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Microsoft Wants To Participate In SVG Development

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the speak-friend-and-enter dept.

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rossendryv writes "After many years of fighting against the standard, Microsoft announced they are joining the WC3's SVG working group to help with the development of SVG. 'We recognize that vector graphics are an important component of the next-generation Web platform,' said Patrick Dengler, senior program manager on Microsoft's Internet Explorer team in a blog post."

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LOL. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673708)

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Funny, funny.

Translation: (5, Insightful)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673838)

Silverlight didn't work, and we still want to kill Flash.

Re:Translation: (1, Funny)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673946)

And -- "How do our hands feel around your neck?"

Re:Translation: (5, Insightful)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674412)

So, we'll implement something we'll call SVG, but only once the spec is changed to support Microsoft-only technologies.

Like, say, that it must be implemented as an ActiveX control...

Re:Translation: (5, Insightful)

FlyingBishop (1293238) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674522)

It's certainly a nice thought (for them), but it won't work. As goes YouTube, so goes the Internet. Nothing Microsoft can do about that. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if IE9 at a bare minimum supports <video> and <audio> It's such a simple thing to hack into the engine that even they should be able to pull it off without any fuss.

SVG, that's a bit trickier, but they do have that VML renderer lying around.

Re:Translation: (1)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674580)

Yeah, but it'll only support some Microsoft-specific decoders well, with poor if any support for other decoders, and with no easy way to add support for other decoders...

Re:Translation: (-1, Offtopic)

suso (153703) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674044)

And how is the parent post off topic?

Re:Translation: (3, Informative)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674158)

Your point is well taken. But don't count Silverlight out yet. The sole fact that Netflix uses it for their streaming service is reason enough.

-Peter

Re:Translation: (3, Insightful)

RobertM1968 (951074) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674216)

Your point is well taken. But don't count Silverlight out yet. The sole fact that Netflix uses it for their streaming service is reason enough.

-Peter

Which is the sole reason I dont use NetFlix. Or watch videos on Microsoft's site.

Re:Translation: (4, Insightful)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674312)

While I can identify with your position, if boycotts by the technologically conscious were by any means effective, Internet Explorer would have shriveled and died in the '90s.

-Peter

Silverlight is the fastest growing plugin... (2, Interesting)

caffeinejolt (584827) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674270)

Based on this growth trend [statowl.com] , I'd say Silverlight has a future still.

Re:Silverlight is the fastest growing plugin... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674484)

Silverlight is far more superior to flash from a run time and development perspective, the only its missing is adoption and anti-ms sediment which is really what keeps flash going.

Re:Silverlight is the fastest growing plugin... (4, Funny)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674598)

Maybe, but that little chart is in Flash.

Re:Translation: (3, Informative)

anastasd (849943) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674390)

Yep, Flash is a crime against humanity. :)

Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (5, Insightful)

sconeu (64226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673726)

I'm sure their help will be just like that they gave to the development of OpenGL.

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (3, Informative)

wealthychef (584778) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674186)

Microsoft has a proven track record and a known strategy of packing standards boards to subvert them for their own uses. I'm thinking of a recent story in which a presentation was leaked about this, cannot find the citation

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (4, Informative)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674372)

It was probably about getting OOXML to become an ISO standard that only MS could comply with...

"In order to gain ISO approval, Microsoft needed to garner the requisite number of “P” votes, and the influx of many new “P” voting members, most of whom were in favour of OOXML, was striking."

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/microsoft-ooxml-and-iso [linuxjournal.com]

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (4, Insightful)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674196)

Step 1: Embrace
Status: In Progress <laughter type="maniacal" />

Step 2: Extend
Status: Inevitable

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (2, Funny)

msclrhd (1211086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674422)

Or in XAML: <Laughter Voice="{Binding Type:Evil}" EmbraceExtendExtinguish.Stage="Embrace"><Intonation.Type>Manical</Intonation.Type></Laughter>.

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (1)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674470)

You need to review the concept of markup...

Re:Oh thank you so very much.... NOT (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674386)

Or HTML.

