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Extinct Ibex Resurrected By Cloning

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the someone-call-ripley dept.

Biotech 238

The Telegraph is reporting that for the first time an extinct animal has been brought back via cloning. The Pyrenean ibex, a type of mountain goat, was declared officially extinct in 2000, but thanks to preserved skin samples scientists were able to insert that DNA into eggs from domestic goats to clone a female Pyrenean ibex. While the goat didn't survive long due to lung defects this gives scientists hopes that it will be possible to resurrect extinct species from frozen tissue. "Using techniques similar to those used to clone Dolly the sheep, known as nuclear transfer, the researchers were able to transplant DNA from the tissue into eggs taken from domestic goats to create 439 embryos, of which 57 were implanted into surrogate females. Just seven of the embryos resulted in pregnancies and only one of the goats finally gave birth to a female bucardo, which died seven minutes later due to breathing difficulties, perhaps due to flaws in the DNA used to create the clone."

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No Problem... (5, Funny)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575606)

We can just patch the damaged or missing segments with frog DNA...

Re:No Problem... (5, Funny)

bearflash (1671358) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575644)

And since they're all females, there's no way they can reproduce! I'm 100% certain that the Ibex will never escape this remote Costa Rican island

Re:No Problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575708)

Oh yeah "Ooh, aah", that's how it always starts. But then there's running and screaming.

Re:No Problem... (2, Funny)

ushering05401 (1086795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575718)

WTF, totally OT, but I just booted my computer and instead of the standard GNOME desktop there was some 80's style VR simulation with blocky structures representing the files on my computer. It's a good thing I know Unix, I was able to fly to the proper building to get my system back on line. Close call, though.

Re:No Problem... (2, Informative)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575806)

Yeah, fsn [wikipedia.org] was one of the cooler things that SGI created for IRIX.

Call Dr Neil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575636)

Jurassic Park!

Re:Call Dr Neil (2, Funny)

burner (8666) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575830)

I'm thinking Jurassic Pork. Bring back some extinct hog species and grill 'em up!

Re:Call Dr Neil (1)

happy_place (632005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575992)

Actually ressurrecting a goat is not the same as bringing back a T-Rex. But hey, at least we'll be able to feed it, if we ever do bring back the dinosaurs...

Don't worry! (2, Funny)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575638)

Nature will find a way.

Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?

Re:Don't worry! (1)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575916)

>> Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?

The movie or the book?
*ducks*

Re:Don't worry! (2, Funny)

Aeros (668253) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576152)

the folk song

Oblig. (1)

bcong (1125705) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576006)

John Hammond: "All major theme parks have had delays. When they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked!"

Dr. Ian Malcolm: "But, John. If the Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists."

Re:Don't worry! (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576036)

I didn't know there was going to be a test. I thought it was just for fun.

Re:Don't worry! (1)

LifesABeach (234436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576182)

Maybe we can have a "Coupon Day?"

Anyone else read this as (1, Interesting)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575642)

"one of the goats finally gave birth to a female burrito"?
'cause I sure did.

Re:Anyone else read this as (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575802)

That's burrita to you señor!

Re:Anyone else read this as (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576074)

Ugh. Now I have a picture of a fat man laying down underneath a goat giving birth to a burrito so it will fall directly into his mouth. Thanks for that.

science! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575646)

science!

Re:science! (1)

InsaneProcessor (869563) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576342)

bad science! There is a reason it is extinct and once this has happened nature will not be reversed. Whatever they come up with, will not be the original species. It is gone forever.

Is it just me.. (0)

VMaN (164134) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575650)

...or does that quote sound like something Douglas Adams would write?

Re:Is it just me.. (1)

Jawn98685 (687784) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576196)

"...female burrito..."
Let's see...
"...which hovered in the air in much the same way that bricks don't."
Nope. It's not just you. :)

Did you see that Moive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575658)

Didn't anyone see Jurassic Park? I for one welcome our new T-Rex overlords.

Not exactly. (4, Informative)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575672)

The mitochondrial DNA will not be from the IBX so what you have is still an hybrid.
Maybe better than nothing but not really bringing the species back.

