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Scambaiting Gets Comical; Internet Scammers All Dressed Up

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the made-in-the-shadenfreude dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 178

Nurse Nasty writes "Scambaiting is a fun and relaxing full-contact email sport. It's all about baiting Internet and email scammers into exposing themselves and sharing that humiliation with the entire world. Recently I baited four different groups of Internet scammers into being comic book action super-heroes, and then giving them their own 10-page graphic novel. It's a bit of fun and eduction through entertainment." (Warning: The comic contains a bit of naughty language.)

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Photoshopped? (-1, Troll)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630612)

The comic I looked at appears to be pictures of some guy pasted into a comic somebody has drawn up. Doesn't look very creative to me.

I just hope these people who have been baited don't get angry and catch flights to the west with their cavities stuffed with high explosive.

Diary of a Slashdot User (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630848)

Isn't it great to spend night after night online in the company of your best friends? Nothing like shooting the shit with your pals after a long day of watching Star Trek VHS tapes. After the long walk upstairs, it feels so good to sit down in the Archthrone of your Painkeep, rip open a new Pringles can and start sipping a freshly concocted Mountain Dew-Quik shake you call the "Polyjuice Potion" in honor of Harry Potter. (uNF Ginny!!) You call it that because after you drink it, you transform into something completely different. Your deep cyst acne clears up, you forget about your obesity, and you can chat about anime with people who genuinely care about you. After a few hours, the chat slows down and you wander over to some Russian child porn sites you subscribe to. Here's hoping the feds don't track your Citibank card! Hehe. A good long session of stroking your four inch penis finally results in a few drops of clear semen on your flabby fist, which you wipe all over your lips and chin, inhaling deeply. Finally feeling a bit drowsy, you click off your monitor and crack open your Gentoo laptop so you can finish explaining why Babylon 5 shouldn't have been cancelled while in bed. You fall heavily onto your greasy mattress which has a stained pillow and a discolored blanket half draped on it. You sleepily type in a few lines of chat while popping some throbbing zits on your cheek, making more pin point stains on your pillow. Just as you see some orange glow around the edge of your sheet draped window you decide to catch some sleep. You hate this time of night (day?) Now your loneliness hits you like a wall. Almost every real friend you've ever made has forgotten about you or is disgusted by you. Why do you act like that? Why do you LOOK like that? You represent everything they don't want to be. Why couldn't you just stay on a diet? Why carve up every last pimple until yet another bloody crater has been dug out of your cheek? Go to sleep...go to sleep, you plead to yourself. Tomorrow is Season 4 of Voyager... Seven of Nine. You like to imagine that you're on that spaceship, part of something, part of a group. But you never will be. Tears mingle with pus stains on your pillow as you squeeze your eyes shut trying to push the terrible reality of your singular aloneness. If only you had done better in school, if only you could find a job... and you remember Mom wants you to mow the lawn tomorrow morning. Goddamn it, you're turning 30 this November and you're still doing this shit. Your life is a prison and there's no chance for parole. Seven of Nine...

Re:Diary of a Slashdot User (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630898)

Hahaha... brilliant troll.

Re:Diary of a Slashdot User (2, Funny)

arjan_t (1655161) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630924)

Nothing like shooting the shit with your pals after a long day of watching Star Trek VHS tapes.

Drag yourself into 2010 man, Star Trek is on Blu-ray now...

(and yes, 1985 called, they do want their VHS tapes back)

Re:Diary of a Slashdot User (1)

AMSRay (992267) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631330)

For true geek cred they should be Beta tapes of Star Trek (The Original Series).

Brilliant Troll is Brilliant (2, Funny)

iamapizza (1312801) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630934)

Ye Olde Rofl [blogspot.com] .

Re:Brilliant Troll is Brilliant (2, Insightful)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631396)

typo fail. it's always sad when someone tries to be clever and instead proves they're a failure.

Re:Brilliant Troll is Brilliant (1)

iamapizza (1312801) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631636)

I think you need to sperate facts from fiction.

Re:Diary of a Slashdot User (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631094)

Hey, man, self-deprecation is only funny when it's NOT true. Whoever modded that "Funny" probably meant "Tragic", and hit the wrong button.

Scambaiting on the nude beach (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630614)

