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First Look At Latest Ion-Infused Asus Eee PC

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the its-got-what-plants-crave dept.

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MojoKid writes "Atom-based netbooks have come a long way since they were first introduced. 7 and 8-inch netbooks are no longer the norm, and availability of 12-inch netbooks is on the rise. The newest member of the Asus Eee PC lineup is the Eee PC 1201N, and it really stands out in the crowd of netbook in terms of specifications. The machine features a 12.1" HD display, new dual-core Atom 330 CPU, 2GB of DDR2 RAM, Windows 7 Home Premium, an HDMI output and NVIDIA's Ion chipset with integrated GPU. HotHardware was able to demo the system's ability to handle more advanced benchmarks, thanks in part to the Ion GPU. It's also the first netbook they tested that could actually play older 3D titles respectably. You won't get Crysis running but lighter duty titles can be played back nicely if you tone the details down and lower the resolution. The 1201N also played back 720p and 1080p content without stuttering, and the dual-core CPU allowed enough headroom to multitask while videos were playing."

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More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten...? (5, Insightful)

SomeGuyFromCA (197979) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494236)

The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed. More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494288)

12" is still easily tossable in a messenger bag. Pretty much every size laptop is going to get a slightly different market segment with different needs, and 12" and fairly powerful is precisely what I'm looking to buy in the near-ish future. It's not like Asus has stopped making the 10" netbooks, so where's the annoying?

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494530)

9" was the sweet spot for me.
My netbook has the feel of a book, which is something I feel comfortable carrying.

I don't know if Asus are still making 9" models, but they have dried up completely in the UK.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (3, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494538)

Dell does. They now call the mini 9/inspiron 910 the vostro a90.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (2, Informative)

Kral_Blbec (1201285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494850)

Dell and HP netbooks suck. They put the right/left mouse buttons beside the touchpad instead of below it. Makes it a lot more uncomfortable.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (4, Informative)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494908)

I have a dell mini 9 in front of me right now, the two mouse buttons are below the touchpad.

I do not know about the hp ones.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (3, Informative)

gormanly (134067) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494608)

yep. my main is 12", so >=10" does not a netbook make.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494616)

Well, I agree that this is a bit on the big side. I use a smaller than standard bag [thinkgeek.com] and really appreciate the smaller footprint of a 10.1" netbook.

I have been waiting to see the dual core atom +ion graphics netbooks come out. I want small, lightweight, long battery life, and the ability to watch web-based videos.

12" portrait style LCD is best (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494646)

I've got a 12" Mac PowerBook G4 final revision. It plays everything but BluRay, has a modem (you won't believe how often I need it), ethernet, bluetooth, WiFi, DVD burner, it's the ultimate connectivity machine. The wedding photographer's friend. And because it has a portrait style monitor and not that wretched landscape, it's a lot easier to read the newspapers.

I know why landscape rectangular is sold, it has fewer square inches the farther away from square it gets. I'll pay for a portrait monitor, really I will.

Microsoft demands a crippled CPU for a cheap deal on Win7 license, but it's only making Win7 look bad. The basic version of Win7 sux rox, the Aero version is pretty nifty.

Re:12" portrait style LCD is best (1)

somersault (912633) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494920)

it has a portrait style monitor and not that wretched landscape, it's a lot easier to read the newspapers.

I know why landscape rectangular is sold, it has fewer square inches the farther away from square it gets. I'll pay for a portrait monitor, really I will.

First off, 4:3 is not "portrait" style - that would be more like a widescreen monitor turned on its side. I remember one of my English teachers had a screen like that back in the 90s for doing word processing and page layouts.

Why don't you just get a widescreen monitor and mount it at 90 degrees if you really have to be viewing a whole page at once? Or simply don't expand your apps to fill the whole screen if you prefer thinner paragraphs.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

Bert64 (520050) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495092)

You have been able to get 12" laptops for years, apple used to make 12" ibooks and powerbooks, the idea of a netbook is that its smaller and cheaper... Pretty soon the small cheap ones will be phased out and we'll be back where we were a few years ago.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

jj00 (599158) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494394)

Happy to see the 2GB of RAM (even more would be better), but agree that I really don't care about a 12" screen and more powerful processor.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (3, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494500)

I agree. It is turning back into a laptop at this point.

But I think they are headed in the right direction as far as my own needs go.

I simply want an HDMI/VGA capable, networkable device to throw the web onto my television without stuttering. So far, it doesn't exist.

