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The Chinese Route To a Web Free of Porn

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the regarding-babies-and-bathwater dept.

Censorship 420

An anonymous reader writes "Despite repeated 'for the children' campaigns, the Western Web as a whole has provided little or no isolation of pornography. This is why the Chinese are now attempting to march to a place where no country has been before: a Web without porn. Recent regulations have included closing down 'vulgar' mobile sites, disconnecting 'obscene' servers, and restricting domain registrations. Yet the breaking news for Monday is that China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains: in particular, any e-commerce will have to register locally and obey Chinese law before they get whitelisted. Domains will otherwise be 'irresolvable' to Chinese Internet users. Meanwhile, the government is promoting this campaign heavily, calling it a 'fresh start.' It seems the Chinese may have to do without the Internet, before they can rid it of porn."

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420 comments

Anyone else read that as (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520646)

The Chinese Route to Web of Free Porn?

Re:Anyone else read that as (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520654)

No its just you.

Re:Anyone else read that as (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520758)

sigh. another lame ass meme. hey wow, you can't fucking read, isn't that hilarious. woo hoo for you. tee hee its like you saw what you wanted to see instead of what was there, cuz you cant fucking read correctly, it is like the epitome of humor man, especially after seeing that same joke over and over again on this web site. really though i wish this nigger shit would just get modded to -1 redundant.

Re:Anyone else read that as (5, Funny)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520836)

haha you said nigger. woo hoo for you. tee hee its so shocking, it's like we're all sitting here going "oh no he dint" and you're like "oh yes I did, I said it, nigger". brilliant, original, edgy, shocking, way to buck society man.

Re:Anyone else read that as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520876)

The Chinese Route to Web of Free Porn?

As a matter of fact ...

And then I got to thinking what free communist porn would look like :o

Re:Anyone else read that as (1)

grimw (1253370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520950)

I definitely did read it like that. I was like, "Wow, the Chinese are pulling a 180!" Then I read the summary and got a little confused.

Re:Anyone else read that as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521004)

+1

Re:Anyone else read that as (3, Funny)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521084)

Just like those "free drug" workplaces?

Really? (4, Interesting)

rbcd (1518507) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520656)

Yet the breaking news for Monday is that the China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains: in particular, any e-commerce will have to register locally and obey Chinese law before they get whitelisted.

Where does it say that? Citation needed!

Re:Really? (1)

ebonum (830686) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520844)

I'm searching, and I can't find it on Google.

I would very much like to see this from a credible source.

Re:Really? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520872)

chinese news [chinatimes.com]

google.ca translate [google.ca]

I suspect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520658)

[quote]the China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains[/quote]

written by a Chinese person?

Re:I suspect... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520678)

[quote]the China is planning to enforce a whitelist on foreign domains[/quote]

written by a Chinese person?

learn how to do html quotes you nimrod or click on the quote parent button

So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (4, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520662)

NSFW warning on all following links!

So that takes care of wikipedia.org or are they censoring en.wikipedia.org differently than zh.wikipedia.org? Because while an English [wikipedia.org] versus Chinese [wikipedia.org] article may be more "culturally sensitive," there's still some unavoidable images [wikipedia.org] no matter how different they are from the original [wikipedia.org] . If they've never had to deal with the artwork versus pornography issue, they're soon going to discover that banning National Geographic for images of unclothed peoples is just not educationally sound.

Looks like we've got a new amusingly painful chapter ahead of us for Chinese internet users.

As a side note, I don't know if we ended up covering this story but citizens apparently can't register domains anymore either [slashdot.org] .

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (2, Informative)

A12m0v (1315511) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520698)

China did block Wikipedia before. I can see them doing it again, and maybe this time permanently. Unless Wikipedia makes a China-friendly version.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_of_Wikipedia_by_the_People's_Republic_of_China [wikipedia.org]
http://shanghaiist.com/archives/2005/10/20/you_bastards_wi.php [shanghaiist.com]
http://www.itworld.com/040614wikipedia [itworld.com]
http://angrychineseblogger.blog-city.com/china_blocks_wikipedia_again.htm [blog-city.com]

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (2, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520746)

Your Virgin Killer link isnt NSFW because they don't use the "bad" album cover, but I'm speaking from an American perspective.

Looks like we've got a new amusingly painful chapter ahead of us for Chinese internet users.

