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The Speculative Pre-History of the iPhone

CmdrTaco posted more than 4 years ago | from the remember-back-when dept.

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harrymcc writes "The blogosphere is abuzz with rumors about 'iSlate,' Apple's supposed upcoming tablet. It's constructive to look back at coverage of the first iPhone in the months before it was announced. A high percentage of what was reported turned out to be hooey — as I remembered as I reviewed stories that said the iPhone would have a click wheel, a slide-out keyboard, and two batteries, and would run on an Apple-branded wireless network. I'm guessing that much of what we 'know' about iSlate is similarly off-base."

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What Speculation? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573220)

Niggers. Niggers didn't invent a written language, so their history is in question. The iPhone was developed just a few years ago, during which time the White Man had writing. There is no speculation. We're not niggers. Just read the goddamned history and be done with it. You jigaboos.

Re:What Speculation? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573278)

mod parent up

Wait for it... (5, Informative)

Khris (1010709) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573258)

The only way to know for sure *IF* Apple will ever release a Tablet device is to wait for it. All of the rumours and "opinions" really get annoying after awhile because they all contradict one another.

Re:Wait for it... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573522)

When it comes out, I'm sure most people will be camping out at Apple stores for it, and it will become the next fad, the must have at the coffee shops instead of the Twilight series books or staring at the Macbook.

Save your beer money, because if you don't have this, you will be a social outcast.

Re:Wait for it... (4, Insightful)

Fallen Seraph (808728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574794)

Save your beer money, because if you don't have this, you will be a social outcast.

I'd rather be a social outcast than someone so desperate for the approval of others that they'll buy a gadget just for the status it bestows.

Re:Wait for it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575006)

Let me guess you don't wear abercrombie or walk around in your Birkenstock shoes... NERD!!!!!!
OMG, next I'll hear you dont drive a 5 series BMW...... All the debbies at the mall will faint!

Wait? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573534)

>> All of the rumours and "opinions" really get annoying after awhile because they all contradict one another.

To be frank, most of the apple (iphone/tablet/whatever) stories are already annoying. It's nothing but a huge fanboi echo-chamber or a giant fanboi orgy.

Re:Wait? (4, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574002)

MTo be frank, most of the apple (iphone/tablet/whatever) stories are already annoying. It's nothing but a huge fanboi echo-chamber or a giant fanboi orgy.

Mr. Ballmer, if you just would log in you might get some of your karma back...

Re:Wait? (2, Insightful)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574256)

Yeah, that must be why there are so many Windows and Linux stories, right?

Like it or not, Apple is important. (And for the record, I don't like it.)

Re:Wait? (2, Informative)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574326)

I am more worried about content of the stories, not just what topic stories are on. Dishing out fanboy blogposts as stories happens far to frequently in Apple's case than anything else.

Re:Wait? (1)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574598)

And decrying the fanboi orgy is turning into an anti-fanboi-orgy orgy. And some people are sure to step in to say there's no problem with idle speculation, and they'll have their anti-anti-fanboi-orgy-orgy orgy. It's recursive!

You know it's a slow news day when blog sites are navel-gazing about the blogger coverage of an unannounced device that may or may not be in pre-production phases.

All I have to say about it is... Meh. When (if) a product gets released, I'll consider how it might meet my needs.

Re:Wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574874)

And yet you felt compelled to comment? Stunning absolutely stunning.

Re:Wait? (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575034)

Well this Fanboi is certian that the Final Cut suite is the ONLY decent video editing platform out there. and Yes I have used them all extensively.. including AVID.

Problem is that apple is pissing in the cheerios of us that actually use their platform for work. we still have a hugely crappy Bluray authoring solution from them.

Not only that... (1)

IANAAC (692242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574132)

Probably the most annoying thing I've seen was someone claiming that the iTablet was better than anything out there. Yes. A non-existent product is better than anything out there.

Cue the "Oh wait..." jokes.

What we *will* know is ... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573276)

Apple Fanbois will wet themselves, no matter how lousy a product it is. That's a given.

Oh... (4, Funny)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573304)

Five minutes passed, it's time for another Apple story.

Re:Oh... (5, Funny)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573872)

Five minutes passed, it's time for another Apple story.

OK, if you insist.

Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden, and the snake talked Eve into eating the apple. Then she talked Adam into taking a bite.

When they were done eating they had sex.

God comes by and says "Adam, why are you hiding?"

Adam says "I'm naked!"

God says "You and Eve ate that apple, didn't you?"

