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China Arrests Thousands In Internet Porn Crackdown

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the that-fourth-party-crap-doesn't-sound-so-bad-anymore dept.

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Clandestine_Blaze writes "Chinese police have arrested 5,394 people — with another 4,186 criminal cases in the works — in one of the largest crackdowns on Internet porn in the country. Even more arrests are expected in 2010, according to the Ministry of Public Security's website (In Chinese or Google translated into English). According to the Reuters article on the crackdown, one of the justifications was that the pornography was 'threatening the emotional health of children.' From the English translation of the Ministry of Public Security's website linked above, it appears that certain provinces are also offering 1,000 yuan and 2,000 yuan rewards, per person, for reporting illegal websites to the government."

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I'm ever so thankful (4, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30620982)

God bless the USA.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (5, Informative)

Entropy98 (1340659) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621022)

Um... you can still go to jail for porn in the USA [reason.com]

This sound you hear.... (1, Funny)

DrYak (748999) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621236)

Um... you can still go to jail for porn in the USA [reason.com]

Um... sorry, does anyone know how to spell "Whooosh!" in Chinese ?

Re:This sound you hear.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621728)

Totally inappropriate use of the "whoosh". That was a completely appropriate and insightful post in the given context. "Whoosh" implies the poster did not "get it".

Oh wait a second...

Re:I'm ever so thankful (4, Interesting)

OrangeTide (124937) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621076)

when I heard about this the first thought in my head was, USA and China are so alike, it seems odd that they can't get along.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621084)

God bless USA for porn? You're probably one of those ugly, fat virgin FreeBSD users who has to rely on porn [wordpress.com] for sexual satisfaction.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (5, Informative)

gzipped_tar (1151931) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621150)

"Most people are fools, most authority is malignant, God does not exist, and everything is wrong. "

Re:I'm ever so thankful (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621466)

If God (the moral agent) does not exist, then there is no concept of "wrong", right? We are all just random atoms floating around.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (3, Funny)

pieszynski (625166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621778)

oh come on, "we only have morality because of god"?

Really?? REALLY??

My incredulity is matched only by my overuse of the question mark.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (1)

MrMr (219533) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621748)

Could I metamoderate the moderators who moderated this as informative 'Funny'?

Re:I'm ever so thankful (1, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621244)

Your country has its own equally insane legal idiocies. Go count how many people you imprison for possession of marijuana.

Re:I'm ever so thankful (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621272)

At least there is HOPE that marijuana laws will CHANGE in the US. Some states are already setting precedents. We just need to get the damned Federal government out of it!

Re:I'm ever so thankful (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621478)

How about the slashdot article the other day where people were critical of the H1B program, so their sites were shutdown?

Seems censorship is alive in the "USA" as well?

Re:I'm ever so thankful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621504)

But, they might be right about that. Have you considered their view point or just your own? For someone who supports such a libertarian society you don't seem to give a damn about others opinions ...

I don't understand (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621010)

What is this strange concept, the Internet without porn? Maybe the meaning of "the Internet" was lost in translation for the Chinese.

Re:I don't understand (5, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621268)

As the wise Dr. Cox once said: “I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called ‘Bring back the porn’.”

Re:I don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621672)

As the wise Dr. Cocks once said: “I am fairly sure that if they took porn off the Internet, there would only be one website left, and it would be called ‘Bring back the porn’.”

There, fixed that for you.

Re:I don't understand (3, Funny)

Xaduurv (1685700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621294)

But porn is the major driving force behind every technological breakthrough! From bluray to holes in wooden fences!

I don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621490)

ASCII was created for Internet porn because EBCDIC was too suggestive, right?

1000 Yuan (4, Informative)

mjihad (686196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621016)

Since the the summary didn't mention it, 1000 yuan is about $146.50 [google.com] .

Re:1000 Yuan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621078)

Since your post didn't mention it, $146.50 is about 102.28 Euro [google.com] .

Re:1000 Yuan (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621240)

Since your post didn't mention it, 102.28 Euro is about 1,506,305,441,321 Zimbabwean dollars.

1,506,305,441,321,301 Zimbabwean dollars.

1,506,305,441,321,301,998 Zimbabwean dollars.

