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Girl Gamers More Hardcore Than Guys

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the takes-time-to-collect-all-those-pretty-hats dept.

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TheClockworkSoul writes "Scientific American reports on a study published this month in the Journal of Communication, which found that women who engage in a role-playing game online actually commit more time on average than the male players do. The authors surveyed 7,000 players logged in to EverQuest II (PDF), and found that the average age of the gamers surveyed was 31, and that playing time tended to increase with age. Interestingly, however, the female gamers not only tended to log more time online (29 hours per week versus 25 for the males), but were also more likely to lie about how much they really play."

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They're build for this (5, Funny)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540168)

Have you ever been in a store with a girl? It's like raiding, grinding and looting all at the same time. And some innocent low leveler always get killed.

And when the correct time comes, they stab your back and run away with your epic drop.

Re:They're build for this (4, Funny)

DriedClexler (814907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540206)

And when the correct time comes, they stab your back and run away with your epic drop.

Is that what you call your jizz now?

Re:They're build for this (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540252)

If that would be the case, and if a baby player would be born, I would rather run and go sleep next to Emeriss.

Re:They're build for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540734)

epic? Hardly! More like "lesser jizz of hum-drum"

Re:They're build for this (5, Funny)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540228)

Have you ever been in a store with a girl?

This is /. the closest anybody on this forum has come to being in a store with a girl was when they walked out with the latest blowup model they just bought. ;)

Re:They're build for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540260)

90s called. Wants its stereotype back.

Chances are, most /.ers have been friendzoned at some point, which very often includes exactly what GP described.

Re:They're build for this (4, Interesting)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540342)

Which really begs the question; is it better to date a gaming girl or a 'normal' girl? Considering that many gaming girl's I've seen are quite cute and hot too.

Not that I have dated any gaming girls, but it might get boring after a while if both just played games. I never usually go anywhere, but I always kind of liked it when a gf dragged me out to city or to a bar (which is great just together). And it's fun to watch while she would play, or watch me while I'm playing. That probably wouldn't be the same if its just a normal thing. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind traveling in WoW or taking a round of MW2 or L4D with a gf.

Crazy chicks (5, Informative)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540398)

Which really begs the question; is it better to date a gaming girl or a 'normal' girl?

Having dated and then married a gamer girl, I can say from experience that a non-gamer girl will never drag your ass out of bed at 6 am on a Saturday morning to work on leveling alts with her.

I suppose it's like any relationship, a mixed bag.

Re:Crazy chicks (4, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540580)

Having dated and then married a gamer girl, I can say from experience that a non-gamer girl will never...

Oblig. nitpick: if you dated and married a gamer girl, then you CANNOT say from experience what a non-gamer girl will or won't ever do. You'd have to have dated and married a non-gamer girl (actually, all of them) in order to make that blanket statement.

Now that I got that out of my system... my wife (a non-gamer) will wake me at 6 AM for a variety of reasons, occasionally for a very nice reason :). I normally get up at 7 on the weekends, she's up by 5:30. Sometimes I ask her to wake me up at 6 so I can get an hour of gaming in, and she has no problem doing that.

Honestly, I think it's healthy for me that my wife is a non-gamer... because otherwise I'd game far too much. I think it'd be too easy to fall into a routine of hours of gaming nightly if she was going to game along with me (with kids and studying and other hobbies, 2-3 hours a week is my limit).

Re:Crazy chicks (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540698)

You nitpick about that and ignore the whole "Begs the question - Raises the question" thing? For Shame!

But honestly, remember that today she's willing to wake you up, but in a decade she's going to be bitching and moaning about how you never do any of the yard work because you are too busy playing those damn games. *removes tongue from cheek*

Re:Crazy chicks (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540856)

Oblig. nitpick: if you dated and married a gamer girl, then you CANNOT say from experience what a non-gamer girl will or won't ever do. You'd have to have dated and married a non-gamer girl (actually, all of them) in order to make that blanket statement.

    Well, as the official Slashdot manwhore (and many official manwhore of many other organizations), I will say that ... I do not comment about my clients. :)

REJECTED!!! (5, Informative)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540892)

Oblig. nitpick: if you dated and married a gamer girl, then you CANNOT say from experience what a non-gamer girl will or won't ever do. You'd have to have dated and married a non-gamer girl (actually, all of them) in order to make that blanket statement.

Nitpick denied. I can accurately make that statement without having married one or all girls who are not gamers.

