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Microsoft Promises Not To Sue Moonlight 2.0 Users

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the even-the-stars-above dept.

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darthcamaro writes "Moonlight 2.0, Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework, is now available and comes with a new patent promise from Microsoft. Any Linux user can use it now without worrying about being sued: '"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com. "We're now increasing the reach of the agreement — Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell's customers now extends to redistributors."'"

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What if... (-1, Redundant)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476824)

What if I already wasn't worried about being sued because my country doesn't recognise software patents

Re:What if... (0, Troll)

fulldecent (598482) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476962)

>> What if I already wasn't worried about being sued because my country doesn't recognise software patents

Then you can add extradition, police acting in extralegal ways and WIPO to the list of things you don't worry about.

Re:What if... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477632)

This is stupid. Extradition does not apply to patnets. Patents are civil law and extradition is limited to criminal procedure.

However the gist is correct, if you violate a patent issued outside your country and do business outside your country, you are liable to be sued and go through a most painful and expensive process.

Note however that YMMV depending on what countries have what trade agreements with what other countries.

Re:What if... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477688)

Then you should worry about the B52's .

Re:What if... (1)

jittles (1613415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477710)

Then you should worry about the B52's .

But... the love shack...

Netflix (1)

solszew (130449) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476852)

Does this mean that I can finally watch Netflix streams on Linux??

Re:Netflix (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30476986)

No. Moonlight does not currently support DRM.

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477182)

Then why the hell would I want it? What else uses Silverlight?

Re:Netflix (2, Funny)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477240)

Windows Update.

So, yeah, no much.

Re:Netflix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477298)

The New Bing Maps [bing.com] , for Microsoft's version of Street View.

Re:Netflix (2, Insightful)

wile_e8 (958263) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477672)

My alma mater's sporting event internet streams recently moved to CBS All-Access, and I've been missing out on them since All-Access uses Silverlight. I've been trying the Moonlight 2.0 betas though, and they still don't work, probably because the site is using Silverlight 3.0. And I'm sure that Moonlight 3.0 will come out just after All-Access moves to 4.0.

Re:Netflix (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477812)

If they use the built in drm moonlight will not ever work, MS refuses to give them the drm pack.

They don't want working support for linux, just the ability to claim cross platform support.

We won't sue you... (1, Insightful)

CityZen (464761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476868)

until we change our mind.

Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?

Re:We won't sue you... (5, Informative)

Gwala (309968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476882)

Estoppel?

Re:We won't sue you... (1)

m.ducharme (1082683) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477114)

And by this point, maybe laches as well.

Re:We won't sue you... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477124)

The Nazi's have nothing to do with this.

Way to godwin the thread.

Re:We won't sue you... (4, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477352)

Then why make a promise in the first place, just make it free. There's a reason behind this "promise."

Re:We won't sue you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477594)

It's the same as it's always been, to lay FUD on linux vendors that aren't Novell.

Re:We won't sue you... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30476938)

*Yawn* The '90s called, it wants its GNU revolution back.

Re:We won't sue you... (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476960)

I am not a lawyer. I dont think that kind of tactics goes well with the Judge. It also brings a bad rep from MSs customers. I do not think MS will do that kind of thing. There are other ways to achieve the same thing like by implementing features that are not supported in other platforms.

Re:We won't sue you... (2, Insightful)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477222)

Like MS will really care about what a US Judge will say considering how "harshly" they where punished for using their monopoly to stifle, cripple and/or destroy competition in the USA. Even to the point of putting code in Windows to generate fake error messages, remember DR-DOS/Win 3.1?

As to MS customers, like Joe Idiot Public will even notice, much less care, what MS does to f*ck over Linux. For the most part JIP doesn't even know there is ANYTHING besides Windows. Seriously, I once read a post on another tech board claiming that OX10.x was nothing but an app running on top of Windows. I hope he was a Troll but I doubt it. As long as he can email his mistress, manage his Fantasy Football team and surf porn you will not hear a peep from them no matter what MS does.

Re:We won't sue you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477512)

So in other words as long as computers do what they need to do, why care about politics. Sounds like a sound stance to me.

Re:We won't sue you... (1, Flamebait)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476972)

Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?

Nothing

Re:We won't sue you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477052)

actually, depending on who it comes from, couldn't it be considered a verbal contract?