Crap...

Re:1000 Yuan (2, Interesting)

The Evil Couch (621105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621174)

The direct exchange rate is not nearly as interesting as actual buying power that reward represents to the average person in China. I haven't studied economics, so someone can totally call me out on this, but it looks like purchasing power of the US is roughly eight times that of China, according to the Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] . Based on this slightly-informed conclusion, it appears that the reward is roughly 1,172 USD, 1,233 CAD, 725 GBP, or 818 EUR. That number seems much more persuasive.

Re:1000 Yuan (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621438)

it appears that the reward is roughly 1,172 USD, 1,233 CAD, 725 GBP, or 818 EUR. That number seems much more persuasive.

Is that a typo? Do you mean renminbi? Or something else? I can't figure out what word you could have meant when you wrote "reward."

Maybe you are talking about something like the Big Mac Index? [wikipedia.org]

Re:1000 Yuan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621674)

Read the summary to see the reward he's talking about.

Re:1000 Yuan (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621754)

Thanks. That makes sense. Sort, of. His numbers are totally off though. Anyone who has been to HK or any other big city in China knows 1 yuan is not worth even close to 1 dollar in terms of what you can buy.

Re:1000 Yuan (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621746)

You don't know what a reward is? Get a dictionery, you dumb fuck.

Re:1000 Yuan (1)

XorNand (517466) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621198)

Yeah but the average Chinese is poorer than the average American. 1000 yuan is like the US government giving a citizen about $1100 for turning someone in.

China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Interesting)

Zombie Ryushu (803103) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621026)

China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. There may be an entity called the Communist Party of China, but by no means is China Leftist, or even Socialist. They are a Fascist Autocracy.

No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)

Not that I am advocating Communism, which has failed everywhere it has been tried, and is an unworkable ideology, but as a leftist, who is deeply concerned about the rise of Right Wing Fascism around the world, I am concerned what this could cause Western governments to adopt. We have already seen that a large percentage of our Christian Right extremists in the USA and Canada do not believe in sexual equality or egalitarianism, or freedom of speech. I worry this will give them ideas.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621048)

"No liberal or leftist government would attack the consumption of adult pornography. (Nor would they even care.)"

Socialist crackpots have defined socialism and communism as good, hence by definition nothing bad is part of it.

If a state does bad things, the state is not a socialist state, hence it cannot be used as a negative example for any purpose in discussions about socialism.

If a person does bad things, the person is not a socialist, hence he cannot be used as a negative example for any purpose in discussions about socialism.

If a society has bad things in it, none of these bad things accrue to socialism. In fact, pointing out this fact is so important that if a guy sits at home in a socialist state and tells his children that socialism is bad, then this must be sought out and eradicated. Untruths about socialism cannot be accepted even in the most private corners. (Cue Norway, where the Socialist Left party announced that the state is better than parents at raising children most of the time).

Maybe someone has drunk too much of the totalitarian-perfectionist idiot brew.

On the other hand... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621330)

Socialist crackpots have defined socialism and communism as good, hence by definition nothing bad is part of it.

If a state does bad things, the state is not a socialist state, hence it cannot be used as a negative example for any purpose in discussions about socialism.

Similarly, capitalist crackpots have defined the free market as good, hence by definition nothing bad is part of it.

If a market produces bad outcomes, that market is not a free market, hence it cannot be used as a negative example for any purpose in discussions about capitalism.

Untruths about socialism cannot be accepted even in the most private corners. (Cue Norway, where the Socialist Left party announced that the state is better than parents at raising children most of the time).

Similarly, untruths about capitalism cannot be accepted even in the most private corners. (Cue the United States, where the Republican Party regularly announces that the individual is better than the state at doing everything all the time.)

MOD PARENT UP (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621560)

Libertarian crackpots are just as guilty. Whoever modded the parent down was probably one of them!

Ask them why the USA's free market in health insurance sucks so much and they'll say "it's just not free ENOUGH". Even though every country with health insurance that WORKS has way MORE government involvement.

