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Apple Fails To Deliver On Windows 7 Boot Camp Promise

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the see-you-next-year dept.

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SkydiverFL writes "For those fans of Apple's Boot Camp package, it looks like you might be waiting on the next 'end of year' to use Windows 7 on your shiny silver boxes. Back in October of this year, Apple published a rather short, but affirmative promise stating quite simply that, 'Apple will support Microsoft Windows 7 (Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate) with Boot Camp in Mac OS X Snow Leopard before the end of the year. This support will require a software update to Boot Camp.' The support page has no updates regarding the new version. Maybe they're waiting for iSlate?"

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The Vista drivers work fine (4, Informative)

jonbryce (703250) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617066)

There is no need to wait. I installed Windows 7 bootcamp on the day it was released on Technet, and it worked fine with the Vista drivers.

Re:The Vista drivers work fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617516)

Yeah, this article threw me off, as I'm on a 27" iMac running Win7 right now... there are a few glitches from time to time, but all in all it works fine for everything I do, including gaming.

The one issue seems to be if I take my hand off the mouse for a minute or more, the computer drops the connection to the mouse and I have to give it a second to reconnect... very annoying when playing a shooter.

Re:The Vista drivers work fine (1)

joocemann (1273720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617952)

There is no need to wait. I installed Windows 7 bootcamp on the day it was released on Technet, and it worked fine with the Vista drivers.

This is what I would assume since they are not using unique hardware anymore.

Re:The Vista drivers work fine (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618234)

Same here. I have Leopard and Win 7 64 bit on my macbook pro (Santa Rosa). Works perfectly.

Virtualbox (1, Troll)

martalli (818692) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617068)

Who cares about dual booting when you can run win 7 in virtualbox?

Re:Virtualbox (-1, Flamebait)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617200)

Resizing partitions and booting multiple operating systems are not new concepts, only Apple users would think a Big Fucking Deal(tm).

"Fuck Yeah! I'm running Windows on a Mac! That's what 'virtualization', is all about, baby!"

-- poor, confused Mac fanboy

Don't see any Linux vendors bragging about what a big extra "feature" GRUB is, and it does the same thing. Often more transparently.

Re:Virtualbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617250)

GRUB doesn't provide Windows drivers.

Re:Virtualbox (0, Flamebait)

peragrin (659227) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617286)

However windows users don't know what an MBR is or a bootloader.

Linux guys are used to having to hack their way to a desktop windows users just what to get to the place with all those icon thingies.

Re:Virtualbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617342)

Windows users aren't nearly as smug in their ignorance as Mac users are.

Re:Virtualbox (3, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617504)

Don't see any Linux vendors bragging about what a big extra "feature" GRUB is, and it does the same thing. Often more transparently.

Really? I admit I haven't used GRUB for a couple of years and it may have improved since I last did, but I don't remember it letting me pop in a Windows CD, helping me resize my existing partitions, then installing Windows and setting up the correct third-party drivers for my hardware. Does it really do all of that now?

Re:Virtualbox (1)

ppc_digger (961188) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618178)

You forget the most important part of Boot Camp: the BIOS emulation layer that allows Windows to boot.

Macs could dual-boot long before Boot Camp came along.

Re:Virtualbox (4, Insightful)

BrentH (1154987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617352)

Graphic cards arent virtualized. So if you want games, you gotta go to the Bootcamp!

Re:Virtualbox (4, Informative)

binarylarry (1338699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617498)

Not entirely correct.

Virtualizing the graphics card already has support for all the major VMs (VirtualBox, VMWare, Parallels, etc) and it's being actively worked on with support from the big GPU ISVs.

Re:Virtualbox (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617536)

Yes they are. VirtualBox has supported accelerated OpenGL in guests for ages and accelerated Direct3D for about a year. It's (obviously) not as fast as native, but it does work (apparently - I only use VirtualBox for running FreeBSD).

That's funny... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617078)

My macbook aluminum (5.1) has never had any problem with boot camping windows 7.

Has anyone had driver issues with their windows 7 bootcamp?

Re:That's funny... (1)

DJRumpy (1345787) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617408)

There are video driver issues with the 27" iMac. People get a black screen after it tries to use the stock ATI drivers. The workaround is to either use NTFS-3G to delete the %windir%\system32\drivers\ATI*.SYS files and reboot, or just boot into a safe mode command prompt and do it. Once your on the desktop, you can install ATI's drivers without issue.

