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Netflix Will Delay Renting New WB Releases

kdawson posted more than 4 years ago | from the times-they-are-a-changin' dept.

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DesertBlade tips the news that Netflix will delay renting new releases from Warner Brothers for 28 days, and adds "Luckily I am so far behind in my movie watching that I will probably never catch up anyway." "It's part of a strategy by several studios to create staggered releases of DVDs so that the most profitable transactions are available first and cheaper rental options take effect further down the road. The move could be copied by other studios, forcing consumers to wait nearly a month if they want to rent popular movies from Netflix. ... The studio is hoping that the four-week window will push consumers interested in watching movies at home to buy the DVDs or pay a premium to rent them from stores like Blockbuster or from Internet and cable video-on-demand services. Warner Bros. already imposes a 28-day window on $1-a-night kiosk firm Redbox."

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What a great idea! (5, Insightful)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688008)

Artifically deny your customer the ability to buy your product. They'll love you for it!

Feh.

Re:What a great idea! (-1, Offtopic)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688036)

Artificially deny them as well...just artifically doing it isn't enough!

Re:What a great idea! (5, Insightful)

NFN_NLN (633283) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688060)

"The studio is hoping that the four-week window will push consumers interested in watching movies at home to... pirate the movie instead."

Re:What a great idea! (-1, Troll)

msimm (580077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688268)

"The studio is hoping that the four-week window will push consumers interested in watching movies at home to... seek or create an alternative distribution source."

There, fixed that for you. Pirating is just so 19th century.

Re:What a great idea! (3, Insightful)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688370)

Seriously - how many people are so eager to watch the released movies that they can't wait a month but weren't going to buy the movie? Yeah so they are going to piss off a lot of people just so they can pick up a tiny portion of the market?

Re:What a great idea! (1)

X-Power (1009277) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688526)

There are those of us who are not comfortable watching a movie in a setting of 300 of your closest strangers sitting next to you.
I hate going to the movies, but love the movies :)
MKV is the best creation since AVI.

Re:What a great idea! (1, Flamebait)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688590)

Seriously - how many people are so eager to watch the released movies that they can't wait a month but weren't going to buy the movie? Yeah so they are going to piss off a lot of people...

Seriously, how many people are so eager to see a movie that they'll be pissed by a thirty day delay in being able to rent it and yet didn't bother seeing it when it first hit the theaters?

If you are pissed off because you had to wait thirty days to rent a specific movie that you didn't care enough about to see in the theater, you need a life.

Re:What a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688562)

I just hope my torrent download doesn't get stuck on 98% for 27 days :(

Re:What a great idea! (5, Insightful)

Moryath (553296) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688076)

Yeah. They used to wait over a year before you could even get the VHS... and we hated the hell out of that.

Artificial scarcity doesn't work. Period. If only they could learn this.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688120)

Perhaps I'm remembering wrong, but during that window weren't you able to purchase a real VHS copy for some absurdly large amount of money (low triple digits)?

Re:What a great idea! (3, Insightful)

MBGMorden (803437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688234)

Sometimes. Rental places tended to do it. I remember being able to rent a copy of Star Trek Generations 8-10 months before I could find a copy for sale.

And I promptly dubbed a copy of it. I suspect that people will do the digital equivalent (grab it off a torrent site) these days.

Companies just don't get it. We have a way to get your shit for free. If you find ANY way to get us to pay for it then count your lucky stars and hope we keep using that method. Try anything that aggravates us though and we go back to getting it for free.
 

Re:What a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688540)

Tell that to DeBeers, they've operated quite successfully on artificial scarcity.

Re:What a great idea! (5, Insightful)

Anonymusing (1450747) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688168)

On the plus side: "Netflix will use the savings to expand its stock of the studio's DVDs and triple the number of Warner catalog titles it provides through its online streaming option."

In other words, you won't have to wait for the DVD so much -- you'll be able to watch it on your computer. Certainly, the newest releases won't be available that way, but still... anything that expands the (legal) streaming movies options is a good thing.