As the act of compulsively leveling alts in a MMO is the act of one who belongs to the set of female persons that are labeled a 'Gamer Girls', there exists no such person who can engage in this activity without being a gamer girl. Hence, a girl who does that must be a gamer.

QED

Re:REJECTED!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30541172)

pwnt

Re:REJECTED!!! (1)

nhytefall (1415959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541178)

long-winded explanation... deleted. This is from personal experience, as my wife and I are both gamers.

if life[gaming > most] ... then dating [gamer-type > all]

if life[most > gaming] ... then dating [all > gamer-type]


Most of the time at least.

Re:Crazy chicks (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540674)

My non-gamer girl will drag my ass out of bed at 6 am on a Saturday morning to work on leveling alts with her. Except she calls them children.

Don't matter what kind of girl she is, either way you're fucked.

Re:Crazy chicks (1)

jbezorg (1263978) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540700)

...a mixed bag.

Indeed. My girlfriend and I would drag our asses to bed at 6 am. Looking back, I'd never believe the effort I had to undertake to get her to even try playing a MMO... shortly there after, she wanted her own PC.

Re:They're build for this (2, Insightful)

Brian Gordon (987471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540514)

Oh man, girl gamers. Anyone remember these comics [imageshack.us]?

Anyway my take on the headline is that girls are less likely to be one of the xbox-rockin beer-chugging football broes that play games casually and ruin the Male team's hardcore percentage.

Re:They're build for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540840)

Another child mentioned it, but yeah: Which is worse, having your girl drag you out to do things you don't want to do, or having you spend so much time doing things you DO like to do that they stop feeling like fun, and start feeling more like work? :D I'll spend weeks gaming, but not very often the SAME GAME (Test Drive Unlimited being one of the few exceptions, but even there I'll go play other games for a few hours. Current girlfriend only plays ONE GAME AT A TIME, and she plays it pretty much every waking hour she's not working, talking to me, or doing family stuff.

Worst part is, she spends so much time that while I was focusing on school for 4 months, she managed to pull like 40-50 levels on me and now we only chat in game because she's too busy with high level raids to gain XP to actually hang out anymore :D

Re:They're build for this (1)

Chyeld (713439) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540670)

Have you ever been in a store with a girl?

This is /. the closest anybody on this forum has come to being in a store with a girl was when they walked out with the latest blowup model they just bought. ;)

90s called. Wants its stereotype back.

Yes, we use RealDolls now, far superior to the blow up models...

Re:They're build for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30541108)

Yes, we use RealDolls now, far superior to the blow up models...

You have no idea what you are missing. See, the problem is that most guys figure that if they want to make it with a hot young jihadi they need some pretty heavy duty roofies or sedatives to get the babe in the sack, and to keep her from killing you the instant you let your guard down during 'the act.' These guys are wrong.

Go with the LSD instead of the sedatives and now you have a completely different babe on your hands. Once she starts peaking you throw on the fake imam beard and convince her she already 'did it' and that it is time for her to take her divine reward.

It just takes a little more finesse than normal. Let's see you get results like that out of your RealDoll.

Re:They're build for this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540866)

Not to mention, men tend to have to work and provide the money for her to stay home playing an MMO 24x7. Not raising unfair stereotypes here. I've seen it in action. Lazy fucking people that somehow use their tits to sucker some dumbass into busting his ass at a thankless job while the chick sits around all day playing WoW (and occasionally meeting guys she met online). I've seen that enough that I personally wouldn't ever date a chick that's really into games or the internet.

This study is kind of pointless and obvious. Like the "men have shorter life spans than women" study. No shit. Men have no option but to work non-stop every day of their lives from the day they're on their own (or before) until the day they die. So plenty of stress. And on top of that, they tend to have more dangerous jobs. No cushy relying on someone else to make their ends meet while they chat all day at a salon with the girls or watch oprah while the kids are playing in the yard outside all afternoon after school.

I'm not surprised (5, Funny)

pablodiazgutierrez (756813) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540208)

There is previous evidence [craigslist.org] of this..

Re:I'm not surprised (1)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540446)

ok, thats a clear casee of whiskey tango foxtrot...

and also a fair bit of cognitive dissonanse...

Re:I'm not surprised (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540520)

There is previous evidence [craigslist.org] of this..

Seems like she would be the perfect match for this guy [craigslist.org].

