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Canadian Censorship Takes Down 4500 Sites

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the now-that's-what-I-call-political-science dept.

Censorship 227

uncadonna writes "According to activist group The Yes Men, the government of Canada has shut down two parody websites criticizing Canada's poor environmental policy. The article goes on to claim that 'In response to Environment Canada's request, Serverloft immediately turned off a whole block of IP addresses, knocking out more than 4500 websites that had nothing to do with the parody sites or the activists who created them. Serverloft was shown no warrant, and never called the web hosting company about the shutdown.'"

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in soviet russia web site Censors you! (-1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585722)

in soviet russia web site Censors you!

Re:in soviet russia web site Censors you! (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585736)

in soviet russia web site Censors you!

URL or it didn't happen!

Re:in soviet russia web site Censors you! (2, Funny)

negrace (984807) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585838)

Do you mean in Soviet Canada?

Re:in soviet russia web site Censors you! (2, Informative)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586876)


Do you mean in Soviet Canada?

Nah, it fascist Harper's government. You guys had to put up with Bush for 10 years, while we get this Harper guy. The sad thing is the alternatives aren't much better.

Re:in soviet russia web site Censors you! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586238)

It's really no wonder why you have a -1 rating.

Works for me (5, Informative)

FPCat (646737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585730)

Umm, http://ec-gc.ca/ [ec-gc.ca] is working for me.....

Re:Works for me (4, Informative)

epiphani (254981) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585850)

I can somewhat understand where the Canadian government is coming from on this one. The .gc.ca domain is Canadian Government sites. This site is obviously designed to look like an official government site - using a domain that could confuse people.

I have a problem with censorship, but I also have a problem with intentionally misleading people, then screaming censorship when the folks you're trying to quietly impersonate come after you.

Re:Works for me (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586068)

Yeah, I'd agree, except using government muscle to come after people who mislead others is kind of a crappy thing to do.

A regular citizen or company wouldn't have gotten this reaction or been able to do this just because people were misleading. Neither should the government.

Re:Works for me (2)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586096)

Yeah, I'd agree, except using government muscle to come after people who mislead others is kind of a crappy thing to do.

Uhh, isn't that precisely what trademark law, and the enforcement thereof, exist to do?

Re:Works for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586138)

Seems YANAL heh.

Re:Works for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586882)

Seems YANALE heh.

Re:Works for me (5, Informative)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 4 years ago | (#30587014)

Yeah, I'd agree, except using government muscle to come after people who mislead others is kind of a crappy thing to do.

It was a German company that pulled the plug. They were under no obligation whatsoever to honor the request. It's them who screwed up most in this affair.

Re:Works for me (1)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586340)

I have a problem with censorship, but I also have a problem with intentionally misleading people, then screaming censorship when the folks you're trying to quietly impersonate come after you.

I can't disagree with that, but the real misdeed here is the lack of due process and the negligent clobbering of the unrelated 4500 sites. I'm not a Canadian lawyer, but I sure wish I was one right now.

It's not Canada who screwed up this time, but (2, Interesting)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586988)

Serverloft.

Indeed, why did Serverloft, a German company (according to TFA) react at all?

They should just have shown a huge phat finger to the Canucks, and say "you can't get us accross the huuuuge ocean". After all, it's not as if Canada was in a position of unleashing an Operation Desert Storm over Germany. One hosting company to avoid!

And such behavior would be entirely appropriate: after all that's exactly how Canada behaves when German citizens that have been wrongfully imprisoned in Canada want to seek compensation.

Re:Works for me (1)

uuddlrlrab (1617237) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586516)

I can understand anyone or any group not wanting to be impersonated and having said impostors make false statements or claims on your behalf, but this is ridiculous on the part of both the Canadian gov't & that hosting company. I don't know the specifics of Canuck law, but considering it's a parliamentary democracy, I can't imagine there aren't some due processes of law by which an aggrieved party, whether government department or private citizen, can ask the police/justice department to look into just that one specific website doing the impersonation, ask that just it and it alone be suspended/removed, not have a basic request not backed by any warrant result in an entire block of IP addresses being shut down. That is outrageous. If the article is to be believed, the government's next request is downright absurd...

Landreville also asked the ISP to "make every effort to prevent any further attempts concerning other environment-related domains (enviro, ec-gc, etc.) originating from your servers."