Re:What a great idea! (5, Interesting)

AthanasiusKircher (1333179) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688470)

Mod parent up. This is an important caveat.

I'm not that happy with the precedent this sets, but I get many of my movies through Netflix streaming these days, which is improving all the time. There are still hundreds of great classic movies I want to see, and I'd prefer an emphasis on those (which tend to be what is showing up on Netflix streaming) rather than getting the most recent crap out of Hollywood as fast as possible.

If you really want to see the damn movie a couple weeks sooner, buy the DVD... or better yet, go to the theatre when it's playing.

There are various trade-offs here, but there are lots of customers who don't use Netflix only as a replacement for the "latest releases" section of Blockbuster.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688190)

That's not at all what's going on, they are adding a 28 day period from when the movie is released on DVD till when it is available on Netflix
 
This being /. I don't expect you to read the article but did you even read the title?

Re:What a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688318)

Netflix is the customer, they buy a lot of DVDs because their clients (i.e. us) want to watch movies but not have to buy the damn things each time. It's an old model, video rental was quite popular in the 80s. Once WB movies are no longer the newest thing out, they're going to have to be pretty big titles for renters to want to watch them, particularly as other studios' new offerings will be available sooner. Not being able to rent a movie from netflix for a month is not going to increase sales for WB.

It would be interesting to know the details of this. If Blockbusters have them a month ahead of Netflix, the lawyers will be rubbing their hands with glee.

Re:What a great idea! (4, Insightful)

jgtg32a (1173373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688530)

Netflix agreed to this because they are getting a discount on their DVD purchases and letting them cut costs.
 
Netflix also doesn't have the same business model that BlockBuster has I pay $x a month and I get unlimited rentals, the less I use the service the better it is for Netflix.
 
WB's research shows that a majority of their sales take place in the first 4 weeks. I assume that they did an analysis and found out that the discount that they give to Netflix will be outweighed by the additional sales.
 
Netflix has no risk in this deal, actually they may even have a bit to gain, they only buy a limited number of each movie. If one of Netflix's customers buys a movie because they were too impatient to wait for it to appear on Netflix; Netflix now has slightly better customer approval because there will be slightly less of a wait time on some of the new releases.

Back to downloading again... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688196)

I used to download movies merciless, because:

1) I don't want to pay for a movie I don't know if it sucks
2) I rent movies because I don't want to commit $20-30 for something that'll take space on my shelf.
3) Renting these days is faster than downloading, especially when I have impromptu parties/ guest

But now, 4-16 hrs to download sure beats 672 hours (28 days).

Good luck WB.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688290)

They'll love making their way down to walgreens/mcdonalds/grocery store to rent it out of a vending machine instead.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

Sebilrazen (870600) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688332)

No they won't.

Warner Bros. already imposes a 28-day window on $1-a-night kiosk firm Redbox.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

Ceiynt (993620) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688368)

IIRC, a lot of Redbox machines are owned and operated by individuals, who go can, if they want to, go to Wal-Mart and buy X number of said video, and stock the machine if they want.

Re:What a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688512)

if they want to, go to Wal-Mart and buy X number of said video, and stock the machine if they want.

Not legally they can't, unless they have some existing agreement specifically allowing them to do so. When you buy a DVD, it's for personal use only. Rights like public showings or rentals are specifically not granted.

Re:What a great idea! (3, Informative)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688564)

You are confusing performance rights with the erosion of the first sale doctrine that decades of propaganda printed on DVDs and VHS tapes has convinced you to buy into.

Actually performing a work (like on a stage) is and always has been seperate and not something transferred by a mere copy of a play, screenplay or sheet music.

COPYright --- see those first 4 letters.

Re:What a great idea! (-1)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688566)

If they're going to do that, they might as well grab the bit torrent and stock the machine for the price of a blank disc.

