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Google's Nexus One Phone Launches

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the shaking-it-up dept.

Cellphones 568

The press conference at the Googleplex is over and Google's Nexus One phone has launched (official Google blog announcement). The NY Times confirms the bare details: manufactured by HTC; $529 unlocked, $179 with 2-year T-Mobile contract; coming to Verizon in the US, and Vodaphone in Europe, in "Spring 2010." The Times notes one desirable feature: "[Google] has also voice-enabled all text boxes in the device, so a user can speak into the device to, for instance, compose an e-mail, rather than type the text of the email." Walt Mossberg points out one limitation: "On the Nexus One, only 190 megabytes of its total 4.5 gigabytes of memory is allowed for storing apps. On the $199 iPhone, nearly all of the 16 gigabytes of memory can be used for apps." No answers yet to the obvious questions: can it tether on T-Mobile? Will it allow VoIP?

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568 comments

nigger area code (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659824)

penis

But Cellular Service is evil (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659832)

Me Thinks

Re:But Cellular Service is evil (4, Funny)

MrEricSir (398214) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660058)

Not true. You only think this because your phone gave you brain cancer.

Re:But Cellular Service is evil (0, Offtopic)

woozlewuzzle (532172) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660126)

I believe that is "I thinks"

So what's the difference? (4, Insightful)

bezking (1274298) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659848)

It seems like this is just another HTC (?) made device... Beside the tts capacity, does anyone know what really sets this thing apart from the Droid\G1\etc??? This may finally be the spark I need to leave ATT, so what makes this thing so great??

Re:So what's the difference? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659894)

does anyone know what really sets this thing apart from the Droid\G1\etc???

It's from GOOGLE! It's got to be good...

Re:So what's the difference? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659974)

Verizon does not use SIM cards. T-mobile and ATT do

Re:So what's the difference? (4, Informative)

klasikahl (627381) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660004)

Unfortunately the only plan available has but 500 anytime minutes. I think T-Mo/Google are a bit insane for this move. The phone is, IMO, targeted at power users and those with disposable incomes - the same market that talks a lot. I personally hit 1200-1500 anytime minutes a month. This 500 minute plan would be insanity for someone like myself.

Also, the 500 minute plan from T-Mo is $40/mo if you're not getting a Nexus but should you decide to grab the phone and the accompanying plan, you'll be paying $80/mo. What is the logic here?

Re:So what's the difference? (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660188)

Unfortunately the only plan available has but 500 anytime minutes.

You could just buy it & run it on any plan with a SIM card, if you don't want the subsidized phone+plan deal.

Also, the 500 minute plan from T-Mo is $40/mo if you're not getting a Nexus but should you decide to grab the phone and the accompanying plan, you'll be paying $80/mo. What is the logic here?

I'd guess you're paying $40 for data.

Re:So what's the difference? (5, Informative)

Vanden (103995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660024)

The most significant ones to me are:
TTS
1GHz Snapdragon processor
Android 2.1
5MP camera

Re:So what's the difference? (2, Interesting)

Tyr_7BE (461429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660278)

I thought Droid had at least the processor and camera? And I hear the pics the Droid takes with that camera are pretty uninspiring.

Honestly this looks like YAAP (yet another android phone).

Re:So what's the difference? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660120)

what really sets this thing apart from the Droid

It's on T-Mobile instead of Verizon (and it has some ridiculous app limitation), so now you get to choose which cellular company (of two) you want to bend over for. (Or for advanced users, get it unlocked and choose some other carrier using GSM [gsmworld.com] but the "unwashed masses" won't bother.)

Re:So what's the difference? (1)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660248)

first htc android with snapdragon. enables a whole load of pretty 3d ui benefits including google earth.