Re:We won't sue you... (2, Interesting)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477488)

Verbal contracts don't mean sh&t in modern business since they are open to "selective memory" or "contextual interpretation" of a statement.

They may be fine for getting someone to mow your lawn but for anything else, especially anything involving a MegaCorp, if its not in writing its not binding.

Re:We won't sue you... (3, Insightful)

Coriolis (110923) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477070)

Estoppel. Seriously. It would really help the tone of this endlessly recurring argument if people would just look this one up.

Re:We won't sue you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477218)

Estoppel. Seriously. It would really help the tone of this endlessly recurring argument if people would just look this one up.

It would probably help even more if you told us what it meant.

Re:We won't sue you... (3, Informative)

natehoy (1608657) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477326)

Here, looked that up for you on m-w.com:

estoppel
One entry found.

Main Entry: estoppel
Pronunciation: \e-stä-pl\
Function: noun
Etymology: probably alteration of Anglo-French estopere stopping, from estoper
Date: 1531

: a legal bar to alleging or denying a fact because of one's own previous actions or words to the contrary

define:estoppel (2, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477374)

Estoppel. [...] look this one up.

It would probably help even more if you told us what it meant.

Let me Google that for you [lmgtfy.com] .

Re:We won't sue you... (1)

sys.stdout.write (1551563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477584)

Promissory estoppel is a theory of obligation where if one makes a promise and should reasonably expect detrimental reliance on the part of the promisee, then the promise is binding to the extent necessary to prevent injustice.

In this case, Microsoft would not be able to recover for patent infringement. It is less clear what happens when they revoke the promise, but certainly nothing done prior to revocation would create liability.

Note that this promise was only made for Moonlight users. Thus, if Apple, for instance, decided to make a Moonlight clone then they still reserve the right to sue for that.

Re:We won't sue you... (1)

ThatsLoseNotLoose (719462) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477262)

Or how about you try to be helpful instead of snarky and give a one-line summary definition:

Reliance-based estoppels—These involve one party relying on something the other party has done or said.

Re:We won't sue you... (1)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477362)

This is /.

We don't have time to RTFA and you expect us to look up something because you didn't bother to add a link [wikipedia.org] ?

Re:We won't sue you... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477146)

We won't sue you...

but we'll sue your WIFE, your KIDS, your GRAND-MOTHER and EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY!!!!!

Re:We won't sue you... (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477310)

We won't sue you...but we'll sue your WIFE, your KIDS, your GRAND-MOTHER and EVERY MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY!!!!!

Okay, but you'll have to wait until they come out of RIAA court.

Re:We won't sue you... (4, Funny)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477246)

Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?

Lando Calrissian?

Re:We won't sue you... (2, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477818)

"Really, what's to prevent them from waiting until the tech is firmly embraced, then changing the deal?"

A broad-reaching statement that they wouldn't sue?

I'm sure someone would bring it up in court if they did sue.

Wonderful Marketing (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30476904)

Please use our format, even if we didn't sell you anything to view it, we promise we won't sue!

Now that's marketing in action.

Doesn't anybody proof read? (4, Insightful)

lolwhat (1282234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476908)

"Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft."

That's Great! (3, Funny)

okmijnuhb (575581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476944)

I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.

Re:That's Great! (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477228)

And I promise not to cross the street and pee on him if he's on fire.

Re:That's Great! (2, Funny)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477244)

I, in turn, promise not throw a chair at Steve Ballmer's head.

Yes, but like TFA contract, there are plenty of loopholes if you think hard enough. For example, that doesn't exclude throwing his head at a chair.
   

Re:That's Great! (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477778)

...or paying someone else to throw it.

Re:That's Great! (1)

PinkyGigglebrain (730753) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477604)

Of course that leaves open the keyboard, monitor, mouse, pens, stapler, glasses, letter opener, and anything else in reach, much easier to throw accurately too.

Marketing Message? (4, Funny)

quangdog (1002624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30476974)

Just how effective is it to hear "use our stuff - we won't sue!" as the marketing message?

Guess it's time to try a little test...

I promise not to sue anyone who buys my iphone apps [incredicode.com] .

There. We'll see how that works out for me.

*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming flames*

Re:Marketing Message? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477064)

The fact that a trailing forwardslash on the URL you posted causes me to search for the real page does not inspire confidence in your products.

