getting files based only on a one-line text description, the anticipation of fourteen hour downloads, and the rare surprise of an entire set being together in one place are all things of the past, and while that makes for excellent instant gratification, I also think porn has been vastly devalued. All sex is best when it involves a little bit of a chase, imo.

Re:China? (1, Funny)

bronney (638318) | more than 4 years ago | (#30399308)

asl plz?

I agree with you. I always thought the most interesting part of sex was the wait. But that only applies to the 15 minutes before the certainty to get some.

Anyway, asl plz?

Re:China? (3, Insightful)

Larryish (1215510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397406)

New movies and new music I can live without, and I imagine that others can, too.

E-books and audio books, not so much.

I could not even conceive of having to go the library for books anymore.

I'm confused (2, Funny)

TubeSteak (669689) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395290)

Some Internet policy experts are suggesting that Internet officials might have gone too far.

"I suggest the government apply less harsher rules on rapid-sharing websites, beause they still need nurturing the market," Fang Xingdong, a Beijing-based Internet analyst, told METRO.

Huh?
Is the internet analyst saying that piracy is good for the market?

Re:I'm confused (2, Insightful)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395378)

I understand your confusion. A government official talking sense about intellectual property would throw me off too.

Re:I'm confused (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396132)

They're not talking sense - they're promoting theft.

Re:I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396500)

You're right. I always seem to forget that every time someone uses bit torrent, even if it is only to download public domain items, they are stealing a physical object from the record companies.

Re:I'm confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397200)

You are my new hero.

Re:I'm confused (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396854)

Two things:

First, Copyright and IP in general are civil matters, not criminal matters. There is a BIG difference (in the law) between stealing a record and burning a record. This is not to mention that in burning a copy, you don't actually TAKE anything from the person you're copying from.

Second, Piracy has generally (at least seemingly) allowed software that would otherwise be too expensive to spread far and wide. The piracy of Windows, for instance, has allowed Microsoft even more leverage than they would otherwise have - for good or for evil.

Re:I'm confused (2, Informative)

node 3 (115640) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397272)

They're not talking sense - they're promoting theft.

By definition, he isn't.

Re:I'm confused (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398384)

Is the internet analyst saying that piracy is good for the market?

Makes sense to me. If copyright laws are stifling the market, then bypassing them is good for it. If it weren't for Napster, we probably wouldn't have online music sales, for instance.

The surprise, of course, is that he's saying it.

Re:I'm confused (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30399994)

Yarrr! GTFO with your **AA newspeak FUD! Go back to your **AA masters and hail them you drone!

I swear, soon I’m gonna stab anyone who ever uses that word in that context again. Help mother nature a bit with the natural selection of total fucking retards!

So what? (2, Insightful)

Andorin (1624303) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395316)

Kill one head of the hydra and two more will just take its place.

Re:So what? (1)

Cedric Tsui (890887) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395358)

That law they just passed along with the great firewall of china might just be enough to cauterize the stump.

it's a little different (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30395390)

when the hydra in question also has a state police force that has no problem getting involved in cultural and human rights issues and government control over the network.

Re:So what? (2, Insightful)

ObsessiveMathsFreak (773371) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396142)

Ten years ago, people though China would never be able to censor the net. They were wrong. What makes you so certain this time around?

And where China goes, the West follows. If China succeeds in shutting down bittorrent, your swarms won't be far behind.

Re:So what? (3, Insightful)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397312)

And where China goes, the West follows

Huh? Where'd you get that one, buddy? China has been in a vigorous "learn from the West" campaign ever since the Deng Xiaoping took the Chinese Communist Party down the capitalist road.

So, Essentially (1)

Lieutenant Buddha (1660501) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395324)

China does nothing to stop the sale of pirated movies, music and software on physical media. But as soon as it's not on a cheap DVD-R, it requires a crackdown? Get your priorities straight.

Re:So, Essentially (4, Interesting)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395704)

The difference here is not the medium: the difference is OUR content versus THEIR content. They have no problem letting their citizens pirate OUR content, even resell it, but when it's THEIR music in which some CHINESE company holds IP interest, well... that's a whole other story!