Re:Not exactly. (1)

Haxzaw (1502841) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575776)

I wonder what will happen when the scientists manage to clone a few of these, from the same DNA mind you, and they inbreed with themselves so to speak. Can't be a very viable life form, but I'm not a geneticist.

Re:Not exactly. (2, Informative)

LordOfTheNoobs (949080) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576076)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_DNA [wikipedia.org]

Mitochondrial DNA is separate from the DNA of the host organism. It is inherited through the colony of mitochondria living in the egg the mother forms. No Ibex mother, no Ibex mitochondria. The mitochondria reproduce without interference from the hosts nuclear DNA. I don't know that this qualifies the animal as a hybrid, but as an environment its cellular flora have been replaced.

Re:Not exactly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576330)

This was supposed to be a reply to Locke2005. Whoops.

Re:Not exactly. (1)

Aeros (668253) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576190)

well if you think about it isn't that how life supposedly happened?

Re:Not exactly. (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575826)

The first generation IS a hybrid, but then you implant that with extracted DNA, and so forth so that after several generations you get something that is pretty much equivalent to the extinct species. Problem is, the process can take a hundred years. I'm still waiting for them to do this with the wooly mammoth; logic dictates that if my ancestors hunted this species to extinction, they must have been REALLY tasty!

Re:Not exactly. (2, Insightful)

swillden (191260) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576022)

The first generation IS a hybrid, but then you implant that with extracted DNA, and so forth so that after several generations you get something that is pretty much equivalent to the extinct species.

How will that recover the mitochondrial DNA? What they need to do is to replace that as well, not just continue implanting the chromosomal DNA. Eventually we may learn how to do that, but we can't do it yet.

Re:Not exactly. (1)

PalmKiller (174161) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576192)

Well they might not have been all that tasty, but you got a lot of meat from one kill. So laziness of man might have driven their extinction instead.

Re:Not exactly. (2, Funny)

Aeros (668253) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576212)

better trademark the name 'Mammoth Burgers' and 'Mammoth Steaks' now then so your grandkids or great-grandkids will be wealthy!

Re:Not exactly. (4, Insightful)

pclminion (145572) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575852)

But if they have skin samples, then they do have the mitochondrial DNA. We just don't have the ability to replace that part of the cell structure. Yet. Another problem is that the specimen is female, meaning there is no Y chromosome, so we could never create a male.

At this point we should probably be harvesting DNA from threatened species (from enough donors to form a not-completely-terrible breeding population) and storing it away somewhere.

Re:Not exactly. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575960)

I'm sure that this is something that can be easily fixed by inoculating the cells with a healthy dose of metaclurians.

Jurassic Park here we come! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575684)

All I want to know is will we ever be able to clone a dinosaur? A goat giving birth to a different kind of goat is ok I guess but what if there is no close relative to the extinct species you want to clone?

It's ALIVE!!!!! (2, Funny)

Yo Grark (465041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575692)

I won't goat you, I herd it's dead Jim.

Ewe!

Yo Grark

Re:It's ALIVE!!!!! (0)

dkleinsc (563838) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575722)

You're obviously kidding there.

Re:It's ALIVE!!!!! (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575906)

You must be gnu here.

Re:It's ALIVE!!!!! (1)

Vindicator9000 (672761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576304)

ha ha, very punny.

Re:It's ALIVE!!!!! (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576072)

Just needs more RAM.

Corrected title... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575694)

Pyrenean Ibex extinct... again.

yesh... (2, Funny)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576102)

no, no, no, no, no!

try this :
"This just in, Pyrenean Ibex still extinct." </Chevy Chase>

Intrepid Ibex (1)

Xamusk (702162) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575716)

That a real Intrepid Ibex

Re:Intrepid Ibex (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575784)

I knew it! The koala killed her! Now that poor beast only has 5 months to live before the lynx comes along...

Como? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575736)

What exactly does this story have to do with Spanish stock indices? [wikipedia.org]

A new first (5, Insightful)

Haxzaw (1502841) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575738)

So, this Ibex became the first species to become extinct twice?