Re:So what's the difference? (4, Informative)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660370)


-Faster CPU
-Better integrated with Google apps and services (ie: no using Bing when the Google Search is better integrated with the phone)
-Runs on something other than Verizon (unlike the Droid), namely ATT & TMo.
-More storage space
-(for those who dont like em or the added bulkiness) it doesnt have a physical keyboard (for me, that's a drawback)
-Android 2.1
-Cheaper overall plans from TMo (since the Droid only runs on Verizon, I think it's a valid comparison point)

Will there be no Sprint version? (2, Insightful)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659858)

I know that Verizon and T-Mobile phones use SIM cards, so theoretically you could unlock those phones and switch networks, but why won't there be a Sprint version?

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but it seems either A) shortsighted of Google to ignore the largest cellular network, or B) stupid of Sprint to pass up such a kickass phone...

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659910)

Nice troll.

Did you even read the summary?

$529 unlocked

Put your provider's SIM into the Google phone and off you go.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (0)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660102)

I wasn't trolling.

Yes I read the summary, and I've been following information about the nexus as it became available last week.

Put your provider's SIM into the Google phone and off you go.

Sprint uses CDMA, not SIM.

Nice troll. But try again.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (1)

EdZ (755139) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660214)

SIM are the cards you place into the phone to identify it with a network (among other things). CDMA is an data transmission method. You're probably thinking of GSM or UMTS.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659918)

Verizon is CDMA not GSM, no sim card...

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (2, Informative)

Vanden (103995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659926)

Actually, there will be a CDMA version for Verizon, so it's possible it could also work on Sprint. T-Mobile and AT&T use GSM sim cards.

Also, Google says they will be adding many other phone models and networks to their online store.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (1)

Logical Zebra (1423045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660284)

Good luck getting Sprint to activate a Verzion phone. Hint: they won't.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659938)

I know that Verizon and T-Mobile phones use SIM cards ...
Maybe I'm just ignorant

Yes, you are.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660052)

And actually, you're not going to be switching many networks in the US any time soon:

"The Nexus One's antenna supports four GSM radio frequencies (850/900/1800/1900) and three 3G/UMTS Bands - 1/4/8 (2100/AWS/900). These cover most major GSM mobile providers worldwide; however, the 3G band used by AT&T and Rogers is not supported."

So if you want all the bells and whistles you need to be on T-Mobile since AT&T's 3G won't work.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660250)

What the antenna CAN support and what the phone DOES support are as like as your mom's titties and a two dollar walmart bra.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (2, Informative)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660162)

I know that Verizon and T-Mobile phones use SIM cards, so theoretically you could unlock those phones and switch networks, but why won't there be a Sprint version?

verizon does not use SIM cards. AT&T and T-Mobile are the only US carriers to use GSM / SIM.

Maybe I'm just ignorant, but it seems either A) shortsighted of Google to ignore the largest cellular network, or B) stupid of Sprint to pass up such a kickass phone...

the phone is available on AT&T, T-mobile, and is coming to verizon soon. it's available on 3 of the 4 major carriers. i wouldn't call that short sighted.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (4, Informative)

northform (631832) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660180)

Verizon doesn't use SIM cards - it's CDMA like Sprint.

Sprint is not the largest cellular network. Sprint is either third or fourth largest in the US in terms of customers and covers both less people and less geographic area than AT&T or Verizon. Plus, Sprint isn't technically a cellular carrier. To split hairs, cellular service is at 800MHz while PCS service is at 1900MHz (which is what Sprint uses for their CDMA network - their iDEN network being a SMR network). Normally, I wouldn't nitpick like that, but Sprint made a big deal about being all-PCS a while back calling themselves "the clear alternative to cellular".

HTC has had good relations with Sprint so I'm guessing that a Sprint version might come, but it won't come quickly. Sprint is losing customers at a high rate. There's no incentive for a phone manufacturer to want to put effort into debuting on Sprint given that the line of phones (Pre, Hero, Moment - which were all great phones) Sprint has gotten haven't done so well.

T-Mobile is easy to start out with because they don't require lots of customization and GSM phones can be re-used all over the world. Verizon customers are clamoring for an iPhone competitor (as evidenced by Droid sales). AT&T has the iPhone. Sprint just isn't winning customers. So, it's to be expected that Sprint's going to be at the bottom of the heap after lackluster results for quite a while.