There are also Magic Mouse driver issues (read: no driver). Although many people can get them working with old driver packages, they tend to be jerky, unusable, or just plain borked.

Why bother? (3, Insightful)

moderators_are_w*nke (571920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617080)

If you wanted a Windows laptop why would you pay all that money?

Re:Why bother? (1)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617094)

Really good support. Like crazy good support.

Re:Why bother? (2, Informative)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617652)

No, that's what you would buy a Vaio for. My screen developed some (50+ in a cluster) dead pixels three months after I bought my laptop, and Sony had someone meet me at work and replace it three days later.

Re:Why bother? (1)

Ferzerp (83619) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618114)

3 days? That's not good service. Good service on a laptop is next day on-site repair.

Re:Why bother? (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618186)

Really good support. Like crazy good support.

How can I get next-day onsite support from Apple?

Re:Why bother? (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617100)

Because some people have applications that need Windows to run for work, school, home, etc. that don't run nicely in VirtualBox.

Re:Why bother? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617144)

Then they should stop being smug and buy the real thing, which, apparently, they actually need.

Re:Why bother? (4, Informative)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617172)

PC World's fastest Windows laptop in 2007 was a MacBook Pro [pcworld.com]

Re:Why bother? (3, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617464)

WTF? It's like saying somebody should buy an F1 car just because it's fastest, while they actually need something which does not cost them their house and children, not require special fuel and can run on ordinary road. Way to go on a tangent!

Re:Why bother? (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617186)

Except they like to use OS X. Just like how I have Ubuntu installed for when I'm at home or just browsing, and Windows installed for work. Myself, I can't stand using Windows any more than I need to, but the program I could never get to run correctly on WINE and it runs too slowly on VirtualBox to be useful.

Re:Why bother? (1)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617246)

Because some people have applications that need Windows to run for work, school, home, etc. that don't run nicely in VirtualBox.

And not on Parallels Workstation or VMWare Fusion either, presumably.

Re:Why bother? (-1, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617398)

"Because some people have applications that need Windows to run for work, school, home, etc. that don't run nicely in VirtualBox."

Name one. I bet you can't. Windows runs on VirtualBox and simply thinks it is running on different hardware than it is actually running on. What the hell kind of applications can't run on Windows just because the hardware is different?

Re:Why bother? (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617428)

VirtualBox is slow at doing 3D acceleration. Therefore, AutoCAD runs pretty slow when working with lots of 3D objects.

Not only that, but games run slow too.

A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice" (-1, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617490)

So what you meant was that some people might want the added speed benefits of running on bare metal rather than virtualizing. That is quite a bit different than saying they "don't run nicely". If you need AutoCAD for work and they don't provide a dedicated workstation then you have bigger problems than getting Windows 7 to work on your personal computer. If you need it for school then you aren't doing that kind of advanced 3D stuff. Still, your point is well taken, once paraphrased properly, that VirtualBox takes a performance hit and there are times when someone might want that.

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617648)

By your logic I don't need a decent CPU or RAM because Windows XP will run on 64 MB of memory and a 233 MHZ x86 CPU.

Things that run decently and don't have minute-long lag is a need.

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (-1, Flamebait)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617692)

I already get that you don't understand the difference between a want and a need. You didn't need to reiterate your lack of understanding. Try to resist the urge to reply to me the next time you want to, OK. Now off you go ...

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617660)

Do you take arsehole pills or arsehole lessons?

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617666)

Running slow actually is "not running nicely".

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (-1, Troll)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617890)

I think you misunderstood what the driver of the short bus meant when she told you that you weren't thinking nicely Jim.

Re:A want is not a need, and slow is not "not nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617850)

nevermind that virtualized directx is like, dx9c, and not complete, and fail, and is slow
just stfu already with ur bold and italic to justify BOGUS argumentation.

Why do you eschew choice? (4, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617194)

If you buy a Mac Laptop, you can run Windows, Linux or OS X, all fully supported.

If you buy a Windows laptop, you can't officially run OS X - and of course it comes pre-loaded with Windows, not OS X.

Considering you also get better quality hardware, it seems reasonable to pay a little more for more choice.

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (1, Insightful)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617434)

A lot of people would say that 'better quality hardware' is debatable.

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (3, Informative)

zblack_eagle (971870) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618170)

While I consider my aluminium macbook to be of excellent design and hardware quality, the first generation macbook that I had before this was absolutely atrocious. Random reboots, dying batteries, malfunctioning chargers, wireless that wouldn't connect under bootcamp and an optical drive that required prying a second disc half way in to be able to eject the first disc.