It's like the RIAA attitude is rubbing off everywhere. "Please act on our behalf to protect our image/intellectual property/etc, because we just don't feel like getting off our lazy asses to manage our own affairs." Ludicrous. I'm not advocating belligerence toward the law, but this kind of blind, sniveling compliance verges on the sort of grovelling a lackey does at the feet of his master. Whatever happened to "Get a warrant?"

Re:Works for me (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586574)

Misleading for what purpose?

If misleading to gain by foul means: tricking people into buying something they think is something else, providing personal information they wouldn't otherwise provide; etc. then yeah, shut that down.

If misleading to draw attention to a social ill by pulling a prank, then no, that's a very clever use of freedom of speech, even if somebody doesn't happen to think the prank is funny.

I think the "grandma test" is the best way to assess the situation. I wouldn't want my grandma to inadvertently give her credit card number to identity thieves. I wouldn't mind if my grandma was tricked into believing that Canada was going to pave the entire country. The former is malicious and harmful, the latter is just good clean confused-grandma fun.

Re:Works for me (3, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586648)

    They're not operating very far away from the phishers. Well, except they'll accept your invitations to speak at events, and get paid for it, as if they were the real people.

    They're not doing any good. They're actually very intentionally trying to pick fights with the government, and large corporations.

  The only thing they're not doing quite yet is accepting the money from online places. They are still actively committing fraud, under the guise of parody.

    It's folks like this that endanger free speech for everyone. I won't say to stop them, but I will strongly suggest that they shouldn't do it any more.

Re:Works for me (2, Insightful)

azgard (461476) | more than 4 years ago | (#30587012)

It's not really a fraud. If you are a fraudster, you do it for personal profit. This more like a variation of civil disobedience.

Re:Works for me (4, Interesting)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586958)

While I agree a bit, you apparently don’t know the Yes Men.
They are known for stunts where they impersonate government agencies, and then go e.g. to conferences and look how far they can go, until the audience starts to complain.

Turns out they can go further than even the tinfoil hat crowd could imagine.
They for example presented how one could catch the shit that’s going down the toilet, and making re-burgers out of them, to feed the 3rd world. Or how slavery is too expensive and the current model of letting them work there where you don’t even have to feed them at all, is much better.
And they got a whole room applauding at them.

They aim for a seriously presented but blatantly obvious and over the top parody.
And their point is, that people don’t get the parody and think it’s actually real.

Seems they won again. And we can all laugh at the Canadian government. The only reason we don’t laugh at you too, is because we can’t assume you did read TFA or saw their work. :) So I give you that.

Re:Works for me (5, Informative)

compro01 (777531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585864)

Both sites appear to be working fine from here in Canada also. This is either some quick backpedaling or bogus.

Re:Works for me.... not for long .... !!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586650)

Both sites appear to be working fine from here in Canada also.

Now that we've submitted our false news article to /. we are expecting these sites to shortly no longer be available.... so who's going to get the last laugh now eh?

Kind regards,

Web team @ gc.ca

Re:Works for me (4, Informative)

JWSmythe (446288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586660)

    I can't believe anyone is believing a press release done by a group who intentionally does bogus press releases and web sites. No one else sees the problem with this??

Re:Works for me (4, Interesting)

uncledrax (112438) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585878)

Ditto.

Either they turned them back on really quick, or the article itself is hoax-ad-ware? or something.. i'm sure there's some pre-ordained term for this from the Elders of the Internet

Re:Works for me (2, Insightful)

genner (694963) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586100)

Ditto.

Either they turned them back on really quick, or the article itself is hoax-ad-ware? or something.. i'm sure there's some pre-ordained term for this from the Elders of the Internet

Nope no pre-ordianed term. We didn't need one back in the day, since internet censorship was the feavered dream of a mad man back then.

Re:Works for me (2, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585964)

Yup, both sites are working for me as well.

So a few questions pop to mind. Did Serverloft shutdown the sites? Or was there a temporary outage that these "yesmen" interrupted as a deliberate take down? If Serverloft did take the sites down, why were 4500 other sites affected? Can they not shut down one or two sites without taking down every other site that shares the same IP? Why would a German ISP respond (briefly) to a request from "some guy" in a government job in another country, and then enable them again, within a matter of hours?