Re:Will there be no Sprint version? (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660422)

Interesting. Mod parent up!

Right now I am using Sprint on an old plan that is rather inexpensive. My plan is as follows:

1000 Anytime minutes
Nights and Weekends Start at 6pm
Unlimited SMS/MMS
Unlimited Data

And for that I pay $40 (base plan) + $20 (SMS/MMS) + $10 (data) - 25% discount for a total of $52.50. I haven't found a comparable plan with all the additionals for anywhere near that price on any other network, but I'm starting to get tired of not having access to some of these exciting new phones. Does anyone using T-Mobile have any insight into what it would be like switching to T-Mobile?

VoIP on the droid (1, Informative)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659860)

I know it's not the N1, but I can say that the Droid has a SIP application which works..pretty well.

At home, all my calls go out over the copper line ( through my asterisk box ).

2002 US SAFETY ACT, the Google NO phone (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659864)

In 2004, Google and Sequoia Capital colluded in the piracy of the You Tube business model which was protected under intellectual property laws of the 2002 US SAFETY ACT.

Google, should be allowed no further access to US Electronic Communications, including telecommunications devices until the matter is settled.

2 Billion BAFO A55holes.

VOIP (5, Informative)

Wonko the Sane (25252) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659868)

Since T-Mobile already allows VOIP without any problems on their existing phones and data plans, and since the Android app store has at least two good SIP applications why would there be any question if VOIP is allowed or not?

Re:VOIP (0)

wile_e8 (958263) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660170)

Plus one of the demos on the Nexus One page is for a Google Voice app, and it shows someone replying to a voicemail "via Google Voice". I'm assuming this is going over VOIP, unless they somehow tie Google Voice to the cell phone voice plan.

Re:VOIP (4, Informative)

solipsist0x01 (887281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660424)

Google voice is not VOIP

Now I can say "I told you so!" (2, Insightful)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659874)

Google might be trying to pass this off as "just a showcase", but their other "partners", including Motorola, gave Google a lot of information that is now being used against them.

And yes, I told you so! [trolltalk.com]

Everyone Laugh At The Idiot Tom Hudson (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660028)

You are actually trying to spin this release as Google hurting Motorola???

LOL! Troll harder dimwit...

Verizon in Spring (2, Interesting)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659882)

I wonder if comping to Verizon "Spring 2010" means that it supports both GSM and CDMA (and so the unlocked one would work now), or if we're talking seperate CDMA hardware in the Spring (less appealing).

I don't know what the hiccup is in offered dual-mode devices. The BlackBerry Storm actually manged to do that - it's a shame it sucked at everything else, but if they got that right then it can't be too hard :).

Re:Verizon in Spring (1)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660226)

i'd be interested to know if the blackberry is dual-mode, or if there are different hardware versions of the phone for each network.

Re:Verizon in Spring (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660318)

Storm is dual-mode

Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (2, Insightful)

NathanE (3144) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659900)

Mod me as troll if you want, but its not surprising that Mossberg rushes to defend an Apple product in the face of a new competitor. He also neglects to point out in his comparison that the 16 GB of storage on the iPhone is typically filled with music, leaving much less than that for applications.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660002)

He also did a poor, poor job of explaining things.

The Nexus One has:
* 512MB RAM
* 512MB Flash
* An Micro-SD Card slot, initially populated with a 4GB card.

That indicates to me that the 512MB flash is for your apps. The SD-card is for your data, and is expandable up to a 32GB card (or, just carry multiple cards). I have no idea whatsoever where the 190MB he listed comes from.

If someone really needs extra space, you could root your phone and install app2sd, OR just wait: during the event, someone asked them that very question, and they replied that they were working on a future update that would allow this in base Android.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (2, Insightful)

geoff2 (579628) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660008)

"the 16 GB of storage on the iPhone is typically filled with music".