On the topic of the article, Vista drivers work fine, but one thing I did not appreciate was having to (though easily) find a work around to Apple's arbitrary restriction on limiting the installation of x64 drivers to the macbook pros. Not sure what the stupid rationale would've been for that as the drivers work fine and nobody would've chosen to buy a macbook pro just to run Windows x64

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (2, Informative)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618198)

Speaking as a former repair tech that still gets the 'honor' of fixing other people's broken new-model macbooks, I'll just say "Look at the actual board vendors." Apple hasn't realy "MADE" their own hardware in years. They just say what hardware they want and let the board makers pack it on and make it work.

Fuck that noise, you're better off trying to piece your own system together. In fact, many companies exist to do just that for you, nowdays, with discrete powerful MXM graphics that you can upgrade. Barebones laptops FTW. And you'll still get a comparable system for about 1/3 as much.

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (1)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617696)

I don't eschew choice; I eschew carrying around a small box with a large price tag and a conspicuous "steal me" icon on the lid.

I also eschew the anemic power of laptops compared to desktops (where's my quad core already?) and so long as I'm compromising, I might as well save some money in the process.

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617830)

You can get a quad core laptop, but only in a 18" (or maybe 17" by now.) And the battery life is only alleged to be a little over two hours, which is marketdroid speak for a little under two hours, or not long enough to watch a fucking movie. Still, you can get such a thing... just not from apple :)

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30618204)

I don't eschew choice; I eschew carrying around a small box with a large price tag and a conspicuous "steal me" icon on the lid.

I also eschew the anemic power of laptops compared to desktops (where's my quad core already?) and so long as I'm compromising, I might as well save some money in the process.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834146613&Tpk=lenovo%20i7

No compromise needed. Better graphics than a Mac Book Pro, half the price, and quad core, with 8 virtual cores (i7).
$999 for a Geforce 240 i7 laptop ain't bad. I have one next to my quad core triple display desktop :)

Re:Why do you eschew choice? (2, Informative)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617878)

Agree. I'm thinking of getting a Macbook Pro, and it's tempting just to run it Windows 7 only. OS X really doesn't have any advantages over Win 7 that I can think of - especially since my friends who own Mac's are always trying to find scripts and programs to download to get OS X to have features that Windows has had for forever (hibernate, keyboard shortcut to lock the screen, things like that).

Umm... (4, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617086)

Um, I was under the impression that it was trivial to install Windows 7 on a Mac even without official boot camp support (per http://www.simplehelp.net/2009/01/15/using-boot-camp-to-install-windows-7-on-your-mac-the-complete-walkthrough/ [simplehelp.net] ) whats the difference between the tutorial and what you would do normally?

Re:Umm... (1)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617128)

Higher quality drivers for video, touchpad (on laptops) support, Eye Sight etc. That's really what Bootcamp offers are the drivers that lets you get full mileage out of the Mac hardware in the context of Windows.

Re:Umm... (1)

Psyborgue (699890) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618250)

The highest quality video drivers are direct from Nvidia, who now provide notebook drivers. The existing vista drivers cover the rest.

Re:Umm... (-1, Troll)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618224)

Yeah, try finding a Mac user who ever looked behind the shiny surface of his protective retard padded system enough, to even remotely understand what that article means. ;))

Oh boy... prepare the fanboi pink dabber bombardement storm... ^^ *prepares heavy vulkan gatling gun*

i just posted this comment on my 27" imac (4, Informative)

rizawbone (577492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617102)

running windows 7. what's the issue? everything works great.

Re:i just posted this comment on my 27" imac (1)

tonycheese (921278) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617392)

The issue, I would guess, is that while you managed to get it to run well, there's a decent percentage of macs with hardware that won't work perfectly with Windows 7. Apple not giving official support of Windows 7 means most users probably won't try to install it. If they do try to install it and run into a problem somewhere down the line, Apple tech support will most likely refuse to help since the feature isn't supported yet.

Re:i just posted this comment on my 27" imac (1)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617684)

If it supports Vista, it supports Windows 7. The drivers are the same.

i just posted this on my $600 quad core hackintosh (1, Informative)

StikyPad (445176) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617414)

running snow leopard, debian, and win7. what's the issue? everything works great.