It is ironic that the parent was modded troll (1, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621616)

whereas its parent, which is a comment that stands exactly on the same distance to the right of the spectrum, is modded insightful.

since both comments employ the same approaches but from the other side, this only implies that the moron who used the mod point on the parent has modded it down with political bias. appalling to see such low quality brains exist among us.

Insightful? what? (4, Insightful)

bussdriver (620565) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621472)

So now we define words based on what the crackpots think they mean?

Parent is using a straw man fallacy: setting up a false premise that is easy to knock down with the subsequent argument; banking on others to accept the false premise.

Patriotism and Nationalism (2 different things) often suffer from attempted hijacking by crackpots seeking to redefine them.
For example, in the USA socialism has been misunderstood for over a generation and the crackpot definition is currently mainstream. "Keep the government out of my medicare!" etc.

Besides, this left/right paradigm is for simpletons and the poor reasoning that results aids the political parties. So, the misunderstanding is perpetuated. In addition, many people are willfully ignorant when it comes to politics (there is no stigma of shame like there is with illiteracy.) A far more realistic model is TWO DIMENSIONAL: left/right + top/bottom. Check it out: http://politicalcompass.org/ [politicalcompass.org]

I reiterate:
So now we define words based on what the crackpots think they mean?

Re:Insightful? what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621658)

So now we define words based on what the crackpots think they mean?

No, we reject and ridicule the definitions of crackpots, of which there are many. Please write a good one if you can.

Parent is using a straw man fallacy: setting up a false premise that is easy to knock down with the subsequent argument; banking on others to accept the false premise.

It is not entirely clear which premise you think you are referring to. Is it that GP is an idiot? That socialists generally are totalitarian-perfectionist? That socialists generally define socialism as 'anything good'?

If it is the latter - this is an extremely common occurence, and an extremely common tendency amongst socialists, to claim that any given problem would not exist in a socialist/marxist state. This is because socialism to them represents an utopian dream, and in an utopia there are no problems, hence problems must be hand-waved away. Even Marx hand-waved idiotically away a human tendency to desire material wealth, by stating that people brought up under Communist principles would cease to desire material goods, thereby wizarding away the eternally recurring source of tension that happens when people see things they are unable to appropriate for themselves. The concept of "re-education" has been central to every communist state in history, and there is a good reason for that.

Of course, that this utopist view is common amongst socialists is just my claim, and you can easily state that you disagree. The litmus test is for every reader to challenge socialists, by asking them: "Which problems would there be in a socialist and a communist society that will always lead to unhappiness?" Because utopian crackpottery and idiocy is endemic in the ranks of socialists, the only things they will be able to say are things like "illness which the greatly increased rate of research has been yet unable to eradicate" and "love". Economic problems? Corruption? Will never be mentioned.

This is very much unlike capitalists, where the vast majority of adherents are still able to enunciate problems that exist in a model capitalist society. Sometimes I feel bad that they are, because it just shows that socialists have been too culturally powerful to have their endemic idiocy forcibly eradicated through ridicule and harassment, as capitalists have.

All of this is being very flexible about what socialism really involves, which to Marx and a number of thinkers was simply an in-step stage on the steady way to Communism, but have to others taken on a meaning on its own (which still looks very much like communism, and in my view is simply a mental defense to preserve the utopist dream versus the painful backdrop of the Soviet).

"Besides, this left/right paradigm is for simpletons and the poor reasoning that results aids the political parties."

The political compass is better, but not exactly realistic. What about activists who view themselves as fighting against opposite-sided authoritarianism in favour of their-sided liberalism, but with the view that such a fight can only be won by regimentation and communal organisation? Does endemic CCTV in a liberal economy imply authoritarianism or liberalism? How would a modern, western government in which the acceptability of political views was extremely important in deciding who gets comfortable and well-funded public sector jobs, hence by implication creating an extremely poor ground for the opposition, compare with a government where this isn't the case? Or perhaps restated, how does various gradients of "The only thing we will not tolerate is intolerance which will be crushed" place a society on the compass?

hahaha yea ha ha ha (2, Informative)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621596)

'socialist crackpots'. this is the first phrase in your post. it renders your post SO credible and respectable that it goes beyond calculation.