The license granted when buying the usual DVD for home viewing is not same license to rent the disc.

This is why, if you ever lose a rented disc, the charge is more than it would it cost you to just buy a retail copy.

Re:What a great idea! (1)

DigitalCrackPipe (626884) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688346)

You seem to have confused renting with buying, or perhaps you didn't finish reading the summary. The entire purpose is to push the overly eager to buy the product rather than rent it. Renters don't help their bottom line nearly as much as buyers.

Re:What a great idea! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688360)

Artifically deny your customer the ability to buy your product. They'll love you for it!

Feh.

yeah, and we pirate as a result... they're idiots

Re:What a great idea! (2, Insightful)

rastilin (752802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688398)

Who was it that said "The first rule of business is never make it harder for people to give you their money."?

Re:What a great idea! (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688574)

Not very apropos. Netflix is still going to buy their DVDs (and likely the same amount of them.) Warner doesn't lose any money by delaying this, and they stand to make quite a bit more.

doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688506)

If you are waiting for the movie to show up on Netflix, it won't matter if it comes out 1 day after the theatrical release, 6 months after, or 6 months +28 days.

I'm perfectly fine living 6+ months in the past for movies, so long as those AAA movies are still making it into my queue eventually.

-Rick

28 days later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688010)

is anyone really that hell-bent on getting a movie that they'd rather pirate it than wait 28 days?

Re:28 days later (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688034)

I'm usually a year behind, so I consider all options. Until blueray takes over and I'm forced to pirate just to watch movies, services like Netflix are great.

I also like the Amazon service; I don't really care if it's DRMed to hell if it's just a rental that I'm going to watch once.

Re:28 days later (2, Interesting)

Pojut (1027544) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688086)

We use the hell out of our Netflix subscription...6 out at a time, and sometimes even that doesn't feel like enough. It works out well though...she tends to rent interesting documentaries and sci-fi, while I tend to rent the classics she hasn't seen and horror movies she hasn't seen. We both work together on choosing anime and TV series.

Having a massive selection of b-horror movies and silent films ready and waiting is awesome.

Re:28 days later (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688058)

When it's as easy as 1) Search a torrent site and 2) Clicking the magnet link and wait for it to download, I would say yes.

Re:28 days later (1)

omgarthas (1372603) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688132)

These times you can download 1090p w/ dts sound bluray rips in less than an hour so... yes

Re:28 days later (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688404)

1090 wow. mine are 1080.. I want my additional 19200 pixels

Re:28 days later (1)

windex82 (696915) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688524)

Ever since I signed up for netflix/blockbuster I've wondered..

Is it really pirating by obtaining it someplace else WHILE I'm paying netflix. For example, most of their movies arent available on demand so I have to queue them. Is it really pirating at that point if I download and watch it from say TPB? The DVD will be on its way. Netflix/Blockbuster is still getting their cut as are the studios so how is it that I am in the wrong?

Why wouldn't this line of reasoning stand up in court if you were to be busted for downloading a movie? Really the way I see it is if its rent-able by netflix and I have an account in good standing I should be entitle to watch anything I could rent no matter the means of transfer.

I'll just wait longer... (5, Insightful)

SOOPRcow (1279010) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688046)

If I really want the movie on dvd I'm gonna buy it anyway. If I was just gonna rent it when it comes out on dvd what makes you think I'll want to buy it instead of waiting 28 extra days? Or at worse one could always pirate it since I'm sure there will be dvd rips on the net. Anyway, this isn't all bad... more streaming stuff :)

Re:I'll just wait longer... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688166)

It isn't about your behavior, it is about the aggregate behavior of millions of people, and it is a little more plausible that there will be impulse purchases in that window if you consider everyone instead of just yourself.

Re:I'll just wait longer... (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688230)

An impulse buy of $20 for a DVD you weren't planning on buying anyways?

Versus FREE?

No wonder national and personal finances are in such a mess.