"Uh, well... yeah" says Adam.

God sighs and says "Ok, where's that damned slut now?"

"She's down at the stream washing up."

God says "Damn! I'll never get the smell out of those fish!"

Re:Oh... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573952)

If that was an Apple story shouldn't the sex have been Anal Sex?

Re:Oh... (1)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574124)

There should be Slashdot education.

Why do I need to take sex-ed where I can read insightful posts like the one above, and look at goatse?

Speculation on speculation? (3, Interesting)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573336)

I remember when Jobs unveiled the first iPhone in Jan. 2007. For laughs, he showed a modified iPod with a rotary dial instead of the click wheel before he showed the iPhone. Really if it's one thing that we've learned from Apple is that nothing is true about their upcoming products until Apple announces it.

Re:Speculation on speculation? (1)

jimicus (737525) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574958)

I remember when Jobs unveiled the first iPhone in Jan. 2007. For laughs, he showed a modified iPod with a rotary dial instead of the click wheel before he showed the iPhone. Really if it's one thing that we've learned from Apple is that nothing is true about their upcoming products until Apple announces it.

ICBW but IIRC the first iPod had a rotary dial. Perhaps he was saying "Look how far we've come"?

Re:Speculation on speculation? (1)

CharlyFoxtrot (1607527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575246)

Looking at those mockups reminded me just how good the iphone looked at the time. Instant classic design. It sounds like the punchline to a bad Apple joke but it really did take Apple to design a phone with as few buttons on it as the iPhone.

How does Apple use rumors? (4, Insightful)

astrashe (7452) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573372)

How much do we know about the ways in which Apple uses rumors to gin up interest in new products?

It seems likely to me that they leak stuff to keep us all talking, but I don't have any proof of that. It also seems likely to me that if they're going to be leaking stuff, they might not always leak accurate information.

There was a story awhile back that quoted Yoko Ono as saying that the Beatles were coming to iTunes. Does anyone ever bother to dig into those stories to see what happened? Did Yoko actually say that? Was there a deal that fell apart? Did the reporter just make it up? If so, why? Was Apple trying to get us talking?

Despite all of my suspicions about leaks and promotion, I'm really excited about the tablet. It will be really interesting to see what they do with the interface.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573514)

While the tablet will be cool it is running iphoneOS which meansno flash. While not having flash is good for the small screened iPhone nothaving it on a larger device just wontgo over well.

How do I know it is running iphoneos? Apple putout a developers call to make sure iPhone apps wereusing resolution independant API and widgets. Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573554)

My MacBook can run iPhone apps. I guess it must be running a version of OS X that's identical to the iPhone version too, eh?

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573568)

I think there is a 'space' key on the iphone keyboard somewhere...... Oh wait!

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

monomania (595068) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573784)

All the developer-call you cite might mean, is that existing iPhone apps have to run on it with resolution independence. It doesn't mean that other apps developed specifically for the device could not implement Flash, or that Flash for iPhone OS isn't in the works, or that (regardless of Flash for iPhone) there is not a "Flash for i[Slate | Pad | Whatever] in the pipeline, or that a new class of hybrid apps for both iPhone and this new device might not be possible in the near future. My only hope for the device, myself, is that whatever the screen size or aspect ratio, it supports 720p resolution, if not higher.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574152)

For non-dpi-flexible apps and to keep sharp pixels for pixel-based apps (such as bitmap games), Apple would have been wise to use a multiples-of-480x320 display. So the "iSlate" could very well be only 960x640.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574376)

While the tablet will be cool it is running iphoneOS which meansno flash.

First, youmay want to make sureyour spacebar is working.

It's very likely that this is not true -- my understanding is that there wasn't an ARM port of Flash for OS X, or something like that. But I don't really know. Still, keep in mind -- the iPhone OS is just a modified OS X.

How do I know it is running iphoneos? Apple putout a developers call to make sure iPhone apps wereusing resolution independant API and widgets.

Yes, because that's obviously conclusive evidence... Think about that for a second:

Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

Do you really think the iPhone will only ever be 320x240, especially when most Android implementations seem to be higher resolution?

But let's say it's all true. Honestly, I'm glad there's no Flash -- that means web app developers will be forced to use actual open standard web technologies -- or pre-standards, if you insist on calling HTML5 that. No, the bigger disappointment would be the continuation of the stupidity that is the locked-down App Store, and the Apple-knows-best motto of actively attempting to prevent users from installing any software that hasn't been blessed by Apple.