Re:A new first (5, Insightful)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575758)

And the first clone to be the only one of its kind. ’Tis a grand day for clones!

Re:A new first (1)

Warhawke (1312723) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576400)

Boba Fett is not pleased.

Re:A new first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576310)

hhaha

So when... (1)

SirBigSpur (1677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575752)

do I get me pet Mastadon?

Re:So when... (1)

SirBigSpur (1677306) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575794)

EDIT do I get me a pet Mastadon? Typing fail

Re:So when... (4, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576216)

Mammoth fail. Tusk. Tusk. Tusk.

What a coincidence! (1)

greatica (1586137) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575760)

"While the goat didn't survive long due to lung defects this gives scientists hopes that it will be possible to resurrect extinct species from frozen tissue."

That was about how my 8.10 experience went too.

Re:What a coincidence! (1)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575772)

Well, clearly it wasn't the LTS release of the clone ;-)

Old story is old. (1)

dougmwne (958276) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575766)

Why is this story from 11 months ago being reported by Slashdot as if it just happened? Could the reason be anything other than sloppy content gate keeping?

Re:Old story is old. (1)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575840)

No, this isn't sloppy gate keeping. ScuttleMonkey is just a fucking retard.

Re:Old story is old. (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575846)

The original story was declared extinct. This story is the clone and, hopefully, will die a quick death.

Re:Old story is old. (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575860)

It’s lasted a lot longer than 7 minutes. New record!!

Re:Old story is old. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576318)

Dead clones lives longer on /. ?

Re:Old story is old. (2, Interesting)

Conchobair (1648793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576080)

I'll bet the good people at The Telegraph are wondering how a story published on 31 Jan 2009 made it back into the most viewed list.

Nice try (1)

jimbobborg (128330) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575770)

But I would suggest that next time a species is down to 30 members, get samples from ALL of them. For all they know, this last one may have had some genetic defect, and pulling DNA from her eye probably didn't help her.

Re:Nice try (1)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575864)

Or, how about cloning them while they're still alive?

Re:Nice try (1)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575876)

Hindsight is 20/20 they say.

We haven't really been cloning all that long and as such, planning out how to best disassemble species as they become extinct isn't standard practice yet. They're still writing the RFCs, they haven't even been commented on yet, its gonna take a few tries to get it figured out.

Finally! (1)

RileyBryan (1475681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575824)

I've been waiting for YEARS for the chance to eat extinct animals! T-Rex Burgers, Bald Eagle Sandwiches, Dodo Egg Omelettes, Saber-toothed McNuggets! Yummmm!

Re:Finally! (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575836)

Bald Eagles aren’t extinct.

Re:Finally! (2, Funny)

RileyBryan (1475681) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575922)

But they are off the menu...

Re:Finally! (2, Funny)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576254)

Yeah, but that's because they taste too much like spotted owl.

Re:Finally! (2, Funny)

JustOK (667959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576256)

What about the Spam, Spam, Spam, Bald Eagle and Spam?

Re:Finally! (1)

NotBornYesterday (1093817) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575924)

You might want to re-check the status of the Bald Eagles.

Re:Finally! (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575996)

Bald eagle is not extinct. in fact it's not even endangered. You can eat them. Hell they are almost a pest here in Michigan.

Weird Al (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576286)

I want to fry up an eagle, just to see...
Fry up an eagle, use the colonel's recipe...

Re:Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576300)

What I want to know is how the fuck is the Canadian Goose still on the endangered list. Seriously if those fuckers aren't at or beyond their pre-endangered levels now I'd hate to see what those levels are like when they are no longer endangered.

Evil clone (2, Insightful)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575886)

Recognized by the goatee

Re:Evil clone (1)

Culture20 (968837) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576038)

Recognized by the goatee

Better than the goatse I suppose.

Re:Evil clone (4, Funny)

ianare (1132971) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576240)

The normal method fails here, after all they're _goats_

Genetically identical... (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575888)

He said: “The delivered kid was genetically identical to the bucardo. In species such as bucardo, cloning is the only possibility to avoid its complete disappearance.”

