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Verizon Removes Search Choices For BlackBerrys

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the you've-been-bung dept.

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shrugger writes "I picked up my BlackBerry this morning to do a search and noticed Bing as my default search engine. I thought this was very strange, since I didn't pick this setting. I went to change it back to Google and, to my chagrin, Bing was my only option! Apparently Verizon has pushed an update that removes all search providers except Bing. Thanks a lot Verizon!" The Reg notes: "The move is part of the five-year search and advertising deal Verizon signed with Microsoft in January for a rumored $500m."

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Do you hear me now?? (5, Funny)

kiloechonovember (1704288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519084)

Oh we hear you Verizon, apparently you just don't care.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519096)

"We don't have to care, we're the phone company."

Re:Do you hear me now?? (1)

Pharmboy (216950) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519160)

Ruth Buzzy was right.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519230)

Lily Tomlin, you mean. :-)

Re:Do you hear me now?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519428)

Dave Jenkins Calder Benson Jim Cooper Chuck Youngblood

Re:Do you hear me now?? (5, Funny)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519298)

Ah, the wonderful sound of thousands of cancelled contracts! Nothing quite like it.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519496)

I can find a better reason to switch carriers. Plus I hear Bing has better privacy than Google. Just sayin'.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (5, Insightful)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519122)

Go download the Google app in the meantime.

My initial reaction is just pure anger. I have settings, I like those settings. To have them just overwritten, and to take away my choice of a search provider just reeks to me. BTW - Way to go pushing that Google Android based phone, and then piss off your BB users with a Bing deal.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (4, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519186)

If I had option of Droid on T-Mobile, I would get one today. The only reason I did not get one is Verizon. I am not willing to sell my soul to either Verizon or AT&T - even if that means not carrying a mobile phone altogether.

Thank god for T-Mobile.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (4, Informative)

darthflo (1095225) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519306)

There [google.com] you go. It's a Moto Droid with quadband GSM instead of CDMA innards. Put any T-Mobile SIM in there and you're good to go. If you're getting a contract anyways, you may want to get one of their $1 phones and eBay it to get some of those $600 back.

Let me know how you like it!

Re:Do you hear me now?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519376)

Does it do 3G at 1700MHz?

Re:Do you hear me now?? (2, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519408)

Thanks. Did not think about that option.

But two problems:
1. Will definitely have to get a phone on contract and ebay it - if I am on their network for long time, I would rather I use their subsidy. And I am not good at ebaying stuff.
2. (More importantly) Unfortunately, the phone wont be able to use T-Mobile 3G network. Here is more detail on it - http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Non-T-Mobile-Devices/Motorla-Milestone-GSM-ver-of-Verizon-Droid-A855/td-p/272760 [t-mobile.com]

Re:Do you hear me now?? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519438)

Try a n900 then, it works on all t-mobile freqs. Its missing one of the att 3G bands though.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (1)

slashchuck (617840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519334)

Waiting for Nexus One.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (2, Interesting)

gavron (1300111) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519342)

If you're happy with TMO in your area, the Nokia N900 is a better choice than the Droid.

I have both, and while I love VZW's coverage, I love the N900 UI.

E
P.S. I'm keeping the N900 for Intl travel... and using the VZW Droid for here where I need to be able to make and hold a call...

Re:Do you hear me now?? (5, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519352)

Go download the Google app in the meantime.

My initial reaction is just pure anger. I have settings, I like those settings. To have them just overwritten, and to take away my choice of a search provider just reeks to me. BTW - Way to go pushing that Google Android based phone, and then piss off your BB users with a Bing deal.

The law should allow you to cancel your contract with no early termination penalty of any sort anytime the telco unilaterally and irreversibly reduces the phone's configuration like this. This behavior should legally negate any "terms subject to change without notice" clauses. It's a form of bait-and-switch, because when you bought the phone you were able to decide which search service to use and now that decision has been removed without your consent after you signed the contract.