We should make pictures similar to the John Locke fucks things up (expand gallery) [encycloped...matica.com] ones, but with Microsoft in the middle picture. ;)

Torpedo? (5, Funny)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673730)

I don't really know how the W3C is organized, but shouldn't there be some protection against allowing organizations who are openly hostile toward a technology from sitting on the committee? Isn't this just common sense?

Who do they think they are? The UN?

-Peter

Re:Torpedo? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673846)

Common sense does not exist. It is a concept invented by those who wish to use the appeal of populism to push their own agenda. In this particular case, you are using the populist idea that the UN is "bad" to push the idea that Microsoft should be restricted from participating in the SVG group. No doubt you stand to gain because you are either a Mac or Linux advocate.

Personally, I'd rather not see either the SVG working group or the UN start to arbitrarily ban members for having the "wrong" opinions.

Re:Torpedo? (1, Insightful)

Mitchell314 (1576581) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673950)

Agreed. Microsoft should be allowed to contribute once they prove themselves at building a good OS. Probably somewhere around Web 6.0, but we're patient.

Re:Torpedo? (0, Troll)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674198)

Mozilla too.

Re:Torpedo? (-1, Troll)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674290)

So... By your logic. Who should be able to contribute.... I haven't really found a good OS yet...

Linux Junk They can't even go together and make a decent UI without forcing people to edit config files.
Windows Junk they can't make an OS that can run well without admin access.
OS X junk It only supports apple approved drivers. And you can't even change themes.
xBSD junk See linux but with a worse UI.
VMS junk See BSD then make sure all the comands are very robust and lets add some additional random charactors to make it work...

All OS's have their plusses and Minuses and Windows isn't really that bad

Re:Torpedo? (2)

dissy (172727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674446)

So... By your logic. Who should be able to contribute.... I haven't really found a good OS yet...

Those people and companies who either plan to, or do, already support the standard they want on the board to submit changes to.

Why should Microsoft get a say-so in how SVG development goes when they openly state they will not add it to IE?

Let them update IE to something more recent than 10 year old tech, and people MIGHT listen a little more to their opinions and desires (Thou probably not many more)

Re:Torpedo? (3, Informative)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674460)

xBSD junk See linux but with a worse UI.

BSD runs the same xorg/KDE/Gnome as Linux, not a worse UI, the SAME bad UI.

If you want to criticize it you should be complaining about it's lesser hardware compatibility (in terms of multimedia, etc) or less features (eg. no clustered file system/DRBD equivalent).

Re:Torpedo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674588)

Linux hasn't required .conf modification (at least, in the major distros) for three years.
Windows has been stable since Windows Server 2003 and fast since, well, Windows 7. Still there, though.
OS/X is OS/X. That's what the users want.
BSD runs the same UI as Linux. The rest is what the users want.
VMS == Same

I use Windows 7 primarily myself, but there are still tasks that make me flip to my Ubuntu partition.

Re:Torpedo? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674346)

Disagreed. Linux shouldn't be allowed to contribute because they've already disproven themselves at building a good desktop OS.

Mitchell314: Now, that statement is purely a flamebait no doubt, however it is also completely true. SVG is for the browser right? Last time I used a computer (instantaneously at the end of this post) people used desktop OSes to run browsers. Your post was clearly flamebait, and I happily returned the favor.

Re:Torpedo? (1)

cstdenis (1118589) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674514)

I run lynx you insensitive clod.

Re:Torpedo? (1)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674130)

Cute troll.

For the benefit of those who might be led astray by your post:

  1. Open standards don't harm anyone. Well, anyone except for those who want to control their customers with proprietary formats. If thinking that's a bad idea is "populist", then I'm guilty.
  2. My shot at the UN was an afterthought. The same idea applies, that people who seem to want an organization to fail at their objective aren't helpful to that organization. Feel free to work against SVG, just not in the SVG working group!
  3. Get a user account. They're free, and they allow us to have a conversation. As it stands, I have no way of knowing if any reply is from you.

-Peter

This Should Be Interesting (5, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673734)

So basically you tried to shove your own proprietary format (XAML?) down our throats but that didn't work. So you thought you'd wait it out and see who had the biggest cajones in this game of chicken where people had to pick? But then Google and Adobe just made plugins for IE that made SVG work which kind of let the air out of your tires. And now, before you've even implemented the SVG Tiny spec in Internet Explorer you are saying things like 'We recognize that vector graphics are an important component of the next-generation Web platform'? So where would that leave IE since it has not implemented said important component of next-generation web platforms?

