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Air Canada Ordered To Provide Nut-Free Zone

samzenpus posted more than 4 years ago | from the no-nuts dept.

Transportation 643

JamJam writes "Air Canada has been told to create a special 'buffer zone' on flights for people who are allergic to nuts. The Canadian Transportation Agency has ruled that passengers who have nut allergies should be considered disabled and accommodated by the airline. Air Canada has a month to come up with an appropriate section of seats where passengers with nut allergies would be seated. The ruling involved a complaint from Sophia Huyer, who has a severe nut allergy and travels frequently. Ms. Huyer once spent 40 minutes in the washroom during a flight while snacks were being served."

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Shrimp free zone? (5, Insightful)

Lord Lode (1290856) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701630)

Should there also be a shrimp free zone for those who are allergic to shrimps, and a strawberry free zone for those who are alergic to strawberries, and maybe a sweater free zone for those who are allergic to sweaters?

Re:Shrimp free zone? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701780)

A decent number of people with nuts allergies can react to particles in the air or find the smell of nuts absolutely revolting. They're also the most commonly fatal allergies. There is some iota of rationale.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (3, Interesting)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701810)

Many people with allergies to fur can react to particles in the air as well, or find the smell absolutely revolting. Should we ban dogs and cats from traveling in planes? Admittedly the allergy is rarely fatal--- but the peanut allergy appears not to be in this setting, either, as there is not a single documented case of someone dying due to peanut dust circulating inside an airliner.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701856)

Really, not a joke, serious proposal: can't we just force everyone to eat peanuts, lots of peanuts, and let Nature take its course? In one generation just get rid of these allergies once and for all. I prefer that to altering everyone's lives to accomodate an allergy that a tiny percentage of the population has.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (5, Funny)

MrNaz (730548) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701958)

I also propose that anyone who receives more than a certain number of down mods be killed. That ought to fix Slashdot conversations on the double.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (3, Funny)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701960)

>> Really, not a joke, modest proposal
Fixed that for you.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702138)

You're assuming that peanut hypersensitivity is genetic, and a dominant trait at that. It seems far more likely that genetics can at most give you a predisposition to the allergy. Environmental factors determine whether you get it or not, the genetics only determine how easily that happens.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (3, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702140)

Really, not a joke, serious proposal: can't we just force everyone to eat peanuts, lots of peanuts, and let Nature take its course? In one generation just get rid of these allergies once and for all. I prefer that to altering everyone's lives to accomodate an allergy that a tiny percentage of the population has.

Speaking as someone whom your proposal would kill, I'm gonna say... no.

Besides, you're assuming that allergies are 100% genetic in origin, while current research seems to indicate a combination of genetic and environmental factors. A single generation isn't going to do it.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702256)

Actually, there is a way for people to become un-allergenic. If you keep exposing yourself to amounts of the allergen that won't actually kill you, and then ever so gradually increase the dosage, eventually your allergy will go away. It's just that this is a wee bit uncomfortable, so instead they will demand things like nut-free zones.

Interestingly, you can also use this method to become immune to quite a few poisons as well.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702132)

Nut allergies affect >1% of the population. In addition nuts are very common on planes. To add to that a plane recycles the air and it is an enclosed area.

On the other hand fur allergy is a myth, people are allergic to different types of animals. Animals are NOT allowed on planes with the people anyways.

I don't know whether the danger is big enough to have this. I think that on most planes there will be avg, .25 persons with a severe nut allergy. The chance of them sitting within 2seats of someone eating nuts is maybe 25%. They should be given an unquestioned seat change if one is available. Or they could be moved to a misc staff seat (there's guaranteed to be at least 1 extra). I think that that would be more than sufficient. I suppose they decided this was easier?/safer?

Anyways, point is your comparison is a little unfair

Re:Shrimp free zone? (2, Insightful)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701836)

I suppose there's always the alternative option of disrupting everyone's flight plans to reroute the plane and land at the nearest airport dropping off the convulsing sick patron triggered by the adjacent patron who refused to stop chomping down bag after bag of peanuts.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1, Funny)

ShatteredArm (1123533) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702058)

I suppose they could land at the nearest airport, but I have a much better solution. Simply strap a parachute on the passenger, give him a brief overview of how a parachute is to be operated, and shove him out the door. And the passenger will also get lots of fresh, peanut-free air to breathe on the way down!

