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Google Nexus One Hands-On, Video, and Impressions

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the there's-a-nap-for-that dept.

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wkurzius writes "Engadget has gotten their hands on a Nexus One and have put their first impressions up for the world to see, including whether or not they think it's the 'be-all-end-all Android phone / iPhone eviscerator.' Their opinion? 'Not really.'"

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30628888)

post is end all and be all of evisceration....or whatever.

Only one question... (2, Interesting)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30628928)

Is it locked? That is really the "killer app" point for me. A commercially sold phone that is hacker friendly from the start.

Re:Only one question... (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30628956)

It's feature-locked. It only has the hardware to work fully on T-Mobile. Like the article says, take it to AT&T and you can't reach the frequencies they do 3G data on. It's not a bad design trade-off... why give the T-Mobile users hardware they don't need, when a majority of customers with an unlocked device would take it to T-Mobile because of their "unsubsidized hardware, cheaper service" pricing?

Re:Only one question... (1, Troll)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629534)

I'm sorry, but WHY for the love of Farley do Android phones always go to T-Mobile? Their 3G coverage is essentially non-existent, which defeats the purpose of a smartphone. I'd love to buy this phone, but if it's T-Mobile only, then there's no point because you'll only be able to use programs requiring the internet when you're on a wireless network (if it supports that).

Re:Only one question... (2, Informative)

jbuilder (81344) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629594)

Have you been paying attention to T-Mobile at at all lately? Because that's not even true. They're 3G coverage has expanded to the point in the last year alone that it's at 85-90% of AT&T's 3G coverage. They cut the timetable for their rollout of 3G from 36 months to 17 months. I literally had 3G turn on overnight in my own neighborhood just a couple of nights ago.

And even IF you don't have 3G coverage in your area - you will soon - and if you have WiFi in your house (who doesn't?) you'll be off and running with high speed internet access when you're at home.

Re:Only one question... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629658)

They're 3G coverage has expanded to the point in the last year alone that it's at 85-90% of AT&T's 3G coverage

so what, like 2% of the US then?

Re:Only one question... (0, Troll)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630022)

I looked at T-Mobile's coverage about 6 months ago when I got a new phone. Their 3G covered a few square miles...TOTAL for the entire country. Unless you lived in just the right spot in a couple of cities, you wouldn't get 3G. I just checked their 3G coverage, and while it's infinitely better than it was 6 months ago, it still doesn't even come close to covering all major cities in the country, let alone if you go outside of a major city. They now cover the city I live in, yet the city just a few miles way (which is even bigger than mine) doesn't have any 3G coverage - seeing as how I'm a consultant and bounce back and forth between the cities a lot, that's crap that my phone will only work in one of those cities. With my iPhone I have 3G coverage even when I visit relatives out in the middle of nowhere in little towns with a population of under 1,000. I'd love to pay less and have an Android phone, but T-Mobile's network still has a long way to go to be competitive. That's the real reason their prices are so low - because they have to lower monthly payments to get people to use their substandard network (for 3G that is).

Re:Only one question... (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629592)

"why give the T-Mobile users hardware they don't need"

I have a bit of a question about this. . . is it *really* any more expensive to create a radio frequency generator that can tune *either* set of frequencies? Why would the phone need additional hardware? Every radio has a tuner mechanism to choose the frequency. I mean, my 30 year old FM radio can tune 88Mhz *and* 107Mhz. Why can't a cell phone radio tune 1700Mhz *and* 1900Mhz? It's not fundamentally different technology, it's just a different frequency?

Re:Only one question... (1)

NotBorg (829820) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629806)

Can't lock in the customer^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H frequency that way.

Re:Only one question... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629718)

...Because compared to T-Mobile AT&T's coverage is huge? Really, I'd much rather support T-Mobile rather than AT&T (not going to support Verizon and Sprint has no coverage either where I travel) but some places I go T-Mobile has no coverage and AT&T does (yeah, they are places in the middle of nowhere but that doesn't diminish the fact I still need cell service). I'd really like to have an unlocked Android handset to use on AT&T that has all the features I want, I'd really like a Droid but that is CDMA only I believe and I'm not switching over to Verizion until they stop screwing with people's phones.

Roaming? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629894)

why give the T-Mobile users hardware they don't need

I would take exception to that, what happens when you go into an area where T-Mobile is not and AT&T is? AT&T doesn't have as wide data coverage as Verizon, but T-Mobile is behind further still... even if there were a cost to it, I'd prefer to at least have the option as a T-Mobile user to consider paying for data roaming and it certainly takes a lot of shine of an "unlocked" device that you can realistically only use with one carrier (unless the unlocked does come with greater frequency support?)