Ummmm, do users of other smartphones not play music? Is there something special about the iPhone that requires users to fill up the space with music, or videos? Is it just too darned easy to load your iPhone with music? I really have no idea what this means.

FWIW, I'm currently using 1.57 GB of storage for apps on my iPhone. Of course, I don't think that's *all* due to the apps -- some of it is user file storage, which is handled app-by-app and which I assume is counted in the "app" section of the iPhone capacity meter in iTunes.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (1)

solipsist0x01 (887281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660186)

All this talk about Android not supporting apps on SD is way over-hyped.  Apps can read from the SD card, if an app developer wants / needs to, they can put most of their data on the SD card.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (4, Insightful)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660430)

This is only a non issue if the app itself is tiny. What about if the app is graphics intensive? I think "Defender Chronices" for the iPhone is 125Mb all by itself and Dungeon Hunter is 225Mb.

So to get around this stupid limitation an app would need to come with a loader that would then download the remaining data to the SD card.

Over hyped? Not if you play games. Either way it's a pretty stupid and a major design limitation.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (2, Informative)

nschubach (922175) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660340)

It's actually HARDER to load the iPhone since you have to do it through iTunes. With the Android devices you simply plug in the USB cable and hit the "USB Connected" then "Mount" button in the notification panel and it acts just like a thumb drive.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660108)

Not to mention most Android based phones have Micro-SD slots for more memory storage. This one overlooked option is why i will NEVER own an Apple product.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660142)

the 16 GB of storage on the iPhone is typically filled with music

I've yet to see any studies saying that's typical. Possible? Yes. I wouldn't say typical. However, just to play along, let's say it is typical. The space allocated for applications is for the individual to decide. The individual has ~16 GB to arrange applications, music and video. As it's being reported in the article, the space allocated for applications is set by the manufacturer.

There is a difference between "I only need this much space for applications" and "I only have this much space for applications."

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (4, Informative)

FileNotFound (85933) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660342)

I have over 1.3 Gigs of apps on my iPhone. It's not hard to use up that much space on an iPhone for apps. There are tons of apps out there that are well over 100mb.

Sure you may not play games, but then what about 3rd party mapping software which preloads all the maps to the phone.

Having only 190Mb for apps is a huge deal breaker for me.

Re:Mossberg is an Apple fanboi, valid point though (0, Redundant)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660410)

i have a 32GB iphone and i range from 2GB to 4GB worth of applications. the GPS apps are 1.5GB since they download all data. google like RIM and Danger are into this cloud thing where you're not allowed to have any data on your device. some of the games are hundreds of MB. on android you can code to store app data on the SD card, but then that means more dev time.

people laugh at the iphone but in the 125,000 apps there are literally thousands of apps for professionals on the go including VMWare management and access to expensive commercial databases to look up data wherever you are. For now Android is a toy while the iphone is well ahead as a tool to get work done

Man, that demo page is slow (0, Troll)

smitty777 (1612557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659904)

It's ironic to me that the company known for such a lean web page has such a huge footprint on their demo page. Sucker hung my computer for nearly 5 minutes.

The unlocked phone comes at quite the premium. (1)

Slutticus (1237534) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659906)

Since it seems Google is perfectly willing to allow unlocked phones, wouldn't it be more cost effective to buy a locked phone, break the contract (~$150???) and then "jailbreak" the phone?

Re:The unlocked phone comes at quite the premium. (1)

qoncept (599709) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659970)

T-Mobile's early termination fee is $350. No.

Re:The unlocked phone comes at quite the premium. (1)

Churla (936633) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660000)

So those of us who got in on the G1 early (as in around xmas last year) still have the better part of a year to wait if we want it at a reasonable price. YAY status quo!

world phone coming soon? (1)

Vanden (103995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659908)

I noticed in the Q&A that they will be working on a world phone Android model in the near future (both GSM/CDMA). This will be a great feature for people who travel internationally, or to be able to switch networks at home.

For this current model, I think the voice feature will be the most significant: every text field is voice enabled, making the touchscreen-only keyboard a bit less painful.