Seriously, if they intend to extend that onto this tablet device, I'm guessing it's a step towards moving on the desktop. Right now, OS X allows free, open development, but that also means Apple doesn't get to veto competition, and they don't get a commission on every single OS X app.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574800)

Seriously, if they intend to extend that onto this tablet device, I'm guessing it's a step towards moving on the desktop. Right now, OS X allows free, open development, but that also means Apple doesn't get to veto competition, and they don't get a commission on every single OS X app.

Other than Mr. Ballmer up there whining about the free publicity, I think a lot of people are wondering where this thing will shake out (if of course it exists in the first place). I would really like the OS X version. The target demographic maybe not so much.

I would imagine you could do both, after all you can root the iPhone to get more or less standard OS X. If they just left that as a user controlled option (well, a 'legal' user controlled option) along with some security to make sure that clutzoide Luser couldn't drop it into root by mistake, then we could all be happy.

Maybe it will come with a pony...

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575062)

along with some security to make sure that clutzoide Luser couldn't drop it into root by mistake,

Doesn't OS X already have this in the form of sudo?

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

CoderDevo (30602) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574944)

Dont assume the screensize is 320x240.

Yes that would be a bad assumption since the iPhone screensize has always been 320x480.

It doesn't take tablet to change that either. I expect future iPhone displays to increase the resolution even if the physical phone does not get bigger. Competitor phones are already at 360x640 and 480x854.

A smaller pixel size can be a competitive selling feature by providing a better user experience, especially as these devices are increasingly used for viewing detailed images such as maps or even rendering realistic 3D.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575218)

Not having flash on a big number of devices is a good thing. Then we might finally get rid of the crap and get good HTML 5 support all around

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573614)

of course it's "leaks" by marketing. my favorite was all the idiots falling for the Pre hype like the unboxing videos of supposedly "stolen" Pre's where nothing about the OS or use was demonstrated. all the idiots thought it was really rogue employees doing it instead of the marketing drones. if they were real unboxing videos people would have used the phone and not just taken it out of the box

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575138)

This is why unboxing videos are for retards only. Come on, I dont care you opened some new toy and held it to the camera. Plug it in turn it on show me the UI or you are just a poser wannabe tool.

That is 99.997% of all unboxing vids on the net. Loser tools doing nothing helpful to anyone.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (2, Insightful)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573786)

How much do we know about the ways in which Apple uses rumors to gin up interest in new products?

I thought it was pretty clear -- it's a cheap way to gauge interest and reactions to a product before it's release. People weren't excited about two batteries in the iPhone... whoosh, it doesn't get that. People get excited about wifi blamo, it makes it into the final product. It saves millions in market research, focus groups, etc. Oh yeah, and everybody talking about a product, getting all excited, even though they haven't the foggiest what it'll be -- that's free word of mouth press. That's the kind of publicity that Google has paid tens of millions for with Droid -- and people still only shrug at it.

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

Wister285 (185087) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574182)

Sure, they use it generate interest. I certainly hope they do. But what if they did something else instead?

What if the rumor-mongered to generate ideas?

Apple seems to do it all the time now too. Maybe it's just looking for a conspiracy when there isn't one, but think about it. What a great business model:

1. Think about something that people are dissatisfied with and is lagging technologically.
2. Use your reputation and clout to monger a rumor about an "upcoming" product.
3. Cherry pick ideas generating by hundreds of people.
4. Develop and polish product.
5. Profit!

Seems pretty simple to me. You off-load all of your speculative R&D efforts onto the public. That is probably the most cost-intensive portion of any company that relies on innovation. Brilliant!

Re:How does Apple use rumors? (1)

ceoyoyo (59147) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574546)

Apple certainly has some kind of control. There are always lots of Apple product announcement rumours, including ones for real future products years in advance, but the rumours don't grow to fever pitch until there's ACTUALLY a product announcement in the near future. And those rumours are always basically on target, with the speculation limited to details.

It was obvious before the iPhone came out that Apple was going to announce a phone of some kind. Naturally the speculators didn't get the design right (otherwise Apple could just hire them instead of actual designers and engineers) but the phone part was dead on.

At the end of January Apple will release something, almost certainly some kind of touch interface tablet/slate/big iphone type device. As for the details? Everything we've heard is almost certainly substantially inaccurate.

The product will not have an "i" prefix. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573404)

They are launching a whole new branch of products and phasing out the "i' product all together in the next 3 years.

Just thought I'd add to the rumor mill.