Re:i just posted this comment on my 27" imac (1)

Zero__Kelvin (151819) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617416)

"Apple will support Microsoft Windows 7 (Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate) with Boot Camp in Mac OS X Snow Leopard before the end of the year. This support will require a software update to Boot Camp. - [emphasis added]"

Apple doesn't say you can't run it now, only that they don't yet support it.

Re:i just posted this comment on my 27" imac (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617472)

running windows 7. what's the issue? everything just works.

Works fine on a Mac Pro (2, Interesting)

DigitalGodBoy (142596) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617112)

I had the RTM installed on a first-gen Mac Pro and everything worked out of the box. Sure the Apple drivers put a startup disk selector in, and fix the clock sync issue but driver-wise what's the point?

jesus christ (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617114)

Jesus Christ, people. It's only the first! Give them a few days before you start your cries of "But they said the end of the year!!!" Or would you like to be the employee stuck working through New Year's Eve and New Year's day to get the update out to a bunch of people who likely won't care if it's a few days late?

Re:jesus christ (3, Insightful)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617198)

It's still not out by when they promised. That's all there is to it. Sure, give the employees time off. They still didn't do the job.

Apple haters... (5, Funny)

TimHunter (174406) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617118)

...line up here on the left. No need to crowd, there'll be plenty of room for everybody. This is Slashdot, so remember the rules. Only fags and hipsters use Macs. "Fanboys" is spelled "fanbois." Macs are expensive, shiny and there aren't any games worth playing.

Use the Preview button!

Re:Apple haters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617478)

...line up here on the left. No need to crowd, there'll be plenty of room for everybody. This is Slashdot, so remember the rules. Only fags and hipsters use Macs. "Fanboys" is spelled "fanbois." Macs are expensive, shiny and there aren't any games worth playing.

Use the Preview button!

bang on buddy, apple's used to serve a purpose.

Re:Apple haters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617914)

OK. There's a huge disparity in comment quality here. Slashdot is mostly Linux and Windows developers/sysadmins arguing with each other, and then you have this contingent of graphic designers who read Mac blogs all day and therefore think they can hang with the big boys.

they didn't fix it! (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617130)

oh wait, it wasn't broken, was it?

drat. can't bash. lets post to slashdot anyway!

Not trolling but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617214)

Why bother? Windows 7 is supposed to be better but I just went through living Hell with my Vista running notebook over the holiday. A forced update screwed up my wireless internet and I had endless problems doing basic things. I finally decided to throw in the towel and use Mac exclusively for all my personal computer use. I've got Vista on two computers, one an expensive desktop, and they are both crap. My Macs run flawlessly. Once again I know they are talking Windows 7 but it seems to only be marginally better. I find it increasingly difficult to play any form of media on a Windows machine and the once elegant file system is now a mess worse than Mac's. I'm not normally a big fan of Apple or Macs but Microsoft has turned me into a believer. I get prompted for upgrades on my Mac maybe once a week where as it's nearly a daily happening with the PCs, not always Windows but some bloody software needs a security update on the Windows machines all the time. Oddly enough third party updates are rare on the Macs. Call the next comment a troll but I'm serious, don't waste the hard drive space on your Mac and just learn to love the Mac. My notebook has been reduced to playing DVDs and half the time when I leave it for a while and it forces me to log in again it crashes the player and I have to reboot it. It's never happened on any of my Macs. Pretty sad when it can't even reliably handle playing DVDs and 90% of the video clips I find on the web won't play on any Windows machine I have. Oddly enough virtually all the clips will play on my Macs.

Bootcamp a gimmick (4, Interesting)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617222)

I always saw bootcamp as a gimmick to encourage MS Windows users to switch to Apple Hardware. If one buys a mac, and really can't stand OS X, one can always go back to MS Windows. Or if MS Windows must be run occasionally, then Bootcamp is an effective way to do so.

While it is valid to complain that Apple missed a deadline, I am kind of surprised that Apple even made the effort to create a deadline. I cannot imagine people paying Apple prices to run MS Windows on an exclusive basis. I can imagine them paying such prices to run virtual machines with other OS.

I would rather see Apple point customers toward Parallels or Fusion rather than working on trying to get MS Windows to work as the base OS. What would be even more cool is a kernal that could then be used to run any number of OS in virtual mode.

