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Student Banned From Minnesota Campus Over Facebook Comments

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the but-we're-gonna-kill-ya-slow dept.

Social Networks 806

Be careful just how you vent online is the lesson from this story pointed out by reader kungfugleek, from which he excerpts: "A University of Minnesota student has been banned from the Twin Cities campus after three of her instructors felt threatened by some of her Facebook postings. Amanda Tatro was patted down and questioned by campus police when she got to class Monday. The 29-year-old mortuary science student had posted comments on her Facebook page after breaking up with her boyfriend. She told her Facebook friends she wanted to stab a 'certain someone in the throat' with an embalming instrument. Tatro said she was 'looking forward to Monday's embalming therapy.' When the instructors learned of the postings, they contacted police." The Star-Tribune's account offers more detail.

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First kike! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30461792)

jews did WTC

My god. (4, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461808)

What the fuck is it that you american's live in such state of paranoia?

Yes, I understand that you guys have had some gruesome stuff happen at schools and all, but some dark and frustrated writing on a wall is no threat at all. Man, if Nietzche or Sartre studied in today's america, or even burroughs or kerouac, they'd be behind bars by now.

Re:My god. (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461888)

nineeleven

nine... ... eleven...

NINES AND ELEVENS!

Re:My god. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462316)

NINES AND ELEVENS!

Which is twenty.... Oh my God there's TERRORISTS in my pocket!

Re:My god. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30461984)

What the fuck is it that you american's live in such state of paranoia?

Yes, I understand that you guys have had some gruesome stuff happen at schools and all, but some dark and frustrated writing on a wall is no threat at all. Man, if Nietzche or Sartre studied in today's america, or even burroughs or kerouac, they'd be behind bars by now.

Oh? When exactly did they say they look forward to stabbing someone in the throat? If someone says it (not a character in a story or philosophical dilemma), it's called a death threat. Death threats on the internet are the same as death threats on the phone, in person, in writing, etc. If your country is fine with people running around threatening to kill people, I don't care. It's not artistic, it's stupid and may cause some people to live in fear.

Re:My god. (-1, Flamebait)

Changa_MC (827317) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462240)

And you're a coward, as your posting ID suggests.

She didn't threaten you (or anyone, technically) so what are you so scared of?

Re:My god. (2, Insightful)

inertia@yahoo.com (156602) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462256)

The IRS already causes everyone to live in fear. What's one more thing?

Re:My god. (1, Flamebait)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462284)

Who the fuck are you to determine the intention of the writer on their OWN facebook portal?

You see, "prevention", when understood in the way you approach it, turns out to be nothing more than a way to make people who dare to think and say and write different, shut up.

Careful. There is a thin line between being "thoughtful" and preventive and just being a nutcase for the status quo.

Re:My god. (-1, Troll)

TOGSolid (1412915) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462004)

Americans are a bunch of knee jerky reactionists that really are about as dense as a brick of lead, and that's coming from an American. So this story really isn't that surprising. Especially with how absolutely obsessive these stupid kids are with having tons of 'friends' on facebook. They'll add anyone they know just to feel like they aren't social pariahs. Why would you have your teachers on Facebook? They don't need to know a god damned thing about your personal life. It's hardly the first time we've heard of some dumbass with people added to their facebook that really shouldn't be there (like their boss).
Retards and technology, always a bad mix.

Re:My god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462290)

While I agree about teachers and Facebook, the woman is 29. That's not a "kid" in my part of America.

Re:My god. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462340)

Retards and technology, always a bad mix.

Sell unnecessary technology to retards who will buy anything. Now you understand how we got here.

Re:My god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462014)

I hate to be cynical, but things work here differently perhaps than where you are from... at least in the places I lived.

