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Psystar Activation Servers Down?

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the bad-news-bears dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "I purchased Rebel EFI in support of Psystar's crusade back in October. Just 3 short months later, I have no support. I found this out when I upgraded my hard drive and installed Snow Leopard using Rebel EFI. The program can no longer 'phone home' to activate or download/install drivers. This is a direct contradiction to Psystar's promise posted on their website: 'Psystar will continue to support all of its existing customers of hardware and software through this transitional period. Warranties on hardware will continue to be honored as long the customer has a valid warranty. Rebel EFI support for existing customers, as always, will remain exclusively available through email and the built-in ticket interface.' Has anyone else run into this issue? It has been 9 days with no response from Psystar by e-mail or phone."

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first post (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710284)

suck my asshole. Also, seriously? What kind of retard would send those ass clowns money?

Re:first post (4, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710942)

"Also, seriously? What kind of retard would send those ass clowns money?"

That should be modded Insightful, not Flamebait.

Some things are so monumentally stupid the only appropriate response is scorn and contempt.

Also relevant:
Slashdot doesn't feature ways to crack Windows activation, but it does feature workarounds to Apple restrictions. Why?

Those not wanting to be a corporate bitch should not buy corporate software, water is wet, and the sun rose in the East.

One moment please. (3, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710292)

Our Apple Certified Genius Ninjas have your IP address and are on their way over to assist.

Re:One moment please. (2, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710600)

Our Apple Certified Genius Ninjas have your IP address and are on their way over to assist.

Ignoring the fact that "apple certified genius" is an oxymoron, I don't see how sending ninjas to my door is going to help them any: Many computer enthusiasts also have a healthy collection of guns. But then, that's Apple for you -- never doing the market research...

Re:One moment please. (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710716)

Apple Certified Genius Ninjas

One of those words does not fit in there.... Tip: It starts with G. ^^

Re:One moment please. (1, Funny)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710786)

Ninjas don't scare me because I am a pirate.

Re:One moment please. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30711314)

Oh god, say something slightly original you tedious cunt. People with half a brain are fed up with suffering from Simple Simons like you eroding culture to the point where *just saying ninja/pirates* or writing an xkcd comic is considered amusing.

Never pay money... (5, Insightful)

feepness (543479) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710296)

...to join a crusade.

Re:Never pay money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710346)

Never pay your own money to join a crusade. Copy the RIAA and get your government/customers to pay.

Re:Never pay money... (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711302)

Or do what the Islamists do: get your enemies to pay for your crusade.

Re:Never pay money... (1)

Mooga (789849) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710352)

...when you can do it for free.

Re:Never pay money to join a crusade (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710750)

I learned that after paying money to 321 Studios for their DVD X Copy software (via Best Buy). Registered but didn't get around to using it before they lost in court, and since it required activation and the server was gone, I never got to use it.

Not that I needed to. There's very nice free software out there for that purpose that will continue to function long after their development ceases. I was just contributing monetarily to their fight.

But then they sold their e-mail list to spammers....

Re:Never pay money... (0, Flamebait)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711492)

This is precisely why I'm no longer a Mac enthusiast.

LK

Live and learn (5, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710308)

Lots of people thought that the German National Socialist party was going to be able to turn the German economy around, restore Germany's relevance in the world, and ultimately defeat the countries that put them in that situation at the Treaty of Versailles.

Look, not every horse can place.

Re:Live and learn (1)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710410)

Hey, they placed.

Last is a place :P

Re:Live and learn (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710518)

Semi-seriously, I'd say they still finished ahead of Poland.

Re:Live and learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710806)

Ooh, I forgot about them...

Re:Live and learn (3, Funny)

palegray.net (1195047) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710424)

BadAnalogyGuy, this has to be the most creative application of Godwin's Law seen on Slashdot in recent history. Well done.

Re:Live and learn (3, Funny)

Hognoxious (631665) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710496)

and ultimately defeat the countries that put them in that situation at the Treaty of Versailles.

The country that defeated them[1] was not a signatory to the Versailles treaty, so technically they achieved that aim.

[1] Hint: aims achieve YOU!