Re:Bootcamp a gimmick (5, Interesting)

stokessd (89903) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617310)

I always saw bootcamp as a gimmick to encourage MS Windows users to switch to Apple Hardware. If one buys a mac, and really can't stand OS X, one can always go back to MS Windows. Or if MS Windows must be run occasionally, then Bootcamp is an effective way to do so.

I use BootCamp for playing games (I still play a lot of UT2004) and for doing CAD (Autodesk Inventor and PCB design). All those really benefit from direct booting into windows. Plus the fascist copy protection in the CAD programs makes it difficult to run in parallels. I do use parallels for light CAD work and such, and I just boot from the BootCamp partition using parallels. IT's the best of both worlds.

I need windows around to do things like PCB design, because there are no viable Mac alternatives. There is a lot of scientific packages are just plain don't exist on the Mac. With the Mac I have OS X for my daily stuff and much of my engineering design work, and occasionally use Windows for the few things I can't do on the mac. All on one quiet machine.

Windows 7 works fine on my mid 2009 17" MBP using the vista drivers. I run XP though, as I don't need or want the extra features of "7" and the smaller footprint of XP makes it nicer for my needs.

Sheldon

Re:Bootcamp a gimmick (2, Funny)

Lemmy Caution (8378) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617384)

Games games game games games. Games, games game games. Games = games. Game games; games, games games games, games and games. Games? Games!

Games.

Re:Bootcamp a gimmick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617848)

PC Gaming? Hahahaha

Get a console cheapass and start playing REAL games

Re:Bootcamp a gimmick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30618142)

Yeah, I know, games. Yet I somehow run Autodesk software in a virtual machine. Go figure. Ok, so maybe boot camp is important for those who aren't getting any loving.

Lost a little of my soul, but no other issues (5, Interesting)

RunzWithScissors (567704) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617226)

Oddly, Windows 7 works just fine on my MacBook Pro 15".

There was a Firmware update about 2 weeks ago, which may have been what we were waiting for; but I had no problems with it when I installed it today.

-Runz

Re:Lost a little of my soul, but no other issues (2, Interesting)

ekgringo (693136) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617370)

I have been successfully running 64-bit Windows 7 on my late 2008 15" MacBook Pro since RC2 came out, using Vista drivers. I don't think I can switch between the two video cards and I wish I could adjust the sensitivity of the multi-touch trackpad, but everything works fine for the most part. Hell, it runs games almost as well as my home-built gaming PC.

Bootcamp and windows 7 working for me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617290)

I'm confused. I have windows 7 installed in my macbook pro using bootcamp.

Apple Specific Drivers (3, Informative)

WarpedCore (1255156) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617296)

From what I heard, OS X uses certain low level functions that control processor speed/voltage within the OS itself versus what conventionally would be done through a BIOS on a normal PC. Apple uses EFI... I know that. Just reading about some of the "dangers" if using a Mac to run Linux... main reason being, you have a likeliness of damaging the CPU if all you run are intensive tasks under Linux. Apple wrote drivers that deal with this stuff under Windows. All in all, Vista drivers will work fine... but I'm just picky about "official bootcamp support" even if it is a gimmick. Apple wouldn't be putting an ounce of elbow grease into it unless there was something important they were writing into it to ensure a smooth experience.

Re:Apple Specific Drivers (3, Informative)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617844)

Windows 7 supports EFI natively. You apparently do need Apple drivers to use the internal keyboard and trackpad on laptops, though.

Regarding power management, AFAIK, the worst case scenario would be if the SMC drivers didn't load, in which case after the SMC's watchdog timer fires, the SMC should bring all the fans up to full blast. You're not going to overheat the CPU by failing to load the drivers. You can verify this if you'd like. With your computer idle, unload the fan control KEXT. Thirty seconds or a minute later, the fans should ramp up. When you reload the KEXT, they should spin immediately back down to what you'd expect with the machine idle. At least this is what happens in the G5 towers. I'm assuming the Intel laptops behave the same way.

CPU power management is handled by the CPU, not by any special bits in the chipset, AFAIK, so that should be unaffected no matter what. And the hardware is designed to protect against getting too hot, so at some point, the CPU starts putting itself to sleep to keep the temperature within bounds, and if even that isn't enough, the computer shuts down. AFAIK, most of that happens in hardware, so even a really broken OS shouldn't be able to damage hardware. At the very least, it's pretty unlikely.

HUH??? (1)

Schnoogs (1087081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617354)

I installed Windows 7 on my Mac Pro the day it showed up on MSDN.

Re:HUH??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617502)

Well, I installed it the day it showed up on TPB and I've had no problems.