When some inner city thug said "Watch your back, yo, because next time I'm gonna put a bullet in your head", you took heed unless you were stupid, because it isn't a threat. It's a promise. They lose their Thug Street Cred(TM) if they say such things and don't follow through, and that IS one of the problems with us americans... we care too much about what people around us think about us. So yes, the pimp WILL "cap yo ass", the crazy bitch WILL "stab you in the throat", and the schizo fat guy who loiters in front of 7-11 WILL "set your ass on fire".

Re:My god. (2, Insightful)

alexborges (313924) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462374)

C'mon bro, I watch american news all the time, I know what you are saying. But this is no crazy bitch making an "Im going to kill you" threat. This is a stupid almost teenage brat attempting to look interesting and venting. I mean yes, bring the student forward personally, question her, then if the threat seems real, go for it and call the cops. But calling the cops beforehand and banning the student for a post?

What comes next? Mandatory public personal diaries, or surrendering your personal diary upon request of the school authority?

Re:My god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462016)

Lol... Nietsche would go positively apeshit today, wherever he was!!!

Re:My god. (2, Insightful)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462052)

"I still want to stab a certain someone in the throat with a trocar though. Hmmm ... perhaps I will spend the evening updating my 'Death List #5' and making friends with the crematory guy. I do know the code ..."

Yea, after Virginia Tech talk like that when it concerns a University get a second look. Its her own damned fault for posting it on Facebook.

Did Nietzche or Sartre, Burroughs or Kerouac talk about killing someone and then cremating bodies in a public forum? Not that I know of so don't compare Apples and Pomegranates.

Re:My god. (4, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462062)

What the fuck is it that you american's live in such state of paranoia?

Relentless public announcements that we should accept our neighbor and be considerate of each other's differences. It's to the point now where people can't even make self-deprecating comments about their own race or sex without being fired for being racist or sexist. Jokes have become illegal. We've made negative feelings essentially taboo -- you can't express anger, dissatisfaction, or anything but sunshine and kittens.

The laws of thermodynamics also loosely apply to social problems: In this case, the rate at which negative emotions are created hasn't changed, but the available space they exist within has been constrained. This has led to a rise in pressure and temperature. Naturally, leaks develop, which result in high pressure discharges into the relative vaccum of positive emotions, which are suspiciously absent right now due to an economic turndown, a lack of socialization amongst our peers (due to the constant fear of them), and so yeah...

We've made it illegal to cry tears, and so... some have started to cry bullets. I'm sorry to say, America -- but life is shit. We need to square with that and be honest. A few more fuck you's and honest brawls between people would do us all a lot of good. Yes, I'm advocating violence here -- because a few punches in the face is a lot easier to get over than a few bullets in the back.

Re:My god. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462180)

Wait, tolerance is what's caused the paranoia and not the years of constant refrain of "the terrorists are coming?" I think you're confused to what the "state of paranoia" refers to. The teachers were worried about violence not about a joke.

Re:My god. (2, Insightful)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462072)

Typically I'd agree with you, but this statement here...

"Tatro said she was 'looking forward to Monday's embalming therapy"

Is reason enough to be concerned. When some kind of school shooting happens, there is typically a message before hand. Sure, you can shrug off the "I wana cuta bitch" but when you make statements like the one posted above, there needs to be some kind of action.

Re:My god. (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462210)

Yes, because god forbid someone is angry and says that they'd LIKE to do something painful to someone. If we arrested people for that, then 99% of the worlds population would be in jail. If she wrote that she was GOING to stab someone, THEN you could say they had a reason to detain her.

Re:My god. (2, Insightful)

dagamer34 (1012833) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462368)

Despite the addition of two words, there is a HUGE difference between these two statements:

"I am going to kill you" - theoretically can be said in jest

and

"I am going to kill you on Monday" - very scary, as setting a date implies much more than joking.

And yeah, after Virginia Tech, school administrators would rather not be caught as "ignoring warning signs" even though stuff like this goes on all the time and only hindsight is 20/20 as to the real problem makers.

Re:My god. (1, Troll)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462098)

Yes, I understand that you guys have had some gruesome stuff happen at schools and all, but some dark and frustrated writing on a wall is no threat at all.