Re:I'm not surprised (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540656)

My guess is that this was posted by a transsexual looking for some unsuspecting geek to come and bang him in the rear.

While I do agree that most WoW players are desperate enough to go for this the poster would be better suited to play EVE where any who accepts such a proposal would be more likely to come back for more of the same.

Just as a side note... chubby *is* overweight in the eyes of most people.

They don't lie... (5, Funny)

sadness203 (1539377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540220)

They don't lie, they just doesn't count the time customizing the color and clothes of their characters which is probably 20 hours a week.*
Here goes my Karma, down the drain. Should have used the post cowardly !

* My girlfriend used to do that a lot in everquest and maple story... Actually.

Re:They don't lie... (2, Funny)

BiggerIsBetter (682164) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540326)

They don't lie, they just doesn't count the time customizing the color and clothes of their characters which is probably 20 hours a week.*

+1 Insightful. Creative interpretation leads to omission of fact... which is not lying, if you're a girl.

Re:They don't lie... (1)

celle (906675) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540884)

"Creative interpretation" is an excuse women use to not face up to something. When asked about "total time in the game" that means time from starting the game program to program shutdown. And yes, the women did indeed lie as the reason doesn't matter. Using "creative interpretation" to justify lying doesn't make it better as it is still wrong.

Re:They don't lie... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540828)

Here goes my Karma, down the drain.

You are a karma whore.

I call Shenanigans. (0)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540222)

Obligatory, of course, but everyone knows there are no girls in MMORPG's. The only RPG's a girl has been known to play, EVER, has been Final Fantasy, and they all claim that Sepheroth is pretty.

Actually, there are no girls on the internets (2, Interesting)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540400)

And now we know why, they are all in the games.

And considering my own voice chat experience in MMO's, I am not all that surprised. Some seem to spend more time in game socializing.

But I have been told several times not to reveal their gender to others, or that they didn't want to use voice chat in PUG groups.

Re:Actually, there are no girls on the internets (2, Insightful)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540492)

so basically they use it as a graphical irc. Figures...

as for not revealing gender, not surprised. I still recall what irc was like if one managed to show up with anything remotely like a feminine nick.

Re:I call Shenanigans. (1)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540806)

No, no girls play RPGs... but a lot of 30-something stay at home mom/housewives whose children are now off to school during the day and are bored play them obsessively.

Hardcore is right... (5, Interesting)

slushdork (566514) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540246)

Re:Hardcore is right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540886)

Female, 5'8" and 150 lbs? Yeah, about what I would expect from a hardcore girl gamer.

This [gamegirladvance.com] is more the body type I would prefer.

I prefer girls in hardcore too (5, Funny)

syousef (465911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540262)

Oh, not that kind of hard core.

That's okay. Just call them hon, talk about how hard core they are, and hit on them. When they get mad, they get distracted, and when they're distracted they're sloppy. Then when they lose tell them they play like a girl. Recommend you wear a groin protector if you're going to try this in person.

But- but- (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540322)

The authors surveyed 7,000 players logged in to EverQuest II

female gamers... were also more likely to lie about how much they really play.

Hmm. Using a survey to determine how honest people are. Nice.

Having used the Internet, I'm willing to bet not all of them were honest about their true gender either.

Re:But- but- (1)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540362)

And don't forget how many nerds in their moms basement are playing a female WoW character and think they're pretty.

Blows your mind, but... (1)

Singularity42 (1658297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540784)

Nerds in mom's basement might be females playing female WoW characters. Sorry, totally interrupted the meme and narrative.

Re:But- but- (1)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540894)

    When I was in high school, we took part in a mandatory survey. It ranged through sex, drugs, and alcohol. I answered honestly, but I was talking to people afterwards that blatantly lied. Well, unless they really believed how many alcoholic drug addicted whores we had in school (no, we didn't have many). Surveys are as honest as the people taking the results would like to believe.

  I think about that every time there is a story on the news about how young girls are having sex with multiple partners, and how wide spread drug use is among high school students. None of them care what they said on an anonymous survey.

Maybe they'll start marketing to females? (5, Informative)

dylannika (1523113) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540402)

There are girls who game, and who game quite extensively. I would call myself one of those girls, and I easily log 20+ hours a week playing. Granted, my friend set is probably a little skewed since we're all females in either engineering or CS, so I won't comment on the numbers of girls that exhibit these traits. That being said, maybe game marketers will wake up and realize that we do play, and that we do invest a lot of time into it and maybe they'll actually try to start marketing to more of us. We're just as happy to plunk down our cash for a game. And we're probably more likely to plunk down extra cash on "accessories" and other non functional goodies to make our characters look good...

