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After Berlusconi Attack, Italy Considers Web Censorship

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the streisand-should-charge-a-consulting-fee dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The Italian government has proposed introducing new restrictions on the Internet after a Facebook fan page for the man who allegedly attacked Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Sunday drew almost 100,000 users in under 48 hours. However, the planned clampdown on Internet hate speech sparked a heated debate over censorship and freedom of expression, leading Interior Minister Roberto Maroni to execute a partial U-turn."

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Control (5, Insightful)

JohnHegarty (453016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485366)

Must be very hard for Mr Berlusconi that there is media he doesn't control.

For anyone not familiar with Italy he already owns all the major tv stations and newspapers.

Italy defines FACISM !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485414)

It is what it is, and it's weird to be Italy !!

Re:Control (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485440)

All the major newspapers? As far as I know he owns Il Giornale. Could you name other newspapers he owns?

Re:Control (4, Informative)

emanem (1356033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485482)

Il Giornale
Libero (his ex-wife controls it but de-facto he is)
Oggi
Chi

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485604)

which is hardly "all major italian newspaper", obviouslt :/

This internet filtering nonsense is silly and shouldn't even be discussed, obviously.

Re:Control (4, Informative)

emanem (1356033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485658)

You missed the point sit. In Italy they don't sell many newspapers...btw he does control 35% of the biggest newspaper (Il Corriere) as well..
Anyway the majority of information is broadcast through TV which he controls (50% as prime minister) and owns (50% his own TV stations).
You sir, don't know what you're talking about.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485946)

He does control 35% of the biggest newspaper, il Corriere? No, he doesn't. And you obviously never read il Corriere or it would have been apparent even to you.
Quite on the contrary, Berlusconi owns/control a little share of the newspaper/magazine market. That Italians do not enjoy freedom of the press is routinely repeated on the same media that supposedly are in Berlusconi's hands.

Re:Control (2, Informative)

emanem (1356033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485700)

Btw sorry I got confused... he owns so many... :-P
Libero is owned by his brother Paolo
Il Foglio is owned by his ex-wife
and he owns (through his publishing company) ona of the biggest quotes of Il Corriere (the most famous italian newspaper)...

Re:Control (1)

pmontra (738736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486818)

Let's try to recap.

Paolo Berlusconi is the owner of Il giornale through a couple of companies. Does he owns also Libero? I couldn't research who's in the board of Editoriale Libero (the controlling company) but for sure it's a newspaper with positions quite close to Berlusconi.

Mrs Lario (wife of Berlusconi but about to be ex-wife) owns 38% of Il Foglio. I missed that, thanks.

But how about this supposed 35% share of Il Corriere? Il Corriere is owned by RCS Mediagroup and its shareholders are listed on Consob site [consob.it] . Which companies on the list belong to Berlusconi?

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485496)

what about, e.g., Libero ?

Re:Control (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485518)

He owns Il Giornale, via his brother Paolo. Il Foglio, it is owned by his recently divorcing wife. Mondadori, the biggest italian publisher, with a myriad of magazines, is in the hands of his daughter Marina. About the latter, he has just been sentenced guilty of taking over Mondadori by means of corruption back in 1990 and will have to pay 750 megaeuros. Mediaset is controlled by Piersilvio, his son, and owns 3 private national channels out of 7 plus a bunch of digital tv channels. Other than these, are the three national tv channels of RAI (state television) which is mostly controlled by the government.
If this is not enough, well... unfortunely he has way much more power than this...

by the way
what do ./ers think of the aggression itself? I mean... is it possible to have two broken teeth, broken nose, and a white shirt with no red stain?

Re:Control (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485734)

750 megaeuros

Is that really how they count euros? If not, it is too precious by half, and I implore you to stop it right now.

Re:Control (1)

xororand (860319) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486158)

Even if it's not the popular way to count currencies, it's certainly not a bad idea. How much is 1 billion again?

Re:Control (1)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486262)

How much is 1 billion again?

Very nearly enough for an intimate working lunch for 2 in Brussels, at least as far as expense claims go.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486166)

750 megaeuros

Is that really how they count euros?

No, it's not.

Re:Control (1)

dkf (304284) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485792)

Is it possible to have two broken teeth, broken nose, and a white shirt with no red stain?