Re:I'll just wait longer... (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688266)

Well, my personal finances are fine. My income isn't anything I am excited about, but I am in control of my consumption.

Re:I'll just wait longer... (1)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688582)

An impulse buy of $20 for a DVD you weren't planning on buying anyways?

Versus FREE?

No wonder national and personal finances are in such a mess.

No moral or ethical qualms about not paying for something that you should pay for? No wonder national and personal ethics are in such a mess. No wonder nobody seems to "care" anymore...

Re:I'll just wait longer... (1)

Binestar (28861) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688246)

These are my thoughts exactly. What do I care that I have to wait another 28 days before I can watch $random_WB_movie? I have so much in the queue I couldn't care less when I watch something.

The real news here is more streaming content. With my TiVo linked to my Netflix account I almost don't care about the DVD's they send me anymore.

Re:I'll just wait longer... (5, Insightful)

bit9 (1702770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688384)

Mod parent up.

I don't know anybody (myself included) who actually keeps track of DVD release dates, much less counts down in anticipation of a DVD being released. Pretty much every movie that I rent from Netflix is something that I've decided I don't mind waiting for, and apart from the 2-3 movies down at the bottom of my Netflix queue that say "Releases mm/dd/yyyy", I literally never have any idea when a given movie is/was/will be released on DVD.

Okay, so maybe not everybody is like me in this respect. Maybe there are hordes of people who will now be thinking to themselves "Damn! I just can't wait another month! I guess I'll have to buy that DVD after all." But I just don't see it happening that way. I don't know anybody who thinks that way. I do know a couple DVD junkies who seem to think they just have to own every movie ever made on DVD, but this isn't going to change their habits anyway.

They are betting that their customers won't care (2, Interesting)

Meshach (578918) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688054)

From the FA:

"This deal uniquely works for Netflix because our subscribers are desensitized to street dates and more interested in being matched to the perfect movie," said Ted Sarandos, Netflix's chief content officer, who handles studio relationships. "Some subscribers will so passionately want to see it in the first 28 days they may go out and buy it, just as some people want to see 'Avatar' so badly they pay to watch it in 3-D."

This sounds like a risky strategy. Creating more hassles and delays for your customer does not seem to be a "customer first" attitude. But I guess ultimately the market will decide if it is reasonable.

Re:They are betting that their customers won't car (2, Insightful)

CannonballHead (842625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688112)

One could argue that ever deciding that the company should make more money is not a "customer first" attitude.

"Customer first" is at best a goal of a company. Most companies want to stay afloat first ... which may or may not be directly tied to a "customer first" ideal.

But to think that companies are actively trying to seek ways to lower their profit in order to put the customer first seems a little idealistic. Sorta like thinking that most customers *won't* choose the cheaper of two products, all other things with the product identical. Some to have a brand loyalty, but I'm not sure most do.

Re:They are betting that their customers won't car (4, Insightful)

MWoody (222806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688184)

How is it a hassle? It IS a delay, but as Netflix is the only place I use to check new releases, it's one I admittedly won't notice. In return, we'll get way more instant-watch movies available, which I don't have to wait for and can watch on my laptop or two of the three consoles in the house.

It's hardly an anti-customer strategy when they make the same choice I'd have asked them to, given the option. The only thing currently stopping Instant-Watch from being really awesome is its subpar selection. And really, if I cared about seeing the movies from Netflix soon after they came out, I'd have seen them in theaters.

Re:They are betting that their customers won't car (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688394)

How is it a hassle? It IS a delay, but as Netflix is the only place I use to check new releases, it's one I admittedly won't notice. In return, we'll get way more instant-watch movies available, which I don't have to wait for and can watch on my laptop or two of the three consoles in the house.

Yeah, I use Netflix almost exclusively to stream movies these days. A delay in new releases is almost unnoticeable to me, since if I wanted to see it, I would have seen it in the theater.

Plus, Netflix has some awesome indie crap-gems on Instant for those of us who love to watch bad movies with friends.