So you acknowledge this bad stuff happens.

Can you acknowledge that it can be prevented?

I would much rather a student be banned from 1 school for Emo behavior then having them run amock and killing several students.

Seriously, get you're head out of where its stuck. People could have been killed. 1 Person is inconvenienced.

Re:My god. (4, Insightful)

Hijacked Public (999535) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462338)

Certainly more than 1 person is inconvenienced, since events like these further discourage expression of similar thoughts.

From my perspective the question is whether or not these types of actions actually make anyone safer. Since we've implemented zero tolerance policies; started kicking students out of school for expressing darker thoughts;began monitoring their activities outside school...are students any safer than before?

Re:My god. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462150)

Way to go, let's go ahead and keep feeding the 'dumb americans' stereotype. There's stupid people in whatever country your'e from too.

Re:My god. (5, Insightful)

interkin3tic (1469267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462194)

What the fuck is it that you american's live in such state of paranoia?

Better question: what the fuck is up with everyone else besides Americans assuming that one or two school officials in isolated incidents means ALL americans are paranoid? I'm not paranoid. Had I been a school administrator, I wouldn't have done shit about this. Maybe I would have e-mailed the dude and told him that no matter how cool his ex said she was, he should not come to her embalming class "just to practice."

I happen to not be the administrator though.

Some parents are irrational about school safety, but that's a universal. Every country has parents overreacting to isolated incidents. Japan is one of the safest countries, school children can ride the subways on their own many places. I remember hearing about a suicide at shinjuku subway station, and reading opinion articles by parents saying they were thinking about not letting their children ride the subway anymore because they might see someone commit suicide. Based on one incident. That's overreacting. These weren't American parents either.

If americans are paranoid more than anyone else, it's about lawsuits. The administration in question was probably being overly cautious in this case not because they suspected the woman would do anything, but to cover their own ass on the extreme off chance that she did, they wouldn't want to get sued.

Speaking as someone who has been sued for $300,000 for a skiing accident involving nothing more than a torn ACL, THAT fear isn't completely irrational.

Re:My god. (1)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462300)

Imagine you're in a position where you have some amount of responsibility over what others do. You find someone you don't know particularly well making threatening comments about another person. Do you ignore it and take the chance of the threats being real? If you're wrong, it's your ass on the line. If you're not, someone else gets into trouble. Without any real knowledge of the situation, what do you do?

Profile as private? (5, Funny)

overlordofmu (1422163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461810)

I always make sure I am an anonymous coward (or at least have my facebook status to private) before I make my homicidal feelings known.

By the way, I am gonna get all you suckers!!!!

Re:Profile as private? (1)

rolando2424 (1096299) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462058)

And let me guess... your password is hunter2, right?

Re:Profile as private? (1)

PincushionMan (1312913) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462128)

Umm, I hate to break it to you, but you forgot to log out...

I know, I know *woosh*

I think the question is... (5, Insightful)

DotNM (737979) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461816)

I think the question is if written comments like that should be construed as threats, or more like a journal where you'd just write for yourself. I'm also wondering if there's any other evidence that anyone on campus was targetted. The ban should have been lifted after the full story was found out.

Re:I think the question is... (2, Insightful)

TheRealMindChild (743925) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462152)

See, this is just a matter of weeding out the less fit. You don't say "I am going to kill you". You say something along the lines of "You are going to die". The first one is pretty clear on your intentions. The latter can be a "misunderstanding" when things like this happen:

"No sir. I had no intentions of killing this person. I was just stating fact that they were going to die. After all, we all are! There was just some miscommunication, that's all!"

Re:I think the question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462186)

They aren't 'threats', but the teachers felt threatened. It's a small difference, but it's there. If I learned that someone had said they would like to stab me in the eye with an icepick, I'd serious consider telling the police, too. And if they posted it publicly, I almost certainly would do so.