It depends on how fast someone got in with something to mop up the blood. I guess that was pretty quick (the video of the events was pretty confused...) We also don't know the extent to which his teeth were damaged; "broken" might be a mistransation of (the Italian word for) "chipped" or "cracked".

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485838)

Yes, if there were no broken theeth and nose. The souvenir barely hit him, if you look at the videos you can see his head doesn't even move when it impacts. If somethings hits you with enough force to break 2 theeth and your nose, your head is bound to shake around like a springy-bouncing-head-car-thingy. Unless you're superman.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486018)

Berlusconi may own "just" some newspapers and other magazines, plus his TV networks, but he also owns some of the biggest advertising companies in Italy, which gives him nearly total control over what is being published. If a newspaper or TV station he doesn't own publishes some news he doesn't like, advertisers start magically fleeing away from there. It happened already.

Re:Control (4, Interesting)

migla (1099771) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485464)

On my to-watch-list, there's a recent-ish documentary about Berlusconis Italy, titled "Videocracy". http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1500516/ [imdb.com]

http://www.atmo.se/film-and-tv/videocracy/ [www.atmo.se] :

In a videocracy the key to power is the image.

In Italy one man only has kept the domination of the image over three entire decades. As a TV-magnate and then as Presidente, Silvio Berlusconi has created a perfect system of TV-entertainment and politics. [...] ...a remarkable story, born out of the scary reality of TV-republic Italy, a country where the step from TV-showgirl to Minister for Gender Equality is only natural.

Coming soon to a festival (or internet) near you!

Re:Control (3, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485782)

As far as controlling his image, his image didn't look so hot after he took a nice beating.

About 90 percent of the world was heartened to see that at least one single human was able to express to his political leader what he felt in a direct and honest manner, and in a way that the politician could not ignore.

The image of Berlusconi's well-fed and dissolute face all battered and bloody was a message to the world: There is yet hope.

Salute!

Re:Control (-1, Flamebait)

aurispector (530273) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485870)

Wow. For real, bloodthirsty hate it takes a leftist. If someone did that to obama you'd be screaming racism and calling for the perp to be imprisoned for life for hate crimes. Since Berlusconi's on the right, assault is A-OK.

Ever bother to examine the contradictions in your beliefs?

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486010)

People don't mind, if someone they don't like gets punched. News at 11.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486186)

lol - its not just that berlusconi is on the right, he's a filthy criminal.

you're the one who's deluded, just coz he's a right winger it seems its ok that he should be the most corrupt politician in recent european history and an incredibly vain swine.

throwing an alabaster statuette like that was a seriously glorious act, and it made me laugh everytime i saw the footage. probably always will.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486194)

As a leftie I'll tell you that if Obama was in bed with the Mafia, corrupted judges, silenced protesters, put criminals and dancers in power, wrote laws that take freedoms away from people and laws that protect him from prosecution, he would well deserve to be beaten. Or worse.

Re:Control (1)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486686)

Hate crimes are meh but that doesn't mean the fact that an attack motivated purely by the color of one's skin or choice of religion shouldn't be taken in account when it comes to sentencing.

That said, I can understand the feeling of having all options exhausted and all you have left is your fists (or a hammer [dslreports.com] or a bulldozer armored with concrete [youtube.com] ).

Re:Control (1)

HNS-I (1119771) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485912)

Nonsense, anyone with a brain was thinking that Berlusconi would be able to use this attack to his advantage immediately. This is not the way to change politics. I can't say feel sorry for him but I wouldn't wish him this attack. If you ask me the Italians get the premier they deserve, Berlusconi is promoting corruption from top to bottom and that is why the people keep him in power. At the end of the day it is the people who keep watching his tv-channels.

Re:Control (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486124)

To be entirely fair, there were some pages on faceboook theorizing the killing of Mr Berlusconi. Now some politician belonging to his political alliance (not him so, as Mr Berlusconi hasn't spoken yet) are taking advantage of what happened suggesting various censoring laws. It must also be stressed however that very few people on his coalition would speak without his consent as they could be politically and personally destroyed if they were not aligned to his will (for example one newspaper belinging to him destroyed the reputation of another newspaper director with charges of homosexuality and crimson)

Re:Control (1)

Shin-LaC (1333529) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486450)

There are three major players in the TV market in Italy: Rai, Mediaset and Sky.
  • Rai is owned by the state, and runs three major TV channels (Rai 1, Rai 2, Rai 3). The various parties exert some control on the different channels: it's not the case that the majority takes all. There is a parliamentary commission that watches over Rai, and it is controlled by the opposition.
  • Mediaset is owned by Berlusconi, and runs three major TV channels (Canale 5, Italia 1, Rete 4).
  • Sky is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and controls the entirety of the satellite TV market (the others use terrestrial broadcasting). It is the same size as Mediaset in terms of revenue, and is growing faster. Murdoch hates Berlusconi.