and in addition, there is the ignorance that renders much respectability to your post. without knowing any other country other than your own america, which you believe that the best country on earth because YOU WERE TOLD IT TO BE SO, you are totally devoid of any knowledge about how europe has been living under left governments in the majority of the last 60 years, and what kind of freedom and standard of living they attained.

let me tell you what hit the constitutional court in sweden just a few months ago, and resolved as a nationwide issue ; it was decided that it was inalienable right of swedish women to be topless on beaches and pools, and noone could force them to cover their breasts. not insurance. not healthcare. not freedom of speech. not any wrongdoing by government people. this was one of the biggest recent issues in sweden. the freedom of speech and choice you think you have in your country is like bread and butter there.

and in the place you put out as a bad example, norway, which went far out to say that state does better raising children than their parents, is another show of ignorance. children have no worries there. it doesnt matter whether they are raised or not even. work, standard of living, freedoms are guaranteed. yet, in your america, where parents raise their children oh so properly, you have millions of radicals raising millions of kids estranged from the society, in a spectrum ranging from mild racist to mormon.

excuse me, but mr. mccarthy, your time has passed. success of european countries and the recent unimaginable SCAM that your corporate world has pulled off globally, shred all credibility to the 'america is best place to be' bullshit we have been feeding by arrogant americans all around the world. now the wise ones do not even open their mouths to utter any similar shit, only you right wing nutjobs remain blabbering the same 50 year old tune.

Can we *PLEASE* have an intelligent discussion (0, Offtopic)

microbox (704317) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621790)

Socialist crackpots have defined socialism and communism as good, hence by definition nothing bad is part of it.

The right-wing has branded socialism as fundamentally bad, and anything remotely not lassez-faire as a left-wing "crackpot" idiocy.

You then went on to completely mischaracterize moral individualism. Take a course in ethics or social psychology. Might add some substance to your arguments.

Can we *PLEASE* have an intelligent discussion?

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Informative)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621142)

As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time. China is the new Evil Empire, apparently. Scream "fascist" all you want, but you and most other westerners do not understand Chinese civilization or the role that government has traditionally played in it. Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese. :-P

The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women. This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men. You can argue that women have a choice, but in poor provinces, you can bet that it would be akin to prostitution, where young women are basically forced into the lifestyle because they have no other options.

Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance. For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma for deflowering local girls. In a country where virginity is prized and sex can almost be like a contract for marriage, that sort of thing isn't taken lightly. In the same way, if Chinese people think their women are being debased (as in porn), they tend to get very angry.

I am not going to try to explain 5000 years of Chinese civilization to you, or explain every way that it is different from the West, but I would encourage Slashdotters to read this article from the LA Times. It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.).

Article: Understanding China [latimes.com]

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Insightful)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621194)

The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women. This goes back to the revolution, in which women were eager to participate to get some basic equality with men.

How's that working out for the women in China? Here in the West where porn is legal (for the most part), we have Germany with a female prime minister. Great Britain had a female PM also. The US has had multiple female VP candidates. We have numerous female in cabinet positions. A woman currently is the leader of the House of Representatives. Another is running DHS badly. Another woman heads the state department. That's the public sector. In the private sector we've had countless female CEO that I'm not going to bother listing all of them.

Are there any signs women are equal with more men because China does not allow porn? I'm not terribly familiar with the internal governing of China or who runs their corporations. I'm amazed I even know where China is on the map.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (2, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621412)

While I suspect we are in ideological agreement, I think citing female politicians as a sign of a country's empowerment of women isn't a terribly hot idea because I can name a couple of contrary cases: Pakistan and Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and the Philippines with presidents Corazon Aquino and Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. Both countries are very restrictive of their women - although they are both in the grip of different religions.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621474)

So female politicians leading a country isn't empowerment of women? What pray tell is empowerment of women then?

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Insightful)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621598)

So female politicians leading a country isn't empowerment of women?

The upperclass has always operated under different rules from general population. We've had queens, emperesses and princesses going back forever in both the west and the east. If female politicians leading a country were a sign of general female empowerment then women have not been repressed since at least the days of Cleopatra.

What pray tell is empowerment of women then?

Economic and social parity with men in the general population.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

furball (2853) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621698)

Are you saying that China has more gender parity than the porn-ridden West thanks to its stance on porn or are you saying China has less gender parity than the porn-ridden West?