Re:So, Essentially (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396948)

Indeed. That's what separates us from lesser nations like China, because our RIAA and MPAA crack down SO HARD on pirated Chinese content.

Pfft.

Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397658)

I think China is playing by the book. They've seen the USA role in the world (all IP bull etc. yadda, yadda) -- and they want it for themselves.

Good luck becoming China in the future.

Now, what really befuddles me is why are they fighting pornography... piracy, check, pedo, check... but pornography? WTF? (sorry)

When did the Chinese become puritans?

Re:Actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397690)

1949 to be exact.

Re:Actually (2, Insightful)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30398630)

Yep. ^^^ What he said. You're suffering from an Americanized delusion of the rest of the world; that's why you didn't know.

Re:So, Essentially (1)

Jeeeb (1141117) | more than 4 years ago | (#30398386)

Oh great this again.

China is fucking huge. It's law enforcement problems are fucking huge. If you'd care to get a bit more informed before posting then here is a good starting point: http://www.eastasiaforum.org/2009/12/03/trial-at-chinas-soprano-city-and-campaign-style-justice/#more-8229 [eastasiaforum.org] They've got more important things to worry about than piracy.

Piracy itself is basically opportunism. Western people do it as well. It doesn't require some Chinese conspiracy to see why it would happen in China as well.

Finally, I've seen VeryCD before. A large part of the content was Chinese. Doesn't seem they were particularly worried about that either.

Re:So, Essentially (1)

macraig (621737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30398668)

Dude... I was KIDDING. I was poking fun at the parent post.

Sorry I made you waste the NRG of a good rant.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398578)

You are clueless. Chinese movies and music is illegaly copied within China all the time. Hell, just about every major online company(baidu, gougou, tencent, xunlei, tudou...) make it very easy to find Chinese music, TV, game show.

This is most definitely all about pornography... for once they aren't lying, haha.

Re:So, Essentially (5, Informative)

seshomaru samma (1683366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395902)

Actually according to Chinese media this crack focuses on eradicating pornography. Now, it's true you can get any DVD in China including 'subversive' movie (like '7 years' with Brad Pitt) , but they simply don't sell porn in those shops, it's a line they never crossed. Chinese people get their porn from the internet, mostly through torrents. As for the "china does nothing" part. I think you need to understand just how poor China is. Despite media hype - this is an extremely poor country with tons of problems and the undermanned underpaid police has much more important stuff to deal with than people copying DVds

Re:So, Essentially (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396068)

this is an extremely poor country with tons of problems and the undermanned underpaid police has much more important stuff to deal with than people copying DVds

Then shouldn't they also have more important stuff to do besides cracking down on fucking internet porn?

Re:So, Essentially (3, Insightful)

mmalove (919245) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396246)

1980s: Damnit people, stop fucking. We have too many damn people!
2009: Damnit people, stop whacking off. We need more people!

Make up your damn mind, China.

Re:So, Essentially (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398428)

How that became insightful is beyond me. 30 years was enough time to focus on building a modern society. With too high of a birth rate they were putting all their resources into training for the future. Generation after generation. When that finally stopped and a much higher percentage of their resources could go to building a good society for the current generation instead of building an opportunity for the next generation to do so.

Now China has an emerging crisis as they may have done it too quickly and they will now get old before they get rich.

Re:So, Essentially (2, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30399764)

This is a prime example of how knee-jerk reactions to problems are a very bad idea.

Another is the rate of infanticide of female children. One child per family made people do some really messed up stuff.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396264)

Then shouldn't they also have more important stuff to do besides cracking down on fucking internet porn?

How unintentionally punny!

Re:So, Essentially (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396456)

Actually according to Chinese media this crack focuses on eradicating pornography.

Hopefully it'll be the beginning of the end for the Chinese government - just for the opportunity to name it "The pr0n revolution".

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396496)

the undermanned underpaid police has much more important stuff to deal with than people copying DVds

Like crushing dissidence!

Re:So, Essentially (5, Insightful)

cenc (1310167) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396726)

Stand in the main hall of the Shanghai train station at 9 PM at night before the last trains are leaving (or really any time). The first thing that will pop in to the minds of most westerners, "why is the police not controlling this riot"?

