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Google Open Sources Etherpad, Piratepad Launches

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the fair-play dept.

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Thomas Nybergh writes "The Etherpad code was released by Google under the Apache license a few hours ago. Google's initial plan, after acquiring the service, was to use Etherpad's tech with its new Wave collaboration platform and to shut down the original service entirely. Soon after the Etherpad code was released, the Swedish Pirate Party launched their instance of the service at piratepad.net. An announcement, which also mentions a new Tor node, is published on the party website (Google translation). The original Etherpad service had in a short time become a killer application for collaborative work within at least the Swedish, and according to my personal experience, in the Finnish Pirate Party as well. The Etherpad open source project is available at Google Code."

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First Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497190)

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For the unititiated... (5, Informative)

julesh (229690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497204)

there's a reasonable explanation of what it is on the home page [etherpad.com] .

To the submitter, please include a link that explains what you're talking about next time.

Re:For the unititiated... (4, Informative)

Alef (605149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497650)

Another little detail of information, in case anyone reads the links that are included in the summary:

I noticed that Google Translate writes the last couple of sentences of the news release as:
"PiratePad is freely available to all users. The party will save any logs from the service."
What it actually says in Swedish is:
"PiratePad is freely available to all users. The party will not save any logs from the service."

Re:For the unititiated... (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497840)

If babelfish is anything to go by then you should be lucky it got that close.

Not just piratepad.net - I also see uxoo.com ! (3, Interesting)

goneforaslash (934890) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499590)

There is also uxoo.com [uxoo.com] . Free software at its best - other websites will certainly follow.

Hopefully all these competing services will do to good old plain text edition something just as great as youtube did to videos.

Start the competition!

Re:For the unititiated... (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500554)

well thanks to googles "contribute a better translation" function, it looks like it has been fixed.

My limited knowledge of Scandinavian languages would not have caught that (though I have no real exposure to written swedish...just a year of norwegian applied against my danish heritage) although it would seem fishy for this particular group to want to log *anything*.

Re:For the unititiated... (1)

kent_eh (543303) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499670)

EtherPad: a web-based realtime collaborative document editor.


There, was it really so hard to post that?

Pretty awesome (4, Insightful)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497206)

Happy to see a Google acquisition which has not entirely abandoned their existing userbase, as they are assimilated. The company i work for has picked up using etherpads here and there, and was intending on doing so further, until the acquisition. I guess we'll probably give the code base a run, and try installing an internal copy :) Rock on Etherpad & Google guys.

Re:Pretty awesome (4, Interesting)

ilovegeorgebush (923173) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497392)

I was just thinking about how this is Google's answer to "acquire and assimilate" business practices. When Oracle or Microsoft do it it's murder, but when Google do it they Open Source the product then abandon the original.

Is this better?

Re:Pretty awesome (3, Funny)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497418)

MS grabs the tech and dumps the company in a shallow grave.
Google grabs the tech and then markets the company as a tasty snack on the open day bbq.

Re:Pretty awesome (3, Interesting)

Aldenissin (976329) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498740)

Could this be good legislation to implement and curb or eliminate the Embrace=>Extend=>Extinguish business practices?

When you buy out a company that makes software, you must open source the current code. This would make companies more valuable standalone and increase competition, and also allow those that should die off to die off. If another company does wish to invest, competition is still there since the code is now open source.

Re:Pretty awesome (2, Insightful)

pipatron (966506) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498880)

Ok, wait.. So if for example Apple would buy Adobe, they would have to make all their products Open Source? Is that what you're saying?

Re:Pretty awesome (3, Interesting)

mr_da3m0n (887821) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499384)

I this the parent's point was that a company acquiring another would have to either keep developping or support the target company's assets, or Open Source them instead of burying them in a shallow grave, never to be heard of again. Which would be a Good Thing (tm).

Re:Pretty awesome (2, Interesting)

SharpFang (651121) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499530)

It doesn't have to mean "lose all the software to the public".

More like "create a public open branch of whatever was created to this day".
Also, "open source" doesn't have to mean "free as a beer". You can grab the code, tamper with it, compile it, but to use it for anything meaningful you have to purchase a license, and to redistribute your modified code you must purchase a redistribution license, sending a part of your profit upstream.

Re:Pretty awesome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30500714)

yes.