Re:Maybe they'll start marketing to females? (4, Interesting)

PyroMosh (287149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540732)

If there are plenty of you playing, what makes you think that the publishers and marketers are doing anything wrong?

In other words, it seems to me there are two assumptions.

1) That girls don't game, because games are aimed at guys.
2) That girls don't game, because the marketing for those games is aimed at guys.

If the first assumption is false - that girls like games with swords and guns and stuff that's outside the horrible "girl gamer" stereotype of Cooking Mama and The Sims - then why must the second assumption be true? If girls accept the games, won't the accept the marketing for those games in the same way? And in fact, isn't their use of these games proof of the same?

Re:Maybe they'll start marketing to females? (3, Interesting)

dylannika (1523113) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541218)

Maybe more of my friends would play. Maybe I would play different games. Maybe I'd have a character who doesn't have to run around scantily clad with huge breasts. These are things we do complain about (and are reasons some of my other female friends won't start playing). And there are plenty of games I won't even look at because these images are all that constitute the marketing of the game. I'm just saying the games could milk more money out of their players by focusing some energy on us girls!

No sensationalized stories? No outright lies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540424)

kdawson must be on vacation.

Of course... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540452)

Of course more girl gamers are going to be more "hardcore" than male gamers. Why? Because its not as socially acceptable to casually play hardcore games as a girl. For example, if a guy says "I play WoW" most people would shrug it off, whereas it could be a lot more damaging socially for a girl to say that they played WoW. Because of this only girls who really like WoW and similar games will really play them and for males most of the time they aren't as "hardcore" because there is a lot more males who play and some are casual and some are hardcore. Females would almost all be hardcore gamers.

Re:Of course... (4, Interesting)

Token_Internet_Girl (1131287) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540508)

Also, we put up with alot of gruff from the army of fat male nerds that populate most video games. Most assume that girls can't play as well as men, which is not particularly true, in my experience there are an equal number of bad female and male players. For me personally, I go out of the way to see that I'm not just mediocre at a game I love, but that I excel in it. That way, if someone says HURR YOU'RE A GIRL, I can say "So what? I kicked your ass last night in RvR"

Re:Of course... (4, Interesting)

shutdown -p now (807394) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540612)

Most assume that girls can't play as well as men

Is this actually true? I've seen a lot of not-so-nice stuff, to downright stalking, in online games directed towards female players, but I've never seen the "oh a girl, she can't really play well" line.

For what it's worth, my Steam friend list (mainly L4D centric) has a bunch of female players, and they're all better than average, some very much so. Then again, the most skilled one of them also hangs out at 4chan, which, I guess, kinda proves the point of TFA.

Re:Of course... (1)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540652)

I think the "signficant others" who wanna hang out with their partners and share what they are doing, give girl gamers a bad name in most MMO's, the priorities are just so different usually.. oddly enough this goes for both male and female partners who are just as likely to not get what the other is doing but still wanna share it. That said, in 5 years I have yet to meet a girl in WoW that belonged in a guild that was serious about end game progression.. (and as poster i am replying to says, there are a TON of just as clueless male gamers heh who I also would have no desire to raid with)

Re:Of course... (1)

Token_Internet_Girl (1131287) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540838)

I was in a guild on Mal'Ganis that was one of the top in Alliance progression 05-06. We raided several hours a day and had 24 hour call lists for Green Dragon spawns. Quit after the expansion came out, too many lame changes to the game. Does /. count as meeting? o.0

Re:Of course... (1)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541216)

I fear its gonna have to ! Hellscream has been devoid of any serious girl gamers! Maybe once they read this they will spread their wings to the Rampage battlegroup!

Re:Of course... (1)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540618)

umm err this is presuming you are talking about 'girls' rather than 'women' and btw "i play wow" will get that same response of eye rolling OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU WASTE YOUR TIME ON THAT from folks who think it is a waste of time, and just as much of a shrug from those that dont care.. since its "WoW" and not "the strange thing that only pimple faced geeks play" from years past (and games past) The fact of the matter is that "hardcore" rather than "plays alot" need a much better definition.. because even people who do not consider themselves gamers.. prolly spend far more time on "casual gaming" than the avg wow player spends in Azeroth.... those 5-20 min sessions of bejeweled, the time spent in farmville/etc, this stuff all adds up.. but none of it makes a "hardcore gamer", hell most of these people probably do not even consider themselves gamers!