Re:Live and learn (3, Insightful)

KibibyteBrain (1455987) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710732)

Strangely, they may have accomplished the first two. The allies at least realized that it was their tough provisions in Versailles that led to it being possibility for a rouge movement like the Nazi's to take power, leading to their friendlier approach after WWII to develop [West] Germany rather than punish it. So the Nazi's did help turn the economy around and make Germany a European power again, if only by their defeat. This might even be relavant in this situation. This crusade on Apple may not have yielded anything productive in and of itself since Apple was in its [current] legal rights to protect their IP, but if Apple ever does become more popular in a given market and faces anti-trust litigation, this incident could be cited as evidence of Apple's unwillingness to allow any competition against it's platform.

Re:Live and learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710906)

I deny Apple Anti-Competitive Practices. That stuff didn't actually happen. Just ask the President of Iran; Imadinnerjacket.

How could the outcome be good? (4, Insightful)

illumnatLA (820383) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710316)

I really don't see how anyone in their right mind could honestly expect that Psystar was going to survive aggressively going up against Apple such as they did. Be glad you got the amount of use that you did out of the pay version of Rebel EFI. IIRC, RebelEFI is based on a open source EFI... can't remember the name, but I'm sure a fellow slashdotter will mention it.

Hard to tell (0, Offtopic)

Threni (635302) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710318)

What the hell is Psystar? Are we expected to know? Google it?

Re:Hard to tell (4, Funny)

BadAnalogyGuy (945258) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710330)

I think she was one of the new X-men.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

Devout_IPUite (1284636) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710456)

Psylocke is hot.

Re:Hard to tell (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710374)

It sounds like you have a reasonable plan.

Good for you (3, Interesting)

RedK (112790) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710328)

It seems you needed a lesson in respect of other's hard work. Now you've learned the hard way that it doesn't pay to try and rip off someone.

Speaking seriously though, after the injunction that included RebelEFI, what did you think was going to happen ? Why even purchase a product that requires activation when all it is, is a rip off of an open source product ? I'm betting there's going to be a lot of flames in this discussion.

Re:Good for you (1)

Fallingwater (1465567) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710384)

Chinese electronic counterfeiters beg to differ. Sometimes I wonder if more money is made by Apple, or collectively by the Chinese factories churning out cheap iPod clones at a rate of a bazillion per hour...

Re:Good for you (2, Insightful)

RedK (112790) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710398)

The chinese iPod rip offs don't use Apple's software.

Re:Good for you (1)

Donkey_Hotey (1433053) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710448)

And that's a bad thing?

Re:Good for you (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710504)

If you want decent software, yes.

Hardly (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711066)

I'll take the ability to right click any file and say "send to F:" instead of running everything through shitty itunes.

Re:Good for you (4, Insightful)

ElusiveMind (1714020) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710560)

Took the words out of my mouth. You BUY a product from people set on circumventing both a license and technology. Then you have to activate it (to prevent piracy of their product - oh the irony). And then they go out of business. Stick with the legitimate product and you don't lose. Oh ... and if you purchased to join the crusade, then allow me to hand your head back to you - unattached of course. Your side lost.

Re:Good for you (-1, Flamebait)

toiletsalmon (309546) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710770)

I love how everyone's all self righteous about the whole thing. In case you weren't aware, Apple doesn't care about YOU as an individual customer, any more than Pystar, or any other corporation for that matter.

I just can't wait until Apple takes a big chunk out of the hands of the fanbois that feed them. When they find a prettier girl to court, you'll be in the same boat as the submitter...

Re:Good for you (5, Insightful)

Jezza (39441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710994)

Err, what?! Apple "fanbois" pay money to Apple, abide by the EULA - why would Apple want to screw them over?! You're not thinking.

I adore the way people on your side are so "self righteous", let's look at the facts:

Psystar sold PCs, with some software derived from Open Source, with Apple's upgrade version of their OS, thumbing their nose at the EULA, and argued because you COULD do it, then it SHOULD be legal. How the heck they ever thought that was going to fly I'll never understand. And no it wasn't a "full version" of the OS - you obtain the right to run Mac OS X when you buy a Mac, and at no other time, so unless there was a Mac in the box too (wiped) I don't see how they ever thought it was going to be "OK".

You're right companies exist to make money, Apple "cares" about it's customers because it knows that doing this will mean they'll return to buy more product. Yes, they'll even be happy to pay a little more for it. This is a recipe for success that the rest of the industry seems to have forgotten, in their "race to the bottom" they've cut everything. You want a decent PC? You probably need to build it yourself, because you buy one prebuilt it'll have horrible build quality and more bloatware than any sane person can stand. You build it yourself, you get to choose the quality (maybe a keyboard that isn't totally horrible). I mean think about a new PC, what's the first thing you need to do? Burn a set of recovery disks - what the hell?! How much does not supplying a restore DVD actually save? You pay more for the blank media!