Re:Pretty awesome (1)

quickOnTheUptake (1450889) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499518)

Something similar that I would support, would be making it a condition a copyright's remaining valid that the product still be available for sale. If we did this then it would be a non-issue. The creator would have the source, so if the acquiring company permanently pulled the product, the copyright would lose force, and the creator could legally opensource the original code.
This is the obvious solution to the problem of out of print books that you still can't legally copy, even though you can't buy them, and it seems that it could solve the problem you mention just as well.

Re:Pretty awesome (3, Informative)

atheistmonk (1268392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497532)

Yes

Re:Pretty awesome (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498282)

Or Sun and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia_Watson [slashdot.org] ">Karelia's Watson

Re:Pretty awesome (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499128)

It appears your link was mangled by grues in the slashdot code. So here it is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karelia_Watson [wikipedia.org]

Re:Pretty awesome (1)

ubrgeek (679399) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500770)

Whoops. Thanks bertoelcon. And that happened even after I chose to preview. :)

EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (4, Interesting)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497220)

Small wonder they wanted to acquire AppJet to send its programmers to the Google Wave slave mines to make Wave work more like EtherPad. I'm tickled pink they went through with their pledge to open-source it, and did it so quickly.

Isn't it amazing? This is the code that was AppJet's entire revenue stream...and after Google bought them for ten million dollars, they're giving all that work away to the community, free.

You can argue all you want about whether Google is really evil or not, but either way it certainly has its non-evil moments.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497274)

I honestly fear them more than anyone else at this point. That they can comfortably do things like this only shows how big they're getting!

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (4, Insightful)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497290)

Do you fear accepting gifts from friends due to their extraordinarily elaborate subconscious ploy to undermine and ultimately control you?

Be afraid.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (5, Insightful)

TheCowSaysMooNotBoo (997535) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497300)

No, but I do from stores who collect my private data every time I shop there.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

WGFCrafty (1062506) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497350)

Then it looks like shopping through the mail with a proxy type address and money orders prepaid with cash is for you!

Google is quickly becoming a large faceless megacorporation with questionable ethics regarding data storage, but at least they do some nice things.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (3, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497394)

Then it looks like shopping through the mail with a proxy type address and money orders prepaid with cash is for you!

No, shopping through the mall with cash and without customer card is.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (3, Funny)

emj (15659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497940)

Shopping with your neighbors customer cards is even better.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

ottothecow (600101) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500578)

I need a distributed customer card app.

I try to avoid them whenever possible (places like CVS will always swipe the store copy of the card if you talk to them right) but sometimes I just apply with bogus info. The only problem with applying with bogus info is that I still let them link all of my purchases together to determine more info about me. Sure, they think I am a 70 year old man with the buying habits of a college student but they still have a full customers worth of info. I want a system that lets me use a new account every time...one day I can use a code provided by a 45 year old mother of 3 and the next day I can use the code that belongs to the 23 year old WoW player who likes the discounts he gets on his hot pockets.

Of course maybe paying with a credit card defeats all of this...I'm not sure they are allowed to keep my CC data in its entirety for these purposes but I don't see what would stop them from making a hash from my CC number and having a record of all my purchases between card expirations.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (2, Interesting)

icebraining (1313345) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498018)

Not for long [slashdot.org] .

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

LordLimecat (1103839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498154)

they have named employees on youtube quite a lot for a "faceless megacorporation", and Sergey Brin isnt exactly a recluse.

How exactly are you defining faceless?

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1, Redundant)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497424)

With google you are the product.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

timepilot (116247) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497804)

Yeah, I was just thinking that too. They're sort of like the machines in the Matrix. Google lives off of the energy generated by people who live in the Googtrix.

I don't know whether I should take the red pill or the blue pill. I really don't know which would be better. The this version of the Googtrix doesn't seem so bad to me. I worry about what things will be like when the leadership is turned over to someone more Ballmer-like.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (3, Funny)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498400)

Give me tasty, juicy, delicious steaks and I'll go and plug back in...

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

GaryOlson (737642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498362)

But, I have not been UL inspected or listed , FDA tested or approved, nor EPA compliant. How do I know I am safe for public consumption?