Posting AC so the retards that now feel the need to threaten me can't do so with any knowledge of who they are threatening. I really hate idiots.

Re:I think the question is... (0, Troll)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462334)

Well, i feel threatened by my openly gay professor, based on comments on his personal page that he was gay.

If there dosen't have to be any merit to my feelings of "threat", will the school ban him without thinking about it?

Re:I think the question is... (1)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462262)

The ban should never have been in place unless the boyfriend called the police, claiming that he felt threatened, in which case a restraining order / questions should have been applied.

If i were a student at that school i would be really afraid that i would be kicked out for anything at all.

stupid (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461820)

Morticians have a morbid sense of humor? SAY IT AIN'T SO! *face palm*

Re:stupid (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462242)

Badoom psh!

Threats are threats (1, Insightful)

kriston (7886) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461828)

Threats are threats.

Yup, sounds about right.

Next topic, please!

Re:Threats are threats (4, Insightful)

TheLostSamurai (1051736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461918)

Threats are threats.

Yup, sounds about right.

Next topic, please!

I believe saying I want to is quite different from saying I'm going to.

Re:Threats are threats (3, Insightful)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462076)

For every few thousand cases where some dumb student posts an angry comment and it means nothing, there's the next case where the student then stabs their professor in the throat. Where do you draw the line?

Either we say freedom of speech is important or we say any threat is to be taken seriously.

Now, if the students want to protest this action, I recommend that thousands of the students at the university ALSO post "I also want to stab the professor and the chief of police in the throat with a mortuary knife". When confronted with a massive civil unrest protest of this kind, the police and authorities usually fold. The university will quickly ban one student but would never ban 100 students, much less several thousand students.

As with ALL civil unrest, you have to be prepared to take the punishment tho. It's always possible the university would indeed ban several thousand students.

Re:Threats are threats (5, Insightful)

Buelldozer (713671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462198)

Yes, but how do you know the difference?

At Columbine and Virginia Tech the perpetrators had made public statements like this and it was blown off by the authorities.

What if had happened in THIS case? I'll tell you what, "The Authorities", would have been publicly eviscerated for "ignoring the clear warning signs that this student was disturbed and homicidal".

So if you're in Authority you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! In the end the only safe way is to err on the side of caution and have the situation checked out.

Re:Threats are threats (1)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462202)

And different than actually doing, which is the important part.

Her boyfriend didn't even "feel" threatened, so what is the issue here? Professors reading facebook pages of their students?

Re:Threats are threats (1)

MWoody (222806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462134)

No no no, let me fix that:

Threats are threats, even
when online. Sounds about right.
Next topic, please sir!

Silly. (5, Funny)

TaggartAleslayer (840739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461832)

This whole thing makes me want to beat someone in the face with a keyboard. I'm looking forward to Tomorrow's "development therapy".

No, I actually mean I'm going to qwerty some bitches foreheads here. Sorry for any confusion.

Mortuary Science? (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461834)

Sounds like that degree is DOA at least for her.

mortuary science? (2, Funny)

1_brown_mouse (160511) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461836)

Its a dead field.

/Sorry, had to be done.

Re:mortuary science? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462074)

> Its a dead field. Sorry, had to be done.

No, it didn't.

Next time, throw out the obvious joke that first springs to mind, and take the time to think of something clever, PLEASE.

treat as public (1)

fyoder (857358) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461840)

It doesn't matter what your account settings are, treat everything you post to facebook as public. It's worse than email, and you want to be careful of what you send in those as well.

Modern times (5, Insightful)

fastest fascist (1086001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461850)

A society that expects a group of people to judge the actions of other people, but is too large to allow these people to know each other well enough to be able to make such judgement combined with an increasing amount of private information being publicly communicated = recipe for trouble.

never a good plan (4, Insightful)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461860)

threatening to kill someone publicly is never a good idea.

Re:never a good plan (2, Insightful)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462030)

Except if you are the leader of Iran, then everyone ignores you.