So let's not talk nonsense, if you know nothing about computers, don't want to build one, but actually want something nice - a Mac is probably your best bet. That horrible Psystar? No so much.

Re:Good for you (2, Interesting)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711214)

Psystar sold PCs, with some software derived from Open Source

Which is perfectly legal. Even the GPL allows selling the software. Got to release the source of course, but you can sell it.

with Apple's upgrade version of their OS, thumbing their nose at the EULA, and argued because you COULD do it, then it SHOULD be legal. How the heck they ever thought that was going to fly I'll never understand. And no it wasn't a "full version" of the OS - you obtain the right to run Mac OS X when you buy a Mac, and at no other time, so unless there was a Mac in the box too (wiped) I don't see how they ever thought it was going to be "OK".

See, that's a legal trick I have absolutely zero respect for.

Apple was getting paid as their software was getting bought -- they just made sure there was no possible legal way to get the software without getting the hardware as well. I bet if Psystar offered to pay Apple extra for the "full version" they'd refuse to take the money. Then when Psystar used the only thing they had available they sued them. It's a dirty tactic. First they refuse the money, then they sue you for not paying them the money they refused to take.

IMO, EULAs in general, and especially the way Apple used theirs in this case should be illegal and void.

Now, that Psystar hypocritically went and added DRM to their stuff is bad as well, but I still think that the crux of what they were trying to do should be legal.

Re:Good for you (3, Insightful)

Jezza (39441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711282)

But you never lose the right to say "stuff that" and not buy the product - just because you don't like the deal offered doesn't mean you have the right to ignore the terms! If I create something, and say "you must x to have my product" you've got a choice: "Do x" or walk away... You don't get the right to have the product just because you want it!

And if you do, I want a Ferrari (I just happen to think the price is unreasonable).

Re:Good for you (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711418)

But you never lose the right to say "stuff that" and not buy the product - just because you don't like the deal offered doesn't mean you have the right to ignore the terms!

Deals should be made upfront before money changes hands, with a contract. EULAs shouldn't exist.

And if you do, I want a Ferrari (I just happen to think the price is unreasonable).

When you buy a car, the price is discussed before the sale. Also, it doesn't come with a note in the glovebox saying "And BTW, we forbid you from using third party parts".

Re:Good for you (2, Insightful)

Jezza (39441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711528)

The section of the EULA you're complaining about is printed on the outside of the box... The typeface is reasonably large.

The car analogy is broken (they pretty much always are) and yes, I take full responsibility as I did it first (I was actually making a joke - but clearly I failed).

Re:Good for you (2, Insightful)

RedK (112790) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711336)

Actually, during discovery, Psystar failed to produce any proof that they did purchase the copies of OS X they sold. Not to mention everyone of the about 700 PCs they sold was imaged from an imaging server and thus used a single copy (which was unlawful).

Finally, they were found guilty of copyright infrigment because they made a derivative work (changed Apple's copy protection kext, "Dont Steal MacOS X") which they put on this imaging server, thus engaging in unlawful distribution of an unauthorised derivative work.

So maybe you should get the facts about the case before you judge Psystar as some kind of good guy.

Re:Good for you (3, Interesting)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711510)

Actually, during discovery, Psystar failed to produce any proof that they did purchase the copies of OS X they sold. Not to mention everyone of the about 700 PCs they sold was imaged from an imaging server and thus used a single copy (which was unlawful).

That doesn't change my argument though. I believe that the essence of what they were trying to do should be legal.

Now, the imaging server I think was a screwup, and they should have just paid some minimum age kid to install the CD by hand. Though I think that's a technicality anyway, as I fail to see much difference between paying for 700 CDs and installing from each CD, and paying for 700 CDs, and installing from one.

If they didn't actually pay, their bad.

Finally, they were found guilty of copyright infrigment because they made a derivative work (changed Apple's copy protection kext, "Dont Steal MacOS X") which they put on this imaging server, thus engaging in unlawful distribution of an unauthorised derivative work.