She lies back on the nude beach, her tumescent clit glistening in the sun, labia minora almost moving every time there's a strong breeze. Her ever so slight blonde peach fuzz barely visible in the sun. She coyly spreads her legs, appearing to be nonchalant but secretly enjoying the gazes of the horny boys who have gathered around her. Her nipples are pointed skywards, partly from the cool breeze but mostly from the thought of every male for fifty yards staring at her young naked perfection. She turns over and adjusts her towel on the sand, knees on the towel, elbows on the ground, and her heart-shaped ass thrust up in the air just a little too much, revealing her puffy labia and pink anus. Her perfect full breasts hang down and jiggle slightly from the motion as she pretends to smooth out the towel. She lies down again on her back and spreads her knees far apart with the heels together, as if her only motivation were to tan the insides of her thighs. She drapes a light cloth over her face, which serves a dual purpose: it keeps her face cool but also encourages the growing crowd of boys around her to stare unabashedly at her pussy, knowing that she won't be able to see them gawking lewdly while their rock hard cocks press into the sand longing for release. She drifts off into a brief nap and awakens to find that the boys have moved closer to her, some within five yards. A few are sitting crosslegged, naked and casually stroking their cocks, their eyes fixed on her pussy so intently they don't notice she is now awake and can see them by peeking through the light cloth. She pretends to continue sleeping and absent-mindedly touches her pussy as if to brush off some sand. Her fingers tug at her vulva, spreading apart her pussy lips to reveal the moist inner labia and her engorged clit before returning her arm to her side. Once spread her pussy lips stay slightly open, revealing the amazingly pink inner flesh. She drifts back to sleep, dreaming of baiting a few scam artists as wave after wave of orgasm cascades over her body and she shudders in pure bliss.

Re:Scambaiting on the nude beach (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630668)

She drifts back to sleep, dreaming of baiting a few scam artists as wave after wave of orgasm cascades over her body and she shudders in pure bliss.

Seems on topic to me..

Re:Scambaiting on the nude beach (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631162)

Hey!! I call overuse of a good troll, now you've ruined the damn thing! It was quite funny with an Android phone, but baiting???

I can assure you, the job they're doing, whilst it looks funny and easy from where we're sat, is difficult, very draining and very noble.

To the scambaiters, it's probably (usually) the complete opposite of sexy, although sometimes they can get people to silly things with their genitals, but I argue that that isn't really sexy either!

Anyway, I now await my usual mod-bomb. 3...2...1...

Thanks /. - Home of the Nice Trolls :P

Too good to be true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630616)

No one can be this stupid - not even scammers.

Re:Too good to be true (1)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631432)

Oh yes they can! Because no matter how stupid the scammers, there is always someone more stupid to actually scam.

My lovely dear (4, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630622)

I am intrigued by your offer, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Before I do so, I must inform you that I am the deposed son of a deceased diplomat, and I would like to enlist your aid in moving the sum of $12 million out of my country from a secret account. Please reply (and subscribe me to) dearlyloaded@hotmail.com. Yours in Faith, Balatruyiah Malkorurtink

Re:My lovely dear (5, Funny)

symes (835608) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630826)

God bless you dearest Balatruyiah - my fellow church members and I are delighted to help someone so neady at their time of greatest nead. I will send our account information as soon as you can confirm you are wearing the needed stockings, suspenders and rubber chicken. When you take the photos please do ensure you have "humped in heaven" written across your brow so we know it's you.

Re:My lovely dear (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30632102)

How about a answer to this one I recently got in a email.

Dear Friend,

I Am Mr.Leonard Clement the Manager, Bills And Exchange at the Foreign Remittance Department in a Bank. Actually, I have a very urgent & confidential Business Proposition for you & for our overall mutual interest. On the 6th of March 2001, our Customer, an American National, late Douglas J. Stone, an Oil Merchant / Contractor with the Federal Government of Nigeria, deposited, a valued amount of USD32Million in my branch. Upon maturity,I sent a routine notification to his forwarded address but got no reply.

After a month we sent a reminder, & finally we discovered from his contract employers NNPC, that late Douglas J. Stone ,until his death eight years ago in a ghastly terrorist attack to American Airlines Flight 11, from Boston, Massachusetts, to Los Angeles, California, crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center (WTC) with 86 people on board. All occupants of the Aero plane unfortunately lost their lives. On further investigation, I found out that he did not leave a WILL and all attempts to trace his Next of kin were fruitless.

I therefore made further investigation and discovered that late Douglas J. Stone , did not declare any Next of kin in all his official documents. This sum USD32Million is still floating in the bank and the interest is being rolled over with the principal sum at the end of each year. No one will come forward to claim it. According to Nigerian Laws, at the expiration of 9years, the money will revert to the Ownership of the Nigerian Government if nobody applies to claim the funds. Consequently,my proposal is that i will like you as a foreigner to stand in as a Next of kin of late Douglas J. Stone . This is simple. All I require is your honest and co-operation to enable us see this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. I will want you to send to me on your return email the following information for the transfer in your !favor.

1.Your full names as the Beneficiary of the Fund:
2. Your contact address:
3.Your private phone and fax number:

Let's consider that our ratio of sharing will be as stated Thus;

1. I as the Originator of the Fund will take 50% of the transferable Fund.
2. You as the Manager of the Fund will take 50% of the transferable fund.

Most importantly, CONFIDENTAILITY as what I saw as the life wire to the success of the transfer of this Fund must have to be emulated between you and me.

You have to use this media to promise me that you will not in anyway expose the content of this transaction to anybody be it your Friends, Colleagues and Co-Workers.I will also want you to send your reply to this email (leoclement10@sify.com) as soon as you get this mail to enable us discuss on the modalities and processes for success of this transaction.Thanks for your anticipated cooperation and understanding.I wait for your kind response.
Thanks And Remain blessed.