Re:Works for me (1)

puster2 (1343841) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586064)

Why would a German ISP respond (briefly) to a request from "some guy" in a government job in another country, and then enable them again, within a matter of hours?

Well I can say that (as a German) a demand from "some guy" would not just be met. If the claim is legal and backed by the appropriate institutions then I would believe it happens.

But then the question remains: Why would they shut down an entire IP-segment so that 4500 other pages are affected?

hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585752)

... this is an odd play for the federation

Hmmm (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585756)

I thought Canada was a bastion of civil liberties. What, with all the whiny hippies claiming they would move there if $event happened.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585894)

Yeah, well, once they cross the border they're shipped off to Nunavut.

Re:Hmmm (3, Interesting)

oldspewey (1303305) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586040)

Under the current conservative party government, we've been on a slow, quiet, insidious slide toward fascism. Suppression of information is a frequent and favourite tactic of this government - which is ironic considering they campaigned on "openness and accountability" during the '06 election.

Re:Hmmm (0, Offtopic)

bbhack (98541) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586066)

Under the current conservative party government

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re:Hmmm (2, Informative)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586174)

Under the current conservative party government

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I am not Canadian but I believe the name of the party is The Conservative Party. The word "conservative" lost its meaning a long time ago, particularly in the USA. How else do you explain the politicians who self-identify as "conservative" who are so eager to expand the size and power of government?

Re:Hmmm (5, Informative)

MadnessASAP (1052274) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586402)

As a Canadian I can confirm that they are in fact called "The Conservative Party of Canada" or more colloquially "The assholes who somehow managed to win an election and try to claim divine mandate with less then 25% of voting Canadian behind them."

Re:Hmmm (1)

Beardo the Bearded (321478) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586866)

As a Canadian I can confirm that they are in fact called "The Conservative Party of Canada" or more colloquially "the fuckers."

FTFY. (I am also Canadian.) They got in riding the anti-gay-marriage ticket. The next two elections were done when the other parties were hurting, hoping that they'd win a majority. (Turnabout is fair play -- Cretin did this years ago.) No issues have been brought forward in any way that makes the citizens of this country go out and vote.

It pisses me off when they (and I mean any party) call us "voters", "constituents", or "taxpayers". We aren't any of those things. We're citizens, and they exist at our whim.

The problem we have is that not one party up here is worth voting for. Our choices are:
1. Sweatervest,
2. Clueless,
3. Dr. Moustachio,
4. La Wall Briq, and
5. Outcast.

None of these people deserve to run the country, and none of them have done a thing to impress the Canadian public.

Re:Hmmm (5, Insightful)

BlueStraggler (765543) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586464)

How else do you explain the politicians who self-identify as "conservative" who are so eager to expand the size and power of government?

That's an easy one. The core philosophy in conservatism is maintaining the existing power structures in society. The size of government is immaterial, and will be increased when necessary and decreased when unnecessary to the achievement of this aim. The existing power structure in the USA is based around the military industrial complex, which dictates big, big, big government (but which spends very little on actual social programs). The power structure in Canada is based around the resource economy, which dictates government small enough that the energy, mining, and forestry companies can override popular opposition. That pretty much explains everything you need to know about the differences between American and Canadian conservatives.

Re:Hmmm (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586518)

and decreased when unnecessary

They forgot that part. Perhaps that happens in Canada only. In the USA, I have never once witnessed a significant decrease of the size and power of the federal government during my entire lifetime. Ever. I have seen this on the state and local levels, but never on the federal level.

Re:Hmmm (2, Insightful)

eddy the lip (20794) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586588)

Succinct, cogent and accurate. Are you sure you're on the right site?

Re:Hmmm (1)

bbhack (98541) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586814)

... The existing power structure in the USA is based around the military industrial complex, which dictates big, big, big government (but which spends very little on actual social programs)....

Very little? The entitlement mentality will be the end of the US. What seems like a little only seems that way because there is never enough for those who want the fruits of someone else's labor.

Re:Hmmm (1)

bbhack (98541) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586836)

Words become corrupted, but concepts survive. We continue to use the old corrupted words until better ones come along.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586204)

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Social "conservatives" are anything but.