Serious question here, since trying to Google it brings up too many polluted results(read: Asian porn) -- Is it legal or even possible to buy porn in China? Like, going to a store and buying magazines or videos? I'm trying to determine just how much of a red herring censorship due to "porn" is since most of us grew up in places where buying paper porn is legal(if the buyer is of age, of course).

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (2, Informative)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520772)

You have been able to buy magazines of artsy nude photos legitimately for about three years now. Anything more explicit than that is illegal. That doesn't mean you can't get it, though - pr0n DVDs are very easy to find.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

PhantomHarlock (189617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521160)

I have a website with tasteful art-nude images on it, among many other types of photography and artwork, and I have had the entire site blocked by filtering companies quite frequently. A friend who works at a government office found my website blocked, most recently. I don't hold high chances that it will be accessible in China any time soon.

Invariably there is no distinction drawn between artistic nudity and images that would generally be classed as obscene or pornographic. This is a big problem here in the US with private filtering companies. For legal purposes it's very clear, and obscene material must meet three criteria. [lectlaw.com]

Filtering companies tend to err on the side of fanaticism with regard to any kind of nudity whatsoever.

Of course, one person's obscene is another person's fetish, and even the obscenity law here is nothing more than a value judgment being made by the tyranny of the majority ("contemporary community standards").

Also, paying people per site to find 'pornographic' sites will result in mass overkill and false reporting, much like when innocent people were rounded up when we offered a bounty to Afghani locals for bringing suspected Taliban.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (3, Interesting)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520826)

Yes. Go to any DVD shop and ask for "huang de DVD" (yellow DVD, in Chinese yellow means porno, think "blue movies"). They have them behind the counter. They're not that great, mostly Hong Kong and Taiwan actresses. Pretty generic scenes. Funny though, all the male pornstars have small cocks.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521022)

Funny though, all the male pornstars have small cocks.

You mean pr0n that doesn't make you wanna rush out and buy "enlargement pills" (or bits of Siberian Tigers). I can see why the authorities want to keep that under wraps!

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1, Insightful)

NotWithABang (1570431) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520806)

While I'm not a big advocate of restricting knowledge, I think there's something to be said for parental supervision to make sure a mind has reached sufficient maturity before dealing with certain facts of life. China may be going way overboard here, but maybe the rest of us aren't doing enough. Seriously, when I was 8 years old I remember the female body parts and "nudie" pictures being a thing of myth and legend. Getting your first peak at "adult" material was almost a coming of age event.

Now? Type "vagina" into your google search bar. Click on the first link. BAM! Know any 8 year olds that can't do that these days? I sure don't.

And please don't try the "it's the parent's job to monitor their kids" argument; when the kids are surrounded by restricted materials 24/7 parents would have to hold their kids eyes shut 24/7 to stand a chance. With Internet access being as ubiquitous as it is, there's no way to guarantee young Johnny or little Billy won't get some quality alone-time with Google before they're ready for it.

I fear for the future generations. I really do.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520852)

The father of one of my sons friends asked me about filtered internet feeds and filtering software because he is separated from his wife and he needs to use it to bargain for custody. I wasn't really able to help but I made some suggestions and I assume he found a suitable system.

The people who want these systems can go and get them. There isn't really a need for them to be forced on to people.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520884)

What ill effects, exactly, do you fear?

The internet certainly makes porn rather easier to get than it has been in the recent past; but I'm not sure that it is something to get all that worked up over. Heck, the ability to afford enough rooms that the kids don't have to watch their parents, and the whole family doesn't have to watch the livestock, is a fairly recent innovation, on the historical scale.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

ikono (1180291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520904)

Wait, so you are saying that a child's "coming-of-age" porn-look is supervised by a parent? I don't see any difference, other than bringing up the demystification of nudity, between a first peek at people furping on the internet than on a fuzzy VHS or snowy ppv channel...

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520976)

Best way to fix that problem is to put the computers in the living room or other place where the family gathers. this make its difficult to sneak stuff. My friend grew up like that, computer in living room. This was back in the day of gif porn from bbs's and 1.44 floppy's. I had a few floppies full and could view them when no one was around the computer/office room. He couldn't. But that wont stop them from seeing unwanted material at friends homes. You just have to accept that sooner or later your child is going to see it. Hell I first saw porn when I was 9 after my friend discovered her dads stash.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (5, Insightful)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520998)

Why does a "vagina" have to be taboo?! If parents with 14th-century mentalities had spines and didn't make everything a "forbidden fruit", then kids wouldn't have a reason to become obsessed with finding the "meaning" of sex. A vagina is a part of the body like an arm or a leg. It performs one or more functions. Sex is a process, it performs a function. Sex takes raw materials and uses other natural bodily processes to build something. What's so funny about that?