If you think about this too much, pretty much every install of Windows is copyright infringement as well. If the shop say, changes the background, that changes something in the registry. That data was created by a MS employee, and MS probably automatically holds copyright on that. So change a Windows setting, sell to customer, copyright infringement.

So maybe you should get the facts about the case before you judge Psystar as some kind of good guy.

I don't see them as a good guy. I think the DRM is shameful, and their plan was flawed, but I still think that creating a hackintosh and selling it should be legal.

Re:Good for you (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710816)

It's plain lucky for the rest of us that you haven't found religion boyo; you're the type of guy who'd be a real drag - always telling us about how your skydaddy is gonna save you and how we are gonna burn in hell.

if all you can believe in is a company that punts out 2nd rate computers and phones that play music, then maybe that's best - that's all i'm saying.

if you do wake up one day then have a look around at world around you. there are better and bigger causes. think really different.

Re:Good for you (1)

Evil Shabazz (937088) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711050)

Yeah, I'm sure there's a reason the guy submitted this anonymously - he didn't want the world being able to associate even a user name with an action so monumentally stupid. I wonder if he got pissed off when that $20 copy of Windows he bought during his last visit to Shanghai didn't activate when he got home, either.

Re:Good for you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30711096)

Others hard work?

What bullshit. They paid for the software, and they can use it on whatever hardware they own if it runs. The bullshit EULA is meaningless.

Please tell me you're kidding... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710332)

Ok, you knew perfectly well where this was headed. You knew they lost the case against Apple. You should write off your "purchase" as a donation.

Lol macfags (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710338)

Troll and Truth begin with the same sound. I had a macbook for three and a half years, after doing mooing, random shutdowns, dead batteries it finally gave up the ghost with the screen going white unless you squeezed it. I guess it is the snow of the leopard.

Re:Lol macfags (1, Insightful)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710364)

Obviously you've never really owned one. Or you are a verrrry slow learner.

Why is this News??? #editorfail (4, Informative)

deadmongrel (621467) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710348)

I know it's a slow news day but why is this news? The fact that the company that created the software lost a major court case and the company filed for bankruptcy wasn't enough indication that things are not as peachy as the company claimed?
#editorfail

Re:Why is this News??? #editorfail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710538)

Mod parent up! When did /. become foo's support forum?

Re:Why is this News??? #editorfail (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710550)

Yep. So, what are you going to do? Sue them? Get in line and there won't be anything left for you anyway. Usually I feel sorry for customers abandoned by a bankrupcy but in the case of Psystar I'd say this is more #suckerfail than anything. Anyone with the sligbtest clue about IP law would know that Psystar, right or wrong, would be slapped to hell over this. And probably being in the wrong, too.

Re:Why is this News??? #editorfail (5, Funny)

darrenkopp (981266) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710868)

thanks for the hashtag #slashdotisnottwitter

Re:Why is this News??? #editorfail (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711138)

We've seen the knockdown blow... but this is proof that they are not answering the bell anymore and that means they're out.

If there's any consumers left thinking their machines still work, get out. Next MacOS security hole to be announced will be unpatched on these Hackintoshes, and they'll be unsafe to put on the Internet as a result.

You're a bloody moron. (2, Insightful)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710354)

1. This is why you don't buy anything (if you want support) from a company that is getting sued out of existence.
2. This is why you don't buy anything that you can just do for free. It really isn't difficult to make a Hackintosh these days. You bought something that only simplified the process marginally, if even that.
3. This is why you don't be really, really stupid about buying things.

Re:You're a bloody moron. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710380)

Steve, calm down and take your meds, you don't want the next /. story to be about your head exploding. Again.

The irony is thick enough to choke you (5, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710370)

The whole idea that Psystar was using strong DRM to protect their code to strip the honor-system-level protections from OS X installs was mind-meltingly ironic in the first place. The fact that they're so quickly demonstrating why buying anything protected by strong DRM is a bad idea just adds salt to the dish.

Re:The irony is thick enough to choke you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710442)

Will someone please release a crack for Psystar's activation? Preferably, add DRM to your crack, so that we can use DRM to crack DRM that cracks our DRM.

Re:The irony is thick enough to choke you (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710548)

The real hackers would probably just point you to the free solutions available that might take a bit more work, but that any dummy can do (it consists of mostly copying & pasting stuff into a bash shell). E.g. google "Lifehacker snow leopard hackintosh" to find a how-to.