As for newspapers, the two main Italian papers are La Repubblica and Corriere della Sera.

  • La Repubblica is owned by Carlo De Benedetti, who hates Berlusconi. It follows a very strong anti-Berlusconi line.
  • Il Corriere is owned by a collection of financial and industrial interests. They don't like Berlusconi. The paper itself generally follows a moderate line. It officially endorsed Berlusconi's opponents in the past.
  • Berlusconi controls the newspaper Il Giornale, which is far smaller than Corriere or Repubblica. Libero, which is smaller yet than Il Giornale, supports Berlusconi, but is actually owned by a completely unrelated entrepeneur (Angelucci). Il Foglio is a tiny, tiny "opinion" paper owned by Berlusconi's divorcing wife.

There are other players in both the TV and newspaper market (especially the latter), but these are the most significant ones. To sum up, while Berlusconi has a larger control of the media than we would like, he does not "own all the major tv stations"; in fact, he doesn't even own half. The claim that he owns "all newspapers" is plain nonsense, he owns a small minority.

Another thing to bear in mind is that in Italy, as in most countries, educated people generally lean to the left. To make TV programs, or write news, you need artists and journalists, who mostly lean to the left. The only exception is Rete 4's news, but only old people watch it.

Hrmm (5, Insightful)

acehole (174372) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485370)

Just goes to show, politicians everywhere dont like a medium that allows the little guy to have a voice.

Re:Hrmm (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485500)

I'm sorry to say this, but there's an astonishingly high number of facts that show that your forecast is just wishful thinking. The first that comes to mind: the sex scandals of Noemi Letizia, D'Addario, the infamous Lodo Alfano. And these aren't nearly the worst ones, just the ones people know about, and just go "meh, we can't do anything about it".

Just so that you know: with astonishingly perfect timing, the "assault" helped covering the privatization of the Italian Army, hidden in the Finanziaria. No television obviously has spoken about it, and a google news search [google.it] brings up four (4) results about it.

If this Internet censhorship thing goes on, I'm confident it will easily be worked around by anyone with a little bit of computer knowledge, because they're too stupid to do things with the help from people that know what they're doing. But that's a puny consolation, because most of the people won't be willing/able to do what will be necessary to work around it.

I f$%&/n' hate being italian.

Re:Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485582)

I sadly confirm all of the above.

Re:Hrmm (2, Funny)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485824)

I f$%&/n' hate being italian.

You know paisan, I felt the same way after I saw that Jersey Shore TV show.

Disgrazia!

Re:Hrmm (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485662)

If you disagree with the current politician's policies, run on your own platform. Simple as that. If the population agrees with you, change occurs and problem solved. If you're actively censored, you can retaliate with force, and you should ultimately be supported by the courts if your efforts fail. Thoreau's Civil Disobedience and all that. Bitching about being put down by the man is worthless. i.e. Put Up or Shut Up :)

Re:Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485834)

What platform are you going to run on if you can't even get the word out?

Re:Hrmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485854)

you don't know the slightest thing about Italy and it's government, do you?

Re:Hrmm (0, Troll)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486434)

I'm not surprised Italy is having a problem with the internet after they sentenced Amanda Knox to 26 years [cnn.com] on 100% circumstantial evidence that would be laughable even for a TV drama [timesonline.co.uk] . What other BS do you want to do Italy? My wife wanted to go someday but not now, not ever.

They never learn (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485380)

OR, the Italian government could use this as an opportunity to gauge the public disapproval for their senior politicians.

If this were a nobody that was attacked (4, Informative)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485382)

The government would treat it just like any other case, even with such a facebook group.

It never ceases to amaze me how the government uses high-profile cases to grab at power and suppress the people while having their whole-hearted support of such measures. The patriot act comes to mind. (Which, btw, did nothing to stop Nidal Hasan from killing people.)