Re:They are betting that their customers won't car (4, Insightful)

businessnerd (1009815) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688286)

It might be risky, but I think his assessment of the average Netflix customer is fairly accurate. At least is describes me, a Netflix customer, accurately. Typically, when you hear of a movie coming out that you want to see, you add it to the queue. It's not out yet, but once it is sitting at the top of the queue ready once it becomes available. Except that movie is in high demand, so it says "Long wait" next to it. The second movie in the queue comes instead. But you don't really care, because you still want to see that movie. It's not like I'm a seven year old that has to see THAT one NOW! It will come when it's ready. In the mean time, I have a long list of movies that I have already said I want to see that will ship in its place until it is my turn. At a certain point, you stop paying attention to what's next, and you just accept what arrives in the mail. Any movie that I really really want to see, I would have already seen in the theaters. Avatar was a good example. Wanted to see badly and also appreciated the big screen experience.

The thing that bothers me a little is how Netflix is being prioritized by the studios due to the fact that they are cheap. The article mentions the same with the RedBoxes. Both are far cheaper for the consumer than in-store rentals or on-demand from Cable/Satelite and they get the worst priority. It's as if the studios resent those customers for finding a great bargain and want to take out their anger on them. But again, if seeing that movie right away is that important, you can pay the premium to do so.

Re:They are betting that their customers won't car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688560)

It seems like it might work, considering how most people I know use Netflix. You hear of a movie, you queue it up, it eventually comes. Sometimes it comes sooner, sometimes later, depending on release dates, availability, whether you move things above it, etc. I'm guessing lots of people won't really notice this extra factor determining availability, especially since new releases on Netflix are already often delayed due to the not-enough-copies thing giving them a "long wait" status. If you queue up new movies when they're in theatres, and then forget about doing so, you might not even notice when it's released to DVD until it actually shows up in your mailbox.

The Hangover (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688056)

...Mike Chauvet opened a red envelope from Netflix and popped "The Hangover" into his DVD player.

I didn't see why the hype was over that movie. It wasn't funny.

Many of those movies really aren't worth it - so I have to wait - big deal.

I'm seeing that we're getting closer and closer to *"Ouch! My Balls!" as being the height of what's considered funny in this society.

Reference to "Idiocracy".

Soo all the more reason for me (2, Insightful)

future assassin (639396) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688062)

to visit more pawn shops to get my brand new dvd for $3.99 Way to take away a choice for consumers so you can alienate even more of them.

Re:Soo all the more reason for me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688460)

Really? Do you put a tape recorder up to the radio to record your favorite songs too?

Something tells me BT sites won't do this (1)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688068)

Which makes them retarded. Seriously, one of the best ways to combat copying is to make it easier/more attractive to buy. People are lazy, make it worth their while to pay you, and they'll probably do that since it is easier and less risky than downloading. However, be a moron about it, and they'll go to where they can get what they want.

Re:Something tells me BT sites won't do this (0, Troll)

MWoody (222806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688240)

Really? So you're saying pirates are patiently waiting for the DVD or Bluray to come out before watching films? How polite.

Cancel (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688088)

I'm going to cancel my netflix over this. I don't care if I cannot watch WB movies, but I don't like the precedent. The only way we can get across to WB and netflix that this is not a good idea is to speak with our wallets.

They still don't get it (2, Interesting)

JamJam (785046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688116)

These movie studios are still stuck in their old ways of doing things. They try to DMR content, for the longest time deny online streaming and basically go out of their way to stymie the consumer from what they want. Why are these studios having such a hard time moving to a new delivery model without imposing limits? Surely it's got to be more than just making an extra buck or two. Do they have a sense of entitlement and control over us?

First year economics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688126)

Because WB is ignorant of economics and the idea of price discrimination, the motivation for doing this is pure hatred of consumers. Obviously Slashdot commenters cannot be wrong!

messing with the free market (1)

WarJolt (990309) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688148)

if it mattered that much then a site that only rents 28 day old wb movies would show up. I doubt that there is that much demand.