So you basically want a say in which direction the spec takes from now on without having proven to anyone that you are truly committed to this?

Or is this some hilarious attempt to sidle in at the last moment and hope everyone forgets about your blatant disregard for SVG and make it seem like SVG had always been in your plans but you're only now just getting around to it?

I mean, you're looking mighty foolish now no matter which route you take.

All that angst and animosity aside, I applaud this action. Get it implemented in IE right now so I can start writing crap that utilizes basic graphics without having to post an unnecessarily large image for a flow chart and we can start to carve down the Flash usage out there.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (1)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673774)

What does XAML have to do with SVG and vector graphics? XAML is just an XML based mark-up language.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (5, Informative)

LOLLinux (1682094) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673806)

It seems you must be confusing XAML with VML [wikipedia.org] .

Re:This Should Be Interesting (0, Redundant)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674090)

No, it seems the GGP is confusing XAML with VML.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674174)

No, it seems the GGP is confusing XAML with VML.

JP Morgan strikes again. And we were wondering why the financial crisis came about ...

Re:This Should Be Interesting (1)

ElMiguel (117685) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674184)

And cajones with cojones. Cajones means drawers, of the furniture kind.

Mmm. Cajones... furniture... flying chairs... There must be a pun in there somewhere.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Interesting)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674288)

Not necessarily, if he means Silverlight (as it uses XAML as the markup 'code')

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Interesting)

Meshach (578918) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673818)

Agreed. And it sounds like the SVG group is welcoming Microsoft to the table. From the article:

"On behalf of the SVG WG, let me welcome you to the group. We're excited by your joining, and look forward to your participation...and hopefully SVG support in IE9!"

Microsoft is a big monolithic company; they don't move quickly. If they put SVG in IE9 everyone will benifit. I think this will lead to good things for SVG.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (4, Insightful)

Jason Earl (1894) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673830)

Dengler didn't commit to add SVG to IE, and the company declined to comment about that possibility when asked.

Until Microsoft commits to supporting SVG in IE it is hard to see Microsoft's supposed support of the standard as anything but disingenuous. As you point out, Microsoft's position at this point is ridiculous. Not only has Microsoft been actively promoting an SVG competitor, but the primary reason why SVG isn't ubiquitous is the fact that SVG is not supported in Internet Explorer.

BSD licensed implementation? (3, Funny)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674126)

Until Microsoft commits to supporting SVG in IE it is hard to see Microsoft's supposed support of the standard as anything but disingenuous.

Well we certainly have a right to be cynical, given past events, but odd things happen. For example Sony has started supporting SD!?

One question though, is there any BSD styled SVG implementation that could be grafted onto a browser?

Batik? (1)

gbutler69 (910166) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674332)

Quick, pick yourself up off the floor.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674214)

The laughable part is Microsoft has been supported VML for over a decade. If they can render one vector language, what's the big deal about rendering SVG?

Re:This Should Be Interesting (1)

jpmorgan (517966) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673844)

What does XAML have to do with SVG? Hell if you're going to bitch about XAML, maybe you should complain about WinForms and MFC too. They're equally unrelated.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673908)

What does XAML have to do with SVG? Hell if you're going to bitch about XAML, maybe you should complain about WinForms and MFC too. They're equally unrelated.

So how does this work? Do you send Microsoft an invoice per post or is Steve Ballmer playing your skin flute right now?

Re:This Should Be Interesting (1)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674136)

|| Do you send Microsoft an invoice per post or is Steve Ballmer playing your skin flute right now? ||

Good, gawd, man!

At least, somehow, give a *warning* before you post such stuff!

*mumbles* Now, where is that industrial sized pack of Mental Floss (TM)?

Re:This Should Be Interesting (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673918)

What does XAML have to do with SVG? Hell if you're going to bitch about XAML, maybe you should complain about WinForms and MFC too. They're equally unrelated.