These type of things shows you the true stripes of those in power, and who should be voted out ASAP.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (3, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485448)

The Patriot Act is intended to focus on groups of people organizing to carry out a planned action. It doesn't do anything for single crazy acting on their own.

What allowed Nidal Hasan to kill people was rampant political correctness.

Whether what Nidal Hasan did constitutes terrorism is still open for debate. The typical things we identify with terrorism such as a political cause, message, or grievance is still unidentified. When a combatant buries an IED, we can assume that his issue is that the US leaves Iraq/Afghanistan. What's Nidal Hasan's gripe? His deployment? The US's role in the Middle East? Does anyone know? Does he even have one? When is an act terrorism and when is it just simple murder?

Is the shooting at Virginia Tech terrorism? Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (4, Interesting)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485488)

The Patriot Act is intended to focus on groups of people organizing to carry out a planned action. It doesn't do anything for single crazy acting on their own.

And yet the FBI had plenty of tips about the hijackers before the actual attack.

What allowed Nidal Hasan to kill people was rampant political correctness.

Perhaps it was simply the same bloated bureacracy that fail before 9/11, which got warning signs but the signals got lost in the chain of command because they're too busy spying on the emails of millions of others.

When is an act terrorism and when is it just simple murder?

Is the shooting at Virginia Tech terrorism? Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

Terrorism is a tactic designed to invoke a specific psychological reaction.

The way past US leadership uses it is a catch-all phrase to grab power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ [youtube.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zW8Bj1upbJQ [youtube.com]

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (1)

R2.0 (532027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486560)

"Perhaps it was simply the same bloated bureacracy that fail before 9/11, which got warning signs but the signals got lost in the chain of command because they're too busy spying on the emails of millions of others."

The GP was referring to the fact that Hasan's medical supervisors treated him differently because he was a Muslim and gave him third, fourth, and fifth chances that they would not have given other students.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (5, Insightful)

FuckingNickName (1362625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485504)

Or is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?

It is terrorism precisely when the word "terrorism" brings out the right sentiment in those listening to you.

The British were terrorising Catholics in Northern Ireland. The IRA were terrorising the English in London. The ANC was terrorising the white government in apartheid South Africa. The apartheid government was terrorising the black majority. Jews terrorised Arab villages and British hotels. Arabs terrorise Jewish women and children in marketplaces.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486832)

"The Patriot Act is intended to focus on groups of people organizing to carry out a planned action. It doesn't do anything for single crazy acting on their own."

Except that intelligence agencies and the FBI were already aware that Osama Bin Laden was planning something big, that members of his group had been traveling under false identities, and that at least two of them were in the United States prior to the attack. The President had been sent a memo that there was a very high likelihood that Osama Bin Laden's men would hijack airplanes as part of an attack on the United States.

Lack of intelligence gathering authority was not the problem. The problem was that a new administration was in power, and that administration was too busy firing people from the previous administration to bother listening to the warnings coming from the experts.

"is it only terrorism if the perpetrator is Muslim?"

It is only terrorism if you are fighting against the United States, our interests, or our allies and their interests. If you are fighting against a government we would be happy to see leave, you are a heroic freedom fighter; if you are fighting against a government we do not particularly care about, it is just a civil war. As soon as you start fighting against any US interest -- even the interests of private corporations -- you are a terrorist regardless of what color your skin is or what religion you practice.

Case in point: nobody is calling any of the parties to the war in Congo terrorists, even though they are brutally raping, maiming, and killing civilians. That is just a civil war, as far as the media is concerned. Now, when warlords in Afghanistan shoot at US soldiers, they are not simply an enemy army -- they are terrorists. They are terrorists because they are shooting at Americans. When they were shooting at Russians, they were freedom fighters. If they were shooting at each other, it would be a civil war.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (1, Informative)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485466)

The patriot act comes to mind. (Which, btw, did nothing to stop Nidal Hasan from killing people.)

Dear Citizen,

The Patriot Act was infact a great help it stopping Nidal Hasan from killing more people than he did! Infact, if we allow full wiretapping, remove all that paperwork that gets in the way of stopping police from stopping and searching you, as well as any probable cause requirements involved, this would never have happenned! It just turns out the soft liberal types, who are first to defend cartoon depictions of child pornography, obviously direct support for paedophiles I might add, which prevents us from keeping you safe from terrorists (You do remember 9/11 right?).