If it only applied to new phones with new contracts, or to existing customers whose contracts are renewing (and thus can be terminated with no penalty) I'd feel differently about it. It's waiting until you are locked into a contract with specific expectations and then reducing (instead of improving) the functionality of the device mid-term that I have a problem with.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (1)

yakumo.unr (833476) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519396)

Totally agree, wish i had mod points today.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (5, Informative)

zizzo (86200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519500)

Agreed. If you are affected you should probably contact the FCC or the FTC and complain about this.

Re:Do you hear me now?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519480)

Odd, my storm still has google set as the default.

Another reason not to go Verizon! (2, Insightful)

Syntroxis (564739) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519088)

Not gonna do it.

Re:Another reason not to go Verizon! (3, Interesting)

skine (1524819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519176)

The bigger problem is the people who are "stuck" with Verizon for the next (up to) 24 months, and not those considering a new plan with Verizon.

Re:Another reason not to go Verizon! (5, Interesting)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519216)

Personally I'd try to argue my way up the manager food chain that this change is significant enough that I should be allowed to renegotiate or get out of the contract with no penalties.

No idea how well that would work with verizon, every company is different, but I've done the same in similar situations with other companies/services.

Re:Another reason not to go Verizon! (4, Interesting)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519430)

Not gonna do it.

I haven't heard anything good about Verizon Wireless that made me want to do business with them in a very long time. They seem to be competing with themselves to see how much bad press they can drum up in the shortest possible time. What a sharp contrast to my personal experience with their DSL service, which has been amazingly hassle-free (no bandwidth caps, no ports filtered, no restrictions on running servers, etc). It's a shame because this one division seems hell-bent on giving a bad name to the entire company. This deal with Microsoft may be for $500 million, but I wonder what that figure would be if you adjusted for ill will and lost sales from potential customers who see this kind of thing and decide to go elsewhere.

Droid (0)

DesertBlade (741219) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519116)

How would this affect the droid? Freedom of choice is sooooooo overrated anyways. And anyways most people prefer being told what to do, and think and 10/15 people that tried bing like it more than google.

Re:Droid (1)

blueg3 (192743) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519128)

So far, it hasn't.

Re:Droid (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519392)

Apple and AT&T have been only allowing one set of search providers, stores, Web browsers, and API. And people flock to their products.

Someone forces their devices to do the same thing, people scream bloody murder.

Why? Because people *had* the choice before, and it was taken away from them. With Apple, you know you will be using Safari or nothing, iTMS or nothing, Apple App store or nothing, and AT&T (in the US) or nothing. The deal with this device is that people didn't sign up knowing that their choices of search providers would be taken away.

Wait for 2010 (0)

vrmlguy (120854) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519124)

Looks like you're stuck until the Nexus One comes out, then you can just move your SIM card over.

Re:Wait for 2010 (4, Informative)

lorenlal (164133) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519154)

Verizon doesn't use SIMs. In fact, I'm pretty sure the SIM slot in my Verizon phone is disabled.

Re:Wait for 2010 (3, Interesting)

mlts (1038732) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519422)

It would be nice for Verizon and Sprint to use R-UIM cards. From what I know, Chinese CDMA providers use these on a widespread basis. It saves them money over time because a user can upgrade devices without needing to have the cellular provider need to enter the device's IMEI number at their end.

Re:Wait for 2010 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519514)

They do have a few SIM slot bearing, dual radio phones. My BlackBerry Storm, for example. I am an AT&T customer (and they suck balls too btw) but I use the Storm. I don't get 3G data, but where I live that's actually a blessing, as any iPhone user around my area can attest.

F*ck you Verizon (4, Insightful)

vinn (4370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519134)

F*ck you Verizon. You know, I used to manage a 500 phone cell contract at the last company I worked for. I actually liked Verizon then. They had great support and offered decent phones (although it still took them a year to get the RAZR, the hot phone at the time.) We had some great regional sales reps too. Warranties were hassle free and we appreciated that. I moved jobs three years ago. It came time to consider switching cell providers and I naively assumed Verizon was the same. Sure, they're rates were still about the same, but everything else has changed with the company. I hate dealing with them now and they're the bane of my existence. I had SEVERAL regional reps outright lie to me this year. I hate them.