Re:never a good plan (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462132)

Unless the plan is to raise suspicion...

Re:never a good plan (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462288)

threatening to kill someone publicly is never a good idea.

Absolutely. However, she didn't threaten to kill anyone. She merely said that she'd LIKE to stab them. Big difference actually. One implies that you WILL do it (a threat), the other is simply an expression of anger.

Re:never a good plan (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462348)

threatening to kill someone publicly is never a good idea.

People say stupid things when they're angry. Everybody knows this, and in a normal and well-adjusted society where we calmly and rationally look at the available facts, we'd remember this. Motive and means, those are the questions nobody asks -- because when you have a zero tolerance policy you don't have to ask questions anymore. Zero tolerance policies aren't there to keep you safe -- it's there to keep the administration safe.

I often joke about sucking out people's souls, or asking friends if they'll need help moving the body of whomever they're annoyed with, or any one of a dozen other euphemisms for killing, death, destruction, mayhem, etc. Why? Because conjuring up mental imagery of the object of our anger in pain and suffering is carthetic. We bond with our friends over our mutual dislike of others -- establishing an us and a them. It's not politically vogue to acknowledge this aspect of the human condition, but it's something we all do to varying degrees and it's healthy.

If we can't laugh at ourselves as a society -- if we can't let some things go and just say "Okay, maybe that was a bit much. Let's not do that next time," then we're setting ourselves up for a very big fall. I've seen what happens when people straightjacket themselves into not showing negative emotions. They look fine, right up until they snap. And then a whole bunch of people get hurt (or even killed) because today was the day they decided to make their own personal, Custerian stand against the world over some stupid, minor thing.

And the really sad part about it is -- when people do snap, we demonize them. They were sick and twisted individuals, and absolutely nothing like you and I. Bullshit -- they were exactly like you and me. They just couldn't take it anymore, whereas you and I, we're willing to keep our heads down, smile, and pretend nothing at all is wrong. And die a little inside each day for it. We're all victims in this. All of us.

Will people learn to watch what's said online? (4, Insightful)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461866)

Yes, she was upset and "venting" but what you put on the Net stays on the Net. I always treat EVERYTHING I post online as public and manage my words with care, as they may come to haunt me someday. It's a shame. What she needed was to be forced to attend counseling, not have her entire college career ruined. But maybe people will learn from her mistake.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30461938)

What she needed is for people to fucking keep out of her business and put an end to all of this 'thoughtcrime' bullshit.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (1)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462006)

It's not a thoughtcrime; it's a sad reality. You are judged from the words that come out of your mouth and text lives on forever.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (3, Informative)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462108)

What she needed is for people to fucking keep out of her business and put an end to all of this 'thoughtcrime' bullshit.

Yeah, posting violent fantasies on a social networking site is a good way to make sure people stay out of your business.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (1)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462148)

This.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (2, Insightful)

longhairedgnome (610579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462000)

I wish more people would do this when simply TALKING. Words are very powerful tools and carefully choosing those words when speaking, either publicly or in private, is just as important when posting typed words online.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (4, Funny)

TaggartAleslayer (840739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462112)

Indeed. Words are our most precious form of expression. Even the most well intentioned statement can be ruined by one penis misspoken or mistyped word.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (2, Insightful)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462120)

Exactly. You can argue "freedom of speech" all you want, but freedom means responsibility for how people react to what you say.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (5, Insightful)

Chees0rz (1194661) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462028)

It's a shame. What she needed was to be forced to attend counseling, not have her entire college career ruined. But maybe people will learn from her mistake.

Learn what? Last time I checked, saying "I want to stab someone in the throat" is different from:
a. Stabbing someone in the throat
b. Threatening to stab someone in the throat
c. Planning to stab someone in the throat
d. Having any intentions of stabbing someone in the throat, at all
e. Being capable of stabbing someone in the throat


I really want to take all your mod points. Quick, ban me for hacking!