Re:Shrimp free zone? (2, Insightful)

Conditioner (1405031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701880)

I bet there just going to stop serving these nuts...

Re:Shrimp free zone? (5, Insightful)

twitcher101 (1712418) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701896)

If they served strawberries or shrimp on planes, yes. But all we get is a bag of salted peanuts in hope we will spend $5 on a drink. Allergies that can kill are no joking matter, and a nut free zone might be a better solution to the problem than having to divert a plane because someone went into anaphylactic shock...

Re:Shrimp free zone? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702120)

We should feed nuts to people with those allergies! Out of the gene pool weaklings!

Re:Shrimp free zone? (5, Funny)

Dipsomaniac (1102131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702144)

"Allergies that can kill are no joking matter..."

Oh.
Now I understand all those dirty looks I've been getting.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702200)

I bet the fine they get for breaking this policy isn't going to be peanuts!

They can put up a wall to separate off this section. It would of course be called a nut wall or Wall Nut.

I wonder if they will have a section for people with screw allergies?

I wonder why the decided to pecan the airlines over buses and trains?

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1)

bth (635955) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701908)

There are allergies and there are allergies. None are pleasant, but some (like allergies to peanuts) can lead to anaphylaxis and death.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (0, Redundant)

sowth (748135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701948)

What airline do they serve shrimp? Are the people who are allergic to shrimp have such an extreme reaction that they can't even touch shrimp? Apparently some peanut allergies are that bad. Some people can't even be around peanuts because even the small amount of molecules ejected into the air causes problems.

That is why there was a problem. Airlines like to serve peanuts during flight, and even slight exposure to peanuts causes serious problems for this woman. Then again, some assholes would rather believe other people's medical problems are just "imaginary" so they don't have to deal with it. I've met plenty of those.

It's not like this is a huge inconvenience for other people. The airline just has to give some other snack in that section. I also have a soybean allergy, but not as bad as this woman. Sometimes even being around someone who has used a soy based dryer sheet on their clothes is enough to set it off.

Though, I'm also allergic to jack-booted idiot security theater thugs who have the power of the gestapo. Does this mean they need to make a TSA free zone for me?

Re:Shrimp free zone? (1)

cptdondo (59460) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702010)

Good grief. I'm far more inconvenienced by the fat turds that take up half my seat but I don't get a special "fat free" zone.

I'm all for reasonable accomodation. People are alergic to all sorts of things, and reasonable accomodation should be made. But really, it's her choice to fly, not something forced upon her. If being in public is so dangerous, she should stay home. (Really, even if the airline doesn't serve peanuts, I can still bring them on board.)

And, will she only fly Air Canada? What about all the other airlines in the world?

This whole thing smacks of self-promotion and cheap publicity.

Re:Shrimp free zone? (2, Insightful)

Montezumaa (1674080) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702062)

An allergy is not a disability. As long as someone who has extreme reactions to a certain food or other product, then they can live full and unrestricted lives. I have a disability, a real disability, and saying someone with an allergy has a disability deminishes those with real disabilities. There is nothing someone with a real disability, such as myself, can do to avoid pain or the inability to function "normally". Cancer is a disability, epilepsy is a disability, non-functioning appendages qualifies a person as disabled; a peanut allergy is not a disability.

An irritation, maybe, but a disability? No.

Will this madness ever end? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702242)

How about the people who are allergic to deodorants ?

Should airlines create "deodorant free zones" for them as well?

Will this "disability" madness ever end?

I'm allergic to... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701650)

I'm allergic to idiots. Is there anywhere in Canada I will be able to travel?

travelling to Canada (3, Funny)

billstewart (78916) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701796)

If you can get past Customs, the rest of the country will be just fine for you...

Re:I'm allergic to... (0)

davester666 (731373) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701964)

So, you're trying to get away from the high concentration of them in the US?

Re:I'm allergic to... (0)

sowth (748135) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701990)

Just stay north of the US/Canada border, and you should avoid all the self-righteous idiots just fine. :-)

Re:I'm allergic to... (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702166)

Nunavut only has 0.015idiots/km^2. That's gotta be better than most places.

Baby Free Zone? (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701656)

I'm allergic to noisy babies and children who kick my seat-back. Where's my zone?

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1)

lena_10326 (1100441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701776)

It's called business class.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1)

spun (1352) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701868)

In most airliners, business class is fairly small and positioned right next to coach. While it may do away with the seat-back kickers, it won't help protect from the crying babies.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1)

Obfuscant (592200) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702126)

It's called business class.