Re:F*ck you Verizon (3, Informative)

trapnest (1608791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519190)

I have to deal with Verizon as an ISP here for a few of my clients. I can't recall all the times a Verizon screwup has caused problems for me.

You mean Fuck (4, Insightful)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519214)

Honestly how angry can you be if you still have to censor the word fuck? Whats next C*ap and F*rt?

Re:You mean Fuck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519386)

It's spelled Cr*p.

Remind me how much AT&T sucks again (4, Insightful)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519140)

No matter how much AT&T sucks, Verizon will always lead the competition in that category.

Re:Remind me how much AT&T sucks again (4, Funny)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519228)

There's a map for that? =)

Re:Remind me how much AT&T sucks again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519250)

That's not the kind of competition people are looking for.

Uh...to avoid the inevitable:

You can go about your business. Move along.

Re:Remind me how much AT&T sucks again (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519432)

Sorry. They both are same. I stay away from any offspring of Ma Bell.

Reminds me why Verizon didn't get the iPhone (1)

jinushaun (397145) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519522)

Verizon hates choice, that's why they passed up on the original iPhone. For them, it's their network, their phone.

If you need to do this... (4, Insightful)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519150)

If you need to push your product by paying another company to force your product to be used, I don't think that says very good things about your product. Moreover, it is going to make many people simply react negatively to being forced to use Bing. On the other hand, given the massive head start that Google has over Bing, it is understandable that Microsoft would try tactics like this. Presumably if they are still trying this sort of thing in two or three years that would indicate a much more serious problem. Honestly, having tried both Google and Bing I've found them to be close to the same quality. I prefer Google but primary for the interface.

Re:If you need to do this... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519242)

Yea but from the same artilce:

"It should be said, however, that according to press reports, Google was in talks with Verizon over a similar search deal before the Microsoft pact was finalized"

Sounds like google was working on doing pretty much the same thing. Microsoft just beat them to it. This is about money, not about the quality of the product.

Re:If you need to do this... (4, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519382)

Ultimately how bad this is depends on the terms of the deal. Is the search engine the default option on new devices, or is it the only option forced on existing customers who didn't know something like this could happen when they signed up? That sort of thing makes a big difference.

Either way, I think the real culprit here is Verizon. It's understandable that Microsoft or Google would want some kind of deal for search engine placement. We all know Google pays Mozilla for placement as the default engine. The problem is more about how little regard Verizon has for their own customers-- so little that they think it's perfectly appropriate to go in and screw with a customer's phone remotely.

Re:If you need to do this... (3, Interesting)

innerweb (721995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519488)

Google pays Mozzila for initial placement. That I can change when I want to. Nah, this just means no AT&T and no Verizon for us (my family).

Re:If you need to do this... (2, Interesting)

jc42 (318812) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519530)

Is the search engine the default option on new devices, or is it the only option forced on existing customers who didn't know something like this could happen when they signed up?

According to the summary, it was done to the writer's phone that had been using google; he found that google was no longer an allowed search engine and he had to use bing.

It does seem like this sort of arrogant restriction should be legal ground for abrogating the contract. It should also be additional evidence in the "Net Neutrality" debate, since it's a good example of how current internet providers are blocking net access to prevent you from dealing with companies that haven't paid them for access to customers.

I wonder if any Verizon customers are discussing a class-action suit yet ...

Re:If you need to do this... (1)

228e2 (934443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519486)

Hmm, if the article did say this, how is this modded troll?

Re:If you need to do this... (3, Interesting)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519362)

It is a little on the suspicious side for anyone paying attention to see this sort of thing--essentially, they're saying that nobody uses their engine voluntarily so they have to pay to force people to use it. Kinda makes me wonder what's -wrong- with it.