Yeah seriously. XAML is a markup format for representing object trees in the .net framework. End of discussion. It has NOTHING to do with vector graphics. In example, you can build a workflow in XAML if you so inclined. Just as easily, (well sorta) you can build a WPF without any XAML. Now granted, the choice of what objects you choose to represent themselves could be about vector graphics but that's the choice of classes and not the XAML.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Informative)

msclrhd (1211086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674062)

MFC is a C++ UI framework, with classes for different UI widgets and Operating System components (such as threads). WinForms is MFC for C#.

XAML is an XML serialisation format for a set of namespaces that define UI widgets (think Mozilla XUL, Qt UI XML or Gtk's Glade), vector graphics (shapes, gradient fills, etc -- think SVG) and other bits and pieces (it even supports styling (think CSS in XML) and data templates (think XSL:T bound to C# data classes instead of XML elements)).

That is, you can do things like:
     
instead of:
      Rectangle r = new Rectangle();
      r.Fill = "Red";

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Informative)

msclrhd (1211086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674226)

Ah, /. is eating the tag. Should be:
      <Rectangle Fill="Red"/>

Re:This Should Be Interesting (2, Funny)

25thCenturyQuaker (739040) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673914)

"Or is this some hilarious attempt to sidle in at the last moment and hope everyone forgets..."

<Elaine Benes-ish>"That's what they are! They're real sidlers!!!"</Elaine Benes-ish>

Someone needs to slip little boxes of Tic-Tacs in Microsoft's pockets.

Re:This Should Be Interesting (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673984)

You do know that Adobe has stopped supporting their SVG plug-in, right? It was all fine and dandy until they bought Macromedia and didn't need a Flash competitor anymore.

dom

Re:This Should Be Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674414)

Or is this some hilarious attempt to sidle in at the last moment

I don't know, but that "l" managed to slide a couple characters at the last moment before you hit submit.

SVG development? (4, Interesting)

Bananatree3 (872975) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673742)

What do you developers prefer as a development environment? I personally use Inkscape [inkscape.org] , an open source Vector graphics editor. What does Slashdot like to use?

Re:SVG development? (3, Funny)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673990)

True Slashdot developers bang rocks against a bare wire to transmit 1's and 2's to an IBM 7 track magtape (zero hadn't been invented yet). Who needs this fancy-smancy graphical interface crap anyway?

Re:SVG development? (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674154)

Who needs this fancy-smancy graphical interface crap anyway?

How do you see the rocks?

Re:SVG development? (2, Funny)

MiniMike (234881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674286)

True Slashdot developers bang rocks against a bare wire to transmit 1's and 2's to an IBM 7 track magtape (zero hadn't been invented yet).

I thought for a zero the developers banged one of the rocks against their head, instead of the other rock. After enough low-value long ints, they are promoted to editor.

Text editor (1)

AlpineR (32307) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674478)

Close. Since SVG is a markup language, I develop mine in a text editor. Or I write Python programs that turn my data into SVG animations automatically.

I have Adobe Illustrator CS3 but there's not much point exporting from it into SVG. I'm better off exporting to PDF for static documents or using Flash for animations since those formats are widely viewable.

Re:SVG development? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674000)

Emacs

Re:SVG development? (3, Informative)

gringer (252588) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674256)

More recent versions of emacs are able to render SVG files, and I have actually used it on a few occasions to clean up some SVG files (particularly to reduce their file size).

Re:SVG development? (1)

edittard (805475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674304)

vi

Re:SVG development? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674590)

illustrator

Fixed (5, Insightful)

hduff (570443) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673754)

We recognize that vector graphics are an important component of the next generation Web platform. As evidenced by our ongoing involvement in W3C working groups, we are committed to participating in the standards process to subvert those standards to our benefit. Our involvement with the SVG working group builds on that commitment.

Fixed that for you.

Re:Fixed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673860)

Oh, no doubt. Microsoft is famous for bandwaggoning in on a spec, then 'extending' it to where it will only work with Microsoft products and therefore corner the market on the extension. They're a bit predatory about it, which comes from having Harvard Business School people on their payroll, so no surprises here.

So what exactly about Microsoft's latest scheme to corner a market is newsworthy?