Re:Marketing Message? (1)

syphax (189065) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477080)

If you're going to (somewhat cleverly) slip an ad for your stuff in here, you may want to make sure the URL doesn't 404. Here you go [incredicode.com]

Re:Marketing Message? (1)

sexconker (1179573) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477348)

I see you've fixed the 404 error.
After bringing my Firefox process to its knees, (I can either blame you, quicktime, or Firefox - I choose all three), your site states:

"Have you ever stared up at the clouds and been transfixed by the shapes you saw? Faces, cars, furniture - a seemingly endless parade of wispy representations of everyday objects. inPictures captures this same spirit of visual perception, shape recognition, and imagination."

Yet your application is the reverse of that.
You're showing people a known object (up close) and then asking them to find out what it is.

I'm not shitting on your application, mind you.
In fact, I like the concept. I've liked it ever since I was a wee tot and saw a better version of it on Mr. Wizard.

Now if your application included scoring, support for multiple players (pass the iPhone, or a web-based lobby system), and a zoom out feature, it would be awesome.

What would make me PAY money for the thing (if I had an iPhone) would be the ability to submit my own images. Of course, you'd only ever get images of genitalia and poop, and you'd never get the damn thing approved for the app store.

Re:Marketing Message? (1)

quangdog (1002624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477734)

Now if your application included scoring, support for multiple players (pass the iPhone, or a web-based lobby system), and a zoom out feature, it would be awesome. What would make me PAY money for the thing (if I had an iPhone) would be the ability to submit my own images. Of course, you'd only ever get images of genitalia and poop, and you'd never get the damn thing approved for the app store.

A new version with scoring is pending review in the app store right now. I love the idea of the "pass the phone" concept for multi-player - I'll consider adding it. Zoom out could be very cool as well, if implemented well.

As for adding your own images - This was one of the first ideas I had, but shot it down nearly immediately for the same reasons you suggest.

Thanks for the feedback!

Re:Marketing Message? (2, Funny)

mr_lizard13 (882373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477370)

*ducks under the desk for cover from the coming chair*

There, fixed that for you.

IT'S A TRAP! (3, Insightful)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477000)

Without the DRM pack it is totally worthless. Plus it is far behind silverlight.

IT'S A TRAP!

Re:IT'S A TRAP! (3, Insightful)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477456)

We promise not to sue you, but we won't promise not to put in something proprietary and usage encumbering later.

Sod Off Microsoft (4, Insightful)

segedunum (883035) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477022)

I'm not the slightest bit interested. The only time I've ever used Silverlight is when I've watched SkyTV online in the UK as a media thingy for your browser. It doesn't interest me elsewhere (and I doubt whether that alone will sustain it long-term), as any kind of 'new' development platform (ActiveX 2.0?) and I'm certainly not interested in using it on non-Windows platforms because said media stuff doesn't work regardless. Just stop trying to legitimise Silverlight on other platforms because you aren't gaining any traction and stop using it to legitimise all of your patent bullshit. Anyone who works under that kind if duress, from a competitor no less, is stir-fry crazy.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (4, Insightful)

poetmatt (793785) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477154)

nobody is interested. It isn't compatible with major apps that have been forced to use silverlight (as those use the latest version - not this moonlight 2.0), so from a user side there's 0 reason to use the stuff. Additionally, there's still a lack of other licensing and silverlight is a bunch of shit in general, and thankfully when HTML5 adoption comes around all of this garbage will be gone.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (1)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477412)

when HTML5 adoption comes around all of this garbage will be gone.

I'm curious as to what makes you so sure that's going to happen in a meaningful way.

I'm not saying that Flash will be the dominant tech of its kind forever, but I wouldn't bet that it won't still be in five years.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477426)

Posting to undo an accidental negative moderation. A few positive mods are also going to be lost. But 100 positive mods can be lost, but one undeserving negative mod should not be allowed to stand. That is my policy. Should be careful in handling the mouse in future.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (1)

mister_playboy (1474163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477592)

Did it work? I'm still unclear on whether you have to be logged in to undo moderation, or if it is IP based.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30478280)

You have to be logged in to undo the mod. I chose to post as anonymous because modders are supposed to remain anonymous. I saw the redundant mod removed from the OP. So it worked. Wasted about three points because of my carelessness. Two positives and one (accidental) neg. The OP will get notification that a negative mod was undone due to subsequent posting. That would confirm that the system is working correctly.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (1)

clampolo (1159617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477496)

when HTML5 adoption comes around all of this garbage will be gone.