You also ignore the very great value of international roaming...

Re:Only one question... (5, Interesting)

NotFamousYet (937650) | more than 4 years ago | (#30628984)

If you want a commercially sold phone that is hacker-friendly, I'd advise the Nokia N900. Have you considered that?

Re:Only one question... (1)

jbuilder (81344) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629564)

The N900 PIM-specific functionality is far behind what Android or iPhone is capable of. If you're OK with that, then I would be inclined to agree. The N900 is a solid device.

Re:Only one question... (2, Informative)

quenda (644621) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629690)

The N900 PIM-specific functionality is far behind what Android or iPhone is capable of.

But it does run the google-apps mail & calendar web version well - both main and mobile versions.

Re:Only one question... (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629720)

lulz. Only if you consider Debian to be far behind what Android or iPhone is capable of. What are you missing?

Re:Only one question... (2, Insightful)

abigor (540274) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629880)

Games? I don't play them on a phone, but a lot of people sure seem to.

Re:Only one question... (1)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629756)

The N900 is good, but I think eventually Android development is going to catch up to the iPhone and have good commercial games. The N900 probably never will (well, aside from emulators and Quake). Its like the difference between buying a PSP and a GP2x, the GP2x is more hacker friendly, both have similar feature-sets, but you are going to get better quality games on the PSP at the expense of not being able to run a few nifty apps (assuming a non-hacked PSP). Community driven projects are great at making emulators, ports of old UNIX games (look at the 100,000 versions of nethack out there) but for new, full featured games that are more than a tech demo, you usually have to go with a commercial OS. Android is good in that it will allow unofficial "shady" development (emulators) while still enticing commercial studios.

Re:Only one question... (1)

Delwin (599872) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629910)

So long as Android keeps it's 16MB max heap per application you're not going to see any serious gaming on it.

Re:Only one question... (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629962)

Haven't seen his in any of the replies, but the N900 is just like the Android in bands. 2G only on ATT.

Re:Only one question... (1)

anethema (99553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629976)

By android I meant the Nexus One

Re:Only one question... (5, Interesting)

B5_geek (638928) | more than 4 years ago | (#30628996)

Get a Nokia N900 if you want that killer feature.

Debian ... check
root access ... check
ssh + screen ... check

apt-get install damn near anything ... CHECK!

Re:Only one question... (4, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629064)

Nokia took a big turn a few years ago, dropping the "free after service provider subsidy" models in favor of going very geek. I had one of their recent phones earlier this year while I was waiting for my subsidy to get an iPhone to come available.

The initial failures of the Ovi App Store were annoying, and with only the built in apps available to me it needed some work. They're racing in the same division as much bigger fish called Apple and Google, but they seem to have a neat device in the Booklet 3G... just a plain Windows netbook with a $300 provider discount making it $299.99, and Best Buy was kicking in another $100 to make it $199.99 over the holidays. The killer feature on this one is a solid battery.

They're really going for the geeks... but are there enough geeks who will pass on both Apple on AT&T and Google on Verizon and T-Mobile?

Re:Only one question... (4, Informative)

Albanach (527650) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629224)

They're racing in the same division as much bigger fish called Apple and Google

In Q3 2009 Nokia sold 16.16 million smart phones. Apple sold 7.04 million.

Apple's market share is certainly growing, but in the world of cell phones, they don't come much larger than Nokia.

Re:Only one question... (3, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629324)

Not quite an apples-to-Apple Inc. comparison there.

Apple effectively has two very similar packages in "smartphones", would you like the 3GS in 16GB or 32GB. Some non-S 3G phones are still in inventory and selling at a discount. And let's not forget Apple has the bigger App Store, and developers who target the iPhone also get to see their apps run on the iPod Touch which isn't considered a "smartphone" for lack of a phone.

Development for Nokia's line of phones is much harder, because there's more than one screen size and a much wider range of capabilities.

It's a little more than just product moved that matters. Nokia's App Store is nothing compared to the iTunes App Store, and we know 30% of all money that goes through that goes straight to Apple.

Re:Only one question... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629728)

As a long time Nokia fan and former employee, I have to say, I really enjoyed their Series 40/60 phones in the early to mid part of the decade. But after having an N95 phone and comparing it with the iphone OS in the ipod-touch (i know, i am ignoring comparable capabilities, and focusing on usability) there was no comparison.