Re:Of course... (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540922)

You are completely wrong. Well, more like out of date.

MMOs are perfectly acceptable for of entertainment for girls and women.
My daughter as a lot of MMO options and her and het friends play them. Many women who are on gaming moms that I run into at school or other social events (non gaming events) play them.

My Thursday and sunday games are half women.

Re:Of course... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540990)

MMOs are perfectly acceptable for of entertainment for girls and women.

I never said that they weren't, I said that on most MMOs such as WoW and Everquest, women would usually be socially ridiculed for playing it in most circumstances. I happen to know some women who play MMOs like WoW and most are pretty good. However, they still say that people ridicule them for playing such games and keep it more of a secret than men.

My daughter as a lot of MMO options and her and het friends play them.

Such as? Yeah, there are some MMOs that are centered on the female demographic such as Neopets, and some Facebook MMOs, but these aren't Everquest like what the article was talking about. And I'm sure you would find the exact same data for males on those sites, that the men who play more female oriented MMOs are more hardcore than female players because most men will not play them because it isn't as socially acceptable and therefore will only play if they really like the game and if they like the game they are going to play it more than someone who is apathetic towards it.

Everquest? Maybe a biased sample (1)

shish (588640) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540472)

Try EVE to balance it out -- I'm pretty sure that that's more male-filled than slashdot even (in a fleet of 500 there was one girl on voice chat; if there were any more out there on text chat they were at least hiding it...)

Re:Everquest? Maybe a biased sample (1)

Ed Peepers (1051144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540694)

I'll second that! I've run some survey studies in EVE (and played a few years myself) and the self-report responses almost always top 95% (male), usually close to 98%. If we assume a few guys are lying for whatever reason, or simply hit the wrong button accidentally, it's even higher!

Socially isolated girl vs Casual gamer guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540518)

I think girls are not by society designed to be as interested in tech-stuff/games like men. When some of them play games, they often do it as a substitute for a social life (like many males). There are more guys playing, and many more casual male gamers. If girls were by society's design as interested in gaming, there would be more casual female gamers, making the average time spent lower.

Re:Socially isolated girl vs Casual gamer guy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30541010)

Sense. Parent makes none.

i once was with a group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540526)

i once was with a group of women who all tried to get me on WOW.
women encouraging men, what has the world gone trough? (lol)

i don't understand MMO's, paying anything extra for playing online is a useless deal and they can keep their crap.
if i buy a game i bought a game, i ain't going to pay on top of buying a game!

Misleading headline (2, Interesting)

BenoitRen (998927) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540534)

Just because girls waste more time on MMOs on average than boys doesn't mean they're more 'hardcore' gamers.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

adbge (1693228) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540576)

Just because girls waste more time on MMOs on average than boys doesn't mean they're more 'hardcore' gamers.

It'd be interesting to see the results of a similar study that compared progression of male and female gamers.

Re:Misleading headline (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541034)

That's what I'm wondering about, in a lot of these sorts of games you can gain lots of XP by taking on harder tasks or just by spending many, many more hours grinding. Also, if we're just going by time playing that would include chat time as well as tidying up the character.

Besides, to really be hardcore anymore you pretty much have to be taking that character out of the game and acting it out.

Re:Misleading headline (2, Informative)

perlchild (582235) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541274)

According to TFA, they considered hardcore someone who played more than 30 hours a week and answered "I don't plan to quit". Males were less hardcore on the second criterion IIRC.

boozing is the answer (4, Funny)

hort_wort (1401963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540540)

I think it's because guys tend to drink more when they game. They pass out while the girl keeps gaming and eating chocolate.

How do I bad studied (1)

Virak (897071) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540562)

The key part to note is that they only included a single game which fits very cleanly into a single genre. All it tells us is that female gamers play EQ2 more on average than male gamers. It's also a bit of evidence towards the same for MMORPGs in general. However, it's ridiculous to from this conclude that female gamers amongst the (much, much) broader gaming community play more than males.

Re:How do I bad studied (2, Informative)

dirkdodgers (1642627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541014)

This is true. The average player in this sample played 27 hours a week.