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586292)

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Conservative Party, the name of the current ruling party. So it means exactly what he thinks it means

Re:Hmmm (1)

compro01 (777531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586380)

Which word? Their legal name is the Conservative Party of Canada [conservative.ca] (or Parti conservateur du Canada).

Re:Hmmm (1)

uuddlrlrab (1617237) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586590)

Inconceivable!

Re:Hmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586498)

could not agree more ..

and ironic as steven harper big complaint was that john chretien was running the government out of the prime minister's office .. and that the liberals were not forth coming enough with information to the people ..

while the current consevative government is completely controlled out of the PM's office .. and are probably the most secretive government in canadian history ..

but it is just the old basic politrick bait and switch ..

and in harper's case we most often dislike in others what we most dislike about our selves ..

Offshore (1)

bbhack (98541) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585760)

Offshore your servers. Just for fun.

I call BS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585772)

There aren't 4,500 people in Canaduh that even have the internet. Let alone that many websites.

Happy Ending (1, Insightful)

Servaas (1050156) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585776)

So it does work out in the end? There is bound to be some high profile sites out there that got shutdown and will now switch to another provider that will shows some *sunglasses* backbone?

Re:Happy Ending (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585792)

YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Worth about as much (1)

Mikkeles (698461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585790)

Just goes to show you that our Bill of Rights is worth about as much as this [fotosearch.com] .

(Yeah, we're not much different in that from anywhere else; just in what's censored.)

Re:Worth about as much (2, Informative)

rickb928 (945187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586608)

I'm not sure Canada has a Bill of Rights. Here in the U.S., it's worth as much as you want it to be.

Remember, the three boxes.

What's up, eh? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585796)

What's this aboot Canada's environmental policy, eh? I heard it was pretty good, but then it turns out they must be dumping oil in the rivers and feeding toxic waste to seals.

Re:What's up, eh? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585858)

No, no, that's not it... they are dumping toxic waste in the rivers and feeding fish oil to seals.

Re:What's up, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585946)

No, no, that's not it... they are feeding fish oil to seals.

So what's the problem? Fish oil is organic and organic is doubleplus Good.

Re:What's up, eh? (1)

Dishevel (1105119) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586668)

Crude oil is also organic.

Re:What's up, eh? (1)

Gerafix (1028986) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585984)

No, no, see they're dumping seals into rivers and feeding oil to toxic waste.

Re:What's up, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586018)

this is the downside to the ban on clubbing

Issue an urgent appeal to President Obama!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585812)

He'll save you.

Invoking John Gilmore (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585816)

"The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it." [wikiquote.org] The solution is obvious: Move your servers to a more free-speech friendly country. When the US and Canada start to see that taking down sites at the drop of a hat is very harmful to their hosting businesses, then maybe they will do something about it.

Re:Invoking John Gilmore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585924)

You have nothing to worry about when a western democratic government's crackdown on free speech results in your entire subnet disappearing unless you're some kind of deviant criminal.

Re:Invoking John Gilmore (1)

uuddlrlrab (1617237) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586728)

I think your irony is a bit rusty.

Re:Invoking John Gilmore (2, Interesting)

cpghost (719344) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586832)

Move your servers to a more free-speech friendly country.

Yes... except that we are quickly running out of free-speech friendly countries (Canada was one of the most free). Soon we'll have to seriously think about putting pirate senders in orbit, just like the old off-shore pirate radio stations of the last century.

Conservatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585818)

Canada used to be free before the Conservatives

Re:Conservatives (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585926)

Maybe, but that doesn't mean the NDP or the Liberals aren't run by incompetent shit-for-brains. Don't even get me started on the "Green" party. The Bloc virtually doesn't exist outside of Quebec so they are a non-starter not to mention filled with loons.

Re:Conservatives (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586156)

Welcome to the club.

Downhill slide in gov'ts? (2, Interesting)

ilsaloving (1534307) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585846)

Between USA's Bush, Canada's Harper, and long string of other bozos in other countries governments, it seems like this past decade has been filled with myopic, self-centered, stupid (more than usual, anyway...) politicians. And it looks like the coming decade won't be any better.

My problem is that I can't tell if this is a new and disturbing trend, or if it was always this bad but the reporting just got more visible?