This sounds like it is pretty close, if not there already.

God dammit, I want to sit on my fucking couch again.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494526)

I think a regular old PC would do what you want. Any recent Nvidia card will get you vdpau.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (2, Interesting)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494572)

"I think a regular old PC would do what you want. Any recent Nvidia card will get you vdpau."

I already have one. I just don't want another one in my living room. I also want to retain the portability so that I can simply hook up to someone else's TV as well (Grandma's...Her vision ain't so hot, so she has a bigass TV. I want to be able to surf with her without buying her a PC).

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (4, Informative)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494574)

Sounds like you want an Aspire Revo. ( see http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Acer+-+AspireRevo+Nettop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Atom%26%23153%3B+Processor/9535434.p?id=1218120545008&skuId=9535434 [bestbuy.com] ) costs $200, ION graphics, 1 gig of RAM, HDMI support, and a 160 gig HDD. I also think its got an E-SATA port on the front of it which is a nice addition. According to reviews its easy to crack open and upgrade the RAM. While the Atom CPU might be on a bit of the sluggish side, I think this might be what you are looking for if you don't want a laptop.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (4, Insightful)

Anachragnome (1008495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494636)

That is EXACTLY what I want.

Too bad it is made by Acer. Their past history of totally fucking over customers when their cheap Mobos die prevents me from doing business with them. Ever.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

Hadlock (143607) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495080)

HP makes the mini with a pci-e mini hardware acceleration card built in. It only works with some particular software, but it meets all your requirements, including manufacturer point of origin.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (4, Informative)

tool462 (677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494502)

I'm kind of a beast, so having the larger display and keyboard for my club-like fingers is handy. For me, the distinction between a 12" netbook and a 13" laptop has more to do with battery life. I have the 12" Asus that was the precursor the one in this article, and I get roughly the same battery life out of it that I do my smartphone, which means I can use it consistently all day long without needing to plug it in. Charge up overnight, and keep on going the next day. And since it's roughly the width and length of a piece of paper, weighing less than three pounds, it's perfect for when I'm on the road traveling or working.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494568)

Yeah, my question is, at 12" does it still make sense to call it a netbook? It seems to me that the "netbook" classification meant that it was very small (max 10"), had a very small amount of storage and no optical drive, so that it was really only good for things like internet browsing, chat, and email. If you take a netbook, make it more bigger, more powerful, and you add a bunch of storage, it becomes a notebook computer.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494588)

Only good for chat and email?
I use one for work. If I want cpu power I ssh into a server no laptop comes close to a 4 quad Xeons.

99% of laptop purchasers should have bought a desktop and the cheapest netbook they could find. They would have spent the same amount of money and got a better experience.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494780)

I use one for work. If I want cpu power I ssh into a server no laptop comes close to a 4 quad Xeons.

And this server is going to help the average person play The Sims 3, how? Or make Photoshop render faster? Or help Windows Movie Maker make the movie faster?

The average person plays at least a few games or has a task that a netbook isn't going to do well. They just aren't made for those tasks.

99% of laptop purchasers should have bought a desktop and the cheapest netbook they could find

I thought the same thing, however I was proven "wrong". When my grandparents wanted a cheap computer (they basically live off of social security) I suggested the EEE 901 for $200, they already had a desktop and they really only used the computer for e-mail or internet. They said that the 9 inch screen wouldn't bother them. I loaded up Ubuntu and made the fonts -huge- for them. But for some odd reason they viewed it as "too slow" (don't know how, it was certainly faster than their low-end celeron running Windows 2K....) and the keyboard was "too small" (yet they still managed to text just fine on their phones...).

Also, laptops are cheap. my current laptop I got for $300, not on sale. Its not exactly outdated either, its got a Celeron 900 at 2.2 Ghz, a 15 inch screen, 2 gigs of RAM and a 160 gig HDD. Yeah, its got integrated graphics, yeah if I spent $150 extra I could have gotten a better machine, but as a student its a perfect laptop, Ubuntu runs flawlessly on it and everything works.

The cheapest netbook is $200, and the cheapest desktop is $200, which is $400, which doesn't save any money over my $300 laptop.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494932)

Games and photoshop would be better served by a desktop. Doing image work on a TN screen is just a bad idea period. The cheapest desktop is not well suited for that either.

Mobile gaming (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495122)

Games [...] would be better served by a desktop.