Our inability to stop and hold suspects without probable cause gives them time to destroy all evidence of there terrorist or paedophilic activities! This is why it is vital to detain them imediately so that such evidence can be found, and justice served! Won't you please think of the children?

Signed, Your bought Politician.

For those interested they can already do this in the UK, US I'm not so sure.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485614)

Sure the Patriot Act didn't help and was treasonous to pass in the first place, but neither did "liberal" policies such as gun control. It was making domestic military bases into gun-free zones that allowed Hasan to go around mowing down people without hindrance [reason.com] . More guns were most certainly the solution there and until people realize "gun-free-zone" translates into "sitting-duck-zone" this sort of thing will continue to happen. -1 off-topic, I know.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485616)

Telephone intercepts are not admissible evidence in UK courts.

Re:If this were a nobody that was attacked (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485644)

Ah yes, quite right, I should have added its mostly the detaining part.

Please Do It, Italy! (4, Insightful)

netsharc (195805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485392)

If they do go ahead with it, the serious backlash will surely bring down the Berlusconi regime. Or is this just wishful thinking? His media power has really brainwashed the majority of citizens there..

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485406)

It might possibly bring down the Berlusconi regime, but then it'll be Prodi's turn again and he'll fuck it up like always. Expect Silvio in power again after a nice little 6 month vacation.

The problem in Italy is not that people are "brainwashed" by Silvio, it's just that he sucks slightly less than the only other choice.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (3, Insightful)

mpe (36238) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485712)

The problem in Italy is not that people are "brainwashed" by Silvio, it's just that he sucks slightly less than the only other choice.

Having only two choices when the population of Italy is nearly 60 million sounds like the bigger problem :)

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486246)

What about a country with 300 millions and two choices?

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486776)

Having only two choices when the population of Italy is nearly 60 million sounds like the bigger problem :)

In the past, italians had so many "choices" (up to 13, in the early '90 if my memory serves me well) that the only way to governate this country was by coalitions formed after voting that broke up early and easily.

Italy had 38 prime ministers in 63 years of republic, that's slighly more than one year and a half per mandate. You can't do any serious long-term planning this way, and that's why italians went for a "2 parties way" in the early '90. Which apparently was somewhat better than before, but isn't really working, because in the end it's the same political parties as before (less the extreme leftist) grouped in two coalitions formed before voting, with one apparently holding together better than the other (likely because of the great influence Berlusconi has on traditional media and economics).

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486482)

The problem in Italy is not that people are "brainwashed" by Silvio, it's just that he sucks slightly less than the only other choice.

I keep hearing that a lot from right-wingers, almost as they are trying to justify themselves for voting someone as corrupt as Berlusconi.
I don't know if they really believe that.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (2, Interesting)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485420)

Wishful thinking. I have yet to see a backlash against proposed or actual censorship, even in countries that have a strong freedom of speech culture.

This little blip will not bring down Musso^H^H^HBerlusconi.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486378)

This little blip will not bring down Musso^H^H^HBerlusconi.

Musso is currently quite irrelevant... http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Musso

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485550)

I'm sorry to say this, but there's an astonishingly high number of facts that show that your forecast is just wishful thinking. The first that comes to mind: the sex scandals of Noemi Letizia, D'Addario, the infamous Lodo Alfano. And these aren't nearly the worst ones, just the ones people know about, and just go "meh, we can't do anything about it".

Just so that you know: with astonishingly perfect timing, the "assault" helped covering the privatization of the Italian Army, hidden in the Finanziaria. No television obviously has spoken about it, and a google news search [google.it] brings up four (4) results about it.

If this Internet censhorship thing goes on, I'm confident it will easily be worked around by anyone with a little bit of computer knowledge, because they're too stupid to do things with the help from people that know what they're doing. But that's a puny consolation, because most of the people won't be willing/able to do what will be necessary to work around it.

I f$%&/n' hate being italian.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485706)

Now I undestand the whining about thye mod system. the above post was incorrectly submitted as a reply to another post, but got modded +1 Informative anyway. The same post, copypasted here (the intended target), got modded -1 Redundant, even if the only thing that it had in common with the other posts was the confirmation of wishful thinking... duh.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485796)

Could be worse - you could be British :(

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (1)

tsa (15680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485598)

If the EU had any balls they would have kicked Italy out long ago because of Berlusconi's behaviour.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485718)

His media power has really brainwashed the majority of citizens there..