Re:world phone coming soon? (4, Informative)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659990)

For this current model, I think the voice feature will be the most significant: every text field is voice enabled, making the touchscreen-only keyboard a bit less painful.

If they use the same technology as they use for the Google Voice transcriptions then it won't be so useful. My experience is that it gets 20-25% of the words right. SOMETIMES the transcriptions I get are enough to get the jist of what the call was about - other times it's like a bad babblefish version of it.

Unless they're using something different, I think Voice Recognition has a long way to do - and may never quite be there. Heck even for real people it's hard to understand just what someone said.

Re:world phone coming soon? (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660346)

I have voice enabled on my hacked hero, dont expect too much, it is a hit or miss thing, 60% it works perfectly 40% it does not. I use it rather seldom because I personally think, typing most searches is faster.
(You have to speak, then the data is transferred to google which also takes time)

obligatory meh (4, Funny)

kirkb (158552) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659940)

No LTE. Less space than a drobo. Meh.

I was looking forward to this device far more.... (0, Offtopic)

Churla (936633) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659948)

Before I found out it would be essentially another "buy into a contract or pay a half a grand for it" phone. You could get a completely unlocked G1 as well if you wanted to pay a much higher price and go through the dev phone procurement process. Also it's Edge only on AT&T, so not truly carrier agnostic.

The Google site for it earlier couldn't even sell you the T-mobile plan, so it was grayed out, same for the Verison and Vodaphone options which aren't available yet.

So essentially , it's a new phone on T-mobile.

I remember when it was a supposed to be a phone you could just get a data only plan for and use VOIP and Google voice on for a reasonable price. Apparently that was the flash and hype.

Re:I was looking forward to this device far more.. (2, Insightful)

Improv (2467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660094)

Your expectations for cost are unrealistic, although it would help a lot if the US would ban bundling of plans with phones. The real cost of phones is now routinely subsidised by cellphone plans, preventing real competition on either cost.

People who start a sen (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660368)

tence in the subject and continue it in the body.

After top posters, who are the most annoying thing on the internet?

190 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659976)

190 megabytes should be enough for anybody.

Good Alternative (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659986)

Good alternative to those who do not want iPhone or Droid. You can buy this phone unlocked and get TMobile plan for unlimited minutes for 50 bucks or unlimited everything for 80 bucks. Works out much cheaper compared to both Verizon Droid or ATT iPhone.

gaming? (1)

kirkb (158552) | more than 4 years ago | (#30659988)

For normal activities (surfing, vids, nav, etc) 1ghz is overkill. The biggest beneficiary of all that CPU and GPU power is gaming. But without multitouch, gaming will be terribly restricted. So WTF am I supposed to play on this thing -- 3D, HD whack-a-mole?

All Android Devices Have Multitouch Dumbass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660090)

Get a fucking clue retard.

Even the damn year old G1 has 'teh multitouch'...

Re:gaming? (2, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660218)

Like most recent android phones the hardware supports multi-touch. Also like most recent android phones multi-touch isn't used in the basic interface by Google, supposedly because of legal threats from Apple. (No, i haven't seen anything specific about those supposed threats, though i have seen an analysis [engadget.com] claiming that Apple doesn't actually have a patent on "pinch to zoom." So i dunno what's actually up with the supposed legal threats. Anyone have a link they want to share?)

However there's nothing preventing other developers from using multi-touch in their apps. So if someone wants to add multi-touch to a game they're writing for Android app store there's nothing stopping them as far as i know.

No Multitouch (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30659994)

Like other Android phones, there is no multitouch implemented in the touchscreen interface.

For those who use their smartphones for gaming, this really limits the ability of the phone of as a gaming platform (with respect to touchscreen controls). Gaming on the iPhone has really been taking off, although I still think hardware buttons work best for fast-paced and twitch gaming.