I've used Bing a couple times, mostly by accident because the corporate image only has IE available and forgetting to complete an address in the search bar brings you there. I didn't really like the 'feel' of it, but that could possibly be because of my not being used to its foibles. Certainly I'm not likely to go spontaneously switching to it, given that I've spent a lot of time learning exactly what search terms to use in other places to get the result I'm looking for.

Re:If you need to do this... (2, Informative)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519410)

google does the exact same thing and has for a while

to push android they have a revenue sharing agreement with other companies. check out abovethecrowd.com.

Re:If you need to do this... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519414)

This has been standard Microsoft behavior. Whether it says good things about your product, it's exactly the sort of bundling that concerned the DOJ.

Too bad the DOJ was eviscerated by the Bush twins, and Obama doesn't show any signs of replacing the excised organs.

Re:If you need to do this... (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519510)

If you need to push your product by paying another company to force your product to be used, I don't think that says very good things about your product.

Nonsense. Google as a lot of lockin. I'm often curious about other search engines, but it's always too much trouble to give them a proper trial. Any software tool has users that just can't be bothered to switch. Look at Yahoo: they never really did provide a good search solution (the original product was just a glorified bookmark page!) yet they dominated the market for a long time, just because they got there first. If Google hadn't been so unavoidably superior (they were they first search engine to realize that any search solution had to be able to scale fast enough to keep up with the web's absurd growth), Yahoo would still be on top.

That said, bribing a carrier to lock out your competitors is pretty dubious. And although Verizon is also acting questionably, the main lesson I take from this is the Blackberry is a poor choice if you want control of your own device.

A more appropriate option (4, Insightful)

StreetStealth (980200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519152)

The appropriate way to ink this deal would have been to simply make Bing the default instead of actually removing the competitors. It would have been worth less money to Verizon, but far more in terms of customer loyalty.

I have a Droid with verizon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519162)

And Bing is nowhere in sight, nor will it likely ever be.

Don't worry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519164)

There is an app for that!

Bing... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519174)

Bing, the sound of thousands of Verizon customers finding a new provider...

Thanks verizon. (2, Interesting)

trapnest (1608791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519178)

Thank you Verizon, always looking out for what's best for us.

Yet another reason why I left Verizon for T-Mobile.

Re:Thanks verizon. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519402)

Cheers! I did the same thing a year ago and I haven't looked back once.

That doesn't sound like a "push" to me . . . (4, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519184)

Apparently Verizon has pushed an update that removes all search providers except Bing.

. . . more like a "shove."

Re:That doesn't sound like a "push" to me . . . (5, Funny)

SpecBear (769433) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519264)

I think "thrust" might be more appropriate here.

Boycott, anyone? (5, Insightful)

sethens (1705378) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519196)

Honestly -- did Microsoft learn nothing from the browser war? Its anti-trust lawsuits? Even if this sort of move is not technically illegal, they're sure to gain more enemies than friends in the tech community. I was never keen on the blackberry, but the sliver of interest I had in the product is now gone.

Re:Boycott, anyone? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519322)

Anger at BB for this? I have no interest in owning a BB either personally, but if I was a VZ customer, I'd be pissed at VZ - not MS or BB. MS is simply trying to market a turd, and BB is simply BB. VZ is the one that crossed the lines, imo.

Re:Boycott, anyone? (2, Insightful)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519512)

Honestly -- did Microsoft learn nothing from the browser war? Its anti-trust lawsuits? Even if this sort of move is not technically illegal, they're sure to gain more enemies than friends in the tech community. I was never keen on the blackberry, but the sliver of interest I had in the product is now gone.

What Microsoft learned is that the general public has an extremely short memory and will continue to assume good-faith on the part of companies who have given every reason to doubt that. It's similar to what politicians learned a long time ago.

I noticed that also... (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519198)

Last weekend I suddenly had a "Bing" icon on the top row of my Tour. First thought was "I don't want this" and moved it to the "unused" folder where all the built-in apps go for which I have no use.