That is just how China is with that many people. It is rather amazing given the population of China there are not more brutal crack downs in China.

  I am not apologizing for the crimes of the Chinese government party, but the western media and politicians often fail to distinguish what it takes to keep order in a country that large and that poor on the one had, and real political and human rights oppression on the other. No country on Earth has ever had to face the problems that China is facing, because no country on Earth has ever been that populated.

Luckily the Chinese government does seem to be getting more sophisticated about it (e.g. cutting off porn sites vs. executing someone for looking at porn), and also seems to be (little by little) starting to realize not everything regarding personal freedom is a direct threat to the state or public order. In fact, the shear white noise of free speech can be a very effective way of drowning out descent. Just look at the United States. It is the tower of digital babel.

   

Re:So, Essentially (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397490)

Isn't Japan more populated? I am from China and I always wondered why we still haven't solved the transportation problems.

Re:So, Essentially (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397712)

Japan's population is only a small fraction of that of China, but population density around hot spots(Which is what really matters), is similar. China and India are really huge countries with a pretty high population density. If each of the many nations and ethnicities oppressed by the central governments were to become independent, each of them would be nothing more than a typical country of the region. Densely populated for sure, but nothing anyone would be scared about.

Re:So, Essentially (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398482)

No country on Earth has ever had to face the problems that China is facing, because no country on Earth has ever been that populated.

There are countries with far higher population density than China. But I don't see the Netherlands, for example, shooting dissenters.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30400074)

Looking at averages over entire countries, you have to remember that much of China is desert or mountain ranges, and there are even some large forests. None of those are a factor in the Netherlands. A comparison between the population densities of the Netherlands and the coastal regions near Shanghai would be much more enlightening.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398826)

So, the reactionaries are curbing your govt by means of showing pr0n to people PRC to suggest them to overpopulate the country to overthrow your rule? I think PRC people doesn't need any help in face of western pr0n to do overpopulation as they are already doing since the times of C.R.?

Re:So, Essentially (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398884)

India's has even worse poverty and overpopulation, yet you don't see an autocratic government there.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396858)

"As for the "china does nothing" part. I think you need to understand just how poor China is."

That's what they get for sinking all those trillions in that horrible investment called America. If only America would pay China back 10% of what's owed, China's economy would be unstoppable. All that wasteful spending on things like the brand new stadiums for the Olympics, who do those poor people think they are? The rich?

Re:So, Essentially (1)

lostinmadnez (1180777) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397186)

Well, you obviously dont know what you are talking about. Does "Private" ring any bells? In any well sorted fake DVD 9 store you can get a Private collection stacked with the other DVDs, If you know what Private stands for, you buy ur porn there, no screenshots on the back, so unsuspecting customers usually wont buy it. And even if, happy surprise!

Re:So, Essentially (1)

aaronlwe (1291712) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397354)

I use bt to download movies in shanghai as too many good movies are not imported or not allowed to enter the cinema. and I downloaded mostly American made movies. The dvd shop actually sell porn...you can ask the boss if you want that.

Re:So, Essentially (1)

rawrasaur (1646811) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397398)

When I was last in Hong Kong (ok its not really China but whatever) I bought porn from a shop in a market on the street. They had tons of old porn from the 80s and 90s and lots of strange stuff. And it was an open air shop in the middle of a market. And that was just last year.

Re:So, Essentially (3, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397482)

Go to any shop and ask for "huang de DVD" (yellow DVDs - Chinese term for it, think "blue movies"). They have them behind the counter. Usually seem to be Hong Kong girls but the Chinese mafia gets busted for making pornos so there must be mainland girls somewhere. Chinese people get really angry when they see their women debasing themselves in porn (kappa girl). Anyone think their view of Western women is warped due to all the white girls they see doing crazy shit in pornos? Think about all the dumb stereotypes of Chinese people we all got from watching Hollywood movies. Oh, and one more thing...heh, heh...it's funny the guys are supposed to be pornstars but they are not particularly well-endowed.