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

awyeah (70462) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500328)

You're right - it's exactly the same as with TV and Radio. The product is your eyeballs, the service is presenting advertisements to your eyeballs. The only difference is that what you get in return for your eyeballs is lots of actually useful services, not So You Think You Can Dance.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30499482)

Oh, that's ignorant.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498440)

No. All it shows is that software is NOT what Google is selling. Software is not Google's product. As such, they are very happy to release it as open source. It puts a good face on Google, makes the development community happy, and gets more developers working on the platform. Remember, Google sells advertisements. That is their product. Their goal is to "organize the world's information." These two things go hand-in-hand, but Google will not be able to do either if they try to maintain total control over everything they acquire. Thus, open sourcing software and giving away products freely that used to generate money for another company is a very viable strategy.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

fast turtle (1118037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499030)

Turn in your business card pup. Google is not and never has been a Marketing Company, Content Producer or anything more then a Service Provider. The service that Google provides is access to our Eyeballs and Minds. We aren't even a product becauuse of that. Just the access to them is all they sell - yet - until they figure out how to provide direct access to our minds, at which point "We Are Borg - Resistance Is Futile - You Will Be Assimilated" becomes reality. Until then everything that Google does has one and only one purpose. To enhance the visiability of what ever is being purshed by those purchasing that access.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (2, Informative)

awyeah (70462) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500334)

Yes - you and I are the product!

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (4, Insightful)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497328)

I really do think that this was the best thing that could possibly have happened to EtherPad. While it was still closed-source, it was locked up in the hands of one company. There was always the risk it could go away for good. (As very nearly happened right after Google bought them.) It's possible they might even have used the patent they claimed was "pending" to stifle competition if someone created a similar app from scratch.

But now it belongs to all of us, and anyone with the expertise to set it up can run a pad server for his own writing circle or for the world. People might even hack in new features and share them, like that Wave Federation thing Iba mentioned in the blog post.

But even if EtherPad's codebase stays the same forever, it's ours now and we can use it however we want.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30498226)

But even if EtherPad's codebase stays the same forever, it's ours now and we can use it however we want.

Even though Google ignored the GPL in favor of an Apache license!? Shock. Horror.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (3, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498548)

Is there something wrong with the Apache license? I'm really not up on the nuances of open source licensing - but I thought Apache was "good". A lot like the BSD license, right? You're allowed to make money with the software, but you can't lock the software away. This is good, in my book. Money isn't the determining factor in my book (gratis), but the freedom to use the software (libre).

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30499810)

"you can't lock the software away."
You can lock your version of the software away, meaning somebody can Embrace Extend and Extinguish the opensource version (example needed). OTOH businesses are less scared of using Apache because it doesn't force them to release the code (but if you nly use the OSS edition that doesn't help much). SO IMO Licensing it Apache over lgpl/mpl/etc is a bad move, however it's still better than not opensourcing it and if i cared that much i'd write my own version and GPL it.

~Your friendly neighborhood bipolar GPL troll

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500234)

You can lock your version of the software away, meaning somebody can Embrace Extend and Extinguish the opensource version (example needed).

That phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The very worst a company can do to EtherPad (already a complete, and excellent package) is to not improve it, or not release their improvements. The arguments against the BSD license don't really hold water when the package in question is stable and feature-complete.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500324)

The arguments against the BSD license don't really hold water when the package in question is stable and feature-complete.

ROTFLMAO!

Lets assume feature-complete actually happens for more than 0.01% of all software programs.

If you actually get to that point then, by definition, the arguments against the GPL license don't really hold any water either.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500366)

I don't think I understand your logic. Are you arguing that EtherPad is feature-incomplete? What additional features are necessary for it to function adequately for the vast majority of users?

Any significant expansion of EtherPad would logically lead to something not all that different from Google Wave. (which is already open-source).

I'm not implying that the "feature-complete" argument applies to terribly many software packages. However, I would argue that it does here.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500408)

Are you arguing that EtherPad is feature-incomplete? What additional features are necessary for it to function adequately for the vast majority of users?

Irrelevant. I am pointing out that your claim about BSD licensing under the conditions of being feature complete and stable apply equally to the GPL.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500426)

Why would facts about EtherPad be irrelevant to a discussion about EtherPad?

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500304)

Money isn't the determining factor in my book (gratis), but the freedom to use the software (libre).

In the above sentence your uses of gratis and libre are identical.