Re:Fixed (2, Interesting)

Yetihehe (971185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674030)

They are now more efficient at subverting. Remember those "embrace, extend, extinguish"? They didn't implement SVG in IE, so they are going straight to extend!

Re:Fixed (1)

SnarfQuest (469614) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673878)

Wait for them to require Word and Excell as part of the standard, which they never plan on implementing anyway.

Fun (1)

cheesybagel (670288) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673766)

So they are no longer pushing their own proprietary VML vector format? Ah well. Since Adobe bought Macromedia SVG needs more people pushing it. The saving grace has been that some browsers (e.g. Firefox) natively support SVG now. So this is good.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (5, Insightful)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673822)

Title says it all. We've seen this before, folks.

Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (4, Interesting)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674034)

I'm amazed it took 8 whole minutes of comments for someone to utter this, and more amazed the article wasn't already tagged as such. I really hope they don't put too much of a dent in things; I'm rather fond of SVG.

Its like bein' taken out fo' a beer by ... (3, Interesting)

crovira (10242) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674084)

"Two Fingerz Ronnie" and he calls you into the back of the place, so he can slip you a shiv between da ribs an' he don' have to walk as far to dispose of da body in the alley 'round back.

I'd trust MS about as much as I'd trust "Two Fingerz."

They like to embrace, extend, fuck you up, go back on standards, steal your technology and leave you bleeding in a back alley. (Remember J-Script? Not JavaScript, J-Script. They couldn't call it JavaScript. But they tried.)

MS has NEVER played straight with ANYBODY.

Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish (1)

Demonantis (1340557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674518)

They might not plan to extinguish per say. Thinking of printer drivers they will probably beat the standard with a bat enough that you will need a PhD to figure out whats going on. If they can't get proprietary at least they can make it so they are the only ones with enough cash to develop the standard. You know if your not the best make it harder for other people to be the best.

Good morning Microsoft! (1)

McNihil (612243) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673870)

Nice of you to finally join the rest of the class, did you drink too much last decade?

What could possibly go wrong? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673890)

Okay, where is the "whatcouldpossiblygowrong" tag? This article screams for it.

Re:What could possibly go wrong? (1)

jones_supa (887896) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674392)

And, of course the classic "itsatrap" (which I already promoted).

Shenanigans (2)

fuckface (32611) | more than 4 years ago | (#30673936)

First sentence of TFA:
As a part of Microsoft's continued commitment to interoperability and standards support...

Uh, when did that happen? I have yet to see M$ ever work toward either of those goals.

Re:Shenanigans (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674338)

Sure they have: They have always strived to make sure everyone is able to use their standards via their products.

Re:Shenanigans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674418)

They're completely committed to the standards process. Committed to fucking it up the ass, that is.

Re:Shenanigans (1)

msclrhd (1211086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674494)

As a part of Microsoft's continued commitment to /subvert, buyout, blackmail, corrupt, destroy and bend to our will/ interoperability and standards support...

Two Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673964)

Embrace and Extend.
 
And in the process totally destroy what was once a thing of beauty.
 
They've done it before, and odds are they'll do it again.

They are already on the working group (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30673978)

Microsoft is already on the working group [w3.org] . Are they saying that after years of dragging their feet and dragging the process out as long as possible, now that the standard is gaining traction, that, well, yes, it's time to come out of the cold? What a bunch of maroons. Based on a lifetime of experience in IT, I don't trust them any farther than I can spit.

Resist! its just OOXML all over again (4, Insightful)

phonewebcam (446772) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674046)

Here we go again: http://noooxml.wikidot.com

"Committee stuffing is a standard practice for Microsoft. Microsoft raped ISO with their office file formats, leaving the organization in limbo. The whole campaign against the format have raised an army of people, which are furious about the dirty tactics used by Microsoft to get the broken standard through ISO. This anger won't go away, and I wish good luck to Microsoft to get it adopted by governments. The reputation of Microsoft went down below zero with this process."

Executable code, here we come (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674050)

You just know that Microsoft will try to stick in some way to embed executable code, so SVG files can invoke "platform specific services".

Besides, without that, it won't be useful for viruses and trojans.