Re:The irony is thick enough to choke you (1)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711276)

You fail irony forever.

Really. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710376)

This is what you get for giving money to Psystar. Anyone could have told you it's a bad idea.

Great idea but shouldn't have bought from them (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710390)

I like what Psystar was doing but it was always a bad idea to buy from them.

Apple is pretty controlling, in my opinion, there's no way you can believe that they would have let Psystar do anything with Apple's software that they don't like.

Consider it a lesson learned and search for hackintosh and learn how to sort out Mac OS on the PC yourself or take the loss and buy a proper Mac or put Linux/Windows on the machine you have.

Re:Great idea but shouldn't have bought from them (1)

dingen (958134) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710490)

I like what Psystar was doing but it was always a bad idea to buy from them.

If you really felt Psystar was doing the right thing, you would have bought from them. It's called voting with your wallet.

Re:Great idea but shouldn't have bought from them (1)

thetoadwarrior (1268702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710668)

You can vote with your wallet but when they're technically breaking a larger company's terms then you know full well who the courts will side with and they're you're left either with a normal PC with Linux/Windows or putting OSX on yourself.

While I agree with what they were doing I don't care enough about OSX to go through that.

Re:Great idea but shouldn't have bought from them (1)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711230)

Same thing here - there's a difference between agreeing with Psystar's position and believing they'll be able to pull it off. I personally don't see an issue with what Psystar was doing, and believe that Apple's (and any other shrinkwrap) EULA is a bunch of crap. However, I also know Congress and the courts have totally screwed up the original intent of copyright in the United States, and I have no faith that the courts would issue a ruling that would be in keeping with that original intent in the Psystar case. Right or wrong, Psystar was doomed from the beginning.

Anonymous Coward (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710404)

This guy has to be trolling.

sounds like (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710406)

grounds for a class action. see how far it gets ya

Sucker! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710416)

n/t

Activation = rentware that can expire at any time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710420)

This is why I've switched to Linux. It has nothing to do with getting everything for free (I've paid for Windows). It also has nothing to do with me modifying code. I'm just sick of the capitalistic malware infestation that is product activation.

Switch to EmpireEFI (2, Insightful)

erroneus (253617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710436)

RebelEFI was just copyright infringing code. They pissed off Apple and they also pissed off the development community behind EmpireEFI. This can't end well for them. It would seem that Psystar is just a scheister organization.

Re:Switch to EmpireEFI (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710566)

RebelEFI was just copyright infringing code. They pissed off Apple and they also pissed off the development community behind EmpireEFI. This can't end well for them. It would seem that Psystar is just a scheister organization.

I tried to point this out in the past and always got modded down. Psystar isn't doing anything noble they are trying to make a buck. If they released RebelEFI free tool it would be a different matter. This isn't about users jailbreaking an OS it's about a for profit company trying to piggyback on Mac's success.

Snow Lep. runs nicely on a Dell Mini netbook... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710444)

Spend a couple hundred bucks on a Dell netbook and move your snow lep. over....?
A Friends machine works great...except for a few bugs in the multitouch area..

Wiki has the answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710446)

'On December 15, 2009, the judge in the California action issued a permanent injunction barring Psystar from manufacturing, distributing, or assisting anyone with any sort of device or technology "that is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure".' (emphasis mine)

In other words, you're screwed...

No surprise here .. from Psystar's front page: (3, Insightful)

martinbogo (468553) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710458)

December 22, 2009

Psystar has voluntarily suspended the sale of our Rebel EFI software product. Psystar feels it would be prudent to halt the sale of Rebel EFI while we explicitly ask the court for clarification on the legality of Rebel EFI. Our patience has been tested but our resolve is unwavering. Psystar's vision of bringing the Mac OS to generic PC hardware is and always will be unyielding. Although Rebel EFI may be temporarily unavailable for purchase on the Psystar online store, those who purchase a t-shirt or donate over twenty dollars will receive one free copy of Rebel EFI once the court has ruled in our favor on this issue. ... (more moaning and groaning) ...

Any and all information regarding Rebel EFI, future software products and all other things Psystar should be directed to press@psystar.com or legal@psystar.com.