Mr.Leonard Clement

Re:My lovely dear (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631338)

You're REALLY asking for it, aren't you?

Get dressed, you know what the man wants to see! I suggest something simple for a change, a tuxedo, black tie, top hat. Your superhero name will be "Prez's grave digger".

419 Scams are named for their law they break (4, Informative)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630630)

They're technically breaking their local law by running these scams... but they're one of the leading industries so the government can't afford to shut them down. Since there's no hope you finding them if you go there so they feel safe from you, and certainty that they'd be arrested if they come here so you're safe from them finding you... let the fun and games begin.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (5, Insightful)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630976)

An obvious scam the government can't afford to shut down because of the taxes it brings in? We have one of those too ... its called the tobacco industry.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631026)

One? I count several.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1, Insightful)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631252)

Come on AC, at least tell us what they are. I'll give you another few, which may or may not be relevent in your jurisdiction:

Alchohol, it's worse for you than marijuana but heavily taxed and therefore relied upon;

Cocaine (CIA), see Alchohol

Any form of pre-paid telecommunications, - Capitalism used to mean that we get more for cash down, not less! Now there are people (like me) who dont have the steady income for a debit card, but do have the income for phone contracts and bundled minutes but who are forced to squander many times the amount that contract holders pay, cos they won't sign you up for a bundle of minutes, decent internet package (ie > 1Gb / month) or anything else contract-related, without a debit card. Even if you have a lump sum with you and ID in their store, no sorry, to get a contract you need a debit card.

If you are in the UK and you think you know different, I need a decent comms contract pre-paid, I have my own HSDPA handset, I need decent internet and a bundle of minutes for NO MORE THAN 5p each God they gouge you all of them at 35p why is no body else kicking off about this like me? Have you all got debit cards? Am I the exception? Or have other intelligent, but poor people fallen through the gaps in digital divide??? God, I have webservers, I have domains, I even have a company but can I get cheap calls like everyone else? No cos I'm not 9 to 5 so I cant have a debit card.

And yes, this is a rant but it is EXTREMELY insightful, nobody else is saying any of this and I'm telling the truth, albeit in a slightly ranty way this affects me every second of my life at the moment. I AM MORE POOR BECAUSE I HAVE TO PAY UPFRONT. I will repeat my original assertion- cash down is supposed to give me more in return than cash lent to me, but it's going the other way thanks to banks and debit cards, and lack of access to them.

And, no, neither is it offtopic. It's a direct response to the parent, which is a direct response to that parent, which is a reply to an ontopic root post.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (0)

KGIII (973947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631984)

And yes, this is a rant but it is EXTREMELY insightful

No, not really. It might be insightful to say that people who tend to think their thoughts are insightful are generally wrong and typically off topic but that's a story for another day. ;)

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632392)

No, bighead, you know you are insightful when a fact like this exists which nobody else has figured out. It isn't offtopic, and what makes the statement of fact above wrong?

What is said above can be PROVEN, it happens and my other post below is my EXACT experience with VODA.

I have this stuff on record, that we were ready to deal with them and had the transfer and number ready etc. but stopped at last post by lack of debit card.

So kiss it, troll. God, what I wouldn't give to see you modded into oblivion for what you said - you are shady person i think you can see how upset i am and that this genuinely winds me up and thought you'd make it worse because you have nothing better than you.

Anyway, soon the "dont mess with webmistressrachel ACs will arrive and cook you, troll! I don't even have to do it myself, I have an army of fanbois on here and GOD your comment is so shallow and dumb why am I even still typing???

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

easyTree (1042254) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632188)

If you are in the UK and you think you know different, I need a decent comms contract pre-paid

Try Vodafone's sim-only rolling 30-day contracts [vodafone.co.uk] ... (ensure that 'pay monthly' and '30 days' (only) are checked)

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

webmistressrachel (903577) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632340)

No, sorry, debit card only. Dude, you didn't even proceed to checkout did you? And you haven't been through the following:

They do have packages I'd like, and my company went with them for a BIG contract, which I procured. When I left the board, I was given the MAC codes to take the number I was using (an impressive one with loads of doubles in it) and start a new Voda contract for myself. I had £100 ready for deposit, because no debit card.

Voda's only problem, after many hours of customer support for me and colleagues too, was that I didn't have a debit card. Yes, fine, you can pay by BACS but you still need the debit card to verify your identity. But what about my birth cert., my bank card, my statements? blah blah no sorry "terrorism". This is true, check it out.

I'm not trolling here, I really am suffering due to this barrier. Anybody will to offer a third-party deal? I need the £20 unlimited broadband on the £25/month,300 minute deal. And I can pay for the damn thing lol They even advised me to get a friend to do it!!!

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631082)

Not to mention that giant ponzi scheme commonly referred to as "The banking industry."