I have my doubts about html5. They'll just bury it the way they've successfully buried SVG by refusing to support it in IE.

Re:Sod Off Microsoft (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477832)

so from a user side there's 0 reason to use the stuff

Currently. Promises like the one made today could encourage companies like Netflix to make their streaming service compatible with Moonlight. If services are made compatible with Moonlight, users will have a reason to use the stuff.

thankfully when HTML5 adoption comes around all of this garbage will be gone.

100% false. HTML5 does not give content producers the DRM that Microsoft's platform does. Say what you want about DRM, and I hate it as much as anyone here, but without it, services like Netflix's Watch Now would not exist. The content producers would never allow Netflix to stream their content if it was trivially easy to save that content for future viewing or sharing with others. Silverlight isn't 100% resistant to ripping, but it makes ripping hard enough that the content companies will allow streaming. HTML5 does nothing to change that. HTML5 will be great for people that want to freely share content with the world. Those who want more control need something else.

Great File Upload (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477854)

Well, I use it to upload massive (I mean massive) files over Web Services. I've tried Flash, a downloadable Windows application, a Java Web Start application, a downloadable Java application, ActiveX plugins etc. etc. etc.

The best way to upload large files in the browser is Silverlight right now...

Flash (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477042)

This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively. Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux. I think this is good. Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.

Re:Flash (4, Insightful)

mdm-adph (1030332) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477282)

That's nice -- why don't Microsoft just release a version of Silverlight for Linux, themselves? Why depend upon some other group? Sure doesn't make me confident in Silverlight/Moonlight's future prospects for maintenance on Linux, that's for sure.

Re:Flash (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477994)

Well Microsoft (with Intel) is going to release Silverlight 3 for Linux (more specifically Moblin) in 2010.

source:
http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/intel-and-microsoft-announce-collaboration-to-provide-great-experiences-for-atom/

Re:Flash (2, Insightful)

DoofusOfDeath (636671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477286)

This helps them to compete with flash much more effectively. Now they are putting rest on doubters to use it on linux. I think this is good. Also, this helps Adobe to work hard on developing much better support for Linux.

And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?

Just how much peace/love/flowers/self-restraint Microsoft's legal department will have once they no longer need to woo users away from Flash?

Re:Flash (2, Insightful)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477422)

And what do you think will happen if/when MS succeeds in pushing Flash out of the marketplace?

If Microsoft succeeds in making Silverlight match Flash feature-for-feature, people who want to make cartoons on Newgrounds won't have to pay $700, go back to school to qualify for academic pricing, or commit copyright infringement to get a copy of Flash anymore.

Re:Flash (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478262)

And newgrounds will only work on windows PCs.

Far better would be if those folks used open source solutions for making cartoons.

Re:Flash (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477564)

Without the latest features and the DRM pack, moonlight is useless. This is just EEE.

Microsoft Marketing (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477060)

That's Microsoft Marketing at its best, isn't it? "Use stuff compatible with ours, we promise we won't sue you."

Silverlight... Like Flash, but shittier. (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477076)

I thought we had hit rock bottom with Flash. I mean, it's one of the shittiest plugins around. Half the time it crashes your browser, and the other half of the time it typically doesn't work. When it does, it's used more often than not for stupid and annoying ads.

Then Microsoft, not to be outdone, unleashes the shit that is known as Silverlight. Not only is it less portable than Flash, but it runs even slower, if you can imagine that! XAML is a fucking joke. It's SVG gone stupid, like only Microsoft can make something go stupid. And they throw in DRM, just to sour the deal even further.

We don't need this sort of pure feces included in any Linux distro. Keep that sort of shit away from my computer, thanks.

Weird world we live in (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477108)

That we have a (rather legitimate) concern of being sued for the arrangement of bits we have access to.

Not a prob (3, Insightful)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477138)

The problem is not being sued.

The problem is that we don't necessarily want this MS-driven environment to become popular among devs.