Which is also the reason to buy a PS3 over a PSP or a Wii over a DS. Yet handheld video game devices still sell, and as I understand it, the leap from Intel GMA to NVIDIA Ion is like the jump from DS to PSP.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (2, Informative)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495024)

I'm currently using that same machine you have as an (interim) HTPC machine. Swapped Win 7 64 bit to 32 bit (due to the low memory), upgraded to the latest drivers and Flash 10.1 Handles 1080p MKV's just fine, as well as 720P YouTube (1080 drops some frames on fast movement). The only problem is that Hulu apparently isn't taking advantage of the new Flash beta, and still seems to run 100% on the CPU rather than offloading to the GPU like YouTube now does. So for Hulu it can only handle the standard def video. 480P Hulu is fine windowed, but scaled to 720p or 1080p, it drops frames really bad.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

Vancorps (746090) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495032)

Every heard of RDP? You even have accelerated graphics and dual monitor support these days. With device pass-through is a very viable option. Of course I went one further for the owner of the company I work for. We've got XenDesktop Express, good for 10 virtual machines running on a dual processor quad core server and he has all the photoshop and Sims power he needs. Even had 1080p video and associated formats for HD audio. That's a bit overkill for the average consumer. He'll have 5 thin clients through-out his house see that he can enjoy fan-less high speed computing at 5 different locations, some will be wired, some will be serviced with 802.11n.

RDP works here and now for the average consumer running Windows 7 though. I do this all the time on my much more limited budget. Virtual desktops are definitely the future though.

Game copy protection (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495128)

The average person plays at least a few games

There are three well-known places to get games on Windows: freeware, Steam, and retail optical discs. Freeware games are limited in scope to small bites: what a hobbyist can make in spare time or what a company feels like giving away as a loss leader. Retail discs don't fit in a netbook, and even if you do manage to copy the installer over the network using another PC's optical drive, the copy deterrence methods in most retail games requires a battery-sucking internal optical drive on the machine that runs the game, or at least a battery-sucking USB optical drive. So if you want to use your netbook to play commercial games, you need Steam.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (5, Funny)

trb (8509) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494670)

It's like bragging about having the largest sub-compact car.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

Attila Dimedici (1036002) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494730)

The point of a netbook is size and weight, not speed. More power is nice, but the creep up towards 12" screens is annoying.

Especially with the price creep up to $500. A 12", $500 portable computer is a laptop or notebook, not a netbook. A netbook costs less than $400 and has a 10" or less screen. You can fiddle with one or the other of these and still have a netbook (just barely). But once you change both you are competing against traditional notebook computers, not netbooks.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (2, Interesting)

morari (1080535) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494756)

I disagree. For my needs, 12" would be the sweet spot. It's big enough to actually use and feel viable without being full-size. I recall that the HP DV2 was a 12" laptop, and it felt awesome. It's just too bad it only had a single-core processor.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

DAE51D (776260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494868)

agreed, these netbooks need to stay in the 9-11" range and stay under $300. otherwise, what's the point, I'd just buy a REAL notebook computer. Small. Light. something you toss in a backpack or keep in your car trunk. I don't want to worry about it. Also, why aren't we seeing USB 3.0 yet? Bluetooth, WiFi 802.11n, >0.3mp cameras, more than 3 measly USB ports, 2GB RAM, SDHC & Memory Stick Pro slot (like Dell has), all mandatory. And I'm sick of the 600 resolution. 1024x768 should be minimum, but I'd like to see 1440x900 as the min.

Re:More power is nice, but has everyone forgotten. (1)

Anonymous Freak (16973) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494974)

I agree. "Netbook" had a defined market. It was an ultra-portable that could do basic computing, cheaply.

Now companies are just sticking an Atom in what used to be termed a "subnotebook" and calling it a netbook. There was already a market for these, don't blur the line!

To me, the only thing I want them to add to a netbook is battery life. Keep the ultra-low-end CPU. Keep the 512 MB of RAM. Keep the stripped-down Linux. Keep the 8-9" screen. Just add progressively more power-saving hardware, and, if miniaturization of other components allows, increase the battery while keeping the weight down.

Basically, as long as it can play standard def Flash video, I don't care about the specs. Give me an Eee PC 1000HD with an SSD running Ubuntu Netbook remix or Chrome OS; that's what a netbook should be.