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631390)

Dude...in the US it's called "Social Security"

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (4, Interesting)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631328)

Tobacco? You're out of date and out of touch. 3 decades ago, tobacco was one of the biggest scams in the US. Today? Not much. They deliver precisely what they say, without being overly hyped. Scam? They tell you right on the package, "This shit can kill you!" How is that a scam?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/scam [thefreedictionary.com]

scam [skæm] Slang
n
a stratagem for gain; a swindle
vb scams, scamming, scammed
(tr) to swindle (someone) by means of a trick

My recommendation for you, is reading comprehension 101. Somewhere, you've failed.

Today, the biggest scams involve the defense industry, diet foods and drinks, pharmaceuticals, insurance, and the "War on Terra" along with the "War on Drugs". Please, don't allow your obsessive/compulsive hatred of tobacco confuse you.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

Tolkien (664315) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632036)

The tobacco industry actively argues against the fact that their products cause cancer despite the warnings they are legally obligated to place on the packaging. The only reason I don't believe it's a scam is because the government has regulated the hell out of it instead of shutting it down.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632086)

with the "War on Drugs". Please, don't allow your obsessive/compulsive hatred of tobacco confuse you.

Tobacco should be a schedule I drug [wikipedia.org] , everyone who posses the tiniest amount ought to feel the full wrath of the war on drugs brought down on them. But they don't, because of the scam.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (4, Insightful)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632242)

Horse Shit.

There should be no schedule 1 drugs, or schedule 2, or any other schedule. Prohibition gained this country nothing but rum-runners and armed gangs in the 1920's, and the war on drugs has gained us the same thing since the 1940's. Prohibition is for morons, fools, and zealots - and there is no proven method to separate the groups.

Prohibition has not only killed tens of thousands of American citizens, it is today killing thousands of Mexican citizens, and destroying the poor excuse for a government that they enjoy.

Legalize and/or decriminalize drugs, let the potheads and crack addicts have all they want. Can't you hear Darwin? "Those fools have nothing to offer society anyway - let them kill themselves!"

If John Q. wants to blow 10 kilos of cocaine, LET HIM!! It's his right to die from an overdose if that's what he wants to do. Stop wasting resources on keeping him alive, just so we can persecute him for being a coke fiend!

As for my caffeine and nicotine addictions, I'll deal with them myself, in my own good time. I'll stop smoking some day. Probably the day the doctor pronounces me dead. And, it's none of YOUR business.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632280)

There should be no schedule 1 drugs, or schedule 2, or any other schedule. Prohibition gained this country nothing but rum-runners and armed gangs in the 1920's, and the war on drugs has gained us the same thing since the 1940's. Prohibition is for morons, fools, and zealots - and there is no proven method to separate the groups.

Well I agree with that, but as long as there is a schedule I, tobacco fits the bill and it should be on that list, but it isn't, and that's a scam.

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (4, Informative)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631064)

While it appears that for some reason this scene is dominated by Nigerian scammers, they don't always operate out of their own country. Amsterdam and London are popular bases for these scammers and they get arrested there all the time, sometimes with the help of Nigerian police. Amsterdam cops bust 419 ring, arrest 52 [silicon.com]

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631354)

Mostly they're just the "executive" branch of the op. They're there to cash in the Western Union transfers and do other errands. They're the ones that are most exposed and thus easiest to catch.

It's a bit like cashing in the street dealers and calling it a major sting against organized drug crime...

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631076)

Since there's no hope you finding them if you go there so they feel safe from you,

Seems to me that the most succesful of the scammers - the ones that you hear about once or twice a year fooling some sucker into sending hundreds of thousands of dollars ought to be very concerned because it should be comparatively cheap to higher a couple of soldier-of-fortune types to go hunt them down and extract some of that money or a few pounds of flesh. The trick is make sure your soldier-of-fortune types aren't just scammers of another breed themselves...

Re:419 Scams are named for their law they break (2, Interesting)

tburkhol (121842) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631186)

They're technically breaking their local law by running these scams... but they're one of the leading industries so the government can't afford to shut them down.

The scammers are breaking the law in most countries. The moniker "419" refers to a section of the Nigerian fraud code which basically says it's OK to scam a scammer. This allows the scammer to trick the victim into a minor fraud, such as claiming to be a friend or relative of a deposed Nigerian finance minister, or providing bribe money, and thus make the scammer immune to civil or criminal prosecution.

Ob-wikilink [wikipedia.org]

Corrections from a scambaiter (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631924)

As a retired scambaiter, I'd like to address a few issues.

They're technically breaking their local law by running these scams... but they're one of the leading industries so the government can't afford to shut them down.

Actually, it's more about the culture. The government does take action against the scammers but a large part of the population supports them since, sadly, their culture is such that it's admirable, if you can earn (lots of) money without working. It is a sign of being smart and that's why scammers are sometimes referred to as "sharp men".

Since there's no hope you finding them if you go there so they feel safe from you, and certainty that they'd be arrested if they come here so you're safe from them finding you... let the fun and games begin.

Another mistake. The Nigerian scammers operate all over the world and in particular in Bangkok, Berlin, Amsterdam, Houston and London. Quite a few times, we have been able to supply the local police with information, which has lead to arrests and a couple of times, a local scambaiter has had the opportunity to come along. Photographs from arrests have been more satisfying than any of these "trophies". I'm not familiar with other forms of "vigilante justice" (if that's what scambaiting should be called) but I do think that the extent of cooperation we've gotten from the police is quite remarkable.