--SJ

Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. (4, Interesting)

stokessd (89903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573526)

"They are launching a whole new branch of products and phasing out the "i' product all together in the next 3 years."

I hope so, the "i"everything was annoying when it came out on crummy ugly gumdrop computers, and it hasn't gotten better over time. I had hoped that the two word naming was the "new hotness" IE frontRow, finalCut, etc. but no... Thankfully, the colored translucent plastic era seems to be behind us.

I'm still scratching my head over the tablet, it was obvious that a phone with a non-sucko UI was needed when the iPhone came out, and even before seeing the product, I could imagine how it would make my life better. With the tablet, I don't have such a clear image of how it will make my life worth living.

Sheldon

Re:The product will not have an "i" prefix. (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573850)

Instead, they will be using the "a" (for "Apple") prefix instead. Also, they will be introducing a device that combines all the features of all of their portable devices, tentatively named the "aWhole".

You mean that... (1)

denzacar (181829) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574030)

...there are rumors that they have purchased another vowel?

Re:You mean that... (2, Funny)

stokessd (89903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574420)

...there are rumors that they have purchased another vowel?

The uTouch sounds a bit creepy and ... mmmmmm that feels good...but this is wrong... don't stop...

That may be true, but (0, Flamebait)

dilemmachine (1708584) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573430)

It will still be an amazing device nonetheless. Not just because of what it can do, but because of the thousands of awesome apps that can run on it.

I hear... (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573458)

I hear they will open an Apple Bookstore.

Re:I hear... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573584)

And I have caught wind that they plan to open a gay bathhouse...

Re:I hear... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573806)

Are you saying they closed down the old one?

"Blogosphere?" (2, Funny)

bonch (38532) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573462)

"Blogosphere?" Is this 2004?

Anyway, the so-called iSlate is probably a real product, but it might just be a larger version of the iPhone. Like every Apple release, the rumor hype will excite people to impossibly high standards, and when the actual product comes out, forums will be filled with sarcastic bitching, even though all of them will buy it anyway. Also, someone will post a link to the Apple rumor cycle.

Re:"Blogosphere?" (1)

Dan East (318230) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573686)

Anyway, the so-called iSlate is probably a real product, but it might just be a larger version of the iPhone.

The real question is will the iSlate be a MacBook in tablet form, or an iPod Touch in tablet form. My guess is the former, because I don't think a totally locked down tablet would succeed, and applications written for iPhone / iPod Touch are designed around a specific display size and ratio, and thus would not be conducive to a larger display. However, standard OSX apps would be right at home on a tablet PC.

So my bet is an x86 based super-thin tablet version of the MacBook sporting multitouch support, some custom shell for streamlined app launching (which will look very similar to iPhone), and an open architecture supporting existing OSX apps, and extension of the existing iPhone app store to support these apps and allow Apple to make money off of 3rd party software. This will directly push consumers into the full OSX / Macintosh experience, which is not something the iPhone achieved (besides generic Apple brand exposure).

Re:"Blogosphere?" (1)

Serious Callers Only (1022605) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574670)

So my bet is an x86 based super-thin tablet version of the MacBook sporting multitouch support, some custom shell for streamlined app launching (which will look very similar to iPhone), and an open architecture supporting existing OSX apps

This is the sort of horrible kludge Microsoft would come up with - trying to run desktop apps on a touch device.

Any slate will run iPhone OS - the variant of OS X which is tailored for a touch interface, and iPhone OS apps, which are tailored for a small screen (of varying sizes, as when an iPhone rotates). That'll require a little bit of tweaking, but not much, for existing apps. It'll look similar to an iPhone because it'll be running the same OS. We already know it's ARM based anyway, which rules out desktop OS X. As for pushing customers towards the Mac - the Mac is the last great thing as far as Jobs is concerned; devices are the new playground, and also where the money is for Apple.

A larger iPhone/iPod would be a very successful product, as it could be used for reading, consuming media, and anything else that requires a larger screen. That's all it would take for Apple to have a hit in another product segment - they already have most of the software ready for media/video/reading, so it's just a matter of getting the hardware right.

Re:"an open architecture supporting existing OSX" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574940)

My bet would be on the other side of the fence: bringing the closed structure of iTunes and the App store to laptop-like-ish devices would, IMO, be a good way to get content providers on board, and I think that is necessary for any 'reader' product. I also think that, for most consumers, having one app store leads to more sales. But we'll see, first whether this device exists at all.

