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Android Phone Demand Up 250%, iPhone Down

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the so-last-century dept.

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CWmike writes "A 'monstrous' jump in demand for Android-equipped smartphones has turned the market upside down, according to a retail pollster. Of the people who told ChangeWave Research in a mid-December survey that they planned to buy a smartphone in the next 90 days, 21% said they expected to purchase an Android phone. That number represented a 250% increase over the 6% that pegged Android as their mobile OS of choice when ChangeWave last queried consumers' plans in September. 'That change rivals anything that we've seen in the last three years of the smartphone market,' said Paul Carton, ChangeWave's director of research, adding that the sudden surge in consumer interest in Android had 'roiled' the market. 'This is an indication that Android has finally caught consumer interest,' added Carton, who cited the recent advertising campaign for the Motorola Droid smartphone as the reason why interest in Android has skyrocketed. Android's leap translated into good news for Motorola and HTC, the most prominent makers of Google-powered handsets, with the former reaping most of the benefit. Motorola's share of smartphone purchases in the next 90 days shot up from 1% in September to 13% in December. Carton tagged the company's Droid as the reason. '[It's] the first increase for Motorola we've seen in three years,' Carton said." Here is the ChangeWave report.

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Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (0, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648774)

I tried computing the percentage of Android-powered-phone sales growth since 2007, but I kept running into PosInf errors, whatever that means. Sorry. I'll try harder next time.

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30648826)

Yes... share growth is a useless metric for a new offering. Whats 350% of nothing? Still nothing. How about giving us the market share instead.

Of course!! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30648876)

Of course, it counts for nothing if it does not say good about iphone/apple. If it says anything bad about apple/iphone, let's switch to some other statistics which immediately puts iphone at the top.

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30648924)

Yes... share growth is a useless metric for a new offering. Whats 350% of nothing? Still nothing. How about giving us the market share instead.

Exactly AC. Who wrote that article, google?

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649294)

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Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649786)

Yes... share growth is a useless metric for a new offering. Whats 350% of nothing? Still nothing. How about giving us the market share instead.

I guess it's the ultimate embodiment of the "new is good" sentiment. The newer the better, and not-yet-released is so good it breaks your brain!

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (2, Informative)

GatesDA (1260600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649800)

The 250% increase is in "demand," not sales or market share. That is, how many people planning on buying a phone soon are planning on Android? This statistic is unrelated to market share, and is perfectly valid for both old and new offerings.

From the article, 21% were going for an Android phone, compared to 28% for the iPhone.

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (4, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649842)

From the article, 21% were going for an Android phone, compared to 28% for the iPhone.

For a brand new product vs an iconic powerhouse, that is little short of amazing.

Re:Android sales since 2007 are up ERROR%! (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649880)

They did give the market share. 21% in the surveys, 6% now. Is even reading TFS not fashionable now?

Googles-to-Apples Comparison (0, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648860)

Isn't the "fastest growing" anything usually in last place?

Umm... (1, Insightful)

E IS mC(Square) (721736) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648904)

Like Mac in the desktop/laptop/netbook market? Or like Safari in browser market?

Re:Umm... (1)

Thinboy00 (1190815) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649774)

Like Mac in the desktop/laptop/netbook market? Or like Safari in browser market?

Mac hasn't entered the netbook market (yet).
In the other two, Mac is far ahead of Linux, which is relatively far ahead of BSD, which is relatively far ahead of Solaris, which... you get the picture.
Safari is ahead of Chrome^H^H^H Opera.

Re:Umm... (3, Informative)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649868)

Safari is ahead of Chrome^H^H^H Opera.

Not as of a few days ago. Chrome passed Safari in browser market share, according to digitaltrends.com.

Remember, that's a beta Google product vs Apple's flagship browser.

Safari isn't even the browser of choice for Mac users, for chrissake.

Re:Umm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649970)

Safari is ahead of Chrome^H^H^H Opera.

Not as of a few days ago. Chrome passed Safari in browser market share, according to digitaltrends.com.

Remember, that's a beta Google product vs Apple's flagship browser.

Chrome is not beta on Windows, which is where it has most of its users.

Re:Umm... (1)

bmecoli (963615) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649898)

Safari is ahead of Chrome^H^H^H Opera.

ChrOpera?