A more common meaning of libre wrt to Free software is the freedom to "tinker." If someone gives you software to use any way you want but they don't provide the source your freedom to tinker is severely curtailed.

Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (5, Insightful)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498058)

You realize don't you that Google Wave is both open source AND open protocol?

It is federated like Jabber, anyone who wants to can download the wave source code and run their own wave server. And because it is federated, your server is not a walled garden - you can still join waves hosted on OTHER servers.

Seems far superior to this Etherpad in every sense of the word.

Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (4, Interesting)

D Ninja (825055) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498454)

Seems far superior to this Etherpad in every sense of the word.

Technically speaking, Wave is superior (I've used both). However, what makes Etherpad so popular is that it is easier to use. As of this time, Wave is still in Alpha mode, and while I get it, many tech friends who have tried to use it really don't understand the applicability of the software. They don't see it as a much better way to collaborate. They still want to stick to traditional e-mail for organization (which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

So, Wave = Technically Stronger; Etherpad = Usability is Stronger. Add the good parts of the two together, and you get a much better project overall.

Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (3, Funny)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500264)

(which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

It is in gmail.

So Google's main competition to Wave is Google (Etherpad) and Google (Gmail) ?

I love companies that never stop innovating.

Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30500436)

They still want to stick to traditional e-mail for organization (which I hate, particularly when conversation threading and search is not available in e-mail).

Minor rant: Conversation threading has been available in email since it was invented.

It's called context-quoting, not top-posting, and I can't for the life of me figure out why the fuck most people in business refuse to do it. Every goddamn cubicle drone whose first email client was either Outleak or Blotus Nodes, simply types in a sentence or two, and then quotes the entire email, and the newcomer to the conversation has to read through 5-10 pages of crap (.signatures, v-cards, etc) to extract the 2-3 sentences that are actually the chain of discussion.

It's both a mystery and an abomination as to why it's taken 30 years for Google Wave to even have a chance at being recognized as a solution to the problem that everyone on USENET figured out 30 years ago, everyone on Slashdot or any web-based forum has done since day one (and we're still doing).

Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30498514)

Dammit Wave is java too! I don't think I can take this kind of teasing twice in one day.

I suppose I'll have to do the re-write(s) myself. Sigh. At least I have the option.

Re:Huh? How is this better than wave... ? (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500372)

From what I've seen on the web wave is open source in the same sense that android is open source. There are a bunch of files on a CVS server, with some build instructions that creates a program that does something, but it isn't something they actually intend anybody to actually use. In the case of android their open source code results in an OS that doesn't have access to the cell network or wifi, and which can't even blink the LED on the front from what I understand. Their build instructions are a real mess too as it requires a ton of manual effort to get the proprietary blobs added to it so that it works. It isn't like you can just put some proprietary bits in a directory, hit make, and end up with an image.

Plus, their only implementation runs on Java, and I don't really have half a gig of RAM to waste having that in memory all the time. Most servers that don't get much traffic can run in a lot less!

It isn't a bad concept, but I still don't see it taking off. Maybe if I ran a forum and the open-source version of wave were robust enough I might replace phpbb or whatever with it. However, most open-source forum systems are actually designed to be used by people, and they're not just intended for developers to contribute to one particular implementation of it.

Re:EtherPad makes Google Wave look even worse (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30498152)

Yeah, but it is java - what a total let-down. I was expecting real, usable code. Not java.

Hopefully Google's intent is to re-write it all in python, php or c. Then I will be interested.

I feel like the kid on Christmas who wanted a bike but got a sweater.

A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (4, Informative)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497236)

Etherpad is httpRequest javascript in a wysiwig which allowes collaborative editing in real time on a text doc with some rich text. My opinion is its a chat window where you type in the area the chat appears.

In a screenshot on their page is the example text "...Etherpads patent-pending sychronization algorithm makes sure everyones edits are merged in realtime".

I would see Gmail's live chat feature being quite close in concept. I wonder if Etherpad extended an open palm and inquired about renumeration.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (3, Interesting)

RedWizzard (192002) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497416)

I would see Gmail's live chat feature being quite close in concept.

I don't. Being able to go back and edit what someone else has written previously is a fundamentally different concept IMO.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497476)

GNU Screen has been around for a while.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (2, Insightful)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497552)

Since this is about editing, I think you mean gnuserv.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (3, Funny)

wootest (694923) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497808)

Yes, you're right, they're exactly the same thing.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497644)

My opinion is its a chat window where you type in the area the chat appears.