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (1)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462094)

Learn that what you post online will stay with you FOREVER. I've found Usenet posts I made dating back to my college days online; that's dating back almost fifteen years. Is it fair? No. But it's the reality of life.

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462224)

What she needed was to be forced to attend counseling.

For someone who manages their words with care, those are some pretty strong words. What if you go back to school and a loved one passes away. Would you then condone them forcing you to attend counseling?

(PS - I agree with everything else, it's silly to think that death threats on the net, real or not, wouldn't be taken seriously)

Re:Will people learn to watch what's said online? (1)

Kyrene (624175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462302)

She posted a death threat online. Yes, I think she should be forced to attend counseling. I'll stand by those "strong" words. Having a loved one die is NOT the same circumstance this woman faced.

Crazy (3, Funny)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461904)

So, the Professors were deathly afraid of her morbid comments, which lead to her to be terminated as a student. I don't think she should have undertaken her commenting to that level. I just wish that the professors would just bury the hatchet and let her rest in peace.

Re:Crazy (2, Funny)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462144)

I think you've made a grave error if you believe your post will be modded up. More likely it will be buried 6 feet under.

Re:Crazy (1)

CrimsonAvenger (580665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462360)

So, the Professors were deathly afraid of her morbid comments, which lead to her to be terminated as a student.

Please read TFA. She hasn't been terminated as a student. She has been banned pending a hearing by the Office for Student Conduct and Academic Integrity, who will then decide whether this is important enough to terminate her.

Which latter is unlikely, considering that the police have already talked to her and decided there's nothing worth getting excited about.

personal responsibility (1, Redundant)

peter303 (12292) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461924)

Real adults take repsonsibility for their actions and words no matter on or offline.

Re:personal responsibility (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30461996)

Real adults also recognize that venting doesn't constitute a threat. Unfortunately, we don't have a society of real adults, we have a society of paranoid, litigious cowards.

Frankly, though, I think this is a good thing. Sooner or later, everyone is going to have embarrassing material about themselves available online, and then maybe we can accept that we're all a bunch of irrational monkeys, lighten the fuck up a bit, and get on with life.

Re:personal responsibility (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462080)

And she was a morbituary student making pertinent jokes about her major. I really don't see the story here, let alone your idea she has to take responsibility for people misinterpreting her words. Maybe those paranoid professors know something we don't, which we cannot even speculate on. Until that information (beyond what is written about) is given to us, we cannot judge. If, and I write this hypothetically, she was mentally unstable and what she wrote just happened to be construable with jokes, then this might be justified. But what we know only says to me "mobid sense of humor fits morbituary student," and that I will be well prepared if I ever meet one.

Re:personal responsibility (1)

vcgodinich (1172985) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462118)

So you feel that the professors are taking responsibility for destroying a person's college career because she was emotional after a breakup?

Please. There was no threat here. You mean to tell me that you have never said anything, even as a joke (embalming therapy) that could be taken out of context and interpreted to imply physical violence? You are fooling yourself.

Re:personal responsibility (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462292)

She's going into mortuary work. She damned well better be a calm and level headed professional in everything she does publicly that touches on her job.

Go catch an episode of Family Plots - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Plots [wikipedia.org] - for how folks are supposed to act.

New medium, Old news (1)

228e2 (934443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461936)

A student made threatening statements and was barred from going to the place where she admitted she will preform said actions. Nothing new.

It was made on her public fb profile (private or public doesnt actually matter) would hold the same weight if she were to write it in her non-digital diary I would say.


But on a lighter subject, I think a 29 year old would be too old to 'rage' like that over facebook. Something I would expect out of a high schooler =\

Re:New medium, Old news (1)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462042)

Growing old is mandatory. Growing up is not. If you think 29 years of age is enough to instill maturity on its own, then you don't get out much.

Re:New medium, Old news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462064)

A student made threatening statements and was barred from going to the place where she admitted she will preform said actions.

Umm, just curious - exactly how did you go from "threatening statements" to "will preform" (sic).