Whilst this is the funny side of baiting and the one which attracts publicity to these scams (which is one reason why we do this), there is a much more serious side to it as well but fewer baiters are involved with that.

Link Dead (1)

darthdavid (835069) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630632)

Looks like the linked is /.ed...

Re:Link Dead (2, Funny)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630638)

Let's make a 10-page graphic novel and talk about it on /.! That's sure to make a profit... for our web host!

Perfect! (0, Redundant)

HatRoot (875638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630676)

So much WIN!!! :)

Slashbaiting (5, Funny)

lucm (889690) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630688)

> Scambaiting is a fun and relaxing full-contact email sport. It's all about baiting Internet and email scammers into exposing themselves and sharing that humiliation with the entire world.

Slashbaiting is even better: have someone posting a mildly funny story to generate trafic for their website, only to make their web server go down in flames in only a few minutes of exposure on Slashdot.

("Yes Mr Advertiser, I got 200k visitors on my website last January. 199,997 of them between 5h and 5h10 on Jan 3, but still...").

Re:Slashbaiting (4, Insightful)

Registered Coward v2 (447531) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631016)

Nurse Nasty is one of the regulars at 419eater.com, I doubt if they did this to generate traffic. The more peopel know about 419 fraud and the various methods used to scam people, the better. Even learning simple things, like why a check "clearing" doesn't, in the US at least, mean it is a good check; and may prevent soemone from being a victim.

You'd be surprised how many people aren't aware of how scams work. I ran into someone selling his bike; he had received a "money order" for the purchase, shipping, and an "opps, I sent to much please send me a Western Union money order for the overage less an a extra $200 for your troubles" overage. I explained to him that it probably was a classic overpayment fraud and either take the MO to his bank or police station and explain his concerns; or to simply send an email saying deal's off bank won't take your MO and tear up the MO. Either way, he was saved from a very expensive mistake.

Re:Slashbaiting (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631084)

And exactly how does Nurse Nasty's comic "get the message across"? All I see is some self-congratulation at the expense of some Nigerians

Re:Slashbaiting (2, Informative)

BertieBaggio (944287) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631898)

RTFSite. The 419-baiters take time and money from the scammers, which slows them perpetrating *real* scams.

Also, they make the scammers more paranoid about the next responder, which is wonderfully poetic.

Re:Slashbaiting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30632122)

The more peopel know about 419 fraud and the various methods used to scam people, the better.

That's your opinion. I'd rather see greedy dip shits learn things the hard way. If stupid people weren't having their hands held through life then maybe there wouldn't be so many stupid people?

Racism on display (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630696)

we all hate the scammers and the spammers, but linking to this kind of hateful crap is beyond the pale.

Re:Racism on display (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630754)

I know, isn't it *awesome*? It gives us white/yellow/covered in shit colored people all the more reason to laugh at retards from the comfortable position of our living rooms.

Re:Racism on display (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631676)

If white people were as stupid as the nigger scammers, they'd be doing the same shit with them too. As it stands, only niggers are that dumb. The reverse scammers don't do the selection, the idiots self-select.

Internet Justice, (3)

yanguang (1471209) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630712)

never fails.

Who are the victims? (5, Insightful)

symes (835608) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630714)

Sometimes I wonder if those Nigerians willing to engage in these scams are not just the poor and desparate foot soldiers of someone far more nasty... people who are caught in poverty and desparation can do strange things when offered a glimmer of a reward. Now what would be funny is if the 419eater people went and scambaited the Somali pirates. Now that would be worth watching.

Re:Who are the victims? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630794)

omgz but i wanted my moral highground while being an assholez!

Re:Who are the victims? (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630798)

that only makes the case stronger to waste their time and keep them from real victims and making more money.

Re:Who are the victims? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631350)

Waste your own time you mean. Those 'real victims' are greedy and stupid. You can't protect those from themselves. Scam baiting doesn't solve that in any measurable way.

Re:Who are the victims? (1)

0100010001010011 (652467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632330)

419 E-mails are clearly going for greed. But I know quite a few older people who have almost fallen for the craigs list "I'm on vacation" scam.

Does anyone know any Nigerian that I can post in my ads that basically say "I'm not interested, don't even try?" I found some stuff or 419 eater alluding to how the guy was conceived and what stable his mother was in, after I sent it to him things stopped rather quickly (after a long list of broken english obscenities.)

Re:Who are the victims? (4, Insightful)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630850)

Not quite. The 419'ers are proof of how technology and persistence can move people from the lower middle class to the upper middle class.

Re:Who are the victims? (1, Funny)

SD-Arcadia (1146999) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631254)

What they do is merely an up-to-date trick of the tradeless. Beggars, hobos, petty thieves with an internet connection. A criminal enterprise ofcourse, but reverse-baiting them in vigilante fashion just reeks of classism and racism. I don't find it not much funnier than putting monopoly bills in a beggar's can.