Teaching children that things which come naturally to them are "taboo" only leads to confusion or worse. Though I understand where you're coming from, I'm one of those poor saps who felt the need during adolescence to acquire porn for the sake of discovery because I was led to believe that sex was something super-secret that only special people knew about.

It's as if parents are afraid of their offspring reaching earlier physical and emotional maturity. Why? It's a natural consequence of improved nutrition and availability of information.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

gnupun (752725) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521034)

Why does a "vagina" have to be taboo?!

Because it prematurely introduces children to sex (they are very curious) and that is not good. 14th century mentalities were on the right track.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (1)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521130)

How is properly teaching a child about sex different than teaching a child about shitting or pissing?

They obviously learn that there's a time and a place for it. Boys are taught to not go up to the nearest female and try to mount her, and they're taught to not go up to the nearest tree or fire hydrant to urinate or defecate. What's the problem? It's not like you have to tell them about masturbation, and when they discover masturbation, you can always let them know that it is as inappropriate as public urinating or crapping are.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521102)

Now? Type "vagina" into your google search bar. Click on the first link. BAM! Know any 8 year olds that can't do that these days? I sure don't.

That's nothing! I just realized that if they look down after taking a dump, they'll see their own genitals! In PERSON! Alert the fashion police, we need to mandate that all children wear pants with a back door pooping flap. It's the only way to protect our children!

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521136)

I could handle the links in the first paragraph, but that last link, damn dude, show some decency! We don't want to see that kind of filth.

Re:So That Takes Care of Wikipedia Then? (3, Interesting)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521174)

I live in China, and most of the time English Wikipedia works fine. However, there are occasional times when I will search for something, and the whole site will be unreachable for a few minutes. Today I went to this page: Maitreya [wikipedia.org] , and before the page could fully load, my connection was mysteriously reset. I was frustrated, but eventually I could connect again and other Wikipedia pages were accessible. Just to check to make sure there really was something strange, I just tried accessing the page again after several hours of otherwise-functional Wikipedia access. Same thing, and now I can't reach Wikipedia again! And now after a few minutes, I'm reading about other things without a problem. But I still have not been able to access the Maitreya page.

This leads me to believe that there is a proxy that uses dynamic filtering that watches web page contents. "Maitreya" is a really tame page, and it's just about a Buddhist figure, and I never have any other problems with normal religious pages. However, there have been several movements and cults throughout history where the member will claim to be Maitreya (the future Buddha). There is a section on the Maitreya page that covers this ugly / strange side, so I'm guessing that any talk about cults may have the clamp on it. The way pages are filtered is pretty strange here. For example, half of the Google Images results will typically be missing. This may be because the government tries to only block out image results, but Google constantly adds new servers to host them.

You can forget about Blogger, YouTube, Facebook, etc. They are all blocked here, but nobody cares in China because they use different websites. It's more of a pain in the ass than anything -- it's not really going to comprehensively censor anything, but it certainly makes using the Web a more frustrating and needlessly-limiting experience for any foreigners.

The big thing now being pushed by the government in China is morality, and I actually agree with that emphasis. That is, taking the high road of governance and focusing on culture rather than overt methods of control and regulation. This idea is totally in harmony with China's ancient humanistic culture and the original teachings of Confucianism and Daoism. However, contrived morality by means of censorship is not really encouraging people to be kinder, more caring, or otherwise more ethical. It is not going to help people to develop notions of justice or equality, or to nurture individual consciousness of one's own actions.

Hum? (1, Insightful)

Xeno man (1614779) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520664)

If you get rid of the porn, what do you need the internet for?

Re:Hum? (4, Funny)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520684)

I only use the internet to spread dissonant lies about my government and to look at porn.

Say wha? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520776)

I only use the internet to spread dissonant lies about my government and to look at porn. ...
Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government." -- Thomas Jefferson

I swear, the first time I looked at your post, the attribution to Jefferson in your sig got mis-assigned to the whole post, leading to a very "wtf" moment...

dissonant lies (1)

ThrowAwaySociety (1351793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521058)

dissonant lies about my government.