Extremely poor country? People aren't starving to death, and incomes are rising across the board. The police are neither undermanned nor ill-funded. A country where manpower is cheap and government is absolute? The cops in my town all have new police cars. Cameras are going up everywhere to monitor the whole city - imported products that they paid top dollar for (the guy I know who works on the system said the domestic systems were simply not up to snuff.)

Re:So, Essentially (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396084)

I think they're doing it right.

Starting at the latest technologies (P2P Sharing) and working their way backwards. If you can cut off Piracy from the internet, then you can focus on physical media afterwards knowing that very little of it is going to be reproduced - since it can't be file shared as easily.

Stop the net and you stop alot of DVD-R's. If you force Pirates to Film by video cam, the quality of pirated films goes way down and eventually people won't want that pirated version.

How many of those Pirated DVD's in China-town do you think were hand-recorded by the owner of the shop? They were quite obviously fileshared.

Re:So, Essentially (1)

Grygus (1143095) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396518)

There was a booming market in VCDs with camera-recorded movies back in the last 90s. Low quality, low price, so ubiquitous that people didn't even know they were illegal. I don't see why they wouldn't just go back to that, China's too big to effectively police physically.

Re:So, Essentially (2, Informative)

Orion Blastar (457579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397294)

I've been to Thailand in 2000 and 2007, last I checked they still had a growing VideoCD market of new movies. I don't know how they make them, but a van driver was playing VideoCD movies in a van we rented in 2007 to tour Thailand with. It was one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies that had just come out and it was in Thai with no English subtitles. When I went back to the USA it was still playing in theaters so I paid movie tickets for my family to see it, in English and in big theater format. I didn't want to rip Disney off of the price of tickets and I didn't understand enough Thai to get the VideoCD format.

But they sell them in flee markets and mall tables in Thailand and I am told most Asian nations sell them. The VideoCD is in PAL format and wouldn't play on US NTSC systems and modern DVD players in the USA don't play VideoCD formats anymore.

I am told the Asian pirates use VideoCD formats because not everyone can afford the DVD players and VideoCD players are cheaper. In a bad third world country more people buy the cheaper VideoCD players than DVD players to save money and then buy cheap VideoCDs from the street, flee markets, or tables in a mall somewhere. A movie can take up to 3 or 4 VideoCDs because a VideoCD does not store as much as a DVD does.

Yes most people either don't know or don't care that it is illegal, and the local police don't crack down on it either nor does the national government. All they know is for $1 to $5 they can get cheap VideoCD movies in their own native language.

The Playstation systems were sold with a Mod-Chip already in them, and they sell cheap PS1, PS2, and I assume now PS3 games. But I heard that Sony of Japan cracked down on that and sued companies that installed mod chips in their Playstation units, which lead to the population stopping from buying Sony Playstations and switching to PC games that were easier to counterfeit and pirate.

Re:So, Essentially (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398506)

VCDs still play on most Chinese manufactured DVD players. They play on my Sony and Pioneer anyway. You could also play them on your CD/DVD/BD drive on a PC/Mac using a program like VLC. You can also just copy the MPEG 1 files across and join them up and burn to DVD or play from your hard drive.

As for games, Asian gamers often prefer Japanese RPG and dating sim games. The PS2/3 and XBOX variants like "Dream C Club" or "To Heart 2". The console games do not contain mature content (porn) while many of the PC ones do.

For those not in the know... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30395360)

... for those not in the know, the SARFT is basically a bribe-as-you-go organization. Plus, they hate the cute and adorable Cao Ni Ma (the Grass Mud Horse [wikipedia.org])

I bet President-VICE Richard B. Cheney (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30395462)

has been downloading those A.Q. Khan plans for days.

Yours In Novosibirsk,
K. Trout

That's alright (4, Insightful)

Voyager529 (1363959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395852)

Once the bittorrent trackers in China are down, I'm sure the professional counterfeiters will appreciate the boost in business as everyone heads to the streets for their warez. For the first time, the pirates and the **AA both benefit from the same political action!