Which is a feature that IM clients such as ICQ had for, let's say, a decade ago.

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (1)

Steve van der Burg (195729) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497908)

I wonder if Etherpad extended an open palm and inquired about renumeration.

You mean like if Etherpad was number 642 before, and now they want to be number 624?

Re:A hint as to buy-out reasoning. (1)

PineHall (206441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498762)

I think Google Docs could possibly be improved with Etherpad's code. Etherpad is the collaborative editing word processor so Google Docs would be an obvious choice to improve with Etherpad's code or concepts.

Ubuntu One Killer App (3, Interesting)

st1rguy (1180853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497272)

If Canonical is serious about promoting their cloud platform this should be relatively easy for them to host and roll client access into their next desktop release. They could also host the server component in their repo to make it cake to install on internal servers as well. Wave without the "Google" would be awesome.

Re:Ubuntu One Killer App (2, Interesting)

pydev (1683904) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497298)

Google got the better part of the product--the developers. Without good developers, the code is probably pretty much useless.

Re:Ubuntu One Killer App (2, Interesting)

st1rguy (1180853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497314)

Not necessarily true, Etherpad is pretty solid. If they shifted some of the dev talent away from their silly attempt to make a online music store to something genuinely useful like real-time collaboration i can see that working in their benefit, at least to business users.

Re:Ubuntu One Killer App (1)

AndGodSed (968378) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498812)

You forget that Canonical has a rather close relationship with Google - notice how they provided developers to help out with the ChromeOS release. It is not much of a stretch to believe that Google might reciprocate in some way by providing resources, code or even finished product to Canonical.

Re:Ubuntu One Killer App (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500540)

All canonical typically do is repackage debian with newer packages... redhat and sun etc do all the heavy lifting with linux.

While free people to package stuff is useful, I somehow think google would be able to do that themselves if need be.

Re:Ubuntu One Killer App (1)

Abreu (173023) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498422)

Why not implement a Wave server? Wave is also open source and anyone can set up a server

A link to the application (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497286)

http://etherpad.com/ep/pad/newpad

Click that link to see parts of the app in action

GNAA Announces! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497352)

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Wow! This blows me away. (-1, Troll)

Like2Byte (542992) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497378)

Wow! This blows me away. Google not only wants to know how you shop or do research online they now want to know how you collaborate. Spooky. Combine this technology (ie:Google Wave) with their Chrome OS on hardware they approve and they'll be able to capture your business sense and/or organizational skills, too.

Don't be surprised when Google investors dump their stocks from company "X" when they detect a company making foolish decisions. Of course, the first foolish decision is to use Google Wave in a professional environ where your data - collaborative data, at least; hard data, at most - can be peeked-at via Google Wave.

Caveat emptor.

So, yeah, take the OSS version, package it up, install it on your *own* server farm and enjoy.

Re:Wow! This blows me away. (4, Informative)

lattyware (934246) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497482)

As far as I am aware, the plan is to make Wave an open protocol, where it can be completely isolated from anything Google by running your own stuff.

Re:Wow! This blows me away. (2)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497852)

Correct. Even MS, for example, could set up a Hotmail wave service. Wave is simply a protocol. http://www.waveprotocol.org/ [waveprotocol.org]

Re:Wow! This blows me away. (1)

Rich0 (548339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500406)

Will it actually be reasonably supported in such a configuration? Google doesn't even support an open-source version of android that can actually make phone calls. They have lots of source code, but no releases or anything with QA behind it. Integrating proprietary drivers needed to actually make it work is a fairly manual process, and there are no guides/etc.

It seems like they're only willing to make it open-source to the extent that it doesn't cost them anything and it doesn't create viable competition.

From what I've seen Google open source projects don't really operate like normal open source projects. It is a proprietary cathedral model that publishes most of their source code, without much regard to whether the open source product is in itself something anybody would actually want to use. At least with mysql or whatever you can download the source for an actual release, and do a make install and get more-or-less exactly what you'd get if you just used their product.

Re:Wow! This blows me away. (1)

lattyware (934246) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500434)

With android, it's different. That's to do with the companies behind the phones not being willing to share. They clearly intend to make this fully supported.