28 days diiference? Not quite. (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688170)

But then theres the shipping time. Unless you want to pay extra for overnight or 2 day shipping. If you want free super saver shipping, you can wait 10 days or so. Netflix is 2 days. So its only 20 days difference.

Re:28 days diiference? Not quite. (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688378)

There are stores that sell movies other than Amazon, like Wal-Mart, Target, and Best Buy in the United States, all of which have thousands of retail locations and sell new media on the release date.

Re:28 days diiference? Not quite. (1)

rossdee (243626) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688570)

The postman brings me my Netflix movies (and Amazon purchases too)

Walmart is over 5 miles away - I don't walk that far even in summer.
K-Mart is within walking distance (half an hour) in summer, but it is winter now. Its upwind, and its nearly -40 wind chill outside.

Great way to "prove" piracy hurts (3, Interesting)

GuerreroDelInterfaz (922857) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688174)

Really.

People only buy movies they really, really like. The others, they rent them.

Delaying rent will not cause people to buy them bu to download them. Thus "proving" that piracy is really, really bad, evil and unAmerican...

It looks like they are getting smarter :-/

Free market at work! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688176)

If you don't like this, then DONT USE THEIR SERVICE. The fact that netflix does this and is still outrageously profitable means that consumers really don't care as much as the statists on slashdot want us all to think they care.

Re:Free market at work! (2, Insightful)

bensode (203634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688504)

I have over 110 movies in my queue and I check the new releases at least once a month and add anything that appears in there that I want to see. With the 3 disk option, I am about 6-8 months behind the "new release" curve anyway. I would find it hard to believe that I am unique in this situation. I mean, I can watch 3 movies a week, maybe 4 or 5 if I really have some extra time over the wekeend. But seriously, if WB wants to make people wait 28 days, good for them. At least DVD release cycles are better than VHS back in the old days (get off my lawn?) of the 80s and 90s you had to wait a year, sometimes two for a movie to get released for rental from the local Erols ...

Piracy (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688178)

Are they _TRYING_ to increase piracy of their movies? I actually think they are with a long-term view towards "See! Look! Piracy is on the rise! You MUST create new laws that enable us to control the populace's computers and media players!" I cannot imagine anybody not knowing this will increase piracy rates and, thus, I am forced to believe they're doing this with that goal intentionally in mind.

Re:Piracy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688430)

It's just like chess . . . My dumb move may encourage you to make a dumber move.

MPAA + RIAA new business model = make product, delay product, charge outrageous fees for product, encourage copyright violation (I refuse to call anything that's not violent in the least piracy) and sue sue sue. Forget about making a product that's worth buying, hire better attorneys than your artists. The law suits are a better return on their investment, the lawyers are bought and paid for, and don't even need to be creative with their arguments anymore.

Resentment (1)

vvaduva (859950) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688188)

I won't spend $30 on a movie just because they make me wait a month. They are only creating resentment and increasing the dissatisfaction customers already have. How long will they ride this wave of arrogance??

Why only some rentals? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30688192)

I can see their logic to wanting a limit on all rentals, and that you can only buy it within some window. (I don't agree with it, and I think it's stupid logic, but I can at least see why someone might agree with it.)

But why single out Netflix vs. my neighborhood video store? Do they get any less money if I rent from one vs. the other? I mean, they both need to buy some number of copies.

Another legal pipeline bits the dust (1)

fermion (181285) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688206)

So I had a choice of using Netflix or some other rental service and getting a movie around the date of availability. Sure I had to wait for a movie to come to DVD, but that generally happens pretty quickly. It wasn't a huge deal. It feels good not to break copyright, and Netflix does compete well with free.

But now the rules have changed. Today it is a 30 day delay. Tomorrow it might 60 or 90. If one is not willing to buy a DVD, one does not get the movie. Purchase does not compete well with free.