Are you aware of any nations where gender parity is close to even AND porn is illegal?

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621782)

I am saying one thing - the presence of female political and business leaders doesn't mean jack squat about the amount of gender parity in the general population because for every example in a liberalized country one can find an example in a repressive country. Capiche?

Itsa Dumb Chinese Gov't Theory (2, Insightful)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621460)

I agree. Don't jail people for a speculative theory. If they have solid proof it "undermines women", then you have a semi-case. But right now it's merely arm-chair guesses from up on top.

If China really wants to help women, then do something about the "last name" problem where sons are "valued" more because they carry the family last name when married. That's a huge and real stigma problem.

And if you jail everybody for porn, then you waste resources that could be spent on real crimes.
       

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (2, Insightful)

indiechild (541156) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621218)

I would've thought porn and prostitution is more important than ever now that there is a massive gender imbalance brewing in China. Way too many girls being aborted in the past, so there is an excess of young men.

As for porn not being allowed because it demeans women, isn't that the basic premise that applies all over the world, universally? Yet porn exists anyway, and is consumed by many who (hypocritically) claim to be protecting women. OK, now that's opening a whole new other can of worms.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

Cassius Corodes (1084513) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621252)

Yes they are different but were we not exactly like them once? As societies develop and stabilise they generally become liberal. Chinese so far have gone in this direction. People said things like this about many of the traditional conservative countries in Europe as well but over time they too opened up. People are not somehow fundamentally different - but they have different cultures - and these change over time. They are not going to turn into liberals immediately, but as the average education improves, as the financial situation improves society will open up from within.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621356)

You've drunk the Kool-Aid. I've lived in China for years, and I've heard a few westerners speak exactly as you do.
There are two major forces at work here:

1. Propaganda, nationalist extremists, and a strong feedback mechanism between the two.
2. Historical revisionism.

That mysticism argument goes something like this:
"Oh you can't possibly understand Chinese culture; It's too complex for you, and even if you learned Mandarin, read every book written in Mandarin, you still can't understand because you weren't born Chinese"

The reality is quite simple to understand. China is crashing into the modern world and as individuals try to make sense of it all, the national identity is in crisis. From the top down, there comes authority and an appeal to history, nationalism and racism.
From the bottom up, comes sexual revolution, and rejection of tradition, as well as some reflection of authoritarianism that came from the top.

Basically you're just generalising, and generalising sucks because it gloms everyone together, then stamps all over individuality.

Ps. I didn't find Chinese girls and guys ;-) in the least bit conservative about sex.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (5, Insightful)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621408)

The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.

And China's deification of Mao, who preferred young women (we'd consider him a pedophile) didn't demean women? (The New Emperors: China in the Era of Mao and Deng)

How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed? You'd think that would demean women.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621588)

How about the one-child policy, which causes Chinese to prefer male children, to the point where female children are abandoned or "accidentally" killed? You'd think that would demean women.

You are mixing cause and effect. The fact that they value male children more is preexistent; now add the one child policy, and you have the causes. The result being the mass elimination of female babies.

Not my cup of tea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621426)

Not the Evil Empire, but also not a model of government that I want my country to follow.

I witnessed the ham-fisted propaganda exercise that the Chinese government attempted in Australia when the 2008 Olympic torch went through the country. It left me with no doubt that the Chinese government will go to great lengths to protect and promote its agenda (and that Chinese overseas students are its foot soldiers).

It also left me with little doubt that the Chinese government will not hesitate to extend its influence, if given the opportunity. I've got no problem if the Chinese want to live under their current government, but China's government becomes and Evil Empire to me when it attempts the type of invasion of my country that it attempted in 2008.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621486)

As an American living in China, it pains me to see this sort of hysterical nonsense on Slashdot all the time. China is the new Evil Empire, apparently.

Not really. China is the old Evil Empire.

Then again, maybe the U.S. should "pre-empt" their errors, and save China from the Chinese. :-P

If China is truly determined to industrialize without any thought to emissions, then perhaps the world should save the world from China.

The basic reason that the Chinese do not allow porn is that they believe that it demeans women.