Re:That's alright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396198)

Just watch the stock of flash-chip manufacturers over the next few weeks :-)

Re:That's alright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396338)

The few, the proud, the Christian, Conservative, Republican Slashdotters.

isnt pride one of the 7 deadly sins?

Re:That's alright (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30396876)

All "out-and-proud" xtians are idiots.

Re:That's alright (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397024)

Deadly sins? I thought it was a todo list...

Re:That's alright (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398720)

Just make sure you leave sloth till the end...

Re:That's alright (1)

lostinmadnez (1180777) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397198)

True, its probably the pirates telling the government to step up its online campaign since their business got ruined by BT. And since many assume fake DVDs are tied to the relatives of Army high-ups, that totally makes sense, in a weird and twisted way.

Neato (3, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395884)

Advisor: "Sir, we don't need to stop 100% of Pirating sites, we just need to stop the top 50% so that the underlying 50% are so overburdened by requests that they can't function! It's like a DDOS attack without hacking!"

Hu Jintao: "Hooray! Promotions for everybody!"

Re:Neato (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30395990)

--Lu Bu joke here--

Re:Neato (1)

PingPongBoy (303994) | more than 4 years ago | (#30398886)

Advisor: "Sir, we don't need to stop 100% of Pirating sites, we just need to stop the top 50% so that the underlying 50% are so overburdened by requests that they can't function! It's like a DDOS attack without hacking!"

Just as I was thinking along the same line, the other line of thought started up - "There's always tomorrow". If the sites are jammed today but nothing stops them, sooner or later people will realize that downloads are still working.

The big BUT: if the Chinese government wants to show how powerful it is, it should just pay to have everything streamed so people don't even have to try to own it. Maybe that's too captialist communist, sort of like country rock, where something unappealing is made appealing.

BTChina is already down (1)

cylcyl (144755) | more than 4 years ago | (#30395968)

BTChina and its mirrors are already down. Many of the forums have closed their sharing forums,etc
The crackdown is on any site without an Audio/Visual distribution license. Which you probably cannot get without paying some unknown bureaucrat somewhere

Unfortunate for Everybody (1)

GrubLord (1662041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396284)

So I assume they're not able to get outside the Chinese Internet to use overseas P2P trackers, etc.?

Poor guys.

Not that it'll hurt them all that much... aren't the copyright holders selling their work at much lower prices in China, in an attempt to make legitimate purchase more attractive than piracy?

Seems like they could just go across the road and pay a couple of Yuan for the real thing. Or even less for a bootleg. (Except porn, I suppose.)

More locally, however, cutting down piracy in China could be bad for all of us. Their ridiculously high piracy rates were forcing content creators to build more effective and convenient distribution systems and reduce prices significantly, just to make a profit in that market. Without that incentive, and with the rest of the world working hard to censor their own Internet and prevent the need for the entertainment, music and publishing industries to adapt to new technologies, we may never have a legal download methodology comparable to the convenience, breadth and scope of illegal downloading.

So what now? (3, Insightful)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396600)

We've known for years that BitTorrent has this weakness of relying on tracking sites that can be shut down or blocked. As far as I know, nobody has come up with a de facto distributed, anonymous replacement for trackers. Now some of the biggest BT trackers have gone down or been blocked. Does anyone know of efforts to solve this, and how they stack up?

Living in China myself, I can access a few BT trackers in English, so that's fine for me. But of course the native Chinese use their own sites, just like they use their own search engine (Bai Du) and their own IM client (QQ). The government here can easily block out the biggest BT sites, just like they block out Facebook, YouTube, Blogger, MySpace, and many other popular western sites. Tor is slower than molasses, sometimes taking up to a minute to display a page here, so that really isn't a replacement, and anonymous web proxies aren't a long-term solution.

Re:So what now? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397422)

> nobody has come up with a de facto distributed, anonymous replacement for trackers. Now some of the biggest BT trackers have
> gone down or been blocked.

Except for the "magnet" DHT links TPB just switched to, you mean? (If you can't reach tpb, it's being blocked by your ISP or government, the site is still up).