Oh, come on, your lies just need to get a little rhythm....

Re:Hum? (1)

timlyg (266415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520788)

what's interesting is while people making fun of porno ban, when it comes to kiddie porn you get so many hypocrites bickering around.

Re:Hum? (-1, Troll)

gruber_aekdb (1671422) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520984)

pirating movies & mp3s...After all, we're seriously cutting into the movie studio's profits... According to a recent slashdot story, "In 2009, the leading Hollywood studios made more films and generated more revenue than ever before" - 10 million USD! [slashdot.org] and they had 500 million USD to make Avatar...Obviously we're breaking their bank, no wonder the key grips can't afford food to feed their families...

Other than that... hmmm... Can't think of much reason for the net...

Final details on the plan: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520668)

me so horny

me ruv you rong time

me so horny

too beaucoup, too beaucoup

Translation... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520680)

It's nice to know the language of governmental oppression is universal.

Pornography = Speech they disagree with!

Pornography may be naked people having sex, or it may be sites critical of the government.

Re:Translation... (5, Insightful)

exasperation (1378979) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520728)

Pornography may be naked people having sex, or it may be sites critical of the government.

Oh no, this is actually about pornography. The government of China already openly and unabashedly censors political content it doesn't approve of.

Poll please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520692)

So how about a poll on how man more years the Chinese are going to put up with all these abuses before somebody in government (if not the entire government) gets hurt? How the citizens put up with such ridiculous non-sense without serious revolt? This can not go on forever.

Heh (5, Funny)

DrugCheese (266151) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520696)

Might as well remove all the salt in the ocean while they're at it.

Re:Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520954)

That's their plan apparently. Remove the whole ocean, and have lakes only.

I see problems ahead (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520710)

This is no doubt giving politicians in Canada, the UK and Australia ideas.

A Internet without pr0n is like... (1)

splitsevin (953745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520718)

a night without stars. -Punjab (Annie - 1982)

But don't they know...? (0)

tech10171968 (955149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520720)

But don't they know that the internet is for porn [youtube.com] ?

Fresh start (4, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520730)

Fresh start today. Hundreds of fresh young....

never mind

How soon before... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520734)

US neo-cons back the same ideas? It always seems like anything that comes out of China is absolutely loved by the neo-cons. These are the same idiots that pushed and defend the US PATRIOT act. Likewise, they are pushing for their members to not run multiple candidates, but to have the party select them. Apparently, they do not like Freedoms, or democracy.

Re:How soon before... (1)

haruchai (17472) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520916)

Neo-cons? You mean like Dick Chen-yi?

Don't give conroy any ideas!!! (2, Funny)

SlightOverdose (689181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520754)

No no no, Don't give Conroy and the religious nuts behind the Australian 'Clean Feed' any ideas. They've already done enough damage

Re:Don't give conroy any ideas!!! (1)

asifyoucare (302582) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521044)

The commies and the christians are at it again.

Correlation /= Causation (5, Funny)

Nebulious (1241096) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520762)

This is a terrible mistake on the Chinese government's part. Just because every ruling party member likely looked at pornography as a child and became terrible people does not mean that every person who sees pornography in their childhood will grow up to be just as cold, calculating, and authoritarian.

Re:Correlation /= Causation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520960)

It's all a plan of Corporate China. Condemn those fucking lobbyists. Err, well, never mind ...

Chinese Censorship: Wtf? (1)

Mystiq (101361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520764)

I really, really, really hope the Chinese people wake up one day and notice their government has a stranglehold on all information in and out of the country just so it can keep it's own power. Or at least that's how I see it. I really don't know why the Chinese government does what it does but I wish I knew.

Conspiracy, or just idiocy? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520766)

So China institutes a one-child-per-family policy. Due to social and traditional reasons, male children are far preferred. As a result, the population is already skewed male, and continuing to trend that way.

Now China's blocking the porn? How do they plan on dealing with the ah, excess males? Send them off to war?

Re:Conspiracy, or just idiocy? (5, Informative)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520796)

The illegal prostitutes do a roaring trade. It's a huge industry.

Re:Conspiracy, or just idiocy? (2, Interesting)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521014)

It also probably holds sway over many of the officials who are involved in the censorship decisions.