Sounds much like what the leader(s) of the United States are trying to do with their citizens. Poor America. They are slowing turning marxist/socialist, and according to the polls, 50% of the people don't seem to mind.

Sad.

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486074)

The actual reason Berluscon is able to stay in power is because Italy is full of goombahs and guidos who are too self-centered and clueless to do anything about this situation. In a real European country Berluscon's media network and political party would've been boycotted into oblivion long ago.

Instead the only viable alternative to Berluscon's administration is a left-wing coalition which makes the Socialist Party USA look like a bastion of free-market thinking. (For the record, it fielded candidates with a Commy background both in the 2008 PM election and in Italy's nomination for the EU's high representative. Eastern European countries especially were not impressed by the latter stunt.)

Re:Please Do It, Italy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486426)

you brainless little gimp - eastern europe has fallen apart since the fall of communism. not everyone wants to be sucking up to the west or the catholic church. wake up you deluded gimp!!!

Wrong response (4, Insightful)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485394)

The last thing you do is try and stop people from hearing about it. You make light of it, show it as not a big deal, and move on.

"Yeah, some guy hit me with a souvenir... Oh well, shit happens! The security guards are stepping it up a notch or two, but it's not like I was shot or anything. Thanks god, you know? Wouldn't want to leave my wife having to look for an inferior lover! Vote for me, you guys... I'm easy going."

And the world moves on.

Re:Wrong response (1)

laejoh (648921) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485404)

Eh, she's leaving him it seems. At least, that's what SHE SAID!

A partial U-turn (3, Funny)

Sarten-X (1102295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485396)

Usually, we just call that "turning left" (or right, depending on your country)

Re:A partial U-turn (1)

deepsky (11076) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485468)

In case of a right-wing government like this one, a partial U-turn is probably a left turn.

Re:A partial U-turn (1)

MrHanky (141717) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485480)

A J-turn or L-turn, depending on direction.

So this is how it is going to happen? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485470)

1. Create some incident. Any incident will do.
2. Blame it on people on the web. You can call them "terrorists", if necessary.
3. Censor the web. The more the better. Pass some bill overnight if necessary.
4. If someone in media raises questions about censorship, publish some irrelevant "scandal" to deflect public attention.
5. ???
6. Profit!

If that doesn't work completely, continue boiling the frog, rinse and repeat.

Surely profit, but not for us, folks. You are screwed, wherever on this Earth you are.

this reminds me... (1)

papabob (1211684) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485476)

I think it's in "Forever Peace" where the goverment nukes a city (Denver?) and acusses the then new 'nanotechnology' of the incident to take control over every production line and create a politicians-controlled monopoly.

Maybe in 50 years we discover that the attacker is a member of the AISI (italian intelligence agency); or maybe not, because the web would be controlled by government...

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485478)

If we'd get all the jokes and justifications here if Berlusconi was a "progressive" and the attacker an "extreme right-winger".......

Whenever I see a knee-jerk reaction.... (4, Interesting)

ibsteve2u (1184603) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485490)

Whenever I see a knee-jerk reaction by a government, the first thought that pops into my head is "Oh, my. Are they nuclear?"

It's All About CONTROL! (5, Insightful)

mrpacmanjel (38218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485492)

Governments *hate* the idea of people having too much freedom.

Why?
It means you'll start asking too many questions and governments don't like that!

It also means you become difficult to control.

How?
By keeping you fearful - global warming, recession, terrorism, nuclear arms and now the freedom of the Internet (terrorists and paedophiles use it)
These subjects in themselves are genuine concerns but governments have a knack of focusing on them and using them to conrol the general population. Usually by using extreme measures via law and policy legislation.

Web censorship is no different. Governments need us to be passive and compliant. Fortunately free speech is *impossible* to control it's part of who you are. You can censor or prohibit the *mechanisms* that express free speech but never "control" it.

Suppose Italy do censor the Internet and other countries follow. Do you really think that will be the end of it?

I don't think so.

If they start blocking web sites (probably at ISP level) then people will turn to encryption and deliver content that way. If encrypting the web becomes illegal then some other mechanism will manifest itself (e.g. bypassing the ISP entirely).

I hate to say this, but some form of government control is coming to the Internet whether you like it or not.

So, be prepared.