Re:So what now? (2, Interesting)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30398368)

Actually, I can't reach TPB here in China. So where is this distributed solution that doesn't rely on monolithic tracking sites? If I can't find these links on a web site (sites are easily blocked here), how can I find something I want, and download it with BitTorrent? This is the problem I'm talking about. The BitTorrent technology is really nice, but in some ways, older technologies are not so encumbered. If I load a traditional P2P system that uses Gnutella or some other network, there is not this same problem searching for files.

Re:So what now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30399818)

Try I2P and it's included bittorrent client. A popular tracker on I2P is postman. It doesn't have nearly as much content as more popular sites on the normal web but the only thing that can change that is the users.
Another idea is to rely on magnet links, distributed hash tracking and peer exchange. In this case only an indexer is needed.

Amanda Seyfried/Julianne Moore love scene? Check! (2, Insightful)

Impy the Impiuos Imp (442658) | more than 4 years ago | (#30396638)

So China is, as probably prompted by the US, shutting down file sharing.

Yet that is also a backup distribution method for information in this near-totalitarian society.

I'm glad we have our priorities straight in pressuring them for reform.

Blocking porn? Noooo! (1)

shish (588640) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397298)

its latest attempt to fight pornography and piracy online.

Blocking piracy I can see as being a noble goal (even if blocking all bittorrent is the wrong way to do it), but why would they want to block porn?

Re:Blocking porn? Noooo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397584)

The same reason why the Church is against the gays.

Re:Blocking porn? Noooo! (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397976)

The same reason why the Church is against the gays.

Because they reduce the birthrate?

Re:Blocking porn? Noooo! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398954)

The same reason why the Church is against the gays.

Because they reduce the birthrate?

Because someone besides them might start fucking their altar boys.

Build the Chinese market (2, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30397910)

The government does this once in a while. The point is to cut off Chinese people from the outside world's contaminating influence as well as stimulate Chinese domestic producers to fill the vacuum of demand. They'd rather have content producers they control promoting socialist morality [china-consulate.org] instead of foreigners with silly ideas like voting (universal sufferage/if you can breathe you can vote...not like wise Confucian sages ruling because they're the smartest and therefore obviously the best [at least in the eyes of the Confucian sages]). Other corrosive Hollywood ideas include: pervasive contempt for authority figures like police, glorification of criminals and violent mafia, scenes of excessive violence designed to stimulate the dark parts of the human soul, and so on. Be disciplined and law-abiding, not chaotic and lawless; Live plainly, work hard, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures...what would Hollywood look like if they had to follow government-mandated guidelines like these when making films?

And people can just get it elsewhere? Sure, but remember the Great Wall was only a wall. I mean, you could climb over it if you wanted...it just made your job harder, that's all. Same with the Great Firewall (actually named Golden Shield because it's meant to defend from attacks from outside while keeping China's domestic internet safe) and other barriers. They're not omnipotent, they are but mere cumbersome obstacles.

The site was closed because it didn't have an "Information Network Broadcast Audio Visual Programming Permission Certificate" from...you guessed it...SARFT! AKA The State Administration of Radio Film and Television, AKA the Comics Code Authority [lambiek.net], AKA the Thought Police. This wasn't a commercial or copyright dispute, otherwise it would be handled by a different government agency. This was purely cultural in nature.

The funny part is, with all these people on bitorrent at once, download speeds have never been higher! ;)

Re:Build the Chinese market (1)

PingPongBoy (303994) | more than 4 years ago | (#30399018)

Be disciplined and law-abiding, not chaotic and lawless; Live plainly, work hard, do not wallow in luxuries and pleasures...

Sounds good in principle, but sheer peacetime economics enforces this anyways. We don't need a government to keep hammering on it. Even in capitalist countries, people can't get away too long with bending/breaking the rules. The subprime crisis has shown that banks can fail.

Ultimately, there is unpleasantness in both capitalist and communist environments. Under communism people are told to endure their poverty without complaining, while in America 10% unemployment is causing its share of hardship.