My current netbook is an HP Mini 1000 with 16 GB SSD running HP's "Mi" Linux. The only thing I don't like about it is the battery life. If I need more power on the go, I don't want to compromise with slightly more powerful Atom, or a slightly more powerful GPU, or a 160 GB hard drive; I want a full high-power laptop, with a quad-core, good GPU, and 500 GB hard drive.

Yes, there is middle ground, but don't make a system that is really a 'low-end laptop', and call it a netbook. Especially when you're charging a price premium for it. This new Eee has lower battery life, worse processor, worse GPU, smaller HD, and the same weight as many mid-range laptops, for more money!

12" netbooks? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494250)

Boy, I can't wait for the 17" netbooks with lots of ram, ssd and fast CPUs. A good video card would be nice, too. Why won't someone make this?

Re:12" netbooks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494584)

Please, Acer has had 20.1" netbooks [laptopmag.com] since 2006

Re:12" netbooks? (1)

Mr. DOS (1276020) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494818)

How do you figure that's a netbook? Acer used the Aspire name for its notebook line for years before terms "netbook" and "Aspire One" were even notions in a marketing drone's tiny mind.

      --- Mr. DOS

Re:12" netbooks? (1)

rrohbeck (944847) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494816)

Yay. With an HD5800 and dual Nehalems so I can finally run some simulations while I wait at the DMV.

still underpowered (2, Insightful)

onefriedrice (1171917) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494260)

If I'm going for a portable as big as 12", it better have something better than the Atom, Ion notwithstanding. 12" is basically a laptop IMO.

Great hardware specs (2, Insightful)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494264)

But meh manufacturing. I think that's what a lot of these lower end notebooks are missing these days. I feel like everytime I pick one up I have to worry about the hinges cracking. Is there any reason why hardware companies like Asus can't use an aluminum body? When I first heard Apple was switching to it, I was ecstatic - aluminum and glass over plastic? Finally a laptop hat has some heft to it. Seriously though, it can't be a cost issue here, the market price for aluminum is $1.1475/lb today. Why don't more manufacturers use it?

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494364)

Seriously though, it can't be a cost issue here, the market price for aluminum is $1.1475/lb today. Why don't more manufacturers use it?

Check that same source for aluminum pricing and see what it is for plastic. I don't know as I don't know where the aluminum price was found, but you seem to... So why not look it up and let us know?

Re:Great hardware specs (2, Insightful)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494704)

My point is that even if plastic was free, aluminum wouldn't add hardly anything to the production cost of the device.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494964)

Hardly anything > 0

Also, working with aluminum tends to be more of a process. Plastic can be injection molded, where aluminum (as far as I'm aware) needs to be machined in some way or another.

For plenty of people, it would be worth the extra $20 or so. The issue is that the manufacturers would treat it as a premium product (and rightly so), and probably tack $100 or more onto the price. Not that it doesn't work - look at Apple - but when your target market is looking to buy the cheapest computer they can find, it's not really an especially logical move. Hardware margins are already paper-thin, so you can put money on them either cutting costs wherever possible or charging a huge premium for something that only adds a few bucks to actual costs.

Since - by definition - netbooks are not premium computers in any sense of the word, you can expect them to remain plastic for the foreseeable future.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495066)

What a about tool costs and production time? Even if Plastic and Aluminum are the same cost (and I don't know that they are) they use different production techniques. Plastic is made with molds, whereas I believe with Aluminum you have to cut it out of a block, which might take longer, and also leaves you with a lot of "left over" scraps that will have to be recycled before they can be used again.

Re:Great hardware specs (0)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494426)

Other manufacturers should indeed use it, because when Apple do it is usually in the form of a non-removable battery cover

It's called "aluminium" btw

Re:Great hardware specs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494598)

This is an American site, and the proper American name of that metal is "aluminum".

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

jo_ham (604554) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494904)

It's not actually the proper name - The IUPAC name is aluminium, with the US spelling being an acceptable variant.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494478)

>Seriously though, it can't be a cost issue here, the market price for aluminum is $1.1475/lb today. Why don't more manufacturers use it?

Because you can't quickly injection-mold aluminum. It is not that aluminum costs so much more than plastic, it is just much more expensive to form into parts!

Although I like aluminum housings, I am fine with plastic for most uses... AS LONG AS IT IS NOT THAT DAMN "GLOSS BLACK"!!! UG!

Re:Great hardware specs (2, Insightful)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494514)

My eeepc 1000H seems very well built.

I believe you that the other netbooks might be built to break fast (I have seen some that look pretty chintzy) but my asus feels like it was built to be a small, portable pc that could easily be thrown into a bag and tossed around without breaking apart.