Not What We're Looking At (2, Insightful)

CritterNYC (190163) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649020)

The number that changed a lot was people who were planning to buy a new smartphone in the next 90 days. Of these, 21% said they prefer a phone running Android. (That's up from 6% in September.) 28% said they prefer an iPhone, down from 32% in September. Windows Mobile and Palm's percentages also shrank over the last 3 months.

Re:Not What We're Looking At (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649308)

Also, most likely, the number of people who are planning to get a smartphone at all is now notably higher than few months ago. At least I would expect that, with majority of people still having "feature phones" and getting gradually taken on the bandwagon of "smartphones". There is a place for growth for all players.

Re:Not What We're Looking At (2, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649620)

I'll bet the numbers reflect the "What it's not on the crappy AT&T network? sign me up!" more than what OS it's running.

Honestly, even non 3G service for just regular phone calls on AT&T lately has went from the normal crappy to utterly dismal even in good coverage places like Chicago.

Re:Not What We're Looking At (1)

fractoid (1076465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649848)

Of these, 21% said they prefer a phone running Android. (That's up from 6% in September.)

And the figures as you give them here are not at all misleading. However, in that context, it's much more useful to represent it as an increase of 15% of total market share. My guess is that it's just a case of 'sensationalism sells issues'.

Re:Googles-to-Apples Comparison (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649330)

That is a fair statement to make... sort of... usually.

But when Apple releases a NEW iPhone, the numbers will change again, especially if the next iPhone contains even more power, reliability or some feature that people have been begging for. Android is not a threat to iPhone "yet" but there is a chance that it could be one. Apple's iGadgets are in a class of their own and always have been. My saying this might make me sound like an Apple supporter or fanboy. I'm not. I have no use for Apple. But I have to acknowledge reality as I see it, and there it is.

But I think that people who are comparing Androids to iPhones and are finding that they can do more with the droids, functionality may well win over the brand recognition of Apple. I really don't feel confident enough to issue a prediction either way, but it is unquestionably an interesting market battle to watch.

Re:Googles-to-Apples Comparison (1, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649520)

As I joked about elsewhere... it's easy to get a positive infinite percentage of growth when you're starting at zero, you just need one. Apple has the most to lose right now because they have the largest share. The only other player in the survey to move up was Palm, and that was a mere 1% on the chart. Everybody else lost when Google moved in, which is kind of unavoidable because their percentage had to come from somewhere.

Why wasn't the graph in hard numbers rather than percents?

Re:Googles-to-Apples Comparison (0, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649644)

You give people too much credit.

If the next iphone is available in "DESIGNER COLORS" they will flock to it like lemmings off a cliff.

Now 5 people use em! (2, Funny)

Jonas Buyl (1425319) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648936)

That must mean Android sales skyrocketed from 2 to 7 users! :D

On a more serious note: I love Google products, if only they'd market them better they'd be at the top with the iPhone easily.

Re:Now 5 people use em! (4, Interesting)

brianosaurus (48471) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649510)

I'll preface this by saying I haven't used a Droid, or other 2nd-gen Android Phone. I did use a G1 for a little while, and from my experience no amount of marketing would have put it up with the iPhone. The interface was clunky and inconsistent. In particular there were 2 separate email apps built-in, one for Gmail and one for everything else, and they behaved differently. Battery life was abysmal at best. While the G1 has some advantages over the iPhone, it was not a usable smart phone unless you were tethered to a power supply. It reminded me very much of the Sidekick (which was developed by many of the same people as Android, and I owned 3 different versions of the sidekick), which notoriously over-promised and under-delivered every step of the way.

The first few releases of Android followed similar patterns. When I bought my iPhone 3G it did (almost) everything they advertised, and there wasn't hype about the next version until 6 months later. My brand new iPhone was the best iPhone one could get. When I got my G1, I was disappointed that it didn't have all of the cool features I had already been reading about in Android press releases and articles. Android marketing seems more about the "next" version, which makes the actual product seem dated before its even for sale.

I hope the new versions of Android devices are better, but those experiences have left me skeptical. I'll give them a look when my iPhone contract is up (next summer), but I'm not falling for the hype this time. If the product for sale doesn't have the features I want, I won't get it. I can't buy it hoping that they'll eventually deliver. I've been burned by that too many times.

I've been really happy with my iPhone 3G. When I got it, I knew I was giving up important features that I had on Windows Mobile, like the ability to shoot crappy video and an open development platform, but the iPhone mostly worked as promised (with a notable exception of Push Notifications, which did not show up until a year or so later with the 3rd generation of the OS). With the limitations of the iPhone (one app at a time is the most troubling), I'm certainly going to shop around before my next purchase, rather than automatically buy next summer's iPhone, but it will take more than slick marketing for Android to win my business (but I am pulling for them!).