That's a pretty damn big leap, comrade.

For whatever reason? (4, Insightful)

Deosyne (92713) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461956)

"For whatever reason, this professor took it personally."

Hrm, was it the part about stabbing, "a certain someone in the throat with a trocar," or maybe the part about spending, "the evening updating my 'Death List #5' and making friends with the crematory guy," all in the context of, "looking forward to Monday's embalming therapy?" And yet the dumb bitch actually doesn't get it. Being pissy is one thing, making very specific public remarks about killing someone and disposing of the body, on the other hand, pretty much guarantees a visit by the po-po, and not to pat you on your angsty little head and tell you it's going to be OK.

Re:For whatever reason? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462084)

Not to mention that this whole thing just gives me the willies.
I mean just how creepy of a story can you get than this.

Re:For whatever reason? (1)

PincushionMan (1312913) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462318)

Yes, but wasn't the boyfriend in the class? Why would she slice-n-dice a random teacher? Unless she introduced them.

Pathetic... (0, Troll)

jaymz404 (1699842) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461978)

That is rediculous. In a land of free speech... How many times have people said in a state of rage, "I want to kill him"... they don't actually mean it, they just say it. That is fucking pathetic, and I hope she can find some good legal representation and sue the University because that is an absolute joke, everyone has emotions and sometimes they get the better of you, to deny that is denying your own humanity. Absolute joke.

Re:Pathetic... (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462172)

Yeah, but you don't say that kind of stuff publicly.

Would you say "I want to kill him..." If there were 3 police officers right beside you?

The only ridiculous thing about this is her actions. Free speech or not, Fake death threats or not, what she did was just plain stupid. Cry to yourself, not the world. Because only the government listens.

what happened to her PC? (0, Offtopic)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | more than 4 years ago | (#30461986)

I thought the standard operating procedure was to shoo three bullet through her laptop. What happened to that? Once the laptop is shot the person would have been rendered harmless and she could attend class with the embalming tool,

A good life lesson for her (5, Insightful)

Dutch Gun (899105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462010)

Consider this one to grow on, Amanda. Don't publicly threaten to stab others in the throat with an embalming knife. It makes people nervous.

According to the article, the Ms. Tatro complained that for whatever reason, the professor was "taking it personally". Excuse me? She was talking very explicitly about her "Death List #5" and what exactly she would do with her very sharp instrument the following Monday in class.

How is a professor to know who is "just ranting" and who might be mentally unbalanced? I say, a prudent move by the prof.

Re:A good life lesson for her (1)

cellurl (906920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462092)

I agree.
If you stick someones face in something, you have to expect consequences.
Eg, if you do it in your front lawn [or facebook] you have to expect consequences.

25 Mph [wikispeedia.org]
-jim

it might seems unfair (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462034)

I am sure that everyone is going to say how unfair this is, and I am not sure it is not, but let's look at the facts.

First, in most higher education setting, one is there at the pleasure of the faculty. Even though we pay tuition, we pay for the privilege or working with these people. I am sure many will say that we just pay for the hours so we can get a sheet of paper, but the fact is that the educational process and relationship with professors are still important.

Second, the other students at the University are also paying for the education, and, unlike high school, should not have to be distracted by these unstable personalities.

Third, this is not some teenager. This is a pretty much fully grown adult that expects to work in the delicate field of the end of life industry. Even if she is just going to working in basement of some country morgue, I would hope that such a person would at 29 years old have other coping strategies than threatening to kill someone who terminates a relationship. I mean really, if she goes postal when her boyfriend walks out, what will happen after her fourth autopsy of the day?

Not to speak of things I know nothing about, but maybe the facbook message was just a pretext. Maybe her profs have been pushing her away from the field for a while now.