Re:No Multitouch (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660274)

Actually most Android telephones have multitouch, but it is mostly locked away on the US market, even the Motorola droid does, but not in the US ;-)

Re:No Multitouch (1)

solipsist0x01 (887281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660348)

Not true at all, Android does support multitouch. A lot of this confusion comes from the fact that the Android Browser doesn't support pinch zoom in / out. There are plenty of apps including games on the market that support mulitouch. For example the free Dolphin browser which supports pinch zoom.

I was hoping for a new business model (4, Insightful)

astrashe (7452) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660018)

I'm pretty underwhelmed by the announcement.

I have an iPhone, I live in NYC, and my network is terrible. That's exactly the kind of problem markets are supposed to solve, right? I should ditch AT&T and go with a competitor.

The problem is that my phone cost $300, the Apple Care costs $70 (and you need it because the battery is sealed into the phone, and won't last 2 years), and there's a $175 early termination fee. So walking away is pretty expensive.

This Google phone will have essentially the same deal. You'll still be tied to a carrier, and it will be expensive to walk away. Maybe Verizon or T-Mobile will be a lot better than AT&T. Or maybe when many millions of people buy these data hungry phones in a short period of time, their networks will sink just like AT&T's has.

We need to commoditize wireless bandwidth. We want a universe in which we buy our phones directly, we own them, and we can choose which networks to plug them into. And if a network is bad, we have to be free to walk.

These walled gardens are always going to give us crummy throughput, unreliable service, and restrictions on the apps we can run. Just swapping one corporation (T-Mobile) for another (AT&T) isn't going to fix anything. Maybe they'll be marginally better. But without a real market operating, and the ability for us to move around in response to the quality of service we receive, we'll never get a good wireless network.

Re:I was hoping for a new business model (4, Insightful)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660130)

unsubsidized phone + cheaper tmobile plan than the one bundled with the subsidized phone is cheaper over a period of two years.
plus the ability to jump ship to att at any time with no repercussions.

Re:I was hoping for a new business model (1)

solipsist0x01 (887281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660394)

Well one repercussion is that the Nexus One doesn't support ATT's 3g band.

"I have an iPhone" LOL! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660182)

"I'm pretty underwhelmed by the announcement."

Golly, who didn't see that coming?! Go away you fucking hipster loser. No one gives a fuck what some idiot with an iPhone has to say.

Re:I was hoping for a new business model (4, Insightful)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660296)

This Google phone will have essentially the same deal. You'll still be tied to a carrier, and it will be expensive to walk away.

an important part of the announcement is that they are selling an unlocked, GSM phone for $530. sounds like a lot, but depending on the plan you chose you can end up saving money over the course of what would be a 2-year contract. if you are complaining about being tied to GSM networks, you can hardly blame google for that.

Re:I was hoping for a new business model (1)

b0bby (201198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660354)

Google sells the phone unlocked, and T-Mobile no-contract/no subsidy plans are $10 per month cheaper than the "free phone" plans. So there's no problem switching if you want, you could just sell the handset.

Re:I was hoping for a new business model (2, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660408)

What are you, a goddam communist?

190 MB for Apps? (1)

Totenglocke (1291680) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660050)

Well damn, I was thinking this phone would be great, but only 190 MB for apps? That's extremely limiting. Since it has a MicroSD slot, why not let the users decide how much space they want to use for apps and how much they want to use for files?

Maybe someone can find a way to mod the OS to get around this limitation....

Re:190 MB for Apps? (1)

yincrash (854885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660140)

both gizmodo and engadget's live blog stated 512MB for apps, and that they have an upgrade on the way to encrypt apps for saving on the SD. their biggest issue was piracy.

Re:190 MB for Apps? (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660166)

Actually on hacked android phones you have the possibility already by using apps2sd, I assume Google shuns away for copy protection reasons for now. From what I have read they are working on a solution to push the apps encrypted to the SD.

But seriously 190MB for apps is not too shabby, the reason simply is, that the apps can store there data on the sd and almost all do it that way, so you end up with an average app size of 3-4 MB if at all. 190 MB is a lot in such an environment!
I only ran against my limit once in my HTC hero which has less free apps space and only because a stupid comic reader did not conform to the standards and did not buffer its data on the SD but used the apps ram instead. After deleting it, I have not run against the limit again.