Re:Now 5 people use em! (2, Insightful)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649896)

When I bought my iPhone 3G

So, you're comparing a third-generation iPhone with a first generation Android phone?

Re:Now 5 people use em! (3, Insightful)

gmhowell (26755) | more than 4 years ago | (#30650016)

When I bought my iPhone 3G

So, you're comparing a third-generation iPhone with a first generation Android phone?

From an engineering perspective, that's a fair criticism, but not from a marketing one. When I go into the respective stores, I have a choice between a third gen and a first gen product.

Re:Now 5 people use em! (4, Funny)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 4 years ago | (#30650034)

So, you're comparing a third-generation iPhone with a first generation Android phone?

What was he supposed to do? Borrow somebody's Delorean?

Re:Now 5 people use em! (1)

e2d2 (115622) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649546)

On a more serious note: I love Google products, if only they'd market them better they'd be at the top with the iPhone easily.

Me thinks someone has been under a rock for the past year. Are you in the US? I ask that seriously because Android is everywhere here. Pick a network, they have an Android phone. Even AT&T is supposedly getting one based on the Moto Cliq.

Sounds like real data to confirm the survey (5, Informative)

Suki I (1546431) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648960)

Motorola's share of smartphone purchases in the next 90 days shot up from 1% in September to 13% in December. Carton tagged the company's Droid as the reason. '[It's] the first increase for Motorola we've seen in three years,' Carton said."

The survey could mean lots of things without this bit of confirmation data. Sales are going in the same direction as the survey.

Re:Sounds like real data to confirm the survey (4, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649012)

So, why isn't the story about sales growth rather than the survey?

Imagine that! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30648978)

Two weeks or so before Google releases its Android based phone, forever changing the business that Google is in (hardware/handset + OS, not just search), and the short sighted ADD public are more interested in these new happenings than the status quo of the iPhone? I'm stunned. STUNNED I tell you...

I plan on writing a post after I write the subject (5, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30648984)

Notice that this wasn't a report of 250% sales growth... it was a report of 250% increase in a poll asking "What cell phone do you PLAN to buy?"... not quite the same thing.

Re:I plan on writing a post after I write the subj (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649042)

Probably, because that's what "demand" implies?

Re:I plan on writing a post after I write the subj (1, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649424)

No, if you "demand" something you want it right now. "Planning" isn't the same.

Re:I plan on writing a post after I write the subj (4, Insightful)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649582)

Probably, because that's what "demand" implies?

Maybe, but while opinion surveys can be interesting, they aren't very good indicators of actual behavior. If I asked 4,000 people whether they planned to buy a second Bible in the next 90 days -- for their children -- I bet a lot of people would answer yes. How many of them would actually go out and do it?

Part of "demand" in the economics sense is not just wanting something, but willingness to pay for something. It doesn't matter what people say; if nobody is actually buying a product, there's no demand.

It's also extremely important to understand the sampling method in a study like this (which is probably why so many of them neglect to discuss their methods). Where did the people surveyed come from? How was the sample selected? At random? How random? From the phone book? From a Web site? Were the participants self-selecting (i.e. you're only surveying people who were demonstrably interested to begin with)? Obtaining a representative statistical sample may not be a "science," as such, but it's darn close.

There are also such things as leading questions. What if the question on this survey wasn't phrased the way it's stated in the report? What if they just asked, "Who is your preferred smartphone operating system vendor: Apple, RIM, Symbian, Microsoft, or Google?" Apple fans would immediately say Apple; everybody else would say Google. The typical consumer doesn't realize that when you're asking them if they want a smartphone with a RIM OS, what you're really asking them is whether they want a BlackBerry. (And judging from my own, purely anecdotal survey -- looking around me when I'm waiting in line for something -- a lot of people do want one.)

Some people also answer "yes" to surveys because they're secretly hoping they will get something for free. Sometimes it's not so secret; what if everybody who participated in this survey got a $20 off coupon for any smartphone they wanted from Verizon. Which phone would they be thinking about while they did the survey?

They say "lies, damn lies, and statistics" because it's easy to make numbers say pretty much anything you want -- especially if you aren't sticking to sound statistical principles. In my experience, fly-by-night marketing firms seldom do. It doesn't pay the bills.