Re:It's All About CONTROL! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485560)

well the internet is owned by the us army so they can do whatever they want with it right now, it's just better for them if they don't

Re:It's All About CONTROL! (0, Redundant)

supernova_hq (1014429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485694)

Are you a completely moron, a troll or did I just get whooshed? Nobody owns the internet. Some people may own "pieces" of the internet, but nobody owns the Internet.

Re:It's All About CONTROL! (2, Interesting)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485630)

Freedom is not for you is you are not someone. That's it.

Who are italians (1)

emanem (1356033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485534)

Italians can be identified by these two songs:
Articolo 31 - Domani smetto
Articolo 31 - Italiano medio
You'll be perfectly able to understand what's going on if you listen to these songs...to bad I can't find a pre-made English translation..
Cheers,

Ps. I'm Italian

Re:Who are italians (1)

Katchu (1036242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485580)

Article 31 - Tomorrow I'll stop Article 31 - the average Italian

Re:Who are italians (0, Offtopic)

emanem (1356033) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485640)

I'll translate the (most significant parts of) second one that is more insightful:
Average Italian
...I remember old habits, social satire, today I'm trying to find Luttazzi (a satire comedian who has been censored by Berlusconi) on TV but can't
Anyway, I'm the good average italian citizen, I've updated my mobile ringtones, I drink a glass of wine with a panino and I'm happy if Costanzo (a showman) pretends to be funny in his show
I got an holy picture in the living room, I pray it just so I can win the lotto ... that will make me millionaire like Silvio (Berlusconi) with Paolo's (Berlusconi - his borther) newspaper and his controlled TV news (I had to render it like this because in Italian is said as a joke with names)
This year I've been poor but for two weeks I've pretended to be rich at Porto Cervo (one of the most posh area of Sardinia, where Gates & co. go every summer)
...
I don't care a lot about anything these days, I go to the shopping mall and my issue is where to park my car
But you know what? I don't care a lot because I'm Italian and I sing! Just give me TV shows...

Well I hope this gives you an idea about Italy and the average italian...

Sadly,

Fans (3, Insightful)

TimeElf1 (781120) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485576)

The Italian government has proposed introducing new restrictions on the Internet after a Facebook fan page for the man who allegedly attacked Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi on Sunday drew almost 100,000 users in under 48 hours.

Well that is a rather knee jerk reaction, last I checked Facebook was not for just people from Italy. Besides people will become fans of anything on Facebook, from beer, to Jeffrey Dahmer.

Good on you, Italy (1, Interesting)

Gadget_Guy (627405) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485600)

Good on you, Italy. At least you are being honest about why you would want to censor the net. None of the usual "terrorist pedophile" nonsense. Just a nice, simple message to the populous: "we don't want to hear from you, please go away".

However, since I am against censorship, I might have to reconsider the answer to my Simpson quote [slashdot.org] regarding asteroid targets from earlier today.

That's already in place. (3, Informative)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485620)

In Italy you are not allowed to reach some international websites, mainly related to betting.
You get directed to a generic web page (hosted at the government company SOGEI Spa [wikipedia.org] ) that says that you are not allowed to visit those websites.
If you are in Italy you can try http://www.ladbrokes.com/ [ladbrokes.com] or http://www.skybet.com/ [skybet.com] .
Can you spell "freedom" in Italian? We cannot.

Re:That's already in place. (1)

Nathrael (1251426) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485736)

A corrupt mafia-run government wants to outlaw gambling? Well, duh, BIG SURPRISE.

Re:That's already in place. (1)

hamvil (1186283) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485926)

I could access both the websites from Italy. I tried both from work and from home (using my VPN). So sir your are wrong.

Re:That's already in place. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486032)

Just change your DNS servers and make them point to OpenDNS or another service like it, you jerk.

Unlicensed gambling sites are blacklisted only for tax purposes, freedom is quite a different thing. Just try to run an unlicensed gambling outfit in any country, then come back and tell me that not being able to reach Ladbrokes site is proof of Berlusconi dictatorship.
You moron.

Re:That's already in place. (2, Informative)

I'm_Original (1152583) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486354)

I am in Italy right now, and I didn't know there was any censorship. I tried those two sites, and you're right, they are in fact censored, with a notice referencing the law that brought the censorship into place. Thank you.

Godwin bomb (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485634)

So if a German polititian was attacked, a new censorship reigime in place, guess what happens next.