You don't fly in business class much, do you? Last flight -- two babies and three kids. And one of the babies wasn't happy at all.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701806)

It should be the entire plane, babies and small children should be on the DO NOT FLY list. :-)

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1, Insightful)

wizardforce (1005805) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701988)

Your allergy to noisy babies and children won't kill you. A severe allergic reaction to peanuts most certainly can.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702112)

...but if the case gets severe enough, have you thought about the lives of the noisy babies and unruly children?!?

Re:Baby Free Zone? (3, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702172)

I understand that there are severe allergic reactions.

I understand that some people are sensative to notice it within the same room.

Has there ever been a case of someone being killed by a peanut in the same room?

Or do they merely get discomforted (itchy, hot, etc) much like everyone else on the airplane?

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1)

yamfry (1533879) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702234)

Your allergy to noisy babies and children won't kill you.

I dunno. I'd prefer not to take any chances.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1)

causality (777677) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702084)

I'm allergic to noisy babies and children who kick my seat-back. Where's my zone?

Sounds like you're allergic to irresponsible parents, at least in that latter example.

Re:Baby Free Zone? (1, Flamebait)

_merlin (160982) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702190)

I'm allergic to selfish arseholes who seem to have forgotten that they were babies at one point. Where can I get an AK-59, so I can use them for target practice?

"She wants all nuts banned from all airlines." (2, Insightful)

MilesTails (1413987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701690)

And I want all nut-jobs banned from life. Good luck with that.

Stop serving nuts (5, Insightful)

BearRanger (945122) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701738)

Like almost all US airlines have done. Of course Ms. Huyer will then complain that everyone will be getting snacks but her... (not to make like of nut allergies, which really can be deadly. But a "nut free zone" in an enclosed space with recirculated air? Just switch to pretzels and be done with it.)

Re:Stop serving nuts (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701788)

what about those of us who have psychological issues with pretzels? can we sue? Are we a minority too? what about those of us who LIKE peanuts? I can see it now, Stewardess comes around with the little cart and immediately the air masks are deployed...

Re:Stop serving nuts (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701910)

those of us who have psychological issues with pretzels?

Is that you, Dubya?

Re:Stop serving nuts (2, Interesting)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701954)

Does this mean my Snickers bar will now be confiscated by security?

Re:Stop serving nuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702064)

But of course!!! How do we know that's really nougat in your Snickers bar and not semtex? ;)

Re:Stop serving nuts (5, Funny)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701980)

Just switch to pretzels and be done with it.

Twisted logic.

Re:Stop serving nuts (1)

nextekcarl (1402899) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702134)

I laughed when I read your comment. And then I laughed again when I saw your screen name. Are you the reason for this woman's lawsuit?

Re:Stop serving nuts (2, Informative)

djKing (1970) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702018)

From the TFA "She wants all nuts banned from all airlines."

- Peace

Bomb Free Zone (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701760)

Solve this problem first

Wait wait, What? (2, Insightful)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701778)

The Canadian Transportation Agency has ruled that passengers who have nut allergies should be considered disabled and accommodated by the airline

If they are ruling that they are disabled, should they also allow them to park in the blue spaces?

Funny (1)

eugene2k (1213062) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701786)

I thought people alergic to nuts have to eat them to have an allergic reaction not look at others eating them. When did those rules get changed?

Re:Funny (3, Informative)

nate_in_ME (1281156) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701808)

In some cases, if the allergy is severe enough, it's enough to be in the same room/space as whatever you are allergic to.

Re:Funny (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701928)

Funny Story:

My sister was flying somewhere for a class trip. Stupid kids being stupid kids someone started a food fight and she ended up getting decked with a peanut butter cookie. My sister is severely allergic to nuts. The only thing that saved her life and everyone else getting diverted was the fact she had an emergency epi pen in pocket and was able to use it.

While I find this story a bit silly, I can understand this woman's plight. I think I would be rather upset if an airline told my sister to piss off because she was allergic to nuts. Breathing in the smell of peanuts is enough to make it hard for her to breath. We could never use peanut oil at home for this reason. I just don't really see a good solution other then not serving nuts on a flight with an allergic. Which is reasonable on a case by case basis in my opinion. There just isn't a real good solution to make everyone happy.