Don't Cry Assclown, No One Is Going To Take Away (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30650012)

your precious iPhone.

Stop spamming Slashdot with your damage control over the explosive growth of Android. Go back to quietly sobbing with your hipster friends at Starbucks.

Of course (4, Interesting)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649048)

Googles market model is better. Multiple phone designs on any carrier that will have them. It's really that simple. The design of the OS is better than iPhones competitors. Though, I do think the application openness is going to bite them in butt over the long term. Allowing background applications from any provider looks good on paper, but in practice is going to create a bot network.

If Apple went with all carriers who wanted them and released a handful of branded designs, it's sales would soar.

Re:Of course (-1, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649142)

Widget frosting beats direct sales... so that's how Red Hat got bigger than Microsoft. Hey, wait a minute!

Re:Of course (0, Offtopic)

drougie (36782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649506)

Mods, parent is right, LostCluster has five top level and debatably vapid comments and counting. It's bizarre, annoying, narcissistic and rude behavior often characterized as karma whoring and he should be called out on it. As for the guy who does that, especially one who's been around here longer than you, shouldn't be stung for it.

Re:Of course (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649328)

but in practice is going to create a bot network

How do you do that? That's amazing!

Re:Of course (3, Interesting)

rtb61 (674572) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649592)

Googles actual market model is to drive openness as that allows them easier access and prevents them from being locked out by proprietary control. The Android business strategy is about the disruption of proprietary controls be it Apple or M$. Oddly enough it is Apples iPhone success (break up of manufacturers proprietary operating systems or M$ dominance) that will drive Androids success, not really Google's, being open, once it is out there, it is out there.

Google is just endeavouring to shift the market to an position where it has had success competing.

Calm before the storm? (0, Troll)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649084)

Seems like they're attributing this to a Motorola add campaign for the Droid, while Apple hasn't been advertising the iPhone much lately. Apple has a trend of announcing new iPhone models in mid-January and right now we're in what time of year again?

Re:Calm before the storm? (1, Offtopic)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649116)

How many more top level comments (with next to zero content) are you going to make?

We all get that you love Apple sooooo much.

Re:Calm before the storm? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649204)

Suck it, mac fag

Re:Calm before the storm? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649218)

Don't you mean mid-June? I was in the market for a new phone last spring and it was all vapor and smoke about what, if any, "new" iPhone was coming out on the market.

I ended up gaming the system a little -- my wife went freelance and needed a new phone, so I bought an iPhone for myself and just got her a number with no contract and threw the sim card in an old RAZR.

When the 3GS came out, I got that with her contract/discount and gave her the 3G iPhone I'd had for about two months.

I'm sure I'll be annoyed with envy at the new shiny in June, but what the heck.

Re:Calm before the storm? (1)

shawnce (146129) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649404)

The original iPhone was announced in January 2007 but didn't get released until June 2007. The iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS got announced/released in June/July time frame in 2008 and 2009 respectively.

So the trend is to refresh the iPhone every year mid-year.

I doubt any iPhone hardware update with be announced in January given this trend.

Re:Calm before the storm? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649432)

Youll need more than hope to survive teh fucking n1 you fucking apple piece of shit fanboy THE NEXUS ONE WILL RAPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

Re:Calm before the storm? (0, Flamebait)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30650008)

Youll need more than hope to survive teh fucking n1 you fucking apple piece of shit fanboy THE NEXUS ONE WILL RAPE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

You're a disgusting trolling asshole, but since when it comes to being annoying I rate Apple fanboys somewhere between people who leave their mobile phones on in movie theaters and the cast of Jersey Shore, I'm inclined to agree with you.

Bring it on, please (1)

lpaul55 (137990) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649094)

I cannot wait to see, try, and then buy the Google Phone. I hope that the rumors are true.

What I would like even more would be the Google counterpart to the iPod Touch: the Android palmtop computer without the phone (but with the camera, please).

Re:Bring it on, please (2, Informative)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649340)

Creative Zii runs also under Android AFAIK, as do some Archos devices.

Verizon Had a Deal on the Droid Eris (1)

anukit (690580) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649108)

Verizon recently (end of December) had a deal to get a free Droid Eris with the purchase of a Droid. Perhaps those polled were aware of that deal.

Release Cycle (1)

joey_knisch (804995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649112)

Isn't apple basically mid release cycle on the current gen iPhone? I know, if I was considering getting an iPhone, I would probably just wait until the next version came out.