Re:Great hardware specs (3, Insightful)

sunderland56 (621843) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494546)

the market price for aluminum is $1.1475/lb today. Why don't more manufacturers use it?

The raw cost of the material is not the main factor. You can quickly and cheaply create laptop parts by injection molding - aluminum needs to be machined, a much slower and more expensive process.

For an example, compare the price of the new HP Envy laptops (aluminum), which start at $1700 for a 13", to the rest of their laptop lineup, where you can get a nicely loaded up 17" with Blu-Ray for less than that.

Silicon is virtually free - and you only need a few grams worth for a processor - but the cheapest i7 is $280.

Re:Great hardware specs (0)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494658)

No, they die cast the aluminum parts and only machine to clean up the casts. Their is no way they machine every laptop frame from a block of aluminum.

Plastic is still cheaper, but you are making it sound like that $1700 is a reasonable price based on costs, it is not. It is a premium product with a premium markup.

Re:Great hardware specs (4, Informative)

Firehed (942385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495016)

All of Apple's notebooks at least are in fact machined from a single slab of aluminum. I'd bet other manufacturers have adopted similar "unibody" approaches with their high-end systems. And while the $1100 I paid for my MBP13" is decidedly a premium price, it was damn well worth it for my needs.

Manufacturers are in no way required to lower their prices according to their costs. So long as people are paying the current prices, their costs could drop to zero and they'd still be idiotic to lower MSRP by a cent. If people are paying $1700, then it's worth at least $1700 to them - it's not like basic necessities where you have to pay whatever the price is in order to survive.

Of course I'd like lower prices, along with the rest of the world. But if the market is willing to bear your price, the last thing you should do is lower it.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494672)

If you wanted a laptop with heft, you would have bought a Thinkpad. The X and T series still hold up, and are the only ones I would buy used.

And the X41 tablet I snagged this summer is a champ. Not as fast as current stuff, but it was dirt cheap, half the price of a netbook.

I would buy a clean T43 for the right price. Solid machine. Tough as any Apple.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494724)

I agree on the old stuff, but once they took the IBM nameplate off lenovo quality went to shit. The T61s and T62s are total garbage. The hinges crack, out of 25 the longest lasting backlight is about 16 months before it was too dark on the edges to use, and their motherboards just up and die.

Re:Great hardware specs (1)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494744)

I have an X61T right now, and while the underlying structure of the machine is excellent, it's because the frame inside it is metal (at least for the tablet). The plastic shell it has is starting to die fast though.

Left out of the summary (2, Interesting)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494270)

is the claimed 5-hour battery life. Not bad, on par with many full-size laptops and notebooks, though personally one thing that would make a smaller, less-powerful device like this appeal to me would be a longer battery life than standard laptops.

Re:Left out of the summary (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494324)

and having it list for under $300.

Re:Left out of the summary (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494438)

who said you can get this one for under $300?

Re:Left out of the summary (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494630)

The AC was responding to this line of mine: "though personally one thing that would make a smaller, less-powerful device like this appeal to me would be ..." In other words, a price of under $300 would make such a device appeal to him. As this netbook sells for about $500, it fails to appeal to him on that basis. Reading comprehension FTW! (sorry, couldn't help it)

Re:Left out of the summary (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494450)

IMO, 5 hour battery life is not that great for a netbook with a somewhat underpowered (and low power) cpu, is it? On par with full-size laptops/notebooks but without the power of the full-size laptop/notebook... :)

Re:Left out of the summary (1)

Firehed (942385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495064)

And without the price of a full-size notebook. You get what you pay for. Honestly, I'm astonished that they can pack a battery that powerful into a machine of that price.

Re:Left out of the summary (5, Informative)

pwnies (1034518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494750)

They tested it in the article, and it ran for about 3 hours and 20 minutes. Not the best life, especially for a netbook.

Obligatory XKCD (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494294)

What else [xkcd.com] would you do with a Eee PC?

Think of how much more intelligent you could make that thing with a dual-core Processor and 2GB of DDR2 RAM!

Insert your own joke here, but please, no new overlords.

VDPAU (5, Informative)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494306)

The biggest benefit I see of the Ion is for small form factor desktops to support VDPAU (an API for hardware offloading of video decoding). Majority of the recent small form factor systems (e.g. Dell Studio Hybrid) I've looked into use the Intel 4500 which does support XvMC, but at least in Linux VDPAU is much more usable (larger list of supported codecs, etc.). I moderate the Boxee Linux forum, and I'm seeing a lot of posters using Ion based HTPC's.

Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (3, Insightful)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494314)

Price (MSRP): $499.99

I say yes. More than $300 means 'a lot of money' and that means I'd better be getting a full-blown computer for my purchase dollars. This needs to include some kind of optical drive. That's what I say, what say you?

Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (1)

rsborg (111459) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494516)

Optical drives are unneeded features for this form-factor, and add cost, size, and frustration that a non-optical system can do without.

If you really want an optical drive, there are many 15" laptops at the same price range that will do that for you, but be prepared for worse build-quality, middling battery life and completely budget-bin processor.

That said, I didn't get a windowsXP restore image on a SD card (yes, they gave me an optical restore disk for a device that doesn't support it!!) when I got my eeePC 1000H a year ago, and that really made it difficult when I gave the device away (had to restore using an imaging tool... luckily I backed up the pristine image prior to doing anything with it)... so if Asus could replace their DVD with, say, even a gimped SD card that does the restore, I'd have been completely happy.

Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (3, Funny)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494548)

That said, I didn't get a windowsXP restore image on a SD card (yes, they gave me an optical restore disk for a device that doesn't support it!!)

That is by far the most facepalm-worthy thing I've heard this week. +1 You poor soul.

Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (1)

h4rr4r (612664) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494560)

If you remove an optical disc you should also go SSD. I want no moving parts, any moving parts in a netbook is a total FAIL!

Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (1)

BobMcD (601576) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494684)

Optical drives are unneeded features for this form-factor, and add cost, size, and frustration that a non-optical system can do without.

If you really want an optical drive, there are many 15" laptops at the same price range that will do that for you, but be prepared for worse build-quality, middling battery life and completely budget-bin processor.

Unneeded by whom? I use them to install large software suites, upgrade/change the OS, and watch DVD's. All of those are harder without an optical drive, and usually require me to use an optical drive in another machine over the network, which is no substitute.

Adds some cost, yes. But little.

Adds size, yes. Adding them to netbooks, however, should lead to smaller sizes of optical drives.

Adds zero frustration. Really, I cannot remember ever hearing an end user wish they did not have an optical drive due to all the headaches it causes. Not once.

Why worse build quality? They're made by the same people in the same factories. I'm not at all convinced that it is necessarily true that an optical drive reduces build quality.

Battery life is a point, yes, but not due to the drive. Or certainly not due to the drive when it is not in use.

And finally, that bargain bin processor is still about twice as powerful as the netbook core, is it not? I suppose it may not be, but I've also never heard anyone praise their netbook for its blazing-fast processor.

Re:Is $500 too high for a Netbook? (1)

sowth (748135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494720)

I got a Linux EEE 900, and not only was the restore disk on a CD, the image was embedded into a windows .exe file. I don't have any computers with MS Windows anymore. WTF?

Then again, the distro they used was a never updated version of Xandros--was already way out of date when I got it. Xandros is a crappy wannabe MS distro.

As for the price, really netbooks should be $200 or perhaps $100. They're not intended to do gene sequencing or calculating the end of the universe. You shouldn't have to have so much power just to browse the web or write documents and such.

Lets you run your JavaShit laden WebApps (0, Flamebait)

ickleberry (864871) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494336)

at lightning speed!

because obviously since they are "Netbooks" all they are good for is running (as in accessing) remotely run applications through some stupid Web 2.0 interface filled with needless graphics and effects. ohh shiny!

Linux/SSD version wanted (5, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494400)

Now if they would just go back to their true *netbook* roots and also offer a Linux + SSD version!! That was a killer combination.

I will stick with my Linux EEE 1000 for now. Better value than the MS-Win version (for me), uncrashable "hard drive", great battery life, nice form factor, decent keyboard, reasonably fast, respectable screen. About the only two annoying things are the right shift key in the wrong place (which really kills me when using vi) and the battery light starting to blink at something like 75% power left (obviously a boo boo).

Re:Linux/SSD version wanted (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494518)

If I have a portable device that has an HDMI port and is capable of decoding bluray rips then it better have a lot of storage.

Re:Linux/SSD version wanted (4, Insightful)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494864)

Mod parent up. My eee 701 is still the choice for me, even given the higher specs of all the latter models. It's the smallest of them all (didn't netbook used to = subnotebook?), SSD = oops, I dropped my laptop, oh well.., and Ubuntu runs great on it. Asus has lost their netbook roots, now they're just making normal notebooks with a crap OS.