Re:No surprise here .. from Psystar's front page: (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710624)

And when the court reiterates that Psystar is wrong, and that Rebel EFI can never again be distributed under any circumstances, what is Psystar going to give all those folks who donated money under the promise of a free copy of Rebel EFI? The judge was brutally clear in his decision, see Groklaw for all the gory details, that Psystar must stop ALL activities that infringe on Apple's products. If they don't, they can be charged with contempt. That kind of judgement doesn't lend itself to successful appeals.

Re:No surprise here .. from Psystar's front page: (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711176)

That's why they're not selling the software for $20. They're giving it away free, if they can, with purchase of an overpriced T-Shirt. If they lose, you have an overpriced slightly modified "I'm with stupid." shirt.

Re:No surprise here .. from Psystar's front page: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30711120)

Hey, I hacked into psystars mail server and found this snippet from there alias file:

press@psystar.com /dev/null
legal@psystar.com /dev/null

Cry me a river (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710462)

Boo hoo, you got what you payed for. Now stop complaining.

Calls for truth in advertising ring in the hallway (2, Insightful)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710482)

Would you like Psystar to find the money to continue by a) looking under rocks along the highway b) selling plasma with the bums downtown c) rooting around in their asses until something is found?

Or maybe you think the promises of people who predicated a business on breaking the law* are actually worth something? That's almost endearing.

(*save your spiel about the laws being unjust. They were fairly well understood and the court upheld them, so reality wins over idealism here.)

Re:Calls for truth in advertising ring in the hall (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710938)

someone mod this filthy troll down.

Re:Calls for truth in advertising ring in the hall (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711200)

I'd do it, but I actually follow the suggestions and try to use my frequently granted points to promote.

This seems to be the result of the last judgement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710512)

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091215225827172 - see paragraph 4. "...It has until December 31st to comply, but if it can comply in one hour, then that is what the judge expects to see. Also Psystar must destroy everything it has used to circumvent Apple's products..."

The "destroy everything" by December 31 order would pretty much explain the outage.

newsflash (5, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710516)

This just in: Software that requires contacting a remote server doesn't work when the remote server suffers a total existance failure.
Up next: People die when they're killed.

Re:newsflash (1)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711160)

Bad news: What operating system or BIOS doesn't? You even have to register your Linux distro.

Re:newsflash (1)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711224)

You even have to register your Linux distro.

Yeah, or what? They'll sue me for pirating Linux? Make me pay triple damages? What's three times nothing?

Re:newsflash (2, Funny)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711250)

What's three times nothing?

About 4.5 billion dollars -- but only if you are the RIAA.

Re:newsflash (1)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711264)

If only they would stay dead.

Should really pay attention to the news... (1)

Skellbasher (896203) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710522)

Apple was well into their lawsuits against Pystar in October. Why would you purchase a product that from a company that was getting them sued, especially when most reporting at the time was that Pystar was probably going to lose?

Re:Should really pay attention to the news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30710614)

Why should we purchase anything from any company then? After all, they won't be around forever. It seems like I'm the only person who has a problem with this new trend of the customer's product becoming a doorstop when it's vendor closes up shop.

Re:Should really pay attention to the news... (1)

The End Of Days (1243248) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710648)

No one forces you to make any purchases. What happened to caveat emptor? Are you really so incapable you need your hand held through every transaction? Your point particularly fails in this case because the writing was pretty well on the wall for a long damn time.

Re:Should really pay attention to the news... (1)

couchslug (175151) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711016)

"It seems like I'm the only person who has a problem with this new trend of the customer's product becoming a doorstop when it's vendor closes up shop."

Support products that don't have an inherent tendency to become "doorstops". Free, Open, user serviceable, etc are what to look for.

Don't buy things that need vendor support or prolonged vendor support that don't also have non-vendor alternatives for support. Research your choices or be an example to others.

Re:Should really pay attention to the news... (3, Insightful)

Jezza (39441) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711152)

Err, who really wants their computer to last forever? (Hell I won't last FOREVER) What's really wanted is a reasonable life expectancy, AND the ability to take my junk off the computer and onto my next computer (where it must make some sense).

Mac OS X does that (even if my next computer isn't a Mac). Now you could argue that Linux does that (and I'll concede the point). What you probably don't do is buy from a company that is sure to get sued into oblivion (that's just not smart).

Since when did the creator of something have no right to say how their product can be used?! Microsoft sell academic versions of some of their stuff... How is this different? All Apple have done is say: Macs come with Mac OS X, and Mac OS X can only (legally) be used on Macs. Apple don't sell Mac OS