After a thorough review (3, Funny)

istartedi (132515) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520768)

Afer a thorough review, being very careful to make sure that there is absolutely no sexual connotation whatsoever, we have determined that all but the following are prohibited:

Binary 1. No. Dammit. OK. Zero. Dammit!!! Nevermind.

Yea Right, it's all about "Porn." (5, Insightful)

Phil_At_NHS (1008933) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520790)

The person who brought this story up is an idiot if they believe this is all about "porn." Yes, in the Tianamen Square incident a lot of people got screwed, but I would not call it "porn." Anyone want to take bets about how many sites concerning that particular obscenity will get blocked by these new initiatives? "Porn" my ass. It is about control. Plain and simple. Control to let the evil murdering bastards that run that country continue to do so. period.

Re:Yea Right, it's all about "Porn." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520928)

please, mod this up, he's right - porn is just a cover for censorship

Re:Yea Right, it's all about "Porn." (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521164)

uuhh... hello, the children??

Join the club, China (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520792)

Glad I live in Australia, where freedom of speech rules and the population wouldn't put up with this bullshit. Oh wait ...

Re:Join the club, China (1)

some_guy_88 (1306769) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520982)

It's a bad day to be chinese when even a democratictly ellected government is able to bring in obscene censorship like this.

Re:Join the club, China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521086)

> democratictly ellected government

Do you even know what you're talking about? Since when does China have a democratically elected government?

If google is not blocked in your country, please look for "China" and "Government".

Re:Join the club, China (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521024)

Australia's censorship is awful but at least it's proposed to be a blacklist not a whitelist.

Re:Join the club, China (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521110)

Yo, you got a problem with white people, homie?

'think of the children' censorship of dissidence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520794)

Whitelisting the net is a serious blow for net neutrality. Best case scenario, foreign companies just need to slip regulators some money to get on the whitelist, worst case scenario is that China ends up with their own isolated Internet, with the only foreign sites available being ones that curiously promote the CCP's agenda. Social networking sites can't possibly comply with any 'no porn' rule; video-sharing sites like Youtube and blogs would also be conveniently blocked. Any site that can possibly be used by dissidents to spread political messages can also be used to host porn, therefore any politically inconvenient site can be kept off the whitelist, with the argument that 'it contains pornography' and no way for Chinese citizens to verify this.
This will also have the unintended consequence of breaking a huge number of links/page includes/images making even e-commerce sites unusable unless rejiggered to all be on one domain.

Web of free porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520804)

Did anyone else read this as "The Chinese Route To a Web of Free Porn" only to be disappointed?

Oh China, you silly goose you. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520808)

China basically couldn't match those Japanese artists at drawing tentacles so they decided to move to a different business. See, capitalism works!!!

All authoritarian regimes do this (1)

MrSnivvel (210105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520834)

Repress the fuckin' - Repress the people.

I don't get it (1)

GF678 (1453005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520870)

Why are they so obsessed with blocking porn? Are they really that prudish? And I though the US were the ultimate prudes (and hypocrites) when it came to sex.

It doesn't hurt anyone or break down society as near as I can tell. Plus, you can't stop the natural human natural instincts which hormones produce, short of requiring all men to take drugs to suppress the desire (Half-Life 2's suppression field anyone?)

The ONLY reason I can see for their obsessiveness with blocking porn is that it can be used as the basis for developing the technology and infrastructure necessary to block whatever it is they want. In other words, porn is used as a scapegoat for setting up the measures which can then be used to block other things, the stuff the Chinese Government ACTUALLY feels threatened about...

Re:I don't get it (2, Funny)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521016)

USA the ultimate prudes?!?! Whaaaaaaaat? Where the F did that one come from? The USA has one of the most liberal sexual attitudes this side of Amsterdam. Legal nude beaches, legal pornography on satellite TV, 100% unrestricted internet including all the dark parts (and internet porn can get really really dark), as well as unrestricted travel and emigration for those who find America a cesspool of good morals. Hell, all you have to do is go south of the border, you'll find no shortage of men who won't marry anyone but a proven virgin. Go to other continents and you'll find mothers who proudly display bloody sheets to the entire neighborhood after her son's wedding night, to applause and general approval from the audience.