You can smell the desperation in the air (4, Insightful)

Tisha_AH (600987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519200)

Wow, AT&T with it's lock-in of the iPhone, now Verizon with a lock-in to Bing. Can it be that this is the only way that Microsoft can get people to use Bing?

I tried Bing, gave it a fair shake and ended up back with Google. To have my choices taken away by my phone carrier in a backroom deal between Microsoft and Verizon would get me looking for a new carrier.

Of course, Microsoft has been in this business for a long time so they can give lessons to Verizon.

Innovation (1)

adoarns (718596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519218)

This is the genus of consumer-friendly innovation net neutrality would kill. Do we really want that?

Re:Innovation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519312)

Tell me again what would change? Not that I would want a phone from Verizon anyway, I tried a couple of cell phone companies before finding one that seems to suck a little less than the others. But they all do whatever they darn please.

Not for OS 5 (1)

SlashDPC (931574) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519232)

I run a leaked beta version of OS 5.0 on my Verizon Blackberry Tour and this change didn't affect me. I still have Google, Live Search, Wikipedia, and Dictionary.com for search engine choices.

Re:Not for OS 5 (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519320)

It's only for BIS users I would assume as VZW shouldn't have the ability to push to BES connected devices, which are you connecting your Tour to?

Re:Not for OS 5 (2, Interesting)

Mr. Spontaneous (784926) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519398)

I'm running the official 5.0 on my Storm 9530 w/BIS and still have the same 4 search providers.

Any chance that Verizon accidentally pushed a malformed service book?

argh, really? (2, Insightful)

TakeoffZebra (1651327) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519244)

So Google provides the OS for the big Droid push, then gets its trademark search engine blocked? Not only is this offensive to Google, but to the consumers as well. The fact that Verizon accepted a payoff for the sole purpose of limiting usability on the customer's end is infuriating. There comes a point when capitalism is taken too far...

Re:argh, really? (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519366)

It isn't capitalism. If it was true capitalism there would be competition because there wouldn't be government regulations/payouts that helped Verizon and MS in the first place. If it wasn't for the government intentionally creating monopolies with the first AT&T then breaking up the artificial monopoly, we wouldn't have had Verizion in the first place. The mobile phone market != Capitalism.

Oblig. Simpsons (1)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519268)

<Nelson> Ha ha! </Nelson>

From all the horror stories, I actually am glad I have ATT rather than Verizon. Gosh, I never thought I'd say that.

At least I CHOSE to be locked in with Apple. I knew what I was signing up for.

Honestly, I feel sorry for us all. It's important to have at least one major provider that is open and not locked in.

It seems everyone is copying Apple's model now, which is NOT what I was expecting! Where's the innovation guys?

Re:Oblig. Simpsons (1)

KublaiKhan (522918) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519404)

Apple didn't originate the lock-in with exclusive hardware and upgrade path business model. You can probably blame IBM for that one, though goodness knows enough computer manufacturers have used variations on that theme in the past...

(Hell, I'm sure it goes back to the Jacquard loom)

Support open hardware and software (4, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519274)

I own an openmoko, which has some hardware limitations, but I like the fact that I control its configuration almost as far as I control the configuration of my laptops and servers.

If you don't want to be treated as a captive audience by your service provider then put your money down on a phone which gives you control.

I know its a cliche, but with Apple et al getting on the app store bandwagon, and google linking phones, the OS and advertising, the old GNU issues around Free software are becoming more real.

Re:Support open hardware and software (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519484)

Yeah, but the difference seems to be between usability and the total lack of. While I would like an open device, I would also like something reliable. For example, the last time I checked OpenMoko, calls still wouldn't work all the time. Its kinda important for me that my OS doesn't randomly not answer calls or receive text messages.

Really, even though its closed, Android is a nice alternative. It is stable, has lots of application support, lots of phones and most are easily rooted to do whatever with. Yeah, mid 2006 OpenMoko had promise, now I don't see the point. They really failed to deliver.