Re:"Blogosphere?" (1)

hiscross (1226636) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574286)

Perfect and well said. I really want John Galt until Jesus returns.

not constructive, just reasonable...also a waste. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573640)

The iphone was pretty much the beginning of a new paradigm. The tablet device is just a logical progression from the iphone to fill the gap between the iphone and macbooks. It's not difficult to speculate and rumorize something like this with relative accuracy compared to the iPhone hooey. Also, it's worthwhile to have active chatter about these kinds of rumored features. If there's something that sucks...like excessive proprietary influence or lacking features, it's good to get the explore benefits and drawbacks. Designers and engineers don't live in bubbles. They hear you when you speculate and bitch and moan.

I see, you guys are working really hard... (1, Flamebait)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573644)

...to pull yet another Apple article out of your asses, even when there is absolutely nothing to report anymore and we’re all already stuffed to the top with it.

I wonder what Apple pays for this...

Just remember: Every new story about it, makes me want it less and block it more.

Flash: Steve Jobs may have farted (0, Troll)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573646)

Film at eleven. Exclusive /. coverage [slashdot.org] now!

The iSlate will have... (5, Funny)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573668)

1. Removable battery
2. Free upload of unsigned software and drivers, not locking the user in to any sort of "app mall."
3. Full physical keyboard since everyone knows software keyboards are annoying
4. Full and open support for third party hardware
5. An affordable, low price-point that even Apple's harshest critics cannot bring themselves to complain about
6. Copy and paste functionality at launch

Unable to obtain 100% accuracy, now optimizing for 100% inaccuracy.

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573816)

Nice wish list; too bad it's not based on facts.

P.S. You forgot 7. Not locked to AT&T's network

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574052)

Is there much of a market for cellular devices larger than the iPhone?

There are applications where netbooks with cellular built into the device makes sense, but I would rather have cellular that I could also use with devices other than the netbook.

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574140)

There are applications where netbooks with cellular built into the device makes sense, but I would rather have cellular that I could also use with devices other than the netbook.

That's called pulling out the SIM and putting it in your other devices.

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574386)

The iPhone has two flaws: 1) No hardware keyboard, and 2) Not large enough screen to use for reading eBooks (at least for my eyes). The iSlate solves problem 2. It competes not with touchscreen phones, but with Kindle and Nook, while providing an MP3/video/game player as well. The only question is whether or not it will have cell phone capability; the iTouch does well enough without a cell phone. I suspect the iSlate will just be a large-screen iTouch.

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

nsayer (86181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574510)

The iPhone has two flaws: 1) No hardware keyboard

Whoosh.

You got some right (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574056)

1. Removable battery

Ha Ha. Of course the battery will be sealed, it gives you longer battery life.

2. Free upload of unsigned software and drivers, not locking the user in to any sort of "app mall."

50/50

3. Full physical keyboard since everyone knows software keyboards are annoying

They are on full size devices. On smaller devices the physical keyboards are more annoying. Or why does the Google Phone not have a physical keyboard...

A larger slate size device will have a detachable keyboard.

4. Full and open support for third party hardware

Yep, USB/bluetooth/network. Not open enough for you?

5. An affordable, low price-point that even Apple's harshest critics cannot bring themselves to complain about

Ha Ha.

6. Copy and paste functionality at launch

Oh hilarious. Probably mutli-touch too, which Android couldn't bother with at launch. Which was more important to have out of the gate?

Re:You got some right (1)

Nadaka (224565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574290)

http://www.alwaysinnovating.com/touchbook/ [alwaysinnovating.com]
Meets all requirements.
It also have about a quarter the cpu performance of a typical netbook for the same price range.

Re:You got some right (1)

bertoelcon (1557907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574404)

Or why does the Google Phone not have a physical keyboard...

WTF are you talking about? The Nexus One or Android phones? I know that G1 and Milestone(Droid) both have keyboards even if some Android phones don't.

Nexus (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574580)

WTF are you talking about? The Nexus One or Android phones?

Obviously the Nexus, since none of the others you list are made by Google.

The Nexus does not have a physical keyboard (as per a source who has used one).

Re:You got some right (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574592)

All of us here at slashdot would like to commend you on your efforts towards pretending you actually do have a sense of humor. While you're not all the way there yet, you've shown marked improvement in your awareness that sarcasm and humor exist. Your effort is tremendous!

However, your attempt was marred by the blatant apple fanboyism in your post, which gives away the fact that you actually are a robot. Once you learn to recognize and execute the proper response to the post you replied to, your personality version will be a lot closer to full-scale production.