Re:Funny (1)

Trepidity (597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702076)

Are there actually documented cases of someone in an airliner dying or having a medical emergency due solely to peanut particles wafting through the ventilation system? I can't find any, despite the frequent claims that it "could" happen.

Not the case (3, Informative)

earnest murderer (888716) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701832)

Many people with severe nut allergies can suffer serious allergic reactions on contact with nuts, even things that come in contact with nuts. Your skin is quite happy to absorb many things that get on it.

Re:Funny (2, Informative)

SomeJoel (1061138) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701834)

The potential for cross-contamination with nuts is surprisingly high. Just a little bit of peanut in the wrong place can be deadly. For this reason, entire school districts are "nut-free" with kids actually getting in trouble for bringing peanut butter sandwiches to school. I'm not sure if it's a good thing (protect the small population that has a severe nut allergy) or a bad thing (inconvenience everyone else), but apparently a lot of people do care about this issue.

Re:Funny (1)

todrules (882424) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702128)

That's what I used to think. But I had a coworker awhile back who was severely allergic to nuts, and one day I brought in a PBJ sandwich, and she sat a few cubicles away from me, and almost immediately asked if somebody was eating something with nuts because her throat and skin started to itch. Until that day, I never really realized exactly how bad food allergies could be.

Re:Funny (1)

|Cozmo| (20603) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702194)

I shared an office with a guy with an egg allergy like that once. I had an egg omlette for breakfast at work and he comes in a while later and freaked out "were you eating eggs in here!??!!"

I don't know how you could live avoiding everything with egg in it.

hell yes! (1)

Shanrak (1037504) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701794)

My first impression was hell yes, nuts like Sophia Huyer won't be allowed inside that zone where I will be sitting, and then I realized it was the other way around.

Reasonable Accomodation (1)

omnichad (1198475) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701804)

With the ADA in the U.S., one only has to make *reasonable* accomodations. You obviously don't have a motion-free zone who get terrible motion sickness. I'd say this request is unreasonable.

Re:Reasonable Accomodation (1)

nsayer (86181) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701974)

Tell that to all the business owners in Alpine, CA [signonsandiego.com] . In particular, consider debating the necessity of making a Harley Davidson dealership fully wheelchair accessible, among other things.

Re:Reasonable Accomodation (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702100)

They could easily serve pretzels on a certain number of flights each week.

Pets on Air Canada (2, Informative)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701812)

CBC story about Air Canada having to provide nut-free zones [www.cbc.ca] on account of allergies...

...and another CBC story about Air Canada allowing pets [www.cbc.ca] in their cabins starting in July. Err...

Re:Pets on Air Canada (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701852)

What about my pet nut?

Re:Pets on Air Canada (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702016)

You get your nuts pet when you go through security before the flight.

Re:Pets on Air Canada (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701920)

Does this mean all pets must be neutered before flying?

Re:Pets on Air Canada (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701978)

Pet allergies are far more rarely fatal than nut allergies.

Special seating? (1)

Grimbleton (1034446) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701824)

How about the wings?

I'm 6'5" (5, Insightful)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701828)

Can I please have a special government-enforced seating zone that has an extra 6" of leg room, at no extra charge?

Re:I'm 6'5" (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701994)

Sure, if the lack of leg room causes you to swell up and die.

Re:I'm 6'5" (2, Insightful)

RoFLKOPTr (1294290) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702094)

Actual direct exposure to a lack of leg room has a tendency to cause cramps sometimes lasting several days. Unlike someone with a peanut allergy, though, I must pay extra to tell the airline not to give me that which could cause me harm. I feel this is discriminatory and I demand legislation.

Re:I'm 6'5" (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702210)

Call me when it kills you, until thean deal with it like I do my cat allergy that makes me sick for a day or two when people take them on flights.

Re:I'm 6'5" (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702122)

I haven't heard of anyone Swelling up and dieing from being in the same room as a peanut. Maybe it happens, I don't know.

I have heard of people getting really itchy by simply coming in contact with a surface that recently had a peanut on it.

That sounds no more discomforting than being 6'5" on an airplane with seats designed for someone 5'0"

Re:I'm 6'5" (1)

calmofthestorm (1344385) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702188)

I have a cat allergy that just gives me severe sinus headaches for that day and the day after and spent 5 hours on a flight next to a woman whose blanket clearly was Catted. This I call inconvenient.