That's 3-4 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Time != Hardcore (1)

jabbathewocket (1601791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540582)

Errrm umm .. time spent and wasted != hardcore, it just means they spent more time.. Casual gamers spend hundreds of hours and frequently thousands of dollars trying to fetch the latest purple unicorn vanity pet .. vs spending 100s of hours engaged in group raid ? which is more hardcore? this is a retarded article and theres really no way to even begin to cover the failings in these comments :)

Hardcore? Sounds more like casual extreme. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540636)

This isn't surprising based on the type of game studied. Women are social animals and MMOs provide a convenient medium for socializing. After playing WoW for about a year (my first MMO) and getting to raid with a guild, I came to the conclusion that, in actuality, WoW was less of a game and more of a very feature-rich chat client. However, the gaming aspect is important to draw in and keep a population base that is necessary for the socializing to occur. With each successive MMO that I've tried out, the same issue remains: how well you do in these games, in terms of collecting epic loot and such, depends 90% on your willingness to engage in idle chatter, and as long as you're not completely incompetent as a player the other 10% is covered. OTOH, if you demonstrate immense skill by, for example, soloing an elite quest designed for a group of people at your level, you still only get the same reward you would have gotten in a group. The fact that you aren't really rewarded for skillful play pretty much makes "hardcore MMO" an oxymoron. In a raid, your group as a whole must demonstrate skill in order to receive rewards, but the rewards within the raid are determined by one's social rank and has nothing to do with their role in the raid's success. In other words, females devote more time and effort into what hardcore gamers would refer to as casual gaming. To put it another way, if you have a top 10 score in Bejeweled (and I have no doubt that a good portion of top 10 Bejeweled scores are held by women), that alone would not really make you hardcore at all. It would just make you a, shall we say, casual extremist. Which is also how I would describe veteran MMO players.

ManDude (1)

mitrevski (1691074) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540648)

Yeah, and I'm a girl, too. Especially when I get to enter my gender in online forms. .... @sopssa The stats are probably fairly accurate, though. Yes, I have been shopping with girl(s). And yes, it is HARDCORE.

May ways to read this (1)

Psaakyrn (838406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540728)

Inversely, perhaps males are more likely to realize they're addicted to an MMO and stop. :p

Additionally, this is inherently a biased sample, since it (1) only samples 1 game, and (2) only samples MMO game players.

Re:May ways to read this (1)

dirkdodgers (1642627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541040)

The report showed that in the sample males were 13% more likely to be considering quitting than females.

The shut ins (1)

AHuxley (892839) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540742)

Become more obsessive, addicted and take interaction more personally.
Seems the games are more 'targeted' to induce addiction rather than a recreational escape.
Add in the "personal touch" and social networking and you have a revenue stream, like alcoholic beverages, gambling, smoking ect.

But (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30540774)

You're forgetting MMORPGs are for casuals. Beat Ikaruga without using up any continues, then you can call yourself hardcore.

masturbation (1)

hjf (703092) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540782)

the female gamers not only tended to log more time online (29 hours per week versus 25 for the males), but were also more likely to lie about how much they really play."

and women don't masturbate as much as men, neither do they have the same sex drive. yeah, rite.

Obvious reason for this. (4, Interesting)

Xest (935314) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540830)

Housewives.

Most female players I've known have been housewives, and were able to put so much time in compared to their spouses because their spouses were out working.

I used to be at home during the day because I worked at a newspaper where our hours were 8am to 8pm Mon, Tues, Fri, 8am to 6pm Weds and 8am to 12pm on Thurs so always had Thursday afternoons and Friday off as that's when the paper went to print. On those Thursday afternoons and Fridays I recall many times speaking to female guild mates who were in their mid to late twenties and early thirties playing because they'd done the house work and had nothing else to do. They'd play for hours in the day and continue to play with their partner when their partner got home.

Re:Obvious reason for this. (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540936)

If they ahve that nuch free time, perhaps they should get some employment instead of leaching?

Re:Obvious reason for this. (1)

Mashiki (184564) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541036)

Or it could be that they're the "stay at home" mom who's got the kid while the guy's working. Of course if I could find a wife that works and is willing to let me stay home I'd be happy with that too. I've got no problems taking care of kids but I digress. So in your own small closed-minded part of life, I'm sure you'd say "ship the shits off to daycare." Of course that's just a terrible way to bond with ones parents.