It works fine for me (1)

Nimey (114278) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617432)

I've been running Win7 64-bit Enterprise on my work Macbook 2,1 since August or September. Had to fiddle with it since this machine isn't supported for 64-bit environments, but it worked.

BZZZZT (1, Interesting)

Azureflare (645778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617466)

Sorry, this story is just plain wrong. Windows 7 works fine under the existing bootcamp. Macs are just glorified Intel machines after all. As long as you expose the bios interface that allows windows xp/vista to run, windows 7 will run fine too.

Sure, there may be a grain of truth in the article. Windows 7 is not "officially" supported by Apple. Neither is linux, and that runs fine on Macs too!

/. jumping the gun (1)

SimonTheSoundMan (1012395) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617468)

Back in October of this year, Apple published a rather short, but affirmative promise stating quite simply that, 'Apple will support Microsoft Windows 7 (Home Premium, Professional, and Ultimate) with Boot Camp in Mac OS X Snow Leopard before the end of the year [CC].

Hang on, it's January.

Its Very Doable now (4, Informative)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617606)

Here is some info not provided in the rest of the 'I'm posting from Win7" posts here is some helpful information.

First, the Snow Leopard DVD includes boot camp 3.0, which VASTLY improves the use of the touchpad under Windows XP or Vista. It also mostly works under Windows 7.

If you don't have a Snow Leopard DVD, here is a link to the drivers on TPB:

http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5054638/Bootcamp_Driver_3.0_for_Windows_32bit__amp__64bit_%28from_Snow_Leopard

After installing this updating the sound drivers and video drivers would be advisable since the ones that come in boot camp suck and/or cause crashes.

http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us for video drivers. Select windows-7 then 32 or 64 bit depending on which you've chosen.
ac
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=14&PFid=24&Level=4&Conn=3&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false

After this it should be reasonably stable.

Bootcamp drivers aren't adequate for all systems (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617754)

Some Apple Fanboys are long on BS and short on facts. The "mine works, what's the problem" comments bear witness to the lack of even the most simple research before posting. The mid-2009 MacBook Pro's have a different manufacturer's audio system than earlier MBP's and quite simply, there are problems in Win7. The built-in microphone doesn't work and the audio output volume is too low to be really useable. Someone has created a workaround for the audio out, but not the mic-in. There are other problems, too, but the facts are obviously not too important for the "mine works" folks. Apple sells their systems with Bootcamp as a selling point, then gives a promised date for the drivers, and then doesn't deliver. There has never been an OS in the hands of more people in beta form than Win7. Apple has had over a year to get this addressed. We know why they haven't and it is very small-minded of them. They seem to be having increasing problems with dates. quality, and credibility. This doesn't bode well for the future. The MBP's are reallly nice machines and still a good value for the money when compared with Windows-only laptops, but they would be better if Apple would fulfill their commitments to their customers. Some of us care about things like that.

No issues here (1)

theheff (894014) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617768)

I've really had no problems on the latest model unibody 15" MBP. I've been running the Windows 7 x64 RTM since it was released. I think the best features added from the actual bootcamp installation are the keyboard/trackpad functions, HFS+ drivers, and backlit keyboard. Drivers aren't really an issue...

Wait, (3, Interesting)

Movi (1005625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30617784)

So, the version i am running from Snow Leopard, that says "compatible with Windows 7" right there on the setup screen is actually NOT compatible with windows 7.

FTFA:

You cannot run your Mac applications simultaneously

No one notified me of this! Ive been running it like that since I installed it!

You cannot safely resize the Mac or Windows partitions

Got me again! Next time i'll try it, i'll make sure to do it as unsafely as i can.

You cannot easily transfer files between the two partitions (without third-party support)

I'll stop using the hfs driver in boot camp right away (once i learn to disable it. Damn apple making stuff just work).

Seriously, anyone reading CNet for legitimate stories should have his head checked.

why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30617934)

why pay premium for apple and then just put windows on anyway?

OSX runs windows, Pystar runs OSX. (0, Troll)

tevita (110787) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618072)

How does Apple do this, then leap all over Pystar? Am I missing some hypocritical anomaly?

Re:OSX runs windows, Pystar runs OSX. (1)

Duradin (1261418) | more than 4 years ago | (#30618236)

Perhaps if Microsoft required Microsoft brand hardware to legally run Windows and Microsoft actually made computers you might have some sort of point.

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