Peanut is the most common lethal allergy, and quite often being in the same room is sufficient to cause them to go into anaphylactic shock. I have a cousin who can't eat any nuts and can't be around peanut consumption. Just sitting in a bowl won't hurt him if he doesn't touch.

I've never heard of cases where other nuts set off a peanut person just from being same room.

In case you're wondering, the same room thing is more to do with people eating them and breathing/talking than just sitting there)

Re:I'm 6'5" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702230)

Allow me to introduce you to DVT, Deep Venous Thrombosis [google.com] .

I'm 5'8" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702216)

and I say everybody deserves more room than is found on most airlines these days

Already happens (1)

jolyonr (560227) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701830)

I have been on a flight where they've announced no peanuts were being distributed or sold because of someone with allergies on the fllight. Of course they may have just run out of peanuts and it sounded better than "we forgot to stock up".

Jolyon. Oh yes, my .sig is appropriate today

HazMat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701862)

Hand out HazMat suits to the nut dude.

Can't bring your own either (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701878)

Unfortunately it's worse than TFA makes it out to be. This will also ban other passengers from bringing their own nut-containing goodies onto the flights.

http://www.edmontonsun.com/money/2010/01/08/12388196-sun.html

This is nuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701888)

This is as silly as using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Really nutty. Seriously.

BTW, I'm allergic to delayed flights. Can they provide me delayed-flights-free service?

Re:This is nuts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702054)

Is getting a delayed flight going to kill you or send you to the emergency room?

Animals (1)

Coltman (623132) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701914)

I hope that the 'Nut Fee' Zone will also pack in 4 people where they normally packed in 2 or 3.

This is getting stupid, I am alergic to most animals and people are still allowed to bring dogs and cats on. All they tell me to do is be sure I have an epipen with me just in case?!

On second thougth I hope that they pack 5 in the same area and let them sweat out the trip.

Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issue (4, Insightful)

blueworm (425290) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701922)

Can anybody provide any real evidence that nut allergies are triggered by the "smell" of nuts? I don't think so -- as far as I know they have to be aerosolized in a cooking spray or finely crushed and thrown into the air as "nut dust". I'm betting this woman is probably just a hypochondriac who thinks she's being affected by smelling nuts when she's not. This article http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=2417934 mentions that her claim is backed up a doctor's note saying that she has a reaction when in the general vicinity of nuts, but other than that there's no real evidence for this.

Air Canada and other organizations should first order complete medical studies on people like this to get the facts before taking action. Clearly, the public needs more evidence because special treatment for allergy sufferers and public bans of nuts are getting out of hand.

A quick Google search reveals the beginnings of a Britannica article which also indicates that banning nuts is a bad idea since nut allergy deaths are not unacceptably higher annually than deaths from lightning strikes and bee stings, and because banning creates a climate of oversensitivity: http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/35883327/Peanut-hysteria--or-is-it

Re:Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issu (1)

PeanutButterBreath (1224570) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702040)

as far as I know they have to be aerosolized in a cooking spray or finely crushed and thrown into the air as "nut dust".

Well then, as far as you know, somone allergic to nuts has a legitimate fear be being trapped in closed space with recirculating air along with the usual ratio of mouth-breathers.

Re:Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issu (1)

bcmm (768152) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702108)

Even if the dust is unlikely to affect people, it'd still be pretty scary to be sitting right next to somebody eating them, or near a bored little kid who's throwing them around, if you were one of those people who could die if it touches them.

Re:Peanut Hysteria is more of a psychological issu (4, Interesting)

husker_man (473297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702114)

Can anybody provide any real evidence that nut allergies are triggered by the "smell" of nuts?

I can. My oldest son is extremely allergic to peanuts, almonds, and most other kinds of nuts. He has to carry an epi-pen with him wherever he goes. One day, my son's class went on a field trip to a farm. He started looking sick, and his face started to swell. Fortunately, the teacher saw it, gave him some Benadryl and he was fine for the rest of the afternoon. Turns out that the farm was near some peanut-growing farms and it was right in the midst of harvest season, so the peanut dust was in the air.

We've also had instances where my son was near some kids at school who were having a peanut butter sandwich for lunch, and my son started getting sick. Again, Benedryl was administered, and the school made sure that if someone had peanut butter in their lunches, they had to sit at least one or two seats away. Worst case, my son had to sit at a different table (although some classmates did come and sit by him).