Re:Who are the victims? (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631376)

Erh... no. It's like carrying monopoly money in your purse so the next thief gets nothing but colored paper instead of money.

To make sure you see the difference between beggars and thieves: Beggars ask you for money. Thieves trick you into giving it to them. The difference is that in one case it's your free decision.

Re:Who are the victims? (1)

b4upoo (166390) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631034)

There are plenty of spamers located right here in the US who need some serious behavioral corrections.

Re:Who are the victims? (2, Insightful)

jonadab (583620) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631108)

> Sometimes I wonder if those Nigerians willing to
> engage in these scams are not just the poor and desparate

On the contrary, they have internet access on a regular basis. This pretty much implies that they are necessarily upper-class, by local standards. (This is not entirely the same thing as being upper-class by American standards, granted. But it's a *long* way from being the poor and the desperate.) Additionally, poor people in Nigeria would never have been able to put together some of those costumes. Also, they wouldn't have cameras to take the photos.

Re:Who are the victims? (3, Informative)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631306)

From the 419eater.com letters archive:

For the most part these criminals are not, "poor people trying to scratch a living", but are very prosperous compared to their law-abiding countrymen, and many operate in highly organised, and highly successful criminal gangs. Millions of dollars are stolen on a DAILY basis, with absolutely no thought given to victims, who are losing vast amounts of money, homes, relatives, jobs and worse. Contrary to popular belief, it is not just "greedy & stupid people" that fall for these scams.

Re:Who are the victims? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631310)

Obviously you have no idea who the Somali pirates are either...

*sigh*

scam baiting 9/11 metaphor (0)

stimpleton (732392) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630738)

Honestly, scam baiting these guys is an undesirable consequence. Just as 9-11 gave us color coded alert charts and increased duct tape sales, baiting them is not productive to your time.

Look, I am not some bleeding heart liberal, but look at it from the other end, the ones in the pics may not be the actual ring-leaders, they could be just the recipients from the bosses directive to "staff" to "do what this email says", just as we get told to "go and sort out the General Managers Mobile Phone Internet connection".

I envisage a scenario similar to drug running - a few direct simple vulnerable or desperate folk to do silly things, where mostly we assume benefits outwiegh costs(lost drugs).

In the scammers case, the boss wouldnt give two shits if someone spent a day dressing up to do what an email asked.

Re:scam baiting 9/11 metaphor (1)

rich_r (655226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631086)

Honestly, scam baiting these guys is an undesirable consequence. Just as 9-11 gave us color coded alert charts and increased duct tape sales, baiting them is not productive to your time.

But it's fun!

Re:scam baiting 9/11 metaphor (3, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631156)

In the scammers case, the boss wouldnt give two shits if someone spent a day dressing up to do what an email asked.

Making it funny it raises awareness of the scam. Raised awareness of the scam means more resistance to the scam.

Re:scam baiting 9/11 metaphor (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631412)

Look, I am not some bleeding heart liberal, but look at it from the other end, the ones in the pics may not be the actual ring-leaders, they could be just the recipients from the bosses directive to "staff" to "do what this email says", just as we get told to "go and sort out the General Managers Mobile Phone Internet connection".

Yes, most likely. Did I ask them to join the ring and do I feel bad when he gets kicked out because he got reverse-scammed into believing me? No. Did I ask a chinese goldspammer to work for $goldseller and feel bad when he gets fired 'cause I got him banned? No. Do I feel bad when I rat out that poor idiot selling dope on the street? No.

I'm well aware that these are probably the only way for some people to support themselves, but my liberal heart stops bleeding when this entails hurting other people and cheating them out of money.

OMMFG. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630742)

Shame on you /., posting this shit. The comic plumbed heretofore unplumbed depths of shittiness. I can't believe I wasted the time waiting on that shit to load. DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME READING THESE "COMICS". They make pre-teen fan-fiction look like classic literature. What complete and utter shit. A new low for a slash story. Jesus fucking christ. Sure, moderators, mark this -7 Troll, but it's still not as bad as the OP.

Re:OMMFG. (1, Troll)

jackd (64557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630766)

Argh, no mod points when I need them. Someone mod up parent. I just waited fucking 10 minutes for this piece of stinking turd to load.

Re:OMMFG. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630816)

You could've easily stripped off the photobucket URLS from the links in those 10 minutes:

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/nursenasty/mugu_x/PAGE001.jpg [photobucket.com]
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/nursenasty/mugu_x/PAGE002.jpg [photobucket.com]
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o6/nursenasty/mugu_x/PAGE003.jpg [photobucket.com] ...etc... just increment to 009

It's still shit though.

Re:OMMFG. (3, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631420)

Erh... you might not have noticed that the fact that this is strung together as a "comic" is not the main focus of the whole ploy. Or, in other words, it's not the comic that is awesome. It's awesome that the person creating it managed to trick scammers into posing in such a way that they could be used for a comic.