And this is the reason for Android (1)

NeutronCowboy (896098) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519280)

Google actually saw this coming, and this is why they put some effort behind the Android. As far as I can tell, the agreement is for specific types of phones, and doesn't cover the Android. Google doesn't want Verizon and ATT-style companies to choke off a giant market for Google's advertising business. Conversely, I'm quite happy that Google is going the route of releasing an open phone, because it means that a significant item in my computing gear won't necessarily be controlled by a company like Verizon and ATT.

SEO fantasy (1)

speedlaw (878924) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519296)

Anyone who has fought Search Engine Wars can feel this. "hey, we'll make you the ONLY choice in your category" is a seductive argument. I guess if you are Microsoft you CAN buy that placement.

Search/advertising deal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519302)

anyone know if this search/advertising deal affects Verizons other phones, such as the Droid?

msft/appl/goog (1)

supernova87a (532540) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519314)

Does this mean that the iPhone will not be coming to Verizon?

Shameful... (2, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519324)

From now on, whenever Microsoft talks of providing choice, remember this deal in which Microsoft appears to have removed any choice of search from Verizon's users.

Why phones have to be decoupled from the network (5, Insightful)

Johnny Loves Linux (1147635) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519336)

This demonstrates exactly why the phone network provider has to be decoupled from the cell phone vendor. What is the subtext of this? That the consumers are nothing more than serfs for the phone network providers to buy and sell as they please. That's the point. You have NO choice with Verizon. It's not YOUR phone it's THEIR phone.

Microsoft couldn't pay enough people to use exclusively bing *and* keep their word, so why bother with the common citizen and instead go directly to the phone network? After all, the phone network is the only the thing that matters. Who gives a F*** about you and me and what *we* want? Certainly not verizon with this maneuver. The worst part? I don't think it has even occurred to the management at verizon how deeply offensive this maneuver is. To FORCIBLY lock people into 1 choice of search engine?!?! WTF? What are they smoking?!?!

I think it's time that Congress and the President (who's a blackberry customer) is informed of what exactly verizon thinks of their freedom of choice. Talk about Dumb Ass Maneuver!

Heh (1)

Acecoolco (1012419) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519364)

I was actually about to buy a blackberry for the holidays and switch from a pay as you go phone provider to a contact provider. However, do to this, I will not be choosing Verizon and I will not be purchasing a Blackberry. Shame for them, because I make a lot of overseas calls (currently at 15 cents per minute from my phone, or 2.1 cents per minute from Skype)

Re:Heh (1)

Acecoolco (1012419) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519380)

Due to this.. not do to this...

Can't you learn anything from the Scandinavia? (2, Interesting)

rzei (622725) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519372)

Go and demand your gsm subscriptions and your mobiles separately.

Easy as that. Unless you are already past the point when there are only these mega corporations (Verizon + AT&T) selling you what ever bigger companies want.

Buy Nokia :) (The cheapest ones, you don't get angry when destroy the damn thing next friday when you're drunk! You don't really need all those fancy features, you just want to make a call, send an sms and every phone can run Opera Mini)

Well, (1)

azav (469988) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519374)

looks like I'm not using my Crackberry for search if that is the case. Thankfully, Google is still an option on mine.

Guess I'll have to actually go to the the Google page to search if this happens.

instant lawsuit? instant FCC fines? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519378)

who dreams up this stupid shit? God I hate technology

I have Verizon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519384)

...and a Motorola Droid and Google is still my default search as of posting.

Would be kinda weird if they swapped it for my Droid as it was advertised as "with Google" and even says Google on the back casing...

Must be only for specific phones.