Re:Downhill slide in gov'ts? (1)

Archangel Michael (180766) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586058)

It isn't just Bush and Harper. It is most government officials. Just because you agree with the current (or do you?) administration (or opposition) doesn't mean they are any better. In fact, I would suggest that as stupid as you think Bush is, many people think the same thing of Reid, Pelosi and Obama.

They are all bozos. I actually think it is a requirement for the job, and reflection of the population.

Re:Downhill slide in gov'ts? (1)

Obsi (912791) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586184)

[This comment has been removed due to legal action from the Government of Canada]

Why don't you blame the people who are REALLY (2, Insightful)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586132)

Why don't you blame the people who are REALLY responsible? The voters.

As long as people vote for the guy who tells them they can keep their 2 suvs and that he will lower their taxes (never actually happened anywhere) you will get these kind of guys.

misleading (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585880)

How can you blame the Canadian government for the hosting provider incompetence? They sent the provider a letter with their grievance, the provider is the one responsible for following through without due process, a warrant and apparently then they screw it up?

Sounds like hosting provider fail to me and the yes men crying like little whiners.

Re:misleading (2, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585996)

The government never should have issued the letter in the first place.

Wussy provider or not, issuing a bogus takedown notice is a dick move by itself.

Re:misleading (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586254)

That isn't what I'm disputing.

Subject: Canadian censorship takes down 4500 sites

Actually, no, it wasn't Canadian censorship. Its a misleading and hyped up title that does little in way of giving credibility to the topic.

Uh, More Hoax? (5, Insightful)

TrebleJunkie (208060) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585886)

Uh, could the press release (from the Hoaxsters, no less) just be more of a Hoax?

Question (1)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585888)

Is it me or is the Global Elite just getting lazy?

At least for the last 120 years they put some effort into hiding the fact that we are in fact all powerless pesants under the heel of an elite in which the law only serves said elite. At least we had the illusion of "equality, the rule of law, and freedom."

I for one an dissapointed in my ruling shadow government and would like to formally request that a new shadow government that plans to treat me like a pesant, rise up, over throw the existing elite, and establish a new global elite that will at least TRY and hide the fact there is a global elite that owns us, does as they please, and mearly offer us the illusion that laws apply to everyone equally.

BOLSHIVIK !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585968)

Commie bastard!! Your mother wear combat boots and your father drown in vodka !! You have merry turnstil jimp today !!

Re:Question (1)

MarkvW (1037596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586674)

You are hilarious. If I'm living a peasant life, I wonder what kind of life those in 3rd world countries live!

Fat, happy peasants of the world UNITE! You have nothing to lose except your consumer goods!

Duh, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30585892)

ive always known those isps up in canadia dont no anything

Offshore your hosting and registration (2, Informative)

efalk (935211) | more than 4 years ago | (#30585958)

This happens all the time in the U.S. The government even shut down a Spanish travel agency that arranged tours to Cuba -- they were foolish enough to register their domain name here. http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/2008/03/dont-register-or-host-your-domain-in-us.html [blogspot.com]

Corporatism at its best (1)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586000)

So the Canadian government says "jump" and the ISPs ask "how high?" before any kind of due process.

Re:Corporatism at its best (2, Insightful)

Nos. (179609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586088)

I'd like a little more confirmation before I believe the Canadian Government issued a take down notice. At best, its an employee of the Government. I didn't see it mentioned anywhere that an elected official had any part in this.

Also, the ISP is in Germany. If an employee from some department in some other company sent me a take down notice, I doubt I'd jump. If this is being reported accurately (and I have some doubts), I'd have more questions for the ISP than I would for the Canadian Government. For example, why did taking down 2 sites interrupt service to 4500 other sites?

That being said, ec-gc.ca is close enough to ec.gc.ca to cause confusion to a casual surfer. I don't think they should be allowed to use it, but in that case, the trademark/copyright holder should go through CIRA.

Think hoax till proved otherwise. (5, Informative)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586016)

From Wikipedia re The Yes Men: "...they create and maintain fake websites similar to ones they want to spoof, and then they accept invitations received on their websites to appear at conferences, symposia, and TV shows".

I would be looking at this with tongue firmly in cheek.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_yes_men [wikipedia.org]

Re:Think hoax till proved otherwise. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586286)

with tongue firmly in cheek

That's what _she_ said...