Except, I suppose, for the defective lungs?

lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575892)

Finally Sarah Palin can ride a T-rex like jesus did.

Re:lol (1)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575902)

That's important when she's up in Alaska and keeping an eye out on Russia.

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576272)

Forget about the Dinosaur,
Sarah Palin can ride me all night long.

Re:lol (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576336)

She'd have to be able to find your micropenis under the mountains of fat rolls first, wouldn't she?

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575914)

"Let them go gracefully. Leave nature alone. Haven't we done enough?"

George Carlin

Taking Orders? (2, Funny)

DorkRawk (719109) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575920)

1 dinosaur, please!

Extinct? I saw one last year. (1)

sciurus0 (894908) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575936)

$ lsb_release -c
Codename: ibex

Next up? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 4 years ago | (#30575962)

Wooly mammoth? Dodo? Passenger pigeon?

-jcr

Re:Next up? (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576218)

Firesign theater...

too easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30575990)

second goat [telegraph.co.uk] !

first a sheep, next Jesus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576004)

Using bloodstains from the shroud of Turin, Jesus will be cloned. All herald the second coming. Hallelujah, the missiles are flying!

Yo dawg (1)

dandart (1274360) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576014)

yo dawg/goat/fish, i herd u liek cloning so i put a goatfishcat in ur manbearpig but i eated it

Patching DNA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576020)

Do DNA patches come out on Tuesdays????

We need to clone Ted Williams next. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576040)

The Sox need a power hitter. I'd imagine that fans would underwrite the entire expense of the cloning operation.

Nothing new here... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576214)

As mentioned before, this is not an exact clone. The only thing this story proves is that they can create a hybrid animal (nothing new there) and that the researches who did this were dishonest about the product (nothing new there) and that the news media is full of a bunch of dolts with little desire or propensity for actual journalism (nothing new there either). The only thing that was created was 7 minutes of suffering.

OMG Can it be so? (1)

ZERO1ZERO (948669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576228)

I for one, welcome our newly extinct Ibex Clone overlords.

Human cloning and estate taxes (1)

caffeinefiend (681092) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576248)

Cloning is becoming more and more advanced. Human cloning will probably be achievable within the next 20 years. How long until Republicans back human cloning as a way to avoid estate taxes???

Re:Human cloning and estate taxes (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576284)

They’ll never succeed... the Democrats will have cloned people voting for them who haven’t even been born yet.

“Hey Bob, did you get that next rack of embryos out of the freezer? Okay, knock that test tube against the ballot here... great, definitely looks like a dimple on the punchtab. We both know who he meant to vote for, hehehe.”

Carnivorous jumping goats, that's just great! (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576348)

heh, I mis-read it as Piranha Ibex at first. I figured it must be a plot by PETA to let the little buggers fight back.

This is old news... (1)

cyberjock1980 (1131059) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576352)

The article linked is dated January 31, 2009. At least the article is dated this year...

Y2K Bug (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30576364)

They became extinct in 2000 because their coding only allowed for 2 digits for the year.

iBex... iDoDo... iSlate! (2, Interesting)

VoxMagis (1036530) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576388)

Don't you see? It's a marketing ploy by Apple!

Not necessarily (5, Informative)

HangingChad (677530) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576392)

...which died a seven minutes later due to breathing difficulties, perhaps due to flaws in the DNA used to create the clone.

I have a goat herd and trust me when I say there doesn't have to be any flaws in the DNA to lose a baby. I've seen them still born, born too frail to stand up and get colostrum from mom, seen them live for a couple days and then die for no apparent reason. There's a reason goats have babies two and sometimes three at a time. The loss rate can be high, even under ideal conditions. The breed difference could account for it. Maybe the original breed had a slightly longer gestation period than modern goats.

Back in the day I used to help a vet implant zebra embryos in horses. The take rate was a bit higher than that experiment, but we had more embryos to work with. 10% was a pretty good rate for implants and there's a lot of data on horses.

The question on everybody's mind... (1)

JohnnyBGod (1088549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30576394)

Was it Intrepid?

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