Re:190 MB for Apps? (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660216)

They're worried about piracy, allegedly. People who have gotten root on other Android devices managed to get around this limitation, however.

Re:190 MB for Apps? (1)

prometx42 (1107413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660252)

Bingo...

sales tax? (1)

jbigboote (1544809) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660068)

Google checkout wants to charge me $48.93 for sales tax on the unlocked Nexus One. Why? do they have a presence in my state (AR)?

Re:sales tax? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660220)

Google checkout wants to charge me $48.93 for sales tax on the unlocked Nexus One. Why? do they have a presence in my state (AR)?

Does anyone?

Re:sales tax? (1)

jbigboote (1544809) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660382)

Walmart of course.

UMTS crippled on purpose? will not work on ATT 3G (2, Informative)

deadmongrel (621467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660078)

according to the nexus one specs, the UMTS Band (2100/AWS/900) will not support ATT network 3G but does work on T-Mobiles 3G network. T-Mobile 3G and voice coverage is one of worst in US.

Re:UMTS crippled on purpose? will not work on ATT (1)

faedle (114018) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660322)

AT&T isn't a member of the Open Handset Alliance. T-mobile is.

Re:UMTS crippled on purpose? will not work on ATT (3, Insightful)

faedle (114018) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660336)

Oh, and it's worth pointing out (as AT&T insists in their commercials against Verizon) that 2G should be good enough for anybody, and the Nexus One will work on AT&T's 2G network that they think is so awesome.

Re:UMTS crippled on purpose? will not work on ATT (3, Insightful)

farble1670 (803356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660386)

according to the nexus one specs, the UMTS Band (2100/AWS/900) will not support ATT network 3G but does work on T-Mobiles 3G network. T-Mobile 3G and voice coverage is one of worst in US.

as far as i know, no smartphone covers both AT&T and T-Mo's 3g network. no existing android phone does, and the iphone doesn't. blackberry sells two different hardware versions of it's phone models, one to cover each band.

it's not some insidious plan, it's the economics of supporting two different 3g networks.

App Storage (1)

MBoffin (259181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660128)

I don't think App storage is as big of a deal as people make it out to be. Yes, you can root your phone to store apps on the SD card, but in my experience, you don't need to. I don't have hard numbers, but it seems like Android apps clock in at a much smaller size than iPhone apps. Most of the apps I download tend to be between 100k to 700k, with some apps at a meg or two. As I said, I don't know how that exactly compares to iPhone apps, but I'm more than an "average" user of my phone and I've yet to run into a space limitation because of the apps I have installed.

Re:App Storage (2, Insightful)

prometx42 (1107413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660328)

That will, likely, change though, going forward, don't you think? And when (if) it does change, it shouldn't instantly outclass a field of pretty usable devices. Don't get me wrong, I mean, I actually hope Android developers continue to write minuscule, beautiful code, that sips space and resources, into perpetuity; really I do...But I wouldn't wager on it.

Vodaphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660132)

Actually, it's vodafone.

Visual voicemail w/ transcript (1)

Rufus211 (221883) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660144)

The demo page of the voicemail app is extremely shiny. Google voice transcription of the voicemail shown in real-time with playing the voicemail.

Then again I can't remember the last time I got a voice mail, so who actually cares.

Works with T-Mobile's 39.99 data-only plan? (1)

gregrah (1605707) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660154)

Would this work with T-Mobile's $39.99 Total Internet [t-mobile.com] plan?

If so - I would consider carrying an N1 around for web access, and still hold on to my $0.10-per-minute prepaid phone for the times that I need voice. VOIP would be another option for voice, if latency is not too bad.