Re:Not a prob (1)

Vahokif (1292866) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478206)

Why not? It's better than Flash, and has better runtimes than Flash on all platforms. You can make a point about getting rid of plugins in general but Adobe isn't any better than Microsoft.

Does it cover users of other FOSS OSes? (5, Interesting)

joelsherrill (132624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477152)

The summary specifically says Linux and the article linked to doesn't expand that statement. What about running it on *BSD, Haiku, Minix, RTEMS, etc.? Reading a quote in the article carefully says "redistributors". What is a redistributor? A Novell reseller?
As a result of today's expansion of that deal, Moonlight users will enjoy protection under the patent covenant regardless of whether they're using Novell's (NASDAQ: NOVL) Linux distro or another distributor's.
"A really important change in how the community and individuals will see and use Moonlight is a change and extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users," Brian Goldfarb, director of Web and user experience platforms at Microsoft, told InternetNews.com. "We're now increasing the reach of the agreement -- Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors."

The first sentence is the author's so reflects their interpretation. The second is a Microsoft person who uses the phrase "not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors". So who does that actually cover?

Wont end up on any system i use or support. (0)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477162)

Mono still wont end up on any system i support or manage. If Microsoft wants Silverlight on Linux they have to release their own official client. Moonlight is still crap, buggy and hopelessly behind Silverlight.

The funny thing is that Microsoft already have promised a Silverlight port to Linux through maemo but with de Iqaza helping them implementing the mono trap in Linux they wouldnt dream of stopping that stupid implementation.

The worst thing you can do in the computing world is play nice with Microsoft. Countless of companies along the roadside is proof of that.

Look at this from another perspective... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477198)

If somebody starts screaming "NO! I'M NOT GOING TO KILL YOU" what should you do? I don't know about you, but I'm running as fast as hell away from that person.

I don't know what to beleive (4, Insightful)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477212)

When Steve Balmer says "Fucking Eric Schmidt is a fucking pussy. I'm going to fucking bury that guy, I have done it before, and I will do it again. I'm going to fucking kill Google." [battellemedia.com] we are not supposed to believe this is an actual threat, but when he says "we won't sue you", we're supposed to believe he's telling the literal truth?

Re:I don't know what to beleive (1)

Vahokif (1292866) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478228)

Yes, because it's legally binding.

Clearly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477234)

IT'S A TRAP!!!

perhaps... (2, Interesting)

i.r.id10t (595143) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477254)

Perhaps Linux users would feel better if Microsoft was actually hosting the downloads, etc? Maybe pay for a token part time developer?

Lies, damn lies, statistics, & Microsoft promi (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477256)

I'll start believing Microsoft when they change the slogan for their new operating system to: Windows 7 -- At least it doesn't suck as much as Vista!

Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics, & Microsoft pr (1)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477316)

I'll start believing Microsoft when they change the slogan for their new operating system to: Windows 7 -- At least it doesn't suck as much as Vista!

They've used that for every new release so far. Why stop now?

Re:Lies, damn lies, statistics, & Microsoft pr (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477444)

There's an Apple ad [apple.com] for that!

im gonna seu M$ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477274)

My son seen a naked pic of bill gates on bing, he wont even talk no more. Im scared shitless

Redistributors only or forks too? (4, Interesting)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477292)

What happens to developers? Just in case, we fork out Novell's moonlight tree because they got bought by someone (*cough* mysql, *cough*), will the conventant apply to us? Or does it only apply to code written by Novell & redistributed by others? Does this indirectly kill the freedom to modify & redistribute? like that firefox logo thing?

Alright, I admit it, I do have an axe to grind against silverlight (and flash too, I guess). But this covenant just goes on to establish precedent in terms of patent coverage ... (yes, note my domain, I've been through this before).

Spam or Publicity? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477340)

If you think this new is... spam it's because you read this two words in the same paragraph: "Microsoft" and "promise". Who can trush such new?

If you think this new is... publicity it's beacuse you read this: "extension to the patent covenant that Microsoft provides to Novell and its end users". AKA: don't wrote your own "moonlight" or you'll be sued.

Truth? This' just trash.

Missing Tag (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477350)

thatsnomoon

That's nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477454)

Still I don't trust Microsoft and I have plentiful good reasons for not doing so. Thus I have no intention of ever installing Mono and would strongly discourage anybody else from using it.