It doesn't break down society as far as you can tell? Well, thanks for that blinding insight! Surely, sir, your opinion is universal and speaks for all mankind. Actually, pornography degrades the human spirit. If you don't think so, there are billions of humans who think exactly this way. Pornography takes a sacred act and makes it profane. China has already developed the infrastructure necessary to block damaging internet content - this is just one implementation. Sure, there will always be stag movies or black-market DVDs. However, free easy porn is something that China has decided is harmful. Who the fuck are you to judge China?

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521088)

I'm an American you son of a bitch. I am the judge of China.

Censorship is bullshit, I don't care who you are or what you believe -- if you're a censor, fuck you.

Re:I don't get it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521166)

Surely then, you will submit America to be judged by China? You do realize that for millions of Chinese men, the only interaction they will ever have with an American woman is via pornography? What do you think their impression is, on that day when they see an American woman walking down the street?

What is with commies and sex? (0, Flamebait)

SlappyBastard (961143) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520882)

The Soviets had a fetish for persecuting gay people. Now the Red Chinese have developed a fetish for stopping porn. Were the Soviet-Chinese border wars of the 1960s actually conflicts over gay porn?

It seems like it would be easier to let people have their perceived perversions within a communist framework than to go all-out against yet another thing. I understand that it's not the nature of totalitarian regimes to let any erratic behavior slide, but still . . . It's just weird that every single communist regime ever has had it in for some type of sexual hang-up.

Re:What is with commies and sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520926)

see, it's funny because it's the conservatives in america who are the ones trying to prevent gay marriage.

maybe trying to prevent people from being gay is a being powerful thing?

Re:What is with commies and sex? (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521042)

It might be a coming of age thing in an authoritarian government. A bit like the gangster who has to kill someone to prove themselves to the organisation. To be in the Chinese government you have to be Against Something. And you have to Stop Something.

Its a bit like that in the multinational company I work for. New managers prove their ability by Stopping Stuff or Starting Stuff. Not always for good reasons. But the reasons are less important than the strengthening of the "us and them" configuration.

Re:What is with commies and sex? (1)

Caraig (186934) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521132)

It's not just the communists that get a hardon from making gay folk into some kind of second-class citizenry....

Re:What is with commies and sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521138)

It isn't commies vs. sex, it's authoritarianism vs. basic human rights.

You don't have to stretch too far back in history to see authoritarian theocratic governments placing heavy restrictions on human sexual expression (even to the extent of systematically lopping off clits and foreskins!).

Where there's a dictator, there's the suppression of humanity, and a very basic part of humanity is sex.

Re:What is with commies and sex? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521168)

was McCarthy a communist?

Suspected homosexuality was also a common cause for being targeted by McCarthyism. The hunt for "sexual perverts", who were presumed to be subversive by nature, resulted in thousands being harassed and denied employment.[45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism

Terrible political mistake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520886)

This is pretty much the anti net-neutrality law.
 
The bellow freezing point 'approval ratings' of the ruling Communist Party might deteriorate even more and unleash some sort of democratic reform (hopefully a non-violent one).

I dunno... (1)

feepness (543479) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520888)

The web's pretty much all full of free porn.

Does not compute (1)

Huzzah! (1548443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520894)

since they gave us the phrase, "as hard as Chinese arithmetic"

The Internet as "default-deny" (3, Informative)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520918)

China (and the rest of the world to a lesser extent) is slowly moving away from the "default accept" ideology of the free, open internet and towards a network where only approved devices can connect. Slashbots will rave and foam at the mouth about that "censorship is interpreted as damage" meme but it's sadly out of date. The Chinese can and will control what filth reaches their people. Sure, VPNs will be there...for a while at least...but the average Zhou won't bother with it.

It's hard for a lot of bicoastal Americans to understand - and even more difficult for transnational progressivist Europeans - but the Chinese people really do love their country. And their country has one government, which is the best government China has ever had. Ever since Deng Xiaoping ditched university Marxism and took the Communist Party on the capitalist road ("socialism is not poverty / to get rich is glorious") life has only gotten better in China. For all the bad press the Chinese government gets, they really are trying to do right, by their own standards. The problem arises when blinkered Westerners insist on judging China by "universal" standards. In fact, these "universal standards" have their roots in the Enlightenment...which China didn't have.

Aaah, kinda lost my point there. Anyhow, I'm no panda hugger but you simply have to put yourself in their shoes. A mere seventeen years ago socialism couldn't even provide clean drinking water and now China is the world's largest market for Rolls-Royce automobiles. This doesn't mean that the Communist Party of China will be relinquishing power anytime soon, though. They still maintain control over the economy via the allocation and issuance of business licenses and the denial of debilitating foreign influences, such as pornography.