Re:Release Cycle (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 4 years ago | (#30650010)

Yes, but most people wont. Most people don't even know what that sentence means. That is what we care about, not the technical elite, but the average loser.

Alternative headline (3, Insightful)

dfsmith (960400) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649128)

"Desire for half-decent non-AT&T smartphone is less saturated than desire for AT&T iPhone by those who haven't already got one."

I think this finding is more related to that fact that the only half-decent smartphone is currently limited to iPhone on AT&T. (Sorry Blackberry/Palm/HTC---no lightsaber app means that you're less than half decent B-)

Re:Alternative headline (4, Interesting)

k_187 (61692) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649212)

Lightsabers (2, Funny)

dfsmith (960400) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649532)

"I feel a great disturbance in the Jobs, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly cut off."

Good finds!

Competition works (4, Interesting)

vvaduva (859950) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649174)

Imagine that! Competition works! If regulators would only get that through their heads...with enough time, consumers will win in the end as a result of competition.

Maybe Apple will finally get it through their heads and open up the iPhone for real development; doubt it though...

Re:Competition works (5, Insightful)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649544)

Maybe Apple will finally get it through their heads and open up the iPhone for real development...

Oh gawd, when are people going to get it. Just because it's important to you does not mean it's important to 99.99% of the other people out there. Hell, I'm a geek and it isn't important to me. Most people don't give a rat's ass about the iPhone not being an open platform. Hell, a vast, significant majority of people don't even know what an open platform is...

Except when markets fail (3, Insightful)

jonaskoelker (922170) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649564)

Imagine that! Competition works!

I hear that's why the US has such fast internet and cheap, reliable telephony service, both with excellent customer service of course, especially compared to the EU and Japan.

</sarcasm>

Sorry if I'm pushing it here. It's just striking to hear about the abuse US ISP and telecomms customers (apparently) have to put up with, compared to what I experience in Denmark.

On the other hand, your government isn't doing much better than failing markets. For instance, take a listen to a recent EconTalk episode about market failures and government failures at http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2009/12/winston_on_mark.html [econtalk.org]

In summary: it's the lobbyists.

If I recall correctly, the guest, Winston, only looked at government failure in the US. Extrapolating from there to government failure in general might be a wee bit hasty.

The really provocative statement would be that right-wingers don't get that government intervention is the right solution in theory, what left-wingers don't get is that it rarely works in practice, and the elephant in the room nobody is doing anything about is that the lobbyists screw up The Right Thing, making it Not The Right Thing, and so nothing works (as well as it could).

Re:Except when markets fail (3, Insightful)

vvaduva (859950) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649854)

Your examples are fallacious. Internet and telephone are heavily regulated in the U.S. worse yet, they are also monopolies (that's the exact opposite of a free market, where competition -- my original point -- exists). I lived in Europe too...for most of my life. Stuff is cheap there because landlines/telecom are often heavily subsidized by governments through high taxation.

I am not willing to pay $5 a month for a 100 meg line to the Internet and have 50% of my paycheck taken away. I will happily pay $100 a month for my fast connection...you pay for your own internet, wireless, etc.

Oh, and as far as "markets fail" - every market that failed in the US in the past 2 years or so was heavily subsidized and had marked government involvement. Throw in some examples if you have any, I am curious so see what un-regulated, un-subsidized private market failed?

Re:Competition works (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649568)

Apple designs a good phone and Google finally finds someone to rip it off properly, which will lead to Apple innovating more and Google and others eventually managing to rip them off properly again.

It is competition, but it's one of the weakest types -- competition by sheer undercutting the innovators in the market.

I am not surprised (1, Troll)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649182)

I often wondered what was so special about the iPhone. I have never got a satisfying answer.

One of the "features" I loathe about it is the fact that typical users including so called "light users" have to charge it daily. Insane...where is the time for such attention?

Re:I am not surprised (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649336)

What's so hard about plugging it in when you go to sleep? I've done that with every phone I've ever owned, because I like starting every day with a full charge. Once a month or so I let it run all the way down just to keep the battery exercised, but I've never seen it as a hardship to charge every night.

Re:I am not surprised (2, Insightful)

phallstrom (69697) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649382)

I don't want to have to remember to bring a charger when I visit the in-laws for the weekend or travel for a meeting. Unless I'm going somewhere for >4 days I can leave the charger at home.