That's a bunch of horse shit. Chinese culture is demeaning to women. I've had to sit through several rants on sexism in China. As a result of sexism in China, there are over 25 million excess males of military/breeding age, and another 25 million on the way, for whom there are no women. No nation's women prefer Chinese men, including China (the same is true of Thailand... another nation with fascism encoded in law.) China is going to have to have a war, or get very gay.

It explains quite a bit about the role of government in China and how the West has gotten it wrong with predicting that China would become more like them (developing a rights tradition, embracing democracy, etc.).

China has become more like the US in that they are becoming more consumerist as they gain access to money to buy their own shitty, polluting crap which formerly has been the exclusive domain of the rest of the world. Over time, their desire for more shiny gewgaws likely will produce a more capitalistic society. Appealing to human greed rarely fails. An industrialized society provides new opportunities to hide criminal behavior.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621564)

Weird. You start saying "it's stupid to call China fascist, because...", then you proceed to describe one damn reactionary culture.

It's not China's fault they are on top, face it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621628)

Amen to what you said:

It amazes me at some of the stupidity of my own "tribe" here in the U.S.A. (sometimes), in fact.

I don't think many of them realize that those folks in China have held onto their lands as a nation for 5,000++ yrs., & had sciences and technology that was fairly impressive whilst we still lived in caves!

They're nobody to disrespect, or, to take lightly. Only fools do that... & I am actually sorry to say this, but, the U.S.A.? Has plenty of fools (like any nation really).

APK

P.S.=> Besides, look @ the Chinese lately: They're beating our asses into the dirt, and on MANY grounds... perhaps, rightfully so, but I think they even realize it's NOT us "regular folks" @ fault in the U.S.A., but rather our "leaders" ("KoRpOrAtE AmErIkA") really.

They KNEW & took advantage of STUPID GREEDY MORONS @ THE WHEEL (corporate scumbags) HERE IN THE USA, WHO REALLY "MAKE THE LAWS HERE", instead of the regular people doing it - they just took advantage of their stupidity, & look who's on top now? China.

Mainly due to the greedy swine like Bernie Madoff & our "fiat money" based "FEDERAL RESERVE BANKING SYSTEM" (which is ANYTHING BUT FEDERAL mind you - it's a consortium of bankers, only) via the hedgefund scandal + other investments in Chinese workers monies. Those dolts GOT PLAYED by a far wiser, & far smarter + older more mature culture... like idiots who think they are "clever" usually do in the end.

BUT, this is what we get, when we hire on "MBA's", instead of "hiring from within the ranks" to lead our corporations.

It makes me sad actually: The U.S.A. has truly intelligent & skilled people, but instead? Well, we get "frat boys" & asskissers who "belong to the right party" &/or "Clique", who 'take over', & are ANYTHING but qualified to do so (or, do the results of this last decade prove me wrong? Don't think so)... apk

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621630)

Chinese society is quite conservative about sex, or at least it has that appearance.

You're right about the appearance bit...

For example, it isn't unheard of to hear of a foreigner beaten into a coma

That's what you call 'conservative'?

for deflowering local girls.

Looks like you're the conservative one.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621170)

Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology. It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism). Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it. Socialism is when everything is owned by the collective. Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.

As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621354)

Fascism is a left-wing ideology, because it is a collectivist ideology. It's the same thing with nazism (national socialism). Fascism is when you are allowed to have property, but the collective decides what you can do with it.

No, fascism is when the government works on behalf of corporations, and vice versa.

Right-wing ideology is about individualism, and among other things, letting you own and control your property.

As a leftist you should be in favor of fascism.

No, right-wing ideology is about maintaining the status quo, and among other things, consolidating power and wealth in the hands of those who already have power and wealth.