Go get Google app for BB? (1)

marcushnk (90744) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519388)

I'm in Australia with a Telstra BB, but can you install Google app ?
That will give you Google search.
http://www.google.com/mobile [google.com]

Anti-Combine legislation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519390)

Failure to provide or allow competition in the marketplace is not a crime. If it were, microsoft would have been incarcerated years ago. There are lots of numb-heads who quickly shout "oh, let the market figure it out". OK, the market will figure it out. If you think Bing is more bong than the real thing, and prefer Googlle instead, then DROP VERIZON LIKE A BAD DATE! Kick them to the curb and don't look back. They might not mind taking the $500 million, but unless you (as a customer see a lot of that action), then its just an inconvenience for you. Imagine this picture: You standing beside the dumpster, holding out the phone so that it will fall into the dumpster. You call up Verizon, then tell them what you think, then shout "Hey Verizon, Can You Hear Me Now??, and drop that bad boy into the can.

So much for consumer choice! (4, Informative)

davecrusoe (861547) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519406)

Unfortunately, here's yet another reason to MOVE MY PHONES AWAY FROM VERIZON. Recently, we found out that Verizon was charging for data (1mb of data transfer) when I accidentally hit the "Get it now" key that is hard-coded, pre-programmed, into my phone - without any labeling and without any option to repurpose the keystroke.

This seems to come on top of everything else as yet another reason to choose another vendor - Google, hopefully! - and not Verizon.

They're gonna need more money...! (1)

kcoriginal (1705388) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519420)

I hope for Verizon's sake that Verizon got the money in that deal... cause this is just another reason that my money stops at the end of this contract... 102 days to go... Woooo Hooooo!!!

Govt? (1)

countach (534280) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519434)

Doesn't the government have anything to say about this? I think here in Australia the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission would probably have something to say about something like this. Anti-competive behavior or something.

Not on mine (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519448)

I have a Blackberry Curve with Verizon, and I still have Google listed.

My Experience (5, Informative)

duchessjane (1705392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519450)

After reading several Blackberry message board posts from Verizon users that got Binged, I kept checking for it every time I did a reboot or battery pull. After one reboot, I noticed a new icon with the Bing logo. I clicked it. It said it wanted to change my default and had the "I Agree" and "I Disagree" choices. I clicked "I Disagree" and then deleted the Bing icon. I'm a Verizon Blackberry user with Google as my default search. Bing doesn't even appear on the menu.

No, not exactly (4, Insightful)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519458)

I have a BlackBerry Storm through Verizon, and the other day I noticed the Bing icon show up on my screen, which I thought was strange, but seeing as how I'm sort of generally disenchanted with Google these days, I didn't really care. However, if you open up the actual browser app instead of clicking the new icon, then you can still search via Google by default in there without any disruption.

Verizon didn't remove search choice, and they aren't forcing Bing, they just stuck an extra icon on the phone. Delete it and move on. Seriously.

Get out of your contract (1)

Blasphemy (78348) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519470)

This sounds like a materially adverse change to your Blackberry service. You should be able to cancel your contract without an ETF. Maybe if enough people do this, they will fix it.

Opera To the Rescue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30519474)

I have Opera on my CrackBerry and not only is it a superior browser, but it searches Goog with no issues... :) Sweet.

Cheers!

This is what the whole internet would be like ... (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519494)

... if we had let corporations create it. And it's what it will be like if we don't keep them in check with net neutrality.

Illegal? (1)

muphin (842524) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519526)

Limiting your phone to a certain search provider, would be considered illegal right? not providing options to competitors
1. you have the anti-trust suit going on; now Microsoft makes a deal to remove options from a phone limiting it to Microsoft search, providing no choice, illegal?
2. a non critical change from an update without the user opting out of the change could be illegal?
3. isn't a phone deal, the phone, the phones connection and the phones calls, not what's on the phone? if its the later than isn't the company making the changes liable for damages?
4. in the contract does it state your locked into using bing as a search? and if Verizon is making money off your searches aren't you entitled to know that?

i am interested to see if a suit follows after this change, how it effected contracts before the microsoft deal

Mass stop pay (1)

Skapare (16644) | more than 4 years ago | (#30519534)

Would Verizon survive a mass stop pay? Or would they ask the government for a bailout?

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