Re:Executable code, here we come (3, Insightful)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674488)

Well, there already is the ability to add scripts (as in every browser, usually JavaScript) to SVG, just like you would with XHTML, since both are XML-based. So MS could simply expose an API to JS. Oh wait, it already does that! (ActiveX, even partially DirectX.)

Re:Executable code, here we come (1)

adpe (805723) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674578)

Thank you. A lot of people know about the "E&E&E" punchline, but very few actually actually understand how it works. I was thinking exactly the same, but you posted it first. Mod parent up. Well, if he wasn't at +5 already.

Silverlight failed... (1)

SebaSOFT (859957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674072)

And NOW they embrace SVG. It's hilarious......

There's an old saying about Microsoft.. (4, Insightful)

mewsenews (251487) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674102)

Embrace <-- you are here
Extend
Extinguish

Re:There's an old saying about Microsoft.. (1)

xs650 (741277) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674200)

Like an aids infested prostitute.

it's a trap (1)

MoFoQ (584566) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674120)

it's a trap....didn't Microsoft do the same thing with other working groups (even other working groups of W3C)?
Not including the OpenDocument/XML "issue".

That's nice (5, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674148)

As soon as Microsoft implements the current SVG standards in IE, they should be welcomed into the process of refining the standards further.

Until they implement the current SVG standards, they should be kept away.

[Opinions mine, not IBM's.]

Re:That's nice (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674564)

Interesting. Without you mentioning it, we wouldn’t even know that you have anything to do with IBM.

Why do people always think others would think that by default they would state anything else than their own opinion? Stating your own opinion is the default. No matter if some asshole might want to pull some shit on you, acting all egocentric, on how this also affects him, because you are in some remote way related.
Protip: He’s the asshole. He’s wrong. You should act insulted that he thinks crap like that. You should define how things are. You should tell someone (e.g. your boss) who pulls this shit on you, that you are disappointed and that he should be ashamed of himself for thinking something like that. Because he has to be ashamed for his behavior.

It’s basic common sense: People state what they themselves think. Is that so hard?

The 3 E's (-1, Redundant)

Slash.Poop (1088395) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674168)

Embrace
Extend
Enhance

Re:The 3 E's (1)

mr exploiter (1452969) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674398)

I think it's "Embrace, extend and extinguish"

Wooosh.

Re:The 3 E's (0, Flamebait)

Slash.Poop (1088395) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674512)

No, it's enhance. But thanks for asking ;)

first, please (-1, Offtopic)

BlueBoxSW.com (745855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674242)

Can have Tag?

and HTML5? (1)

gbjbaanb (229885) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674366)

So where does this leave WebGL? Hopefully untarnished and free to become the de-facto web standard for vector graphics... oh, unless MS now decides that SVG support is sufficient and they don't need to support WebGL at all thus starting another "war" of which browser supports what features.

itsatrap ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30674528)

What, no "itsatrap" tag on the story? I'd add it myself, but I have no idea of how tags get added to stories. :-P

WC3? (1)

ZsoL (902409) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674576)

I think that WC3 should be more like W3C, or am I missing something? ;)

Re:WC3? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674652)

No, it's WC3, or Wankers Creating Crufty Crap. W3C would be the World Wide Web Consortium, an altogether different group.

are ms' intentions truly honest? (1)

tmp31416 (1460143) | more than 4 years ago | (#30674650)

oh, microsoft wants to join in svg development.

right.

just like intel that joined the ieee1394 (firewire) committee... ...just to undermine the standardization process of firewire.

bill's people will use the same shenanigans that intel used (maybe we'll support it, maybe we won't... etc.) in order to get its own technology out and established before svg can get a real foothold in the market, if it ever becomes more than a marginal oddity like ogg.

or they will use the same "embrace, extend & extinguish" tactics they used with java.

how can microsoft be kept in check (on a tight leash?) to ensure they don't corrupt the svg standard?

you can't change *decades* of nasty, predatorial behaviour overnight. i strongly doubt ms' intentions are honest.

tmp31416

p.s.: taco, the new (current) slashot is awful. could there be a way to view it in "usable" mode (i.e., pre-2004 or thereabout) without having to log in?

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