Re:it might seems unfair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462298)

She didn't try to stab him in the throat. She didn't lay out any plans to stab him in the throat. She never even made threats that she would stab him in the throat. She didn't "go postal." She vented. On facebook we have a thing going around that says "Dear Grim Reaper,

So far this year, you have taken away my favorite dancer, Michael Jackson, my favorite actor, Patrick Swayze, my favorite actress, Farrah Fawcett, my favorite comedian, Soupy Sales, my favorite pitchman, Billy Mays and my favorite sidekick, Ed McMahon.

Just so you know, my favorite politician is Gordon Campbell.

Thank you!"

  Do you think the original poster of that is getting hauled off by the police?

George Lucas raped my childhood (2, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462050)

And I do believe I was a minor during that childhood. If someone said it on the net it has to be taken seriously. I'm holding my breath waiting for the police to take Mr. Lucas into custody or, at the very least, Chris Hansen to ask him to have a seat.

If I ran a college (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462086)

I would ban students for merely having a Facebook account (or at least for attempting to access it using college bandwidth).

Anyone who spends any significant amount of time on that utter e-cesspool of amateur gossip queens attention seekers and other undesirable groups of society who for some reason can't or refuse to socialise in real life can't possibly have the bare minimum of intelligence required to be in college.

'Less of course they were building an app in order to make money from the said horde of idiots, then I would encourage them

Re:If I ran a college (1)

Changa_MC (827317) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462208)

Um.. you do realize that the majority of the drama queens and undesirables are college students, right? You can get a bigger dose of drama by hanging out in the quad, banning facebook wouldn't change a thing.

You'd go out of business (1)

six11 (579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462382)

I would ban students for merely having a Facebook account

You would probably not be able to attract students or faculty in sufficient numbers to stay open. Sure, Facebook wastes a hell of a lot of time. But so does Slashdot. And I could point you to specific instances where I learned something that was of professional, academic relevance to my work on both Facebook and Slashdot.

We're still trying to figure out how newfangled media works. The first thing anybody does with any new technology is find the most gratuitous possible activities that you couldn't really do before. Social media is in the gratuitous-pointlessness phase right now, but I guarantee you it will mature into something of value.

Obligitory Minority Report comparison. (1, Troll)

ground.zero.612 (1563557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462114)

So, thinking about committing a crime is now the same as actually committing a crime?

I'm NOT posting anonymously because I live in Minnesota, and I'm going to say "I am thinking about stabbing the U of M Campus Police, as well as the Professor Dipshit that called them about this."

I fucking DARE you to come harass me over this post. I FUCKING DARE YOU.

Now Kids (0)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462166)

Repeat after me:

"The Internet is not Private"
"The Internet is not Private"

Why for God's sake have children become so stupid that they cannot comprehend that making threats on the Internet is no different then making them in a mall? The bathroom stall has a latch on it for "privacy" but yelling "I will kill everyone in this mall" is still gonna land you in jail for making threats.

Sterilize this moron so she cannot breed, we need to slow down the Idiocracy here pretty soon...

It's not Facebook that's the problem (1)

MattskEE (925706) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462170)

If you say things like that you need to be careful of your audience. This applies whether or not you are joking. If she had said it out loud and the wrong person overhead, the same thing would have happened. Posting it on Facebook just means that all 300 of her "friends" can "overhear" her - and maybe more depending on her privacy settings.

When will people learn... (1)

gizmo2199 (458329) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462214)

    Facebook is not your Personal Army!

mortuary science student? (1)

SteveWoz (152247) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462260)

She was considering an extra-curricular project.

Look... (2, Insightful)

AdamTrace (255409) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462266)

If she actually DID the kill the poor sap, and we find out that she posted about it beforehand on her FB page, everyone would be up in arms... "Why didn't someone do something about it? This could have been prevented!"

We can't have it both ways.

She should get counseling, fast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462268)

Someone who has expressed specific thoughts about hurting others is a danger to the public. She should be detained for psychiatric evaluation for 30 days as a precaution.

Is anyone else... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30462278)

Is anyone else turned on right now?

What did you expect? (1)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30462346)

Facebook.

Working as intended.

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