Only $529! (4, Interesting)

SandwhichMaster (1044184) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660158)

Is anyone else sick of this contract subsidizing excuse? Yes, I realize you can't sell a phone like this for $25, but all these phones have an insane price if you buy them out of contract. I have a hard time believing these things cost anywhere near $500 to build. For example, the ipod touch starts at $200, which is obviously sold for a profit. Meanwhile, the iphone (a pretty damn similar device), is $500. Its not like you get a reduced monthly price if you bring your own phone.

Re:Only $529! (4, Informative)

musikit (716987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660404)

its all in the GSM/CDMA licensing. nokia, motorola, etc. all have patents you have to pay for. so the CDMA chip is like $100. $1 to make. $99 is licensing.

number are of course examples but the intent is true.

Re:Only $529! (1)

prometx42 (1107413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660406)

Yes, SandwhichMaster, I am sick of technology pricing, generally; but you're right, this phone/contract stuff is truly "through the looking glass". Modern economics is truly ridiculous. No wonder it seems to be flying apart at the seams; to the degree that so much smoke and mirrors can actually be said to actually have "seams"...

App Space (1)

prometx42 (1107413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660168)

I really wonder why Android OS so disdains opening up external/more memory for the storage of apps. It seems like this would be such a strong selling point. Since they are adhering to that "policy" so closely, I suppose there is some strong reasoning behind it (security "sandboxing" of some sort?). In my opinion, this prejudices consumers toward the iPhone and also impels people more toward rooting their devices to get that, obviously strongly desired, app-space control.

I have the G1, with which I am wholly satisfied, and not all that hungry to "trade-up" from, especially with the "super non-wowing power" of such limited app storage space, on "groundbreaking" devices. I mean, 190MB of total app space, given the average smartphone app size, I guess isn't an absolute deal breaker, but why the cap man?

This seems like it is limiting the impact of the Android Market and Android developers to reach end users as well. This seems like a real strategic weak point to me; seem so to anyone else?

If you love the Android, set it free; if it comes back it was meant to be...(If it comes back as an evil, hacked, perversion of its former self...also, probably, meant to be...)

Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available... (2, Interesting)

cfriedt (1189527) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660236)

It would seem that many people outside of the US, including Canada and Germany, upon visiting www.google.com/phone have been receiving an error message [google.de] saying "Sorry, the Nexus One phone is not available in your country."

I guess it doesn't go on sale in those countries until some undisclosed date.

Price and product is garbage. (1)

L3370 (1421413) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660326)

for $500, I'd expect something that at least attempts to compete with iPhone.
With the space limitation for applications it seems that this phone is worthless on any network outside of T-mobile. Verizon and AT&T offer phones with less limitations. The only upside is the price savings potential when switching to T-mobile and taking full advantage of voip services.

In a way its like the phone price is subsidizing the price of the contract, rather than the contract allowing you to buy the phone at a cheaper price.

In Soviet Russia, phone owns you... (4, Insightful)

chogori (1514025) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660350)

What's up with these arbitrary phone OS limitations? I would've hoped that at least Google would've gotten it right, but alas.

I hate to say this, but between my iPhone and my WinMo, I think I like my WinMo phone the best.
Don't get me wrong, it sucks. The UI is terrible. And it crashes. A lot.

However:

- Want to thether for free even though your carrier wants you to pay extra? There's a WinMo app for that.

- Want to thether for free via your phone as a Wi-Fi hotspot so that everyone in your carpool can access the interenet at once? There's a WinMo app for that, too.

- Hell, I can even run two programs at once and mount my phone as a disk drive and fill it up with whatever I damn well please.

Seems like pretty basic/essential functionality to me.

Activate...? (1)

comm2k (961394) | more than 4 years ago | (#30660362)

The "Activate my phone" link brings me back to google.com/phone. Is this yet another lame phone that needs activation (whatever that means) or do they mean activation of the SIM? I certainly hope it's the latter, as there is no sane reason why one would have to "activate" a phone.

Read the fine print -- no AT&T 3G (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30660420)

The radio doesn't support AT&T's 3G frequency bands, nor Rogers (Canada)'s 3G bands. So that makes it not exactly carrier-neutral in the U.S. and Canada.

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