Symbian is long in the tooth and needs to just die. The development environment is crap on windows and sucks even more on linux/OSX. I've done development for Symbian/WinMo/iPhone and Symbian is the most painful when it comes to the tool chain and development platform.

Usability wise, Symbian also pretty much sucks.

Now, I have not used an n95 or n900, and stil have friends at the mothership that enjoy these phones. But, Nokia really needs to focus on developer tools and platform as well as general overall usability of the phones. Otherwise, they will be reinventing themselves again in another year or so.

Another question (1)

LockeOnLogic (723968) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629716)

What's the profit margin on an iPhone compared with Nokia smartphones? Include app store profits and Apple is probably ahead. Apple has generally had the model of selling shiny products with fat profit margins.

Re:Only one question... (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629752)

Yes, but somehow Apple iPhone division made more profit worldwide than Nokia, even though Nokia sold over 100 million more phones.

You can pull out numbers to go either way.

Nokia are a big fish, but they have stumbled majorly. They risk being made irrelevant like Ericsson and Motorola if they don't change this. They fucked up the same way Microsoft fucked up and lost this battle as well.

I liked Nokia, but the fact it took someone like Apple to shake up this industry shows how out of touch they really are.

Re:Only one question... (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629788)

compared to where nokia was 4 years ago, that's a large decline. if you are a nokia shareholder, that's a terrifying decline.

Twice as many, 10x harder to develop for (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629882)

In Q3 2009 Nokia sold 16.16 million smart phones

That's awesome!

How many of those are Maemo? A tiny fraction you say?

So developing apps, should I target the old and comparatively hard to program (compared to the iPhone and Android and heck even the Pre) Symbian, or give a go to Maemo development even though it's totally new, has nowhere near the marketshare, and is also harder to develop for (needing to use C++ and all with special semantics layered atop)?

If you were interested in personal or commercial development on these things, the choices really come down to Android and iPhone, because they are really the only comprehensive mobile development platforms around and have tons of support. It's just too late for another Linux Mobile OS to come out, even if you are Nokia...

Re:Only one question... (-1, Troll)

GravitonMan (1145905) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629398)

Get an iPhone if you want that killer feature.

Debian ... check
root access ... check
ssh + screen ... check

apt-get install damn near anything ... CHECK!

/spending 2min to install blackra1n and rock/cydia and have a great phone!
/iPhone h8ters quit yer whinning

Re:Only one question... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629676)

/spending 2min to install blackra1n and rock/cydia and have a great phone!

Paying $500 + signing a $100/month contract on a phone which may get bricked on the next update because you hacked it: priceless.

Re:Only one question... (-1, Troll)

Karganeth (1017580) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629038)

Why does it matter if it's locked or not? You should only be concerned with what carrier you intend to use (and if it works on it). Only hippies want unlocked phones.

Re:Only one question... (2, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629226)

Are the right wingnuts resorting to calling people "hippies" now? Boy, talk about running low on brainless insults. You guys should have rationed your rudeness to make words like "liberal" and "socialist" last longer. Oh wait, conserving natural resources is "fascism", isn't it?

Re:Only one question... (1)

maitai (46370) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629318)

Asking if it's locked or not IS asking if it will work on their carrier.

Note, Unlocked GSM phones will work on any GSM carrier. As opposed to say, a locked to T-Mobile phone which will only work with T-Mobile.

Re:Only one question... (1)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629484)

Wrong kind of "locked." I want to know if I can change/mod the software.

Re:Only one question... (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629660)

Wrong kind of "locked." I want to know if I can change/mod the software.

Android on the HTC Magic has a settings menu item to enable USB debugging so I have hopes for being able to install my own applications.

Re:Only one question... (1)

abigor (540274) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629892)

Not if other Android phones are any sort of indicators.

Re:Only one question... (2, Informative)

El Royo (907295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629952)

If you're looking for a hacker friendly phone then you really can't beat the Palm Pre. Linux OS underlies it. Very strong homebrew community that works -with- Palm. The whole phone is open for tinkering. Shortly, it should be supported on Verizon and the GSM version should be available in the states later this year (of course, you could import a QWERTZ phone from Germany now, but that seems like a lot of effort to me). Recently, the homebrew community ported Doom to the phone, it works with the new OpenGL drivers included in the webOS 1.3.5 update. Palm really gets open source. Of course, I might be biased, I do run the Pre 101 [pre101.com] Web site in my spare time, but I don't think I've exaggerated anything.