Re:I am not surprised (1)

rinoid (451982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649484)

not with those background apps sucking processes boy! or that "live wallpaper" -- now that's some shiny battery draining tom foolery!

Re:I am not surprised (2, Insightful)

rinoid (451982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649496)

FWIW -- I've never had a phone battery last 4 days if the phone was in use at all. Not a chocolate bar, Nokia anything, RAZR, or Palm Treo.

Re:I am not surprised (1)

Ash-Fox (726320) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649904)

My Nokia 6310i lasted about three weeks at most, my Nokia E90 lasted about a week at most, my current phone, the 3skypephone lasts me a week at most.

Two days? Easy.

If I get another phone, I am considering the Nokia N900 or some Android based phone that is comparable in features and battery life.

Re:I am not surprised (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649386)

I often wondered what was so special about the iPhone. I have never got a satisfying answer.

The ability to see all of your voice mails without having to listen to them sequentially. You have a list, you can listen to any of them in any order. And you don't have to listen to them at all and still be able to delete them. - you can't do that with other services. That is why Apple is exclusive to ATT because the other carriers refused to do the necessary things to their systems to allow for that.

Some folks think that's worth the extra cost. Then there are the "it's a cool gadget" crowd who buy anything at any price - especially if it's made by Apple. BTW - the iPhone is made in China, Software designed and coded in India. Apple is just a design and marketing company now.

Re:I am not surprised (2, Informative)

cabarius (889899) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649746)

Huh? iPhone and Mac software is developed in Cupertino which last I heard is in California. If you don't believe me go to http://www.apple.com/jobs/us/corporate.html#software [apple.com] and see the locations of the job postings. Notice the large number are in Santa Clara Valley. Maybe in 2012 there will be a cataclysmic earth quake and we at apple will find ourselves in a new home.

Re:I am not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649974)

Software designed and coded in India.

Bullshit!

How them grapes taste?

Re:I am not surprised (2, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649394)

I sleep 6-8 hours a day and rarely use my iPhone while doing so. Like many clock radio these days, I got mine with an iPod/iPhone dock that charges it and/or plays music from it and it's sitting by my bed. It's really not that hard considering the utility it provides.

Re:I am not surprised (1)

broken_chaos (1188549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649430)

Insane...where is the time for such attention?

When you're asleep?

Though I agree that battery life could be much better, if people are indeed running into such problems so easily. My BlackBerry can go, during light usage (such as the just-past holiday!) for up to a week and a half on a single charge.

Re:I am not surprised (1)

drei22 (1026046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649508)

You wake up, unplug from power and use it all day. You take it home, plug it in at bed time and wake up to a fully charged phone. What's the problem?

Re:I am not surprised (5, Interesting)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649726)

The phone part of the iPhone is it's least appealing part. What makes the iPhone amazing is that it is a fully featured small computer with a ton of low-cost apps. I recently went to a trip to Budapest, Hungary. I downloaded apps which included an offline map of the city (so no data use), maps of the metro system, and an audio tourist guide. It was like having my own personal tourist guide. When back at the hotel I used Skype over wifi to call home cheap. Sure beat having a big clunky book + large foldout map that screamed "tourist please rob me". When the android has the apps the iPhone does, I will consider it.

Re:I am not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649754)

I often wondered what was so special about the iPhone. I have never got a satisfying answer.

One of the "features" I loathe about it is the fact that typical users including so called "light users" have to charge it daily. Insane...where is the time for such attention?

Might have as much to do with poor power control implementation on the UTMS/WCDMA and not really an iPhone issue directly. So maybe the daily charging is carrier specific.

Re:I am not surprised (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649908)

Because it makes you feel happy. So much of what a human is revolves around feeling, that if you ignore it, you are going to miss a lot.

A perfect example of how feeling trumps logic is your assertion that charging daily takes a lot of time and attention. In fact it only takes 30 seconds of attention in the evening to plug your phone in, it is not something that should logically seem like a problem, and yet somehow it has created this loathing inside of you. That doesn't make any sense at all, and yet it is real (note: this doesn't apply if you actually use your phone so much that you have to charge it three times a day, but that isn't a problem for typical users, the type you were referring to).

Re:I am not surprised (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649918)

I have to charge my HTC Eris daily. What's your point?