Re:Think hoax till proved otherwise. (1)

derGoldstein (1494129) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586428)

From IMDB re Yes Man: "...A guy challenges himself to say "yes" to everything for an entire year".

I would be looking at this with tongue firmly in cheek.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1068680/ [imdb.com]

(yeah, that was the best I could come up with...)

Sux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586092)

The only thing Canada doesn't suck at is:

Views of Mountains
Drinking Age
Electronic Music propagation
Roaming Wildlife though city streets in Banff
Mostly cool citizens
oh and $9 packs of smokes (being an x-smoker I like that idea although mainly affected by currency trends not to deter smokers)

Wow! PR fail! (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586102)

This is exactly the sort of the The Yes Menthrive on. Nobody was looking at the parody websites. Now everyone knows Environment Canada has a poor policy.

The Yes Men's entire raisin d'etre is publicity. It would make sense for them to specifically choose ISPs that are willing to roll over easily.

Re:Wow! PR fail! (3, Informative)

Rary (566291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586424)

The Yes Men's entire raisin d'etre is publicity. It would make sense for them to specifically choose ISPs that are willing to roll over easily.

It would make even more sense for them to just release a hoax announcement claiming that the ISP shut down their parody websites, even though the websites are actually still [enviro-canada.ca] online [ec-gc.ca] .

Heinlein should be rolling over in his grave (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586126)

He loved casting the Canucks as free-spirited, tolerant, rigidly honest characters. Now they just seem as stupidly human as the rest of us.

Not to cross the streams here... (1)

Cheerio Boy (82178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586240)

...but this is one good reason why we need commercial space flight.

With commercial space flight you collect money to put a pre-built server into orbit and serve pages from there.

Now granted the bandwidth wouldn't be fast but for things like free speech related documents you really don't need speed just stable retention. You could still store video up there as well it would just be slow to get on and off the server obviously.

As long as the system had power and a good antenna the data could be available for anyone with a satellite dish to point at it. (Though you could probably find a comsat company that would accept money to rebroadcast the signal if you could afford that.)

Re:Not to cross the streams here... (1)

cpghost (719344) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586718)

You could still store video up there as well

What do we do when bandwidth is not enough? We outsource the data and post only magnet links. I could easily imagine a server in space continuously broadcasting nothing more than pages and pages full of magnet links.

Re:Not to cross the streams here... (1)

neo-mkrey (948389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586904)

And then the gov't calls you and says "It sure would be a shame if that nice shiny new satillite of yours were to 'accidentally' get hit by some flying space debris."

Question about jackbooted thugs (1, Funny)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586246)

Wouldn't the Canadian authorities really be lumberjackbooted? If so, do they have pointy high-heels? Those could really hurt!

The real problem with ths site (1)

arthurpaliden (939626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586324)

Was that they infringed on copyrights and tradmarks.

self-inflicted? (3, Interesting)

molecular (311632) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586404)

since the site seems to be fine from anywhere and a whole ip-segment was screwed, maybe these yes-men screwed up one of their own routers, suspected some conspiracy and then made up this story?

Only in America! (1, Funny)

GhostGuy (708750) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586410)

Wait, what? Oh fuck. Thanks, Canada, there goes my backup plan...

Fake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586492)

Shockingly the description is a bit off. They basically registered a domain very similar to the real domain with a very legitimate looking website to fool people into thinking it was the real thing. If they changed the domain name it would still be there. (which it seems to be anyway) No story.

Link works fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586496)

Tried opening it from work, and I work at a Canadian federal government office (not Environment Canada)

asked them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586524)

Since the sites in question seem fine, I posted a comment on their site http://theyesmen.org/canadareacts?nocache=1#comment-7088 [theyesmen.org] , which is now queued for moderator approval... how lame is that.

Government of Canada Web Sites Use CLF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586664)

If you visit any web site of the Government of Canada (GoC) there is a common look and feel (CLF) standard to which the web sites must comply for accessibility and other reasons. The two parody web sites in no way resemble nor utilize the GoC CLF and therefore could not possibly be mistaken for official government web sites.

Hmm.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30586766)

What were the other 4500 related websites?

I've Said It Before (0, Flamebait)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30586860)

The government of Canada has obviously gone stark raving mad. This disease appears to be an imitation of the Reagen-Bush mentality that pretty much destroyed the US.

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