DISCLAIMER: I love Palm Pilots, too. You know, stuff that was made for its purpose.

Re:Linux/SSD version wanted (4, Insightful)

markdavis (642305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495062)

Exactly. The whole concept of "netbook" was supposed to be small, inexpensive, light, long battery life, lesser specs, solid state hard drive, and MS-Windows-Free. Asus essentially invented the category based on that. Simple, rugged, very portable, cheap.

Pretty much all of those criteria were perverted to the point that now they are really just turning into run-of-the-mill notebooks. Double the RAM, rip out the SDD, blow up the screen and case size, pack on the weight, lower the battery life, install MS-Windows, and jack up the price 50%. It just becomes a low-end notebook or sub-notebook.

Kinda like Firefox.... it was supposed to be fast, light, simple- that was it's born mission. But with each release, it was getting more complicated, bigger, harder to use, packing on more and more "features". Seems like it has been moving back to the right direction again, though (I hope).

Oh well. Maybe the true "netbook" concept will be rediscovered again soon, too.

Re:Linux/SSD version wanted (0, Troll)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495114)

Most customers want Windows. If they want Linux they can install it themselves.

3D titles respectably (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494420)

11-19 FPS at 800x600 is not respectable.

netbook? (5, Informative)

BradMajors (995624) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494422)

This netbook has the same screen size, ram, and CPU perforcement as my four year old laptop.

Has my old laptop become a netbook?

Re:netbook? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494722)

How much does your old laptop weigh?

Also, whats the battery life like?

ASUS Eee PC quality is better than ever (4, Interesting)

NaijaGuy (844212) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494424)

I was impressed by the build quality of their new T91MT touch-screen tablet [youtube.com], and it was definitely an all-around improvement on the older version of that model (the T91, which came with Windows XP and didn't have multitouch). I just wish they offered a handheld touch-screen computer in a screen size slightly larger than 8.9 inches. If they could release this one with a touch screen that swiveled around to lay down flat on top of the keyboard, that'd be perfect! We need such devices to deploy our software product on, and Gibabyte makes a 10-inch one, but even with the nearly full-sized keyboard, it was nowhere near as compelling a user experience as the ASUS.

Bah! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494440)

Laptops are for people who... Travel!

*Suspensful orchestral music, can't be transcribed to text due to copyright*

Re:Bah! (1)

sowth (748135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494562)

So you spend so much time in your bed, you never travel to the kitchen? You have some sort of robot to deliver food to you?

My eeepc 701 is right here (2, Informative)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494442)

It runs ubuntu 9.10 now. I have it loaded with cross compilers for the openmoko and atmel. As well as java (on an SD card) and gcc, etc. I get a ton of work done commuting by tram [glitch.tl]. (yay for distrubuted version control). The laptop takes one half a small laptop case. It is light enough to carry around on the weekend.

I have taken it on two holidays. Tasmania and New Zealand. When away I back up our two digital cameras to a Sony video camera with a 30G hard disk. The eeepc is ideal for moving files around between different USB devices. It is also great for watching movies stashed on the video camera.

Re:My eeepc 701 is right here (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30494738)

Agreed. I picked my up for $179, which is where netbooks should be to be, well, netbooks.

Ion Infused (4, Funny)

BluePeppers (1596987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494552)

What is up with the names?! Ion infused?? Definition of Infused: An infusion is the outcome of steeping plants with a desired flavour in water or oil. Defenition of an Ion: An ion is an atom or molecule where the total number of electrons is not equal to the total number of protons. Right...

So, saying they get their ions from a sensible source, such as salt, and use a plant with salt on it, such as seaweed, then what we actually have is a laptop that has been dipped in seaweed oil? No wonder people don't trust major companies any more... all this sounds very fishy.

12" Are they serious? (3, Insightful)

zoloto (586738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494634)

12 inches is too big for a netbook. 10 inches is pushing it as it is. Why do they think they can slap the term "netbook" on anything small and under powered as far as the typical laptop goes? Does anyone remember the Toshiba Libretto? I still have mine and THAT is the ultimate _netbook_. I thought PHYSICAL SIZE was what made a netbook a netbook! 12 inches is NOT a netbook.

Re:12" Are they serious? (2, Informative)

ChunderDownunder (709234) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494788)

'netbook' has evolved to mean 'Atom powered'.