It's not fun, dealing with allergies like this, but taking sensible precautions helps avoid a true life-or-death problem.

Hmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30701926)

How about a cologne-free zone? Loud talking people-free zone?

the new standard... (4, Insightful)

ncgnu08 (1307339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701936)

I know it is not PC to say, but this is a sad joke. People should get over themselves and stop demanding the world change around them. It is as if "only-child syndrome" is now the standard. I am starting to find myself allergic to work, bills, and anything that inconveniences me in the slightest. The plane does not bother me as I do not fly; I am allergic to paying for tickets but the airlines refuse to accommodate me. And I do not need to park in the blue spaces, as I am allergic to parking in spaces; I need to just get out of my car where I want. Now if the police would stop discriminating against me by towing my car when I leave it on the sidewalk! They will all regret it when I file a lawsuit and they learn I am allergic to verdicts against me!

Nothing new here! (3, Informative)

Old Flatulent 1 (1692076) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701950)

Flying with Air Canada [forums.army.ca] it helps if you are nuts.

Gattaca (3, Informative)

omgarthas (1372603) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701986)

Those nut allergic people should be forced to watch the movie Gattaca whilst flying and thank god that fiction hasn't become reality (yet)

No to nuts, but yes to pets? (5, Insightful)

starbugs (1670420) | more than 4 years ago | (#30701998)

According to this [www.cbc.ca] pets are now allowed on Air Canada, although many people with allergies object and can no longer fly because of this. But nuts (which don't get carried in the air as much as pet dander) are not allowed?
Am I the only one wondering WTF?

where did nut alergies come from? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30702020)

when i was growing up, no one had this problem, but now it seems that it is almost commonplace. is this a symptom of something we've done lately (to our food source perhaps), or a symptom of me just not getting exposed to news sources as a kid?

Re:where did nut alergies come from? (2, Insightful)

DamienNightbane (768702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702228)

Back then people with serious genetic defects like being allergic to a major food group died. A shame that medical science has decided to shit in the gene pool.

Real or trained response (5, Interesting)

ehud42 (314607) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702078)

I wonder if some of the reactions that people with allergies have when exposure is very low are trained responses. Like Pavlov's dog, ring the bell and start salivating, smell peanut butter and start choking.

My only basis for this is personal experience with chemo-therapy. After just a few rounds of treatments, just DRIVING to the hospital was enough to start me throwing up. It was bizzare and extremely frustrating to be sitting in the chair getting hooked up to a saline only IV and having to hurl. No matter how hard I tried to reason with myself, I was getting sick from the drugs that were no where near my body, much less in them and taking affect yet.

My thought is that people who have had a bad experience with a real allergic reaction have very quickly and effectively trained their brain to induce the reaction response at even the smell of the allergen.

Anyone else have similar experiences / theories about the validity of 'nut-free' zones?

ps - just to be clear, I'm not suggesting the reaction isn't happening, but just curious if it real or trained. If trained, maybe people can be trained out of it and then live less intrusive lives. BTW, 15+ years later I'm basically fine - hospitals don't bother me much, however, there is still a certain ladies deo / perfume that makes me feel queesy.

A man sits down on an airplane, next to a woman. (4, Funny)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702124)

He opens up his briefcase, pulls out a Playboy, drops his pants, and proceeds to have a wank.

The woman is horrified.

When the man is finished, he pulls up his pants, closes the briefcase, and then turns to the woman and asks:

"Do you mind if I eat nuts?"

Baba-boom-ching!

Thank you, tip the veal, try the waitress . . . etc.

I hope this doesn't set a wider precedent (1)

93 Escort Wagon (326346) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702174)

I'm really worried - if Slashdot, for example, were forced to offer a nut-free zone, this place would be a ghost town!

And I just realized that could be taken two ways: The way I meant it, and the way most of you are probably going to interpret it...

Where's my perfume-free zone? (2, Interesting)

Dipsomaniac (1102131) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702218)

I'm serious. I've been on flights where fellow passengers apparently subscribed to the "perfume instead of a shower" school.
And it was disgusting, and made my flight a hell, with clogged sinuses and the concomitant ear congestion that results in excruciating pain until the congestion clears (oh, it only takes a few hours). Benadryl and Claritin and any other anti-allergy drug don't help.

Nut free zone (1)

Orp (6583) | more than 4 years ago | (#30702244)

Why don't they just call it "women only" and be done with it.

Hurr durr.

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