What about corporate developers or commercial use? (5, Informative)

greed (112493) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477590)

Hmmm....

As was (once again) pointed out on Groklaw recently, this sort of language is a restriction that is incompatible with the GPL [groklaw.net] . (GPLv2 section 6, much more explicit about patents in GPLv3 section 11.)

Far safer to avoid Microsoft patented technology than to rely on such a promise.

doesn't matter? (1)

Eil (82413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477664)

A promise is not legally binding, right? TFA doesn't provide much detail but I'm a bit skeptical that the Moonlight EULA says anywhere in it, "we will not sue you for using this software."

Perhaps a legal-type person can shine some light (pun!) on the situation.

Tremendous! (1)

xoundmind (932373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477694)

I hereby promise to you Moonlight on any my Linux machines. So we're cool, right?

Because no one else would sign... (1)

TemporalBeing (803363) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477834)

...so Microsoft amends Novell's agreement to include most other distributions....

Microsoft's commitment not to sue Novell or Novell customers now extends to redistributors.

Hmm...may be its the technology? Perhaps no in else is interested in it?

is this what it's come to? (1)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477920)

"You can use this software and not worry about us suing you."

You just can't look at that sentence and not think the whole industry needs to be torn down and rebuilt on new principles. Whether it's the fact that Microsoft and Novell are glad to make such a proclamation, or the fact that someone can be sued for using software to begin with, or the fact that I can get sued by company Y for using company X's product or even if that isn't possible the fact that anyone might think it might be possible.

What kind of industry is this? I think I just grew a gland that secretes RMS ideology in my brain just from digesting that headline.

Where is the catch? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30477964)

The article does not contain an actual link to an actual Microsoft statement.

Before I buy this I want to see the actual statement and see legal analysis of iot to see what catches there are.

Examples:
If this is based on the Novell agreement then it only extends to Novell customers, not to all of linux.

If this is like the the Community Promise for Mono, then what prevents them from selling the patents to patent trolls to sue Moonlight users?

They already tried this once: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171589/open_source_group_buys_microsoft_patents_to_ward_off_patent_trolls.html
fortunately they sold to the wrong patent trolls.

Can I watch Sunday Night Football yet? (1)

PinchDuck (199974) | more than 4 years ago | (#30477984)

That is the only site that I care about that uses Silverlight. If I can, great. But I tried it last Sunday, with the latest update from the Ubuntu repositories, and I was instructed to install Silverlight. I feel much better that they won't sue me for using their bitch-slap technology to be prevented from watching content, though. I had been losing sleep over that.

Re:Can I watch Sunday Night Football yet? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478130)

Nope. MS refuses to give the moonlight folks the DRM pack. This will never happen, they want to claim interoperability but they don't want it to actually occur.

The Mac client will be left out in the cold soon enough. All MS software exists first and foremost to protect and ensure the windows desktop monopoly.

Moonlight 2.0 users, you're safe (1)

joeflies (529536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478086)

Moonlight 3.0 users, watch out

Includes Microsoft codec license (3, Interesting)

kriston (7886) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478108)

This element stood out for me:
"Moonlight includes the Microsoft Media Pack, which is a set of proprietary codecs that Microsoft has licensed from their own patent holders and makes available to Moonlight users, free of charge."

Re:Includes Microsoft codec license (2, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478190)

Also note that Novell will not distribute moonlight with the ffmpeg libs being used instead. They are too in bed with MS for them to allow the user to use truly free software.

In otter news... (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478128)

A document was found, that showed that Hitler promised not to attack other countries and leave the Jews alone.

Also the pope just revealed that he had a phone call with the devil, who promised not to take away your soul, if you sold it to him.

And now for something completely different... THE LARCH! ... a gourmet tree, and fine dam material.

Thank you for watching otter news!

P.S.: And you thought it was a typo... Ha! ^^

mangled first sentence. Copy editors needed? (1)

Quirkz (1206400) | more than 4 years ago | (#30478272)

What the hell kind of first sentence is that?

Moonlight 2.0, that's Novell's open source implementation of the Microsoft media framework in now available and with comes a new patent promise from Microsoft.

It reads like it's three sentences jammed together, it's missing a comma, and I assume "in" is supposed to be "is" and it's still an awkward sentence.

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