Sure the studios have every right to do this, but it certainly opens holes for those who are not so dedicated to the copyright. Some might buy a copy of move, rip it, and then resell it to recoup some of the money. Or just give up on the whole trying to obey the law thing and just go back to downloading tapped copies the week before the film is released to theatres.

Only will work if DVD + theater = same day (1)

davidwr (791652) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688252)

If I didn't watch it in the first few weeks in the theater, I can wait another month.

On the other hand, if they are releasing DVD/BlueRay within a week or two of the theater release, this may be a good strategy.

Awesome job! (2, Interesting)

kellin (28417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688264)

As everyone has already pointed out, making it HARDER for customers to get YOUR product is only going to DRIVE THEM to find it another way. IE BIT TORRENT or any other piracy trend.

This is quite clear, in the recent decision by the BBC to broadcast the recent Dr Who two-parter in the US the DAY AFTER it broadcast in the UK. Gee. What were my choices, bit torrent, or wait a WHOLE DAY to DVR it? I chose to DVR, cause it was EASIER and better to watch on my TV.

Re:Awesome job! (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688578)

I think torrenting would actually be easier - no ads, no need to program anything, easier to create a copy for a mobile device, and no need to worry about power failures or cable provider's problems.

Rogue (2, Informative)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688278)

When Netflix was a rogue outfit that bought DVDs "off the shelf" and thumbed their noses at the studios it was an awesome service.

Streaming seems to have turned them into a negotiating machine that gives the studios what they want at the expense of the Netflix customer. The result is that it has become a clearinghouse for unpopular content.

I just tried 'em again for a month, and it has become dismal.

-Peter

Re:Rogue (1)

bill_mcgonigle (4333) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688410)

Streaming seems to have turned them into a negotiating machine that gives the studios what they want at the expense of the Netflix customer.

WB must be giving them a massive discount on discs to do this. In theory they can parley that savings into better customer experience in other ways, maybe first-run WB content on streaming.

The smell of smug is overwhelming (-1, Troll)

freshmayka (1043432) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688296)

You all reek of smug.

Sorry that your perfect world of free content isn't so perfect.

Sorry that you have to deal with companies trying to make money from their products.

Sorry that you have to wait three or four more weeks to fill your head with escapism.

Perhaps the problem isn't the companies, perhaps it's the over-whelming stench of smug that reeks from you pathetic people too entitled to pay for ANYTHING.


Fuck all of you for being tech-savy entitled pricks who think the whole world of escapist media should be delivered into their retinas free of charge and instantaneously.

You deserve the future dystopia you are helping to build.

(I am not a trolling, I pay for all my media, and I don't complain about companies controlling what they want to do with THEIR PRODUCTS THEY FUCKING MADE)

Re:The smell of smug is overwhelming (1)

nxtw (866177) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688438)

Netflix subscriptions cost money.

The people who get free content won't have to deal with this restriction; many DVD/Blu-ray rips are available online before the retail release date anyway.

It's a plan (2, Interesting)

Looce (1062620) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688302)

It's a plan to make crappier movies and still make money from them.

Some people rent movies as they come out, before they buy them, to make sure that what they buy is good movies.

By delaying renting for a month (of February in a non-leap year), the studios are making the more impatient and impulse-buying people buy hyped movies, and you can't back out on that, unless of course you outsmart these guys and wait the month before renting the movie, deciding that it's crap and not buying it.

Companies prey on impulse buyers. Patience is a virtue.

Re:It's a plan (3, Insightful)

dreamt (14798) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688520)

I agree on the 2nd sentence there -- I won't buy a movie unless I've seen it. There were 1 or 2 overhyped movies that I bought prior to watching them, and never again. If they are delaying my ability to see it first, they are only delaying my ability to purchase it. And if I've waited a month after its come out already, I might as well wait a few more months for it to hit the bargain bin price. So not only have they lost out on me being able to purchase it, they've lost out on my purchasing it anywhere near the "retail" price. Good work. Epic FAIL.