I'll give you a slight hint in that it's in the vein of nobody caring about the iphone compared to its competitors after their iphone battery has died or when they had the copy and paste functionality of a mid-1990s linux system. Not caring indicates your post might have been completely unnecessary! Start from there, and keep working.

Good job!

It's called "prognostication" (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574904)

However, your attempt was marred by the blatant apple fanboyism in your post

I don't see how feeding you details of what will be is "fanboyism". It's called "prognostication".

Personally I have always expressed doubt for the whole tablet form factor, even ones from Apple, which is why I think in the end any Apple tablet to be marketable is going to be essentially a touchscreen laptop. Even then I'm not sure well.

I'm sure in your little tiny Hater mind you can find someway to spin that into "fanboyism", but the rest of us can read that for what it is...

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574254)

And tomorrow, Cisco will announce a similar but unrelated product called iSlate!

Re:The iSlate will have... (1)

nathan.fulton (1160807) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575166)

So it's going to run Linux?

iLaunch (1)

Princeofcups (150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573748)

Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in force. (0, Flamebait)

aussersterne (212916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573752)

Listen, I'm a Linux user (okay, I do own an iPhone, but I was a Palm phone user for years before that) and don't own or use a Mac or any other Apple products (apart from an iPhone), but seriously. Apple makes products that are, to my eye, of a generally better design, quality, and level of attentiveness and integration than your average Dell or HP or Motorola, etc.

Apple products are well-liked and often do very well in their market segments.

Shock though it may come to some here, the iPhone does in fact make and receive calls and do any number of other very useful things, yes even in New York, and I imagine that the iPod is pretty good at playing music and Macs are pretty good at web browsing, word processing, multimedia, and other things that many people typically use computers for.

So what's with the virulent, rabid anti-Apple hyperbole and the (getting very old and boring) claims (presumably in the interest of a kind of sledgehammer humor) that Apple products don't actually work at all, and that there is therefore something offensive about people that use Apple products?

Is Slashdot the victim of a giant backhanded astroturfing campaign by Verizon, HP, and Dell, or what?

Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573892)

No, the answer is quite simple, the same answer it's been for ages. People don't like Apple because they can't afford their hardware. There is no other reason than that. I'm not trolling, this is actually what I've been told by a few people who adamantly bash Apple. They bash them non-stop but if I bring my MacBook Pro around, they will then proceed to say "I wish I could have afforded a MBP." The ironic part is, if you can afford a mid-range HP laptop, you can afford an Apple laptop. Maybe not Everyone, but with student discount, or developer discount if they apply, you get a Better deal than a plastic laptop.

Note that this, however, only applies to Aluminum MacBook (Pro's). I've never used another Apple product so can't really say about the costs of those.

Nope, wrong. (0)

LibertineR (591918) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574102)

Geeks can generally find a way to afford any hardware that we want. The problem is, we dont WANT to afford hardware that is grossly overpriced. It is also wrong to suggest that those who dont buy Apple products are somehow against Apple. I think you would find most people appreciate what Apple does, even if we dont want to pay those outrageous prices, in order to be part of the 'club'.

Apple doesnt to anything from a functional perspective that others dont; iPhone being a perfect example. My Blackberry had every feature that the iPhone3G had a year before the 3G was available. If there is anything about Apple that I personally resent, it might be their propensity to suggest innovation and features never existed until they incorporated them into their own products.

Apple would be fine allowing one to believe that no phone had true GPS or A2DP until the G3, and I know more than one iPhone owner who believed that until I set them straight. I truly appreciate Apple's marketing prowess, and their product design abilities are unmatched. There are just a number of us who can appreciate Apple without paying more than twice the average price for similar technology. This past Christmas, I purchased THREE HP laptops on Black Friday for LESS than the price of MacBook Pro with the same feature set, same RAM, and and bigger disks.

Is the MacBook a better machine anyway? Perhaps, but NOT 3+ times better.

Re:Nope, wrong. (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574484)

I gave up on Mac right around the time that System 7.x was upgraded to Mac OS 8. I was bummed because my old Centris/Quadra 610 was too old and slow to work with OS 8, and with my limited teenage budget I was able to get a PC with much better specifications for less than half the price of a decent Mac.

Fast forward to now; I work and have a toy budget. Mac hardware is nice, but still very expensive to the point where I wasn't going to pay the premium.