One shudders to think of a world where every government is communist, but capitalism seems to be limited by the law of dimishing returns too. Perhaps the capitalist-minded people need a central guiding message to unite them in order to improve the opportunities for the lowest classes because businesses seek only to enhance their own narrow position. In the separation of church and state, is there anything to look to. Segments of the Old Testament suggest that religion had many economic and social motivations, but it's hard to find anything in the religious messages nowadays that even relates to economics (aside from Christmas shopping). The New Testament has Jesus throwing out the money changers while conjuring up fishes for free. In this era of turmoil we are fortunate that there is still genius that goes beyond wishes making fishes, in spite of pressures from communism and anticompetitive business people.

Re:Build the Chinese market (0, Offtopic)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30399136)

They'd rather have content producers they control promoting socialist morality [china-consulate.org] instead of foreigners with silly ideas like voting (universal sufferage/if you can breathe you can vote...not like wise Confucian sages ruling because they're the smartest and therefore obviously the best [at least in the eyes of the Confucian sages]).

1. The "Confucians" of the last thousand years are better described as Neo-Confucians, and they would be better described as intellectuals than sages. From Zhu Xi on, the most important works of Confucianism began to be interpreted in a very selective way to reinforce certain attempts by rulers to further their own selfish goals. These people were not Confucians in the classical sense because they did not teach individual consciousness and self-cultivation. It's for this reason that they can only be considered intellectuals.

2. The philosophy of Confucius did not exist as a separate school from Daoism originally, and they only became distinguished in the Han Dynasty when people began to reinterpret the original texts and take on partisan roles. In fact, originally each state had its own prized texts, specialties, and literary styles.

3. The teachings of Confucius stress the cultivation of the person as being the starting point of everything, and the notion of the "Great Harmony" in society comes from everyone putting this into practice, not from rulers exerting power over others. You can verify this very easily by reading the Great Learning, which is the shortest and most essential Confucian book on governance.

4. The Chinese government vilified, and still does to some extent, anything related to Confucianism, which to them is synonymous with traditionalism and conservatism. They need to, to justify their own place in society. However, in the Spring and Autumn and Warring States periods, the teachings of Confucius played a humanist role in society by emphasizing individual consciousness and essential human kindness ("ren", or benevolence).

It's sad that nobody reads the essential works of Confucianism. Scholars are only now starting to recognize that there is a huge discrepancy between the contents of the Confucian classics and what they had presumed for so long. Sadly, anyone who bothered to spend a short amount of time reading the original sources could have learned these things easily.

Who needs VeryCD anyway? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30397928)

VeryCD is for sissies anyway. We 1337 ch1|\|353 c0mmie 3ombie 7err0ristxx0rs know better. We're in ur b0xx0rs (right now) watching ur pr0ns, srsly ;)

Well, joking aside, my formal response as a responsible Chinese citizen was like "What?" I must have been living under a rock for the past N years because I'd never know that VeryCD had a BT service had I not read this story. I thought it was a bunch of ED2K pirates and just that. The only one time I used anything related to VeryCD was when I downloaded the pirate live recording of a concert (that I attended and paid $$$ for) using aMule, and saw a bunch of pirates with "VeryCD" in the username strings.

And yes, I use BitTorrent for pirate movies -- ones that I just couldn't have purchased legally since there are NONE FOR SALE. Old movies that "won't sell" (heck, I even paid a local film archive money to watch one and I liked it so much I pirated it later). Independent movies that were not intended to "sell", e.g. the low-budget scifi "Primer". Foreign movies that did not cater to the local market or did not pass the regulatory authority's "audit", e.g. "Magnolia" (I watched movie critique programme on TV that mentioned "Magnolia" and heck, I just can't find a legal copy available for sale here.)

But when I go pirate I use openbittorrent et al., and before that TPB. I never knew about the VeryCD. Did I miss something?

China doesn't need P2P for copyright infrigements (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30398788)

That just makes me laught. As if people cared in China. The fact that they close p2p sites is just because it's using too much bandwidth on an already saturated network. But have a look at these 2 sites:
http://www.pps.tv/ [www.pps.tv]
http://www.youku.com/ [youku.com]
and realize that nobody needs p2p to watch films. It's better to watch them with live, free streaming! pps.tv works extremely well and has very nice films, with often very good Simplified Chinese subs (according to my Chinese friends).
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