I just bought a Droid (5, Interesting)

plazman30 (531348) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649210)

I have a Macbook, Mac Mini and an iPod Touch, and I opted for a Droid. I think the #1 reason I went with the Droid was because it wasn't AT&T. But a close second was the fact that music was drag and drop and that it could run background apps. Overall, I am really please with the purchase. Ordered the multimedia dock today, so I can use it as an alarm clock.

Re:I just bought a Droid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649684)

You are an idiot. The iPhone has an order of magnitude more and better applications, it has a better user interface, its faster, more secure, more sleek and comes from a company that produces NOTHING but innovation. What does droid have to offer? Linsux and google. Yeah, you are an idiot.

Re:I just bought a Droid (0, Troll)

twoDigitIq (1352643) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649716)

I held out forever with a Razr and no smartphone. It wasn't a money issue, work offered to buy me an iPhone a long time ago. The wife (and damn near everyone else I know) has an iPhone. I've used them but never liked them. And the rampant fanboyism drove the last nail in Apple's coffin for me. (Seriously, you people and your blind freakin' loyalty just make me want to puke right after I nut-kick you.) I bought a Droid the day it was released and I'm, (how do I say it?) satisfied. It has a few fairly annoying shortcomings, and to be honest if the Nexus One was (rumored to be) available on a decent carrier here in the US I'd be kicking myself for not waiting a little longer for a better hardware/design package with the Android OS. Granted I'm surely not in the majority here, but I am pretty impressed with Android so far. I don't see the Droid (or any device currently forthcoming) as an "iPhone killer" but it certainly filled a niche with weird folks like me. I'm just glad there is a choice now and more choices to come. And no I never saw WinMo or Palm as a valid choice, had horrid experiences with both of em. Never tried a Blackberry though, might have been tolerable.

java/android sdk/eclipse programming howto (1)

drougie (36782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649228)

Could someone really quietly tell me the fastest crash-course kind of way to learn all of that before the development market gets saturated? A book that covers all three? It's .. it's for my friend who's never coded anything from scratch except for a PRE tagged section of a web page.

Absolute beginner? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649410)

Sorry, there is no "19 days to being an expert programmer" book for beginners. Those type of books are meant for people who already know how to program, and simply need to learn the syntax of a new language.

Re:java/android sdk/eclipse programming howto (2, Insightful)

east coast (590680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649614)

If you're not on top of the game before mainstream rags like Money start to cover the topic than you're already too late.

The deal with catching the wave of any technology is to be at your best as the wave starts to happen, to already be where the action is as it happens, not to look at it from the beach once it's already happening (read: nearly over) and wish you'd had grabbed your board and gave it a go.

Sorry guy, or guy's friend, you have to put in your hours before the market knows that what you're doings is a market. There is no fast path to success if you're building your own merchandise.

Re:java/android sdk/eclipse programming howto (1)

funkdancer (582069) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649866)

I'll let someone else cover Java & Eclipse, but for Android itself, I can recommend http://www.manning.com/ableson/ [manning.com] - I'm currently reading it and find it good. Keep an eye up for their deals - you can typically get up to 50% off (particularly on PDF versions) if you put yourself on their mailing list and just wait for their offers to tick in. :)

Newton's AAPL (3, Interesting)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649240)

Most of the people I've talked to who don't have iPhones say it's because they don't like Apple or the iPhone. Their reasons vary, here are some I've heard:
  • iTunes (DRM, iTunes library draconian sync restrictions, and what it takes to get ringtones on the iPhone are all reasons I've heard (you can't just pick an mp3 from your phone and make it a ringtone...))
  • Apple has succeeded in making itself look like the "rich snob's alternative" to the PC... probably because of the snarky "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" ads, and partly because of the next one,
  • Apple products carry a price premium that nobody can reasonably explain... you just pay more because it's an Apple.
  • The iPhone touch screen keyboard is cumbersome for a change from a tactile keyboard
  • No stereo bluetooth music transmission from the iPhone (and WHY not?)
  • iPhone is carrier specific for now.

I personally own an iPhone, and I like it.. despite the drawbacks. But I'm considering an Android phone next for some of the above reasons myself. I will weigh the pros and cons carefully and decide at the time -- if Polled, right now I might say that I'd get an Android phone next, if just because the idea is more appealing to me. This could be partly why interest in the iPhone is *potentially* waning... people see there are alternatives out there.