I have a Dell Mini netbook which has a very nice design with sleek smooth lines, light weight, portability, etc. but an OS that I'm fed up with. I was fine with XP, but Vista and now even Win 7 are just painful to use and maintain anymore. I found a way to get snow leopard on it, and I'm very satisfied! So satisfied in fact that I bought a full sized MacBook Pro; a friend of mine has an older (circa 2007) MacBook Pro that he tried to sell but apparently all the consumers aren't interested in MacBooks that don't have the new unibody design, at least consumers in the NY area.

I think I'm sold on Mac now as I'm just tired of dealing with Windows. Ubuntu 'works' but it too is a hassle to get things the way I like, and to expect my non-technically-minded relatives to use it. Your best bet is to look for deals on used equipment, especially stuff that isn't from the current generation. Apparently there are a lot of consumers who have $$$ to spend on the latest Apple toys.

Re:Nope, wrong. (1)

xch13fx (1463819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574954)

...And games, Apple is not game friendly(outside of WoW, and a very few others).

Re:Nope, wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575118)

There are two flaws in you comment above: 1) The assumption that it matters if Apple users (or anyone else, for that matter) think their Apple devices have functionality that is unique and/or first. The point is, they were moved to buy the Apple device and not the competing device that has the same functionality or had it first. 2) In your opinion, a MacBook Pro may not be 3 times better than an HP laptop, but to the majority of Mac users, it just has to be just somewhat better, since they can only use one computer at a time and it's the experience you are having in the moment that matters.

Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574016)

So what's with the virulent, rabid anti-Apple hyperbole and the (getting very old and boring) claims (presumably in the interest of a kind of sledgehammer humor) that Apple products don't actually work at all, and that there is therefore something offensive about people that use Apple products?

Surprise -- so far there have been no such comments... except yours.

BTW, I don't own an Apple anything, although I'll probably get an iPod pretty soon.

Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for (1)

dissy (172727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574562)

Surprise -- so far there have been no such comments... except yours.

There most likely are plenty of them, but they are all sitting down at -1 Troll and will remain that way.

Slashdot has been anti-technology for quite a few years now (Note how the first 1-3 posts on every new technology story is along the lines of "Pfft this is teh dumz0rs!" or "Why bother? That won't make money"

My personal observation is that less than 1/10th of slashdots current and active community are in any way interested in new technology for the sake of technology (aka Computer geek)

The other 9/10ths either have zero curiosity about how things function, and quite a few are actively against new technology.

Apple, being one of the more public facing R&D companies around in the computer biz, of course deals with creating lots of new technology. This is the main reason they are hated on by most current slashdotters, and why those of us that DO like technology for the sake of technology get modded off as trolls and off-topic.

Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574732)

Sadly, I fear you're right. It does seem that there are quite a few non-nerd noncompos here.

Re:Of course the anti-Apple fanbois are out in for (1)

leamanc (961376) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574396)

Just an OT question here: Since you are a Linux user, how do you sync, charge and update your iPhone? iTunes via Wine? Or a full-fledged VM solution like VMWare? I have several Macs along with my Linux boxen, and I've tinkered with using my iPhone with Linux, but it's just plain easier to plug it into a Mac and not worry about the rather troublesome iTunes installation via Wine. Or is there some solution available to jailbroken iPhones that allows syncing without iTunes?

iSlate name (5, Insightful)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573758)

Regardless of any functionality this tablet will have, it only takes a very short time to come up with the "is-late" pronunciation of iSlate. I can't imagine that Jobs would let anything that could be turned into a such an obvious mockery of Apple be released. I have no idea what the table will be called, but I am betting heavily against "iSlate" - and yes I have been following all the reports on companies being purchased etc.

Re:iSlate name (1)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 4 years ago | (#30573992)

They could revive Newton, or iBook. But it seems that a Slate is also a revival of an earlier product.

Re:iSlate name (1)

bWareiWare.co.uk (660144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574036)

i-ph-on-e sounds a bit rude to me, and at best promotes drugs.

Re:iSlate name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574300)

Since Apple doesn't announce a release date for new products it would be difficult for the iSlate to be late. More than any other cmpqny Apple has performed very well with timing the announcement and immediate availablity of a product. The biggest critic has always been shortage due to playing safe on estimates of demand. Therefore I'd not expect to see Apple name something iSavailable but iSlate seems reasonable enough.

Re:iSlate name (1)

OzPeter (195038) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574426)

Since Apple doesn't announce a release date for new products it would be difficult for the iSlate to be late.