Prasanna (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497386)

I was an early user of EtherPad and loved it! Took it up to host and maintain the site.
Try it out: http://www.ietherpad.com

Cheers.

Re:Prasanna (1)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499076)

Nice to see another open EP server. I'd suggest coming up with your own front page rather than ripping off Etherpad's, though. It could lead to confusion.

Etherpad Wiki? (5, Interesting)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497452)

What about using EtherPad for Wikis? Seems the perfect match: The learning curve is lower than for current Wiki markup (and ease of editing was one point of Wikis, after all), the history function is already included, and since it's now Open Source, the missing functionality (especially Wiki links) could easily be added.

Re:Etherpad Wiki? (2, Insightful)

emj (15659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497952)

Wikimedia is investigating WYSIWYG editting, and I think their conclusion was that "Yeah it works, but you can't mix it with text edits". There is something special about mediawiki text and Latex, which many current contributors like.

Re:Etherpad Wiki? (1)

shaka (13165) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500684)

Of course you can mix it with...

This is how far I came in my quick rebuttal of your statement, before actually investigating the matter. After spending two hours doing that, I have come to the conclusion that you are absolutely correct, sir! Turns out, there is no formal definition of the MediaWiki syntax - it's just a number of regular expressions, and the implementation is the de facto standard.

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WYSIWYG_editor#State_of_WYSIWYG_and_MediaWiki_software [mediawiki.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki#Limitations [wikipedia.org]

That's too bad, but they seem to be doing work to standardize that, and then it's just a matter of time before in-page editing. Of course, full browser support for MathML and SVG would also be great.

faxpad project to replace etherpad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30497500)

As the owner of faxpad.com domain i have offered it for use to further the faxpad opensource project to replace etherpad.

http://www.twitter.com/JasonSnitker

IRC (1)

Frigo (1702110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497734)

yay multiplayer notepad

Meh (1)

MacGyver2210 (1053110) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497742)

Wake me up when it can use OneNote documents and you can put more than just text on the pad.

Re:Meh (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497860)

Or it can be the other way around and MS' awful little OneNote can do the work to conform with others.

Excellent Summary (4, Interesting)

glwtta (532858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497820)

I just have one tiny question after reading it: What the fuck is Etherpad?

Re:Excellent Summary (1)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30497882)

It's the place where you put your narcotics. :-)

Re:Excellent Summary (1)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498016)

RTFFP

(FP as in First Post)

Re:Excellent Summary (2, Funny)

maxwell demon (590494) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498086)

Well, the first post is just a classic first post, rightly moderated down to -1. You probably meant RTFSP.

Re:Excellent Summary (1)

Fumus (1258966) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499996)

Sorry. I meant RTFFPTIMU.

(That is Modded Up)

Re:Excellent Summary (1)

GaryOlson (737642) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498388)

The place where all your packets go to crash when they can't route anymore and need some down time.

Re:Excellent Summary (1)

sowth (748135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30499370)

Good question. I had to click a couple of links to get to the home page [etherpad.com] :

EtherPad is the only web-based word processor that allows people to work together in really real-time. When multiple people edit the same document simultaneously, any changes are instantly reflected on everyone's screen. The result is a new and productive way to collaborate on text documents, ..

To understand how it is really different, you need to read the FAQ:

For example, with Google Docs it takes about 5 to 15 seconds for a change to make its way from your keyboard to other people's screens. Imagine if whiteboards or telephones had this kind of delay! In contrast, the EtherPad infrastructure is built to carry your every keystroke at the speed of light, limited only by the time it takes electrons to travel over a wire (such as an "ethernet" cable).

I'm mostly using it to learn from (1)

MarkWatson (189759) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498308)

After building and running it locally yesterday morning, I started studying the code. I am not to interested in deploying it right now, but I might set it up in the future for use by family, friends, and customers.

I've had a Wave account for about 6 months (sandbox and beta) and I am more interested in building applications on top of Wave rather than hacking on the EtherPad code base. I am interested in learnng from the codebase however :-)

Twitter message about downtime (1)

livingdeadline (884462) | more than 4 years ago | (#30498864)

Apparently the Pirate Party has to move Piratepad [twitter.com] to a new server already...

anyone want to write shakespere ? (1)

danknight (570145) | more than 4 years ago | (#30500792)

All we need is 1000 slashdotters and etherpad!
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