Re:Newton's AAPL (2, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649478)

Apple's price premium can easily be pointed to via their industrial design, which for Dell, HP, et. al. is mostly an afterthought. Combine this with OS X, Safari, iTunes, most of which is paid for by their hardware sales and an explanation for the premium is easily found. I even own a 2006 MacBook, and its easily paid for itself regardless of any premium.

That said, I got my first smartphone (if you can call it that) recently and went with the Nokia N900. Apple is good, but they can't cover -all- bases.

Re:Newton's AAPL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649608)

HP with the same specs as iMac costs 410.38 compared to the iMacs 899.01. No way is it worth THAT premium.

Re:Newton's AAPL (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649700)

iPhone has had stereo bluetooth since 3.0.

Re:Newton's AAPL (1)

tooslickvan (1061814) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649736)

Apple products carry a price premium that nobody can reasonably explain... you just pay more because it's an Apple.

You (the consumer) pay more because you (the consumer) are willing to pay more. If the the Driod proves to be real competition, then we'll see how Apple responds.

I'm not surprised (4, Interesting)

Ken Hall (40554) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649324)

My Verizon contract was up, and my family needed new phones. We ended up with 4 Android phones, 3 HTC Eris's, and a Droid. Verizon sold a LOAD of them over the holiday season, mostly due to rebates and discounts. The 4 phones, normally over $600 even with a contract, ended up costing me $200.

The first reseller we went to (after they were very helpful during our selection process) had run out by the week before Christmas, and had to send us to a Verizon store. They had plenty, and they were going out the door fast.

WOOHOO! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649326)

and... WOOHOO!

Hey, if you give me $100 bucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649342)

I will give you 1000 times what I gave you last week!

250%??? (1)

owlnation (858981) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649434)

250% of what? 1? 10? 10,000?

Let's not use hyperbole like "skyrocketed" without actual numbers shall we? Even skim read TFA, don't see the actual numbers there either.

Smells like astroturf. Smells a LOT like astroturf.

I've nothing against Android, but I've never ever seen anyone with a phone that uses it. Have, however, seen 100s with iphones.

Re:250%??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649576)

RTFA:

ChangeWave's December 9-14 survey of 4,068 consumers shows the Android operating system roiling the smart phone market, with Motorola's new Droid smart phone the biggest and most immediate beneficiary. But more importantly, 21% of those planning to buy a smart phone in the next 90 days say they'd prefer to have the Android OS on their new phone – a monstrous 15-pt jump in just three months.

Re:250%??? (2, Interesting)

Microlith (54737) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649794)

Look more closely. I'm starting to see more Heros, myTouches, and DROIDs out there. The catch is that they don't stand out nor are they all the same shape like the iPhone is.

What I don't see much of are Windows Mobile devices. For as popular as WinMo fans make them out to be, they either don't stand out at all, are heavily masked by HTC and the like, or really aren't that common. Maybe a combination of those.

Any connection with the new Verizon ads ? (1)

parallel_prankster (1455313) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649574)

I noticed that Verizon became pretty aggressive and anti-AT&T in their campaigns recently. I am sure that helped the sales of Droids too considering that Iphones are only available on AT&T.

Seriously (1)

mwheeler (152107) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649604)

So how many here does not know, that stories like this are marketing hype designed to make you want the mentioned product?
I've seen about ten variations of this story in the last couple of days on different sites. Every one with oddly different numbers.

Better Exchange Support = WinMob death (1)

binaryspiral (784263) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649690)

If Google can license the Microsoft ActiveSync and make it work as well as Apple's iPhone... then I will be on board 100%

iPhone maxed out (1)

p51d007 (656414) | more than 4 years ago | (#30649808)

When the market for the iPhone is saturated, then of course it's market share will drop when some new do-dad comes out. I'm not a fan of anything that apple produces, because you can't hack it the way you want. I think the android is shaking up the market of smartphones because you can (if you know how) hack around on it to do what you want. Same thing with the HTC/Windows phones. Just look how popular the XDA-Developers site is.

Alternative Title: (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30649938)

Verizon Finally Gets Credible SmartPhone

Seriously folks, this is pretty self-evident stuff. Verizon has been suffering for the lack of a credible smart phone offering (yeah, yeah WinMo and Palm Centros don't really count). Now they have one. Many cell customers are wedded to Verizon as a carrier and won't switch. Voila! Interest in Android spikes. What will really get interesting is when consumers can choose between Android, Palm Pre and iPhone all from the same carrier. Which will they choose then? That's what I'm waiting for.

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