As a rightist, you should be in favor of fascism.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

BlackBloq (702158) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621184)

Don't worry about what other think too much or you will try and control that.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (4, Interesting)

mindbrane (1548037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621188)

I recently finished an excellent set of Yale uni Online lectures by R Wyman titled "Global Population and Biological Development". In one of the later lectures Professor Wyman reported on first hand experiences of scientist working in China investigating birth control programmes both as to their implementation and efficacy. In an earlier lecture he made the point that the current Chinese government has been able to convince the general population that the Chinese state exists as a viable entity. This point is interesting in light of reports by people working in China reporting on various birth control programmes. The gist of the reports was that the central government made sweeping claims and policy implementations that when translated, implemented and reported by the various districts came out in the wash as markedly different from the original proclamations made by the central government. Locally people seem in large measure to implement such policies as they see fit and to colour reports back to the central government to placate central control agencies.

Chinese history is a history of warring states so much so that I'm not able to subscribe to Professor Wyman claim that China has attained unification. Taiwan stands out as a stark example in terms of how young the mainland state is. I recall the Chinese government is only about 60 years old and faces an economic reality that greatly flies in the face of it's communist posture. A central regime that broadcasts slogans like "Purity and Harmony" and implements draconian practices to influence it's population on the level of their sexual drive smacks of desperation.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (1)

Antique Geekmeister (740220) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621482)

In other news, middle managers and bureaucrats continue to turn corporate and federal policy into quaint, local strategies of turf-building and funds-gathering worldwide.

Film at 11.

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (0, Offtopic)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621228)

Well, there basically never was a communist state in human history.
Because, as far as I remember, a real communist state has no government, but is governed from the bottom up.
Those government in those states are supposed to be temporary, to implement the changes, and then dissolve themselves.
Yeah, that never happens. ;)

The thing is, that the communist idea, in theory is really nice. Just as democracy.
The problem is, that both ideas are based on faulty theory. The communist one even more than the democracy one.
The error is, that they assume there would be such a thing as 100% altruistic people who could ignore their own interests in favor of the general public. To put them in charge. Basically as a medium. A channel for the interests of the people.

Of course that is just a pretty dream, as there is no such thing in reality. The whole evolution is the exact opposite of this. Any organism of that kind would die out in the blink of an eye. To be replaced by something that only cares for itself.
But the idea stems from the fact, that we as humans, are really great at teamwork. We are the only ones who have a “society” which is basically a huge team, working together. The thing is though: While for most of the time that humans existed, we were small groups of 20-30 people, we now are huge teams. Way too huge.
Our common good has taken a back seat, and we focus more on personal gain.

I think, a nice model is the Arabic philosophy of “me and you, against the town. me, you and the town, against the [county]. me, you, the town and the [county] against the country. ... etc” Basically a fractal model of priority. That way you can still profit from team work, and only look at the large groups if needed. You don’t become egocentric that easily.
But I’m digressing.

What we need is small groups. Where you can’t survive if you act egocentric and try to become a dictator. Where the group can easily personally come up to you, and throw you out. Where the personal gain IS the gain of your group. Like a large family basically. Protecting your genes. Ever if you die, you will then live on.
But also on that new level of ideas/mindsets. (You may be aware of the concept that one can look at those like lifeforms, and that the models then strangely still fit.) Small communities (and/or fractal ones) on the Internet, protecting your mindset/ideas, so they will live on.

In my opinion, our current forms of society don’t really work for that exact reason. A leader wants to have a personal (or small group) gain. It’s in his genes because of billions of years of evolution enforcing it. It’s only natural.
So naturally, he always and without exception will have huge conflict with the interests of people that elected him. This is unavoidable.

But I still don’t know how this knowledge helps me, live in a society where my interests and that of my group don’t conflict. Other than starting a family and emigrating to the wilderness ;)

Re:China is not a Left Wing or Communist State. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621254)

too many big words ..

Reward? (1)

MrDoh! (71235) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621036)

Can anyone claim the reward? or do we have to be in China?
I'm sure I could rummage around my bookmarks for a few choice sites.

Re:Reward? (3, Informative)

plasticsquirrel (637166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621180)

It's only $300, and I believe the websites need to be hosted in China. They want to stop people from making porn in China (viewed as exploiting local women), and they don't care so much about people simply viewing porn on foreign sites. $300 is the monthly salary for many Chinese, if that puts it into perspective. It's difficult to say whether what class that is, though, because incomes are all over the place. Maybe it's a working class salary.