While you are technically correct, no business person would ever want their product associated with a negative perception no matter how untrue the connection was.

Re:iSlate name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574528)

I agree. Perhaps they could change it to iStale.

Re:iSlate name (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574544)

I read in a newspaper made from paper that the device could be called "ipad" which made me laugh because of this [xkcd.com]

Re:iSlate name (1)

jollyreaper (513215) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574890)

Regardless of any functionality this tablet will have, it only takes a very short time to come up with the "is-late" pronunciation of iSlate. I can't imagine that Jobs would let anything that could be turned into a such an obvious mockery of Apple be released. I have no idea what the table will be called, but I am betting heavily against "iSlate" - and yes I have been following all the reports on companies being purchased etc.

Oh, and I suppose you're nixing iSoar for similar reasons. Spoilsport.

In keeping with the i-name, iPad or iTab, iTablet, or something similar would make sense. iRaq and iRan were already used by Mad TV.

iSpecs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573812)

I understand the iPad on the iFront will support "iAm - iFeel" (AKA Alisha's) gesturing, the unit has iTooth connectivity and 'advanced' iWifi. The logon tune is a short snippet from "If I ruled the world", the iBoard keyboard has extra, proprietary buttons for iInstant iInterfacting(TM) (aka I4) to iPods and iPhones, the iScreen runs in a proprietary iWXVGA mode and the whole unit runs iOSX.

The marketing campaign will be fronted by Black iPeas and the unit will cost significantly more than a similar one from another manufacturer but will still be bought in large numbers by iDiots

At first I thought kdawson posted this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30573866)

Hey Taco, Are you learning new skills from kdawson??? What is the purpose of this story???

Re:At first I thought kdawson posted this (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574010)

CmdrTaco was kdawson's mentor. kdawson owes the fact that he is such a shitty editor to being Taco's protégé.

The Apple product cycle in action (1)

David Gerard (12369) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574232)

Apple is reportedly close to launching its long-rumored ____. It could be Apple’s latest billion-dollar jackpot.

Analyst speculation says the ___ will be launched in September and be in the shops by Christmas. A new mention of the ___ crops up on Twitter around every eight minutes.

christ, we should all know better by now. See here [newstechnica.com] and fill in the rest yourself. Illustration: the new iPod shuffle.

Re:The Apple product cycle in action (1)

Titoxd (1116095) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574440)

David, you keep posting the same thing on every Apple story. The joke is getting a bit stale; stop beating the dead horse...

Own network??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574366)

I know, i know!! It's name will be "Apple Talk"...

yeah, i'll go away, right now...

Appleberry? Appleberry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574644)

Where have all the appleberries gone? I'm going to make pie.

Re:Appleberry? Appleberry? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574770)

Assuming a mud pie, based on your last Texas Hot Plate [urbandictionary.com] .

Only one thing that really matters... (1)

Millennium (2451) | more than 4 years ago | (#30574762)

There's a lot people are bandying about that's off-base, no doubt. But IMHO, there's really only one off-base thing about the iSlate that matters: the assertion that it exists at all.

There will be no second coming of Newton, folks. It failed. So have pretty much all other tablet initiatives, of which the one we currently call "tablet computing" was not the first. They sound neat and shiny on paper, but they just aren't practical, and Apple -having tried it before, keep in mind- knows this.

The Big Picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30574970)

For a site that is supposedly frequented by self-described geeks, you guys are missing the (obvious) big picture. Assuming the new, rumored Apple device is real, it's importance will be that it will stand alone. Apple's latest successes are in the consumer electronics category. These categories are a far cry from computers, both in the amount of knowledge, dedication (yes, even now) required to operate and the financial rewards for the manufacturer. The iPod and the iPhone both require computers (iTunes) to acquire new software, and, even though iTunes is available on the Touch and the iPhone, you still are required to tether it to your computer occasionally. The new device (I predict) will stand alone. It will not require a companion computer. In this sense, it will create a new (even larger, I predict) category of users: 1) Mac owners with an iPod/iPhone, 2) PC owners with an iPod/iPhone and 3) Owners of this new device - no previous/current computer ownership required.

This purchase of this device will be marketed similar to the purchase decision of a TV, or a DVD player - not at all intimidating. Of course the beauty of it all is that it will (in many situations) replace your TV, DVD player, books, game console, computer, iPod and audio book player (whatever device you currently use for that).

At first the cost will be higher than most will spend, but soon, the price will drop to compete with the higher end netbooks, kindles, e-readers, etc.

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