Just Say No to revenue (4, Insightful)

Sloppy (14984) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688340)

The studio is hoping that the four-week window will push consumers interested in watching movies at home to..

..check the torrent sites.

Perhaps I'm the only one, but... (1)

Knara (9377) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688354)

I really don't need to see "new releases" right away in order to feel like I'm connected in some social sense. Would it be nice? Sure, but it's no more a grand conspiracy against movie consumers than limited-time platform exclusive video game releases are against video game consumers.

I'm sure someone will find a flaw in my logic.

Like it really matters with netflix (1)

shemp42 (1406965) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688362)

Like this matters! Who can ever get new releases from Netlix when they come out? Every time I add a new movie that is popular(I.E. The Hangover) it sits in my queue with the words "Very Long Wait" for three months. So its not really an issue. Who has Netflix for new releases?

Oh Jeez Not this Shit Again (1)

rudy_wayne (414635) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688374)

forcing consumers to wait nearly a month if they want to rent popular movies from Netflix

Well boo fucking hoo. Hey fatass. Get off the couch and do something besides watch TV all day.

Cant be any bigger argument for piracy (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688418)

"It's part of a strategy by several studios to create staggered releases of DVDs so that the most profitable transactions are available first and cheaper rental options take effect further down the road"

a quite elaborate marketerspeak for "a new way to rape the customer". and then they come complain about piracy ...

Silver lining (2, Informative)

bdrewery (1317617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688422)

The summary forgets to mention that in return for the 28 day delay, WB is opening its library to Netflix for streaming. For the cheap price this service costs, waiting 4 weeks to see a crappy movie which I've already waited months to see since it was in theaters, really isn't a big deal.

Re:Silver lining (1)

chrispitude (535888) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688546)

I'm a Netflix customer. I'm much happier about the greatly improved streaming options, and could care less about a 4-week delay of new releases. I've got several dozen unwatched movies on my list at any given time anyway. In my mind, Netflix pulled a fast one on Warner on behalf of the customer. Good move, Netflix.

It won't make one bit of difference (1)

EyesofWolf (879816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688442)

It's not going to make any difference. I don't know about any of you, but I wait that long for my movies anyways when they are new releases. Just about every new release that is even moderately popular gets listed as "Very Long Wait" for a few weeks. So, I'm already waiting. I think the record was for the latest season of Dexter - I think it was three months after it was released on DVD when I saw the first disc. So... meh.

The upside for Netflix (and us) (3, Informative)

Stealth Dave (189726) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688516)

The summary did not mention what Netflix gets out of the deal: more on-demand content. From the article:

Although Warner's unilateral move against Redbox has led to a court battle, Netflix agreed to the 28-day window in exchange for improved financial terms and more content for its Internet streaming service. (my emphasis)

As someone who has Netflix Instant Queue available directly on my television (thanks, TiVo), I'm more than happy to wait another month for a latest release if it means I can decide on a Thursday evening that I'd rather watch "Big Movie A" instead of "Big Movie B" without having to wait 2 days (one day to mail back, one day to receive) to see it.

Why can they do this legally? (1)

BatsShadow (776317) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688548)

Doesn't Netflix have the same rights as anyone else to buy new releases? Am I allowed to buy movies and charge other people to borrow them or is that a special right not granted by law but instead licensed by the studios to rental services?

Just when you thought they couldn't get dumber... (2, Insightful)

Perp Atuitie (919967) | more than 4 years ago | (#30688604)

Amazing. Could it possibly be that a whole bunch of former customers will just forget they were ever interested? Are they going to move back the window for showing on on-demand and premium cable, too? When 95 percent of the product you produce is utter crap, each mostly indistinguishable from all the other pieces of crap, it sure makes sense to make yours harder to get. Of course when the obvious an inevitable effects are felt it will all be the pirates' fault, or some woman videoing a theater party.
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