What happened to the whitelisting system?? (3, Insightful)

lkcl (517947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621064)

um... wasn't there a slashdot report about whitelisting of all foreign web sites, so that no external porn would get into the country?? did someone in the chinese government forget about the concept of a) mirrors b) home-grown porn, then?

The Less Porn the Better (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621100)

No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is slanted towards the male (and probably the younger male) but I don't consider exposure to porn healthy.

We don't expose children to porn if we can help it because we don't believe in distorting their minds, but we turn a blind eye to adults (who may also be weak minded) using it effectively as a recreational drug.

If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you. The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.

In the scheme of things pornography exposure is not the end of the world but it does subtly alter your thought processes, and not for the better.

If we were truly honest about porn it would come with a mental health warning.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (2, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621124)

In the scheme of things pornography exposure is not the end of the world but it does subtly alter your thought processes, and not for the better.

By what measure? Come on AC, justify your assertion.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (1)

courseofhumanevents (1168415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621160)

Adults who willingly make a choice to use certain things constantly at harm to themselves are not society's burden.
We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621250)

Adults who willingly make a choice to use certain things constantly at harm to themselves are not society's burden. We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.

Actually - obesity is a burden on society's resources. And there's a strong precedent for banning stuff that is bad for people - such as heroine, cocaine, and even tobacco is now heavily sanctioned. The view that people make choices somehow isolated from the rest of their world is wrong - even with porn, consumption creates demand that will be fulfiled by pornographers

Re:The Less Porn the Better (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621494)

We don't ban McDonald's because some folks don't eat anything else and hurt themselves in doing so.

You don't ban McDonald's, because that would be discriminatory. You ban trans fats [nytimes.com] , or perhaps, sub-grade beef [alternet.org] . You make it unprofitable to poison the citizenry for money.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621168)

If you start immersing yourself in material with racist (for instance) views you should not be surprised if some of them begin to rub off on you. The same goes for significant exposure to pornography.

Okay, a) if the porn is depicting consensual acts, then there's really nothing wrong with it ... "rubbing off on you." Hardly equivalent to racism.

And b), that's bs anyway. I can personally attest that watching porn in no way increases sexual activity.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621172)

I agree. My own view is that porn can and will distort the development of healthy relationships in younger people. That the increasingly mainstream acceptance of porn surplants shared values where people are respected first and foremost for who they are rather than the shape or accessibility of parts of their bodies - increasingly the mainstay of celebrity culture. Not to mention that porn comodifies sex, denegrates the actors involved in it's production and is strongly associated with less salubrious ends of society.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621306)

There is NOTHING wrong with porn
been watching it since 13 and I've known some who started earlier

I haven't killed anyone, I haven't raped anyone, I haven't committed a single crime, graduated from college with honors and now I'm employed and make a nice sum of money. Been watching porn for more than 10 years. Nothing rubbed on me! None of the crazy extreme fetishes I've jacked off to on porn, trickled down to my sex life.

Re:The Less Porn the Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621586)

No doubt this will outrage many here given the demographic is *slanted* towards the male

I see what you did there.

it is just me or (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621154)

the world is going downhill

Darknets (5, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621292)

In some corners of the world it is time to get serious about crypto and darknets. If the chinese government is not careful, their attempts to suppress pornography may lead to the creation of networks which will ultimately bring them down.

Holy shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621320)

rm -rf ~/porn

Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621322)

It must be lousy to go through puberty in China I imagine. I mean, it is still a male oriented country, right? More males than females. Now, they're cracking down on pornography?

Very weird country (1)

jhoegl (638955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621332)

For a country that contains 1/6th the world population, urban sprawl, and laws to reduce their population this is weird.

That's all they found? (3, Funny)

tubeguy (141431) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621518)

In China? Out of 1.3 billion people? They have some catching up to do....

In another wording (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30621558)

china arrests people for pursuing what nature's evolution developed for hominoid monkeys to make love to each other and reproduce.

its appalling that they didnt ban genders already.

Where are all the links??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621620)

How are we supposed to judge the issue without links to research the subject?

I wonder (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30621670)

I wonder if removing access to porn and such material would lead to a worse behaving society, as the only outlet for the "human urge" is physically with another person or persons as oppose to spanking the monkey at a computer screen/magazine etc.

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