What it means for the ultra-portable market, I'm not sure. I noticed my 15 month old 12.1" Core 2 Duo as been superseded by a 13.3" model. Perhaps 'business users' want big screens but I like the 11.6"-12.1" for factor - If I need to plug into at a desk, I just need decent internal graphics and an external 1080p/i display.

So unless these 11.6" netbooks dump the atom and go with a quad-core ARM cortex, I'll stick with my current model for a few more years...

Re:12" Are they serious? (2, Insightful)

Narishma (822073) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494978)

Get over it already. Every time there's a story about some netbook or other you get comments like yours complaining about the size. It was like that when the first 9" started appearing, then again with 10" and now 12". The fact is there's no standard of what a netbook is supposed to be. Everyone has their own definition it seems.

"netbook" (2, Insightful)

rarel (697734) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494696)

I have a 12,1 computer, bought it two years ago, it's notthing new, it's not a netbook it's a LAPTOP.

I thought the whole point of the "netbook" fad was portability... I guess now everyone's so hooked on the new name they don't give a shit anymore. If it quacks like a duck it's a duck not a fucking goose.

You say potato, i say... (2, Insightful)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494762)

So netbooks are essentially moving into the low end notebook space and pushing out the cheap notebooks while leaving the small netbook space empty...

Wow (2, Interesting)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30494934)

The most interesting benchmark in the article is the effect that the Ion GPU has. There's another netbook review that is linked in the article to an $800 machine with a beefier CPU, the ASUS CLUV. That machine is unable to play 1080p video clips without stuttering.

Yet this beast of a netbook can do it easily, using no more than 50% CPU in windows media player. That ION GPU must be doing a heck of a lot of the calculations in order to make this possible.

Only problem : not all video codecs are accelerated this well. Do any players/codecs out there let you watch the usual x264 video clips that pirates put up on the net with Ion GPU acceleration? Historically, Windows Media Player generally doesn't natively play anything but WMV and old codec files.

Those 1080p movie trailers that Apple likes to release will play just fine, however.

The biggest problem with the machine is that it still uses a mechanical hard drive. It would be a heck of a lot faster and more responsive if it had a clean bare-bones install of Win 7 and an SSD. (no, not Linux...Linux might boot and run faster but it takes more time to tinker with it and fight to get things to run than you save, unless you are a Linux expert)

Problem is, you gotta pay for the cost of that useless 5400 rpm drive when you buy this thing. Maybe you could pick up an external enclosure off newegg along with an SSD, and put the mechanical drive to use as a backup disk. Put in an OCZ vertex SSD, and make this machine scream.

The 2GB ram limitation is also a problem, though...For long term use, you really want at least 4-8 GB....

No SSD no interest (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495006)

It will waste more battery power and more prone to problems when being moved about. If I want an hard drive, I'll get a full blown laptop.

Netbooks, meh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30495020)

I don’t think the manufacturers can help themselves when it comes to out doing one another with features, etc. The marketing droids promise the moon, sun, and stars if only ours was “better”!

We have 2.

MSI and ACER units. They serve a purpose, but only for my teenage kids, and even that is waning since they got Blackberries.

Personally, my own 8830WE covers day to day stuff, so that a net book would be redundant.

Meetings or work require my XPS M1730 (yeah, I know, but so what) and I just don’t see any need for a net book, upgraded or not.

Battery life and price screen size and weight (3, Insightful)

zullnero (833754) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495096)

At least where I'm concerned. I bought a netbook because it was a sub $400 dollar laptop that had several hours of battery life. I always felt that the main purpose of a netbook was to provide an inexpensive, highly portable/ultra long battery life to counter mobile wifi use...as that leads into the main purpose...being connected and doing stuff on the net. Tradeoff being, of course, lower end graphics processing and lower power processors to boost that battery charge life. 12 inches, 10 inches, 9 inches, 8 inches...that's just a personal preference that kinda sorta plays into the portability part. At some point you've got a small laptop, at another point you have a big handheld. I have a smartphone...I don't need a slightly bigger one to complement the one I use now. The netbook sits nicely between the 17" desktop replacement and the big handheld categories.

Re:Battery life and price screen size and weight (1)

zullnero (833754) | more than 4 years ago | (#30495108)

Ah, hell. Slashdot stripped out my greater than symbol: Battery life and price > screen size and weight. Darn it, thought I could pull that off.
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