The actual comic images (1, Informative)

FooSoft (1150437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630750)

racist (-1, Troll)

RockModeNick (617483) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630858)

Has ANYBODY noticed that these are fairly creepy and somewhat racist images?

Re:racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630882)

Has ANYBODY noticed that these are fairly creepy and somewhat racist images?

No. The website isn't working! :)

Re:racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630884)

Those images were taken from the scammers supposedly by the scammers themselves. They did it in order to comply with the requests put forth by the potential victims of their scam in order to make the payment. Read the rest of the site.

Just because the scammers are deep down greedy idiots doesn't mean that the pictures registering their idiocy is racist.

Re:racist (5, Insightful)

Donkey_Hotey (1433053) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630892)

Has ANYBODY noticed that these are fairly creepy and somewhat racist images?

Just curious--if they were white Europeans, would you be asking the same question?

Re:racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630900)

Has ANYBODY noticed that these are fairly creepy and somewhat racist images?

Just curious--if they were white Europeans, would you be asking the same question?

would they be writing about watermelon helmets?

Re:racist (1)

ta bu shi da yu (687699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631458)

Nope, probably something stereotypically white.

Re:racist (1)

Tanktalus (794810) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631742)

Do the guys pictured in this article [wordpress.com] look black to you? (Ok, a couple of them are harder to tell.) In Canada anyway, we don't associate watermelon hats with Blacks. We associate them with Saskatchewanites. Saskatchewenians. Saskatchew... People from Saskatchewan.

And, with racism in Canada not being measurable when compared to the Deep South of the US, I guess you could call this our version of racism.

Re:racist (1)

jonadab (583620) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631130)

Those costumes would be ridiculous no matter who wore them. Which was, I think, the point.

The people who do this (I mean the people with far too much time on their hands wo do the baiting) aren't making fun of them for being black. They're making fun of them for being gullible and greedy. Honest law-abiding Nigerians who don't try to scam people are not vulnerable to this kind of baiting.

Not that that makes the thing a *worthwhile* endeavor. As I said, the baiters have *far* too much free time. One of their teachers should assign them some homework, or something.

But I've got no sympathy for the baited scammers. If they don't like it, they can stop running illegal scams that give their whole country a bad name.

Re:racist (1)

skirmish666 (1287122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630922)

Creepy sure. Racist? Maybe if they were impersonating a member of another race for comedic value. Oh wait, one of them was...

Re:racist (1)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630962)

I can't say as I see racism. Yes it taking a rather direct stab at a bunch of coloured people from a poverty stricken country, but it isn't having a go because they are coloured but because they are fraudsters (well, they are attempting to be fraudsters) and stupid enough to fall for that shit. I'm sure the effect would be much the same no matter what racial/social/other grouping was involved.

Having said that, I find myself seriously doubting that recent 419eater reverse scams are true. This one in particular. It is just too far - I can't see even the most thick and desperate scammer not picking up on the fact that the piss is being taken in industrial quantities.

Does anyone else find themselves considering that "Hello Mr Black African, I'll pay you and some friends $X to send me some photos of you all looking stupid so I can use them to massage my e-penis and try look clever" would not require a large value for X in order to get the mark interested? Even that wouldn't be racism, to go back to the original point I replied to - the people most likely to take a small X for such a thing while still having some access to the Internet in order to take part are more likely to be black Africans or a similar populace (where there is much poverty, but relatively reliable access to Internet resources via charity/government funded education programs) than, say, western Europeans (less poverty) or rural Chinese (little easy access to the tech). Gross exploitation, yes, but not racism (at least not directly - maybe people would be less willing to laugh if the nationality and/or skin-tone of the targets was one they cared more for).

Re:racist (1)

bothwell (1272132) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631154)

"maybe people would be less willing to laugh if the nationality and/or skin-tone of the targets was one they cared more for"

I doubt that, tbh - people generally mock fraudsters and scammers without prejudice to anything else about them. Rest of your post is spot-on, though.

Re:racist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30632024)

Having said that, I find myself seriously doubting that recent 419eater reverse scams are true. This one in particular. It is just too far - I can't see even the most thick and desperate scammer not picking up on the fact that the piss is being taken in industrial quantities.

When I began scambaiting, I often wondered how the fuck it was done but nowadays, I'm not all that suprised. First of all, scambaits take a long, long time and when a scammer has been corresponding with a "victim" for a year or so, they are willing to believe almost anything, if they think that payday has finally arrived. A number of baits are first run by baiter bots and only when a scammer has been corresponding with one for months, does a human baiter start playing with the scammer.

Re:racist (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631436)

They're creepy and they're belitteling, demeaning and outright insulting pictures. That's part of the idea. Not because these people are black, but because these people are scammers. That they're black is simply quite logically considering they come from a country where most people are.

I'm quite sure they'd be just as belittling, demeaning and insulting if the scammers were white, yellow or polka dotted red and blue. It's not fun because they're black. It's fun because they tried to trick people out of money and got exposed and publically humiliated for being criminals. Not for being black.