my old samsung i8510... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30628934)

running s60 v3 can do :
8.1 mpx photos
has a dual led flash
has a wifi client
can do skype over wifi (fring)
does 3G/quad band GSM
runs garmin/tomtom/route 66 GPS software with over 8 GB of maps.
has 32 GB storage (16GB on board, 16GB microSD)
has accuweather 15 days forecasts and reuters new feeds
does RSS with mobispine
has the usual calendering stuff with sync and does gmail/search/google maps with native apps.
has opera, the symbian web browser and literally hundreds of symbian apps for reading PDF/doc/chm etc
has mobioffice for office docs, divx player, real player and dozens of mp3 players available.
can connect to a projector and output sound + video on the same output cable. ...and is over 2 years old and obsolete at this point. and android phones dont even have half this functionality in 2010.

Re:my old samsung i8510... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629120)

the m8910 also has a 12mpx camera and both can do smb file sharing over wifi, ssh over wifi and charge via microusb. androids offerings are still lagging behind s60v3 both in software and hardware.

More vendor/carrier lock-in (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30628936)

I'm more than a little disappointed that they seem to be going down the same path that Apple did, which is pretty much to stick you with a certain wireless carrier.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629004)

Yeah, cause I totally didn't buy an unlocked Motorola Milestone and use it on my prepaid carrier which doesn't sell phones at all. Oh wait, yes I did.

Damn that Google, with their open source OS that runs on a huge variety of devices.

This is a engineering issue, not Googfle's call. (3, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629042)

T-Mobile and ATT operate on different 3G frequencies. Supporting all frequencies would be prohibitively expensive.

Re:This is a engineering issue, not Googfle's call (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629116)

T-Mobile started life as VoiceStream doing GSM before Cingular decided that was cool and they'd join in. This lead to an awkward phase where they were distributing dual-protocol phones and had different rate tiers on the different networks. Yet again, when Cingular got the assets of the failed AT&T Wireless, they had to do another round of hardware swaps for those incoming customers.

Verizon has announced their LTE network with enough advance notice that they should be able to avoid such a costly rush change.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (2, Informative)

cgenman (325138) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629062)

You can get commercially available unlocked iphones. They just cost so much that nobody does it.

Apparently people would rather spend less money up front, and more money in the long run. Either people's budgets are so precariously balanced that an upfront fee is unviable, or humans are just bad at math. Possibly both.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (3, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629076)

Right now, in the USA, there's only one provider (T-Mobile) willing to discount your service if you decline the hardware subsidy. If you want to use anybody else, you pay the same rate even if you decline the upfront money.

Either T-Mobile subscriptions will go through the roof, or we've got proof that the public just doesn't care. People with money seldom understand math, see also: Las Vegas.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629090)

The problem, of course, is that T-Mobile's service has a reputation (possibly deserved, possibly not) as making AT&T seem reliable. Also they are definitely behind the big boys in coverage. I considered switching to them until my brother told me I could expect dead zones all over my city - and this is not a small city by any means.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629162)

I'm in a true fringe area... there's two farm's fields within eyesight of where I sit.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (4, Funny)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629246)

I'm in a true fringe area... there's two farm's fields within eyesight of where I sit.

Are you sitting on the fence?

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629334)

Could somebody explain why the little E disappeared from my iPhone last month to be replaced with a "3G"... yeah, Verizon's map ads need an update.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629372)

No, not me. I am in Australia and all I know about Verizon is what I read here, so I assume it is a very bad word.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (2, Interesting)

Shadow of Eternity (795165) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629410)

And I need to go inside a steel and cement storage building to lose a signal here in Orlando while my friend with his iphone can't even get one less than 4 miles from one of the largest universities in the entire state.

I can cherry pick anecdotes too.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629988)

This actually raises an interesting point. The few travelling geeks in our midst are the only ones who need to concern themselves with the coverage pissing contest. If CellCo has 98% coverage but you live in a dead zone, then TeleCom's 78% that covers most of your town looks like a better choice. Anecdotal evidence isn't worth anything when looking at an abstract (national percentage of coverage), but is often the most important factor in personal decisions (coverage where I am). Too many people disregard this, resulting in efforts wasted to dig up some statistic that shows my choice to be objectively better than your choice, when we ought to be able to simply say, "this choice is better for me." It's amazing how much people get along when this thought process is applied to beliefs.