Re:Obvious reason for this. (1)

dirkdodgers (1642627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541082)

According to the study, most males and females were employed (66.29% of females, 79.84% of males).

However, that is a 13% gap. Also, there was a large gap between the incomes of males and females who were employed, perhaps in part because they tended to be a secondary income.

Both of these factors probably account for some of the observed effect of women being disproportionately "hardcore", but not all of it.

I think the take away is that social gaming can be powerfully addicting to females as well. There probably also something going on with the fact that as many as 20% of females in the sample were LGBT. What that is would require another study to determine.

MMORPGs are not hardcore (4, Interesting)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540834)

MMORPGs are mainstream. Shmups are hardcore. Come and talk to me again when you find girls who can one-credit Ikaruga.

What about people who don't play very much at all? (1)

ddxexex (1664191) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540844)

I'm no expert on this, but couldn't the 4 hour difference be explain by people (men) who only play for a little bit and quit? I would think that there would be less casual women gamers since a woman playing computer games reflects on their "geekiness" more than a man. So there's more attrition among men since the women don't try in the first place? So what would be interesting would be a comparision against hardcore men and hardcore women, and see if there's a difference there.

Skip the article; read the actual report (3, Informative)

dirkdodgers (1642627) | more than 4 years ago | (#30540864)

I see Scientific American has about as much to do with science as the History Channel does with History. "60 second news?" I see the author didn't spend more than 60 seconds reading the report.

Contrary to the article's implication, players in the sample were still overwhelmingly male, and while female players were more likely than male players to be "hardcore", numerically there were still more hardcore male players than hardcore female players.

There are a number of datapoints in the study that are interesting:
http://dmitriwilliams.com/LFGpaperfinal.pdf [dmitriwilliams.com]

- The sample was self-selecting. The survey was offered to all players logged in during the sampling window.
- Self-reported gender: 80.22% male, 19.72% female, .06% declined
- Self-reported as being employed: 66.29% of females, 79.84% of males
- Self-reported sexual orientation: Female: 14.15% Bisexual, 2.28% Homosexual, 6.4% Declined; Male: 3.64% Bisexual, 3.37% Homosexual, 3.6% Declined.
- Self-reported played with a romantic partner: 61.52% of females, but only 24.77% of males

What I found more interesting was that as many as 22% of female players were lesbian or bi-sexual, far more than in the general population. This was not mirrored in male players.

I'll speculate that females playing more hours than males is in some part accounted for by the 13% employment gap reported between males and females in the sample.

As to whether to believe the better than average self-reported BMI and exercise numbers from the women in the survey? What, women misrepresent their weight online? Unheard of!

Re:Skip the article; read the actual report (2, Funny)

nicodoggie (1228876) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541042)

What I found more interesting was that as many as 22% of female players were lesbian or bi-sexual,

And that, my friend, is what makes them hardcore! I mean, how the hell would it be hardcore if there weren't lesbians and bi-sexuals??

Re:Skip the article; read the actual report (0, Offtopic)

StickANeedleInMyEye (1253490) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541062)

What I found more interesting was that as many as 22% of female players were lesbian or bi-sexual, far more than in the general population..

As to whether to believe the better than average self-reported BMI and exercise numbers from the women in the survey? What, women misrepresent their weight online? Unheard of!

when asked how long is your penis you say 2"? *really*? BS hetero troll.

Re:Skip the article; read the actual report (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30541158)

given that the female population of the survey only comprises 1400/7000, that should be low enough to introduce a margin of error that alone could account for the difference in playtime/week.

Can't come up with a good kitchen joke.. (4, Funny)

CrAlt (3208) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541098)

Hmm..
Since when did they start putting PC's in the kitchen?

or

They have to be hard core to be cooking and gaming at the same time!

or

They should be cooking up my dinner not characte..oh forget it

never mind :P

They think that's "Hardcore"? (0, Troll)

supersloshy (1273442) | more than 4 years ago | (#30541254)

Last time I checked, "hardcore" didn't mean "plays games a lot"; it means that you don't spend all of your money on "pet games" and "style-games" and "generic sports games" and instead spend it on games that are, as the hardcores call them, "good". "Good" games include things like Smash Bros., Bio Shock, Metroid, Metal Gear Solid, The Legend of Zelda (especially Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess), and other games that require a lot of skill and time. Just because girls play a certain online game more than males means they're more "hardcore"? Did they take the "genre" of the game into account? No? Then how the crap does this pass as being scientific?

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