Berlusconi already in control - of Slashdot? (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485668)

I mean, look at the facts. If this had been an incident in France, we would have two dozen posts with surrender jokes already. But here we have an Italian story and not one submarine screen door, bottom of the ocean, five reverse gears, pulling the pins and throwing them back reference. Someone has to be preventing this.

Re:Berlusconi already in control - of Slashdot? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486438)

huh?!? I'm italian but didn't get a single one of these jokes (big woooosh, I know).

Internet Censorship (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485704)

Censors-hip becomes trendy. It is time to tell governments who is whos employer.

Partial U turn? (3, Funny)

Nomaxxx (1136289) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485726)

"leading Interior Minister Roberto Maroni to execute a partial U-turn." What's a partial U-turn? ...a L-turn?

Re:Partial U turn? (2, Funny)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485780)

Or a J turm [wikipedia.org]

It just shows you (1)

Chrisq (894406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485760)

It just shows you why a constitution is a good idea. The best time to make a cool decision about freedom of speech and censorship is probably not while you are nursing wounds after being attacked, but a change made now would be difficult to get reveresed in the furure. The same could happen in the UK, where I live - one event could lead to hasty loss of liberty. Oh, wait it already has [guardian.co.uk] .

Re:It just shows you (1)

GrumblyStuff (870046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486748)

Only if they pay attention to it. :|

welcome censorship! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30485800)

Think before talk. And talk if u KNOW.
In Italy we have dumb people that loves terrorists. And this is a fact. They show it many times.
(Yes, they also went happy for 11 september, and they are the same of today)
And in the same way they incitate the dumbass that hits our President.
I wonder what police would do to the culprit in China, or Russia, or USA... (In China & Russia the right thing. I love that countries)
So, if censorship means "close that idiot facebook, the idiots community" and give a break to monkey writings like "kill him, kill her"...
welcome censorship!
Like we make laws to avoid people "shitting" in the road, is right to keep clean also the network.

I'm not PRO Berlusconi, but against stupid people.

Re:welcome censorship! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486078)

FYI, the censorship porposed will NOT be used to close groups on facebook, or facebook itself. In fact, facebook removed the groups, as it is already an offence to hype a crime in Italy. This is just a way to get support from people full of knowledge like you.

The train of thought (3, Informative)

Balau (1286776) | more than 4 years ago | (#30485848)

It goes on like this:
-Berlusconi was attacked by Mr.Tartaglia because he hated him.
-The attack was caused by the hateful mood (http://www.ansa.it/web/notizie/rubriche/politica/2009/12/15/visualizza_new.html_1646244271.html/ [www.ansa.it] )
-Facebook is full of political hatred (http://www.ilgiornale.it/interni/su_facebook_tartaglia_eroe_chi_odia/tartaglia-facebook-berlusconi/13-12-2009/articolo-id=406674-page=0-comments=1/ [ilgiornale.it] )
-Facebook is on the Internet
-The solution is to control Facebook, and also the whole Internet to avoid mistakes (http://www.repubblica.it/2009/12/sezioni/politica/giustizia-22/rodota/rodota.html/ [repubblica.it] )

Berlusconi Dangerously? (1)

Shoten (260439) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486012)

After seeing the words "Minister Robert Maroni," all I can picture in my mind is a man with dark eyebrows seeing the Facebook page and then ranting about "iceholes" and "fargin' bastiges."

Re:Berlusconi Dangerously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30486312)

Can be even worse: he may try to bite your ankle like he did try with a public officer some years ago :)

Pretty Arrogant (3, Insightful)

Milican (58140) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486688)

It's too bad, but people get attacked all the time. However, when a leader gets attacked then we need to shut down the Internet. Pretty arrogant and self-centered. I'm glad the Internet is pretty free, but it's only a matter of time until politicians invent an excuse to control it. I'm sure it will be for the children, or to stop some possible terrorist scenario. Then it'll creep out from there.

JOhn

Wrong title (2, Insightful)

cowboy76Spain (815442) | more than 4 years ago | (#30486714)

It should have read:

AFTER BERLUCONI ATTACK, ITALIAN GOVERNMENT SHOWS HIS PLANS FOR CENSORSHIP.

Anyone with info about how Berlusconi deals with the basis of democracy (independent news, respect to the Constitution, independent judges) would have expected these plans to be in the works. The attack gives them an opportunity to show them.

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