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629540)

FYI Their are a couple other options from MVNO [wikipedia.org] 's, for instance http://www.pagepluscellular.com/ [pagepluscellular.com] seams to have decent reviews, and uses the entire verizon network. Their unlimited plan is about as cheap as I have seen (no unlimited data plans though)
(never used them, only looked at there site and am thinking...)

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

quenda (644621) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629740)

You can get commercially available unlocked iphones. They just cost so much that nobody does it.

Note that this is a US-only perspective.
Here they are not generally network locked, except for prepaid. But they are still DRMed up the wazoo.
You can jailbreak it, but why fight the supplier when you can choose a non-evil one instead?

Re:More vendor/carrier lock-in (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629842)

when most carriers do not even offer a no contract option, it has nothing to do with being bad at math.

the current model has carriers competing only on what cool new phones they offer. that's a whole heck of a lot cheaper than competing on their service / customer service / features / restrictions.

t-mobile is the only US carrier i know of that offers new customers a no-contract option for smart phones. i'll be getting an unlocked phone and jumping over to them as soon as possible.

Glaring problems (1, Interesting)

For a Free Internet (1594621) | more than 4 years ago | (#30628944)

It is not toad compatible. And it costs more than bread. And it spyes on you and reports to the pig. And, worst of all, it weighs like ten billion pounds. Nobody will buy it, I GUARANTEE!

Re:Glaring problems (-1, Troll)

Ethanol-fueled (1125189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629312)

But will it fit in my ass?

Looks like I just found a replacement for my iPhone. Now I can reap the benefits of the "open movement".

mod 0p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30628990)

only way to go: if desired, we are 7000 users bottoms butt.7 Wipe

AMOLED screens in a completely different class (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629020)

The AMOLED screens are simply amazing compared to conventional backlit LCDs used by the Droid/iPhone.

Re:AMOLED screens in a completely different class (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629176)

unless if you use it in daylight...

Re:AMOLED screens in a completely different class (4, Informative)

NoobixCube (1133473) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629412)

Agreed, I have a Samsung Galaxy (which has an AMOLED screen), and indoors it looks amazing, way better than my friends' iPhones' screens. Introduce direct sunlight though, and you're looking at a dull, dark-grey mess.

Google just trying to see what sticks? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629024)

In the past, when Google was a smaller company, we'd see very direct and targeted products being developed. First was their excellent search engine, then AdSense, and then GMail and Google Maps. The quality was good, the feature set was quite complete, and they were rife with innovation.

Lately, however, it seems that Google has just started throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. There seems to be a significant lack of focus. Android, Chrome OS and Nexus One follow this path. There's nothing about them that really sticks out relative to the competition. It's more just Google playing catch-up.

Especially in the case of Chrome OS, nobody has a fucking clue what Google is trying to accomplish. Power users find it extremely limiting, and "normal" users really have no use for it. Hopefully they abort it soon, and instead just make Chrome the best browser it can be.

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (3, Insightful)

MikeURL (890801) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629400)

If you take a look at their financials about 96% of their revenue comes from the ads they place on their search results. The rest is adsense and then all the other stuff is a rounding error.

Google very clearly exemplifies why a company of their size and profitability should be paying a huge dividend. They hold on to their money like these projects they are investing in are high-growth high-profit ventures and they aren't. So now Google is a hardware reseller? Who the fuck did the RROI for shareholders and decided that works out.

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (5, Interesting)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629432)

Ah, but this is what Google wants everyone to believe. They want you to think that they're just messing around and dabbling in every tech-related market. But the truth is far more subtle and interesting.

Google's real product, its core focus, has always been and remains its analytics. Everything they have developed or acquired--GMail, Maps, YouTube, Android, and of course, Google search--has been about one thing, and one thing only: gathering data and analyzing it in order to better match the consumer with the advertiser. You want to know/buy something. Someone else wants to tell/sell it to you. And Google's entire business model is about profiting off the need to make this connection efficient.

When viewed in this context, it becomes crystal clear why they have their hands in all these seemingly disparate technologies. They have a huge advantage, in that by cross-indexing the data they have collected on you, they can have a very complete picture of your preferences. It doesn't matter that YouTube doesn't turn a profit on its own. It doesn't matter that GMail and Android are free. In a sense, these things are not really products. They're more like...well, bait. They are a means to understand you better, and in turn, sell that understanding to people who want to sell you their products. Therefore, you are not Google's customer. The advertisers, the ones who pay Google for their analytics, are their real customers.

Given Microsoft's recent unveiling of Bing (and their "cashback" program), it appears that MS management still doesn't understand Google's strategy. They are trying to compete in this one area, thinking that if they could attract people to use their search engine, they would be competitive. While that tactic might have worked a decade ago, it's much too late now. They are throwing money at the problem because they don't understand that Google is successful because they offer services that are free, easy to use, and effective, then take the data they collect and sell that knowledge to advertisers. They have misunderstood in the same way that people misunderstand why Google developed all these different technologies and offered them for free.

It's also one more reason why I won't use Android, despite how good it is. I already use too many Google services. I don't need them to know even more about me than they already do.

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (2, Funny)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629524)

Maybe I should get my wife a Google account, a gMail account and a Nexus. Then Google can tell me what she's about. I sure can't seem to figure it out on my own...

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (1)

wickerprints (1094741) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629558)

LOL

I think if you did that, you'd probably discover she's about shoes. Prada or Jimmy Choo. And handbags. Then again, I don't think you really need Google to tell you that.

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629702)

> it appears that MS management still doesn't understand Google's strategy

I applaud your five-year-old insight and lack of faith in others' intelligence. (Execution is a different thing. BigCo's suck.)

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (4, Insightful)

shawb (16347) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629748)

I honestly think Google is a lot smarter than that... they don't sell data to the advertisers. Google keeps that data in house and simply decides which ads to show to which viewers. Selling that data would be like a dairy farmer selling his cows. In fact, that's one thing that almost makes me trust my data with Google... they don't want their competitors getting their hands on that data. It's not a kind heart and dedication to not being evil that drives Google to keep your data safe... it's pure financial self interest (and not even the enlightened variety.)

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (1)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629804)

100% wrong. Advertising doesn't pay enough for google to be the Iluminati. No, what google does very well is it implements huge backend systems that are cheaper and more reliable than anyone else.

It does this by :
  1. A custom (Linux based) OS and file system and failover system (by duplicating all data 3x)
  2. custom, super-cheap hardware based on PCs
  3. Hiring the smartest programmers it can possibly find, although it tends to pick people based upon educational achievement and not real world success.

The Nexus One will let you access google's wonderful backend systems while on the move. It'll be very cheap, and run very fast. +1 FTW.

Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (0, Troll)

Aerosiecki (147637) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629858)

It's also one more reason why I won't use Android, despite how good it is. I already use too many Google services. I don't need them to know even more about me than they already do.

What kinda weak FUD is this? It's a linux system on which you can gain root access with fair ease! You can packetsniff, block traffic, and swap out whatever bits of the OS you want. If the Big G were spying on you as such, you would not only know, you could do whatever you like about it.

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Re:Google just trying to see what sticks? (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629924)

It's also one more reason why I won't use Android, despite how good it is. I already use too many Google services. I don't need them to know even more about me than they already do.

no. by using an android phone they aren't going to know any more about you than if you just used their other services over the web. the thinking from google is that the phone is just a hook. if they can get me using it on my phone, then i'll use the web interface at some point and contribute to their ad-based revenue. in fact, the android google apps are ad-free.

Nexus One Forum (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629032)

The phone looks like it's pretty damn fast, very impressed. You can discuss it here as well:

Nexus One Forum [nexusoneforum.net]

The summary sounds misleadingly negative (5, Insightful)

cupantae (1304123) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629144)

I can't see exactly what's wrong with this phone. All that was meant by the "not really," I think, is that it isn't mindblowingly superior to other Android phones. It looks very nice.

Just Another Idiotic iPhone Fanboy In The Media (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629310)

Just some another retard in the press who is threatened by the massive success of Android phones.

Insanely powerful hardware + unlocked + Google Voice(and possibly soon data plan only voip calling for cheap) + open development

It shouldn't be any surprise that the "OMG!!! Teh iPhone!!!" fanboys are trying to downplay and neturalize the massive hype over this amazing phone.

iPhone Killer? (1)

Skythe (921438) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629222)

I would be waiting for the keynote before dismissing this claim. Until that point, this phone is basically a rebadged HTC Snapdragon based phone. I have a feeling Google Voice will be in the mix.

I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (3, Interesting)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629268)

Very funny, isnt this thing meant to be coming out soon? I realise all tech has crashes, but when you are going up against the iPhone, I think you should be able to change wallpaper without constant crashes! Thats the sort of thing that would put me off buying a phone, if a friend told me "this is so much better than the iPhone, check out the sparkly backgrounds" and then CRASH, #2 CRASH, #3 CRASH as you try and change the background! I'd automatically assume the rest of the phone were as buggy. Do other Android devices have similar crashes? I've had iPhone apps crash before, but never the actual first party OS functions before. I dont have much hands on experience with Android, its not really available in New Zealand.

Anyway, hope I dont come across as a jerk. I have big hopes for Android, although I dont see myself leaving my iPhone soon. The Nexus One seems to have a very nice interface with some software features that Apple would do well to copy. I dont like the look of the hardware, I'd prefer the iPhone. Its good to have strong and healthy competition in any market, I dont think Android handsets have been on par with the iPhone yet. Im trying not to get too excited over the Nexus One, as too often we hear "iPhone Killer" bandied about. Perhaps if we didnt have such high hopes, we would be more tolerant of Androids current flaws, rather than instantly dismissing the device when it turns out not to be made of solid gold and curing cancer. I remember the ridiculous hype over the Droid, with a massive marketing campaign, and then it seems to have just fallen dead? When I hear of the Nexus One, commenters will often mention "the Droid sucked" or "this is so much better than the Droid" etc.

I hope the Nexus One comes out soon so I can see it, although New Zealand seems to only have one or possibly two Android handsets on sale?

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (0, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629380)

I think Android generally is buggy. My wife bought an HTC Magic yesterday. I emailed some image files to it for her to use as backgrounds but the mail client on the phone gave the files names like "null", "null-1" and so on. It hasn't crashed though.

But the SMS application has this over designed UI which drives us around the bend.

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629476)

I'm always afraid that I'll come across as a smug Apple fanboi when I mention things that SEEM to be wrong with Android, after all, I've barely spent any time with actual Android devices.

Sorry to hear your wife has had problems. Is it so bad that it would put you off Android in general?

I've noticed people who use Android tend to have applications to kill tasks, as someone else mentioned, I'd almost rather have a "non multitasking" iPhone than a phone I have to constantly worry about while my phone is in my pocket, "is fart application.app using up resources?"

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629562)

Sorry to hear your wife has had problems. Is it so bad that it would put you off Android in general?

No, she just finds it confounding at times. She loves the look and feel of the UI. I think it is easily the equal of the iPhone. But android lacks the minimalistic Steve Jobs feel, which may be a problem in the longer term.

This morning she discovered that addresses in the contacts app link directly to google maps so the phone can guide her to her clients site. She was very impressed with that.

The funny thing is that when she asked me why I had heard of Android I said well.... its linux based. She runs ubuntu on her laptop because it is all I will support so she got a chance to rib me about that. Because I am really a BSD fan I suppose I should be pushing her towards the iPhone.

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629638)

ha,well if you do push her towards an iPhone, she can rest assured that the iPhone also links contact addresses to Google Maps :) Its a cool feature on both iPhones and Android devices. How did we live without Google Maps? :)

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629798)

The thing about the iPhone is... it crashes... often (I don't have one but the majority of my family members do, as do a few of my friends). Sometimes it fails to pick up calls, applications crash, SMS messages are sometimes delayed hours, while I would be quick to blame it on AT&T, my current "dumb" phone doesn't have these problems (well, not that theres any applications to crash on the stupid thing...) while running on AT&T. On my iPod touch, applications will occasionally simply refuse to load, Facebook will randomly crash when loading, there are a few websites Safari doesn't like and crashes, etc. While for a lot of people these may be simple annoyances, for some a lost call may be lost money.

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629908)

Oh I entirely agree, a lost call can cost you money. I have had applications on my jailbroken Original iPhone crash on me before, but never core iPhone functions like the phone, or txt messaging etc. Those are things that are "Apples fault", if a fart app craps out on me, then thats "the fault of the 14 year old programmer".

I think ALL of the cellular problems American iPhones on AT&T have, are caused by AT&T! In NZ, I've never had ANY of those problems! EVER! Overseas networks also seem to have essentially no problems with iPhone data/call use.

Not saying that the iPhone is perfect, its not, but I do think that a reviewer should be able to change the wallpaper on a soon to be released phone without it crashing. I dont think you should pay good money for a phone that crashes on simple core tasks. For me, my iPhone hasnt.

Im still interesting in seeing what the Nexus One is like when its released.

Re:I laughed at the live wallpaper crashes (2, Interesting)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629948)

While I can't speak for the iPhone, on my iPod touch core Apple things such as the music "app" have crashed on me, and three times I've had to do a hard reset from doing nothing more complex on the iPod other than changing songs.

And while I do agree that wallpaper changing should be simple, in reality on most Android phones they work on the core first and move outward to the UI, OS X development works first on the UI then works on the core.

Critical (4, Insightful)

iluvcapra (782887) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629284)

No multitouch? Okay.

No physical keyboard? Okay.

No multitouch AND no physical keyboard? Sorta fatal combination.

its engadget... (0, Troll)

hitmark (640295) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629362)

they fail anything that do not have a half-eaten fruit as a logo...

Nexus six (4, Funny)

SoVeryTired (967875) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629402)

Hmm, I think I'll wait a few years for them to release the Nexus Six. Maybe it'll come with a Voight-Kampff machine built in.

Re:Nexus six (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629624)

Hmm, I think I'll wait a few years for them to release the Nexus Six. Maybe it'll come with a Voight-Kampff machine built in.

Just don't ask me about my mother. I hate it when people do that.

Nexus One (3, Funny)

The Wild Norseman (1404891) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629490)

I can't wait until they come out with the Nexus-6 models. I might even call mine... Rachel.

Re:Nexus One (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629614)

I can't wait until they come out with the Nexus-6 models.

I might even call mine... Rachel.

You will need to load it with memories of course.

Ok.. (4, Informative)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629496)

So you can buy a Nexus One for $530 and pick up a data SIM for $29 a month. You get unlimited voice, unlimited SMS. I think the data SIM is capped at 5 gigs/month....which at 4 minutes/megabyte comes to thousands of 'minutes' a month. 5 gig is a little sparse for watching youtube videos, but more than adequate for finding information and checking maps.

2 year cost comes to $1,226. Iphone 3G two year cost is $1,975. Pretty substantial savings.

    I would guess that google voice is/will be a ton more flexible than other voice providers...can probably do VoIP using wifi whenever you are near a hotspot. Can most likely auto-forward to a home VOIP system whenever you are at home or the phone is turned off. If you have wireless internet at home and at work (who doesn't?), that basically means unlimited everything whenever you are there.

Better display and better hardware than the iphone as well.

To be honest, this sounds like a winner. This smartphone can do many of the tasks of a real PC, yet the 2 year cost is about what you'd pay on the cheapest plan offered by a major wireless provider in the United States.

Re:Ok.. (1)

JSBiff (87824) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629608)

I just wish it had a real keyboard. I have tried playing with the phones with on-screen keyboards, and it just doesn't work for me. I'd love a Nexu One + G1 Keyboard. I like the new OLED display tech and faster cpu on the Nexus One. I love the keyboard on a G1. Wish I could get both in one phone.

Re:Ok.. (2, Insightful)

Darkness404 (1287218) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629818)

...But that is assuming your wireless carrier doesn't mess with VoIP. While I don't think T-Mobile would (heck, they even supported unlocked iPhones for free!) other carriers might not be so forgiving AT&T, Verizon

Re:Ok.. (3, Informative)

ShooterNeo (555040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629854)

The Nexus one only really supports T-mobile. I did think about that...VoIP on a wireless link does sound pretty unreliable. There might be static, garbled communications, needing to speak loudly into the phone...even dropped calls. Then I thought "just like the kind of service I'm getting for ~$40/month through AT&T right now..."

At least with google voice, you'll get great reception when you are connected via wi-fi to a decent internet connection (like at home for sure). Probably get about the same quality at home as you'd get on a real landline. And you don't have to pay any sort of long distance charges, or worry about minutes. Plus, all your voicemail gets transcribed and you can read it right there in gmail. Sounds like a winner to me.

Re:Ok.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629918)

I use SIP on my Moto Droid daily. I don't see much of a problem at all with it. Verizon hasn't decided to bill me extra and whatever QOS they are doing doesn't kill it.

Re:Ok.. (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629934)

2 year cost comes to $1,226. Iphone 3G two year cost is $1,975. Pretty substantial savings.

Sure but per-month that's only about $32/month savings, and relying on VOIP is kind of rickety for a primary phone. Now purely as a data device, perhaps...

Re:Ok.. (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629998)

where do you get a data sim for $29 / month?

Of course Endgadget doesn't like it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30629784)

They couldn't find the Apple logo

The only question I have: (1)

caladine (1290184) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629868)

When will HTC be releasing the PassionC? I'm pretty happy with my current carrier (Verizon) which means I need a CDMA version of this phone...

not really? hmmm ... (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30629974)

the "not really" comment in the article is comparing it to the iphone. i wish people would realize that there will never be an
"iphone killer". android is a calculated chipping-away at the iphone. from TFA, the nexus one sounds like a big chip.

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