Re:The Internet as "default-deny" (2, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520974)

I think that while the Chinese Government wants to have the Internet, they want it to be a simple "connect A to B" affair. Working that way it is easy to regulate.

They may have many problems with porn but one problem I can see is the anonymity it tends to involve. The large scale exchange of image files can lead to the creation of meta communication channels using stenography. The net result is that the social networks within the internet become harder to track and analyse.

I can understand why that would present problems for an authoritarian government.

Re:The Internet as "default-deny" (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521068)

Hmm. You're coming at this from the wrong viewpoint. Regulation of socialist morality and the regulation of crimethink are under the reguation of different ministries, you see. The bureaucrats that block porn because it is degrading are not the same bureaucrats that block facebook because it allows people to organize. You have to think like they do. The Chinese government is actually not all-powerful.

Re:The Internet as "default-deny" (1)

Bitch-Face Jones (588723) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521082)

Hey, check it out, I found a debilitating, foreign picture [wikipedia.org] of you and Deng Xaiopeng (you're the "bottom")

Re:The Internet as "default-deny" (1)

DNS-and-BIND (461968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521114)

China, Qing dynasty (18th19th c.)
Foreign picture? You lose at the internet.

Corruption enables free Internet (1)

LinuxLuver (775817) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520930)

Like everything in China, the rules are often ignored. Many ISPs sell "VPN" connections to unfiltered Internet. They are taking advantage of a loophole that allows private WANs to connect to networks outside China.

SSH tunneling (1)

steveha (103154) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520940)

I'll bet SSH tunneling will be illegal, and will be considered evidence on its face that you are Up To Something. I wonder what the penalty will be.

On the other hand, the Chinese government does like money, and lack of SSL would make it rather hard to move money around via the Internet.

Either way, this is going to be about as successful as Prohibition was in the USA.

steveha

porn in China works! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30520952)

I knew guys in Beijing who would be on a date and just need to stop back to the hotel for a moment. They'd throw on some hardcore and the girls would be mesmerized. Then they'd play cards.

Lies (0, Flamebait)

Anenome (1250374) | more than 4 years ago | (#30520956)

This rationale is a lie, of course. China couches their real aim in a moral sleeve. Their real aim is nothing more than protecting their fascist government from the revolution that's coming, to keep the ruling party in power and shield it from criticism and challenge.

It's the same lie that Hugo Chavez spoke recently in creating his state police designed to conduct a "war on crime" when the simple fact is that it simply ends up creating a secret police that answers to Chavez alone and will end up reinforcing his power.

The same lie that Obama spoke about insuring millions and reducing the deficit by taking over health care. Never ends with these politicians.

Re:Lies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521066)

Insightful? I can see how saying censorship serves only the government can be labelled "insightful," but calling national healthcare a "lie" and saying Chavez is creating a secret police?

Re:Lies (1)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521120)

Mods, this is supposed to be funny and/or flaimbait.

Wow. Insightful? Really?

Well played, Anenome, well played.

Grow Some Cojones (1)

Jane Q. Public (1010737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521108)

I think it is time for some Western (particularly U.S.) corporations to man up, "do less evil", and tell China to put it where the sun doesn't shine.

Let them grow up ignorant, with half an internet. It's their choice.

The difference between China and the US (2, Insightful)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521124)

is that with China, there's no pandering talk about "freedom" and "civil liberties." Chinese citizens know exactly what's up, whereas your average American still thinks they have freedom.

You think this is a provocative claim? It's not. The way the state deals with internet regulation is a perfect illustration. In China, you are forcibly blocked, end of story. Simple, efficient. In the US, law enforcement doesn't stop you outright, but instead they track you only to prosecute your ass later. Massive amounts of data are collected on you, whether it is by companies or by the state. The only real "freedom" your average American citizen has is the freedom to incriminate themselves, which, under the capitalist system, means complete financial destruction.

Honestly, you are screwed in either country. It's just that the Chinese government is more open about how they're screwing you.

Calling It Now (4, Insightful)

bistromath007 (1253428) | more than 4 years ago | (#30521156)

In six years, this will be the whole internet, everywhere. They'll probably just stick it into ACTA.

hate to state the obvious...but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30521158)

I'm more interested in the porn coming "out" of China.

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