Define baiting (5, Insightful)

hwyhobo (1420503) | more than 4 years ago | (#30630894)

Have we just been baited into reading crap for no good reason? Does that qualify as scam? Scam baiting? Or Baiting scam?

Re:Define baiting (1)

Odin's Raven (145278) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631712)

Have we just been baited into reading crap for no good reason? Does that qualify as scam? Scam baiting? Or Baiting scam?

Either way, one thing we can be sure of is that the author is a master baiter.

<cricket chirps/>

Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal!

confused (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30630914)

so you're trying to promote your unfunny comic about baiting scammers by spamming it all over the place?

Shouldn't this be in idle? (3, Informative)

AniVisual (1373773) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631030)

Not newsworthy. Not newsworthy at all.

Re:Shouldn't this be in idle? (1)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631446)

The comic itself probably isn't. Scamming is enjoying a high time and raising awareness to it certainly is newsworthy, though. If done in a way that entertains people (for whatever reason...) at least it gets heard instead of glossed over and forgotten.

Pathetic (0, Troll)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631056)

These people need to be severely beaten up... This is juvenile, pathetic and offensive on the most basic level. What kind of a person would do something like this? Yeah, the Nigerian scams are bad, but this is an order of magnitude worse. It makes me want to vomit.

On a more informative sidenote, the scammers have learned to use online translators, and if your email is on a country TLD, you might receive a machine-translated email. I recently got one from someone who portrayed themselves to be a bank employee from London. They even attached a photoshopped (well, more like MS-painted) ID card.

Re:Pathetic (2, Insightful)

Bluebottel (979854) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631564)

Offensive? The scammers lose some time and dignity if they get baited, nothing that will matter in a day or two. If they manage to scam someone that person might give away a large portion of their livelyhood.
A swedish man got scammed for about 800.000 SEK (roughly 120.000 USD) and the bank/police cant do anything about it. They prey on the weak and exploit them to the max, they deserve what they get.

Re:Pathetic (0, Troll)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631822)

Humiliating people is still humiliating people, one way or another. It doesn't matter if you do it to the world's greatest thief, killer or dictator, or to an employee of the big Nigerian scam boss (what, do you really think the dressed-up protagonists of the lame comic are the actual scammers?).

I know of people that go around town and take pictures of impoverished and mentally challenged individuals and then post them to a website to make fun of. That really isn't far from what the sad, pathetic forum griefer had done.

Re:Pathetic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30632160)

How is this an order of magnitude worse when the scammers have no problem killing their victims? I'm a retired scambaiter but when I was active, I read articles that were posted by fellow baiters from countries all over the world. There were cases where people had been tricked into traveling to Nigeria with their life savings in cash and then never heard of again. What exactly do you think happened to those people? Did they get the millions they were promised or did they suffer some other fate?

You could argue that the victims have been really retarded when falling for something like that but it's because of the psychological trap and the fact that usually in those cases there's some other tragedy behind already. The scammers send millions of messages and if one happens to land in the inbox of someone in desperate need of money (e.g. due to medical reasons), it means jackpot. At first, the scammers ask for small amounts and such victims believe that it's their lucky day but then the scammers ask for "just a little more to cover fee X that is still needed" and so on until the victim has sent them a substantial amount of money and at that point they're even more desperate to do anything to recover their losses. Sadly it usually means that they send everything they can scrape together - or worse, travel with it in cash.

Furthermore, there are scammers that claim to represent various charities. Any money sent to them, is effectively theft from the real charities. Is this an order of magnitude worse than that too?

We have had plenty of discussions about the ethics of baiting and I must say that you're really jumping to conclusions.

Re:Pathetic (1)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30632354)

Scamming the scammers makes *you* a scammer. End of story. If you enjoy making fun of people who aren't even behind the business but merely badly-paid employees, you need to rethink your moral grounds.

Don't steer the discussion over to the victims, this has nothing to do with them. What this story and what that forum post is about is simple, pathetic griefing. I could understand such things being amusing to teenagers, but not grown-up people. It's pathetic, it's insulting, it's bad.

I tried to talk to a scammer once (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631296)

He claimed to be a starving woman from East Uganda, I did a traceroute and, of course, he was from India. It went well for 2-3 rounds, but then everything fell apart when Gmail helpfully dunked all his new messages into the spam folder and I didn't see any of them.

De-peer and 419 disappears (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631500)

What I don't understand is that someone can download a copyrighted movie and get disconnected, yet there are literally hundreds of people in Nigeria doing this every day, yet we haven't de-peered that shithole of a country.

Nigeria has already demonstrated that they shouldn't be online, why do we allow them to take advantage of the stupid and trusting?

Re:De-peer and 419 disappears (4, Insightful)

SteveFoerster (136027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30631930)

Nigeria has already demonstrated that they shouldn't be online

I hope someone someday collectively punishes you and everyone you know for things a few people who live near you did so you can get a sense of how fair your suggestion is.

I don't believe it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30631820)

for a second.

fir5t 4ost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30632434)

As poosible? How fastest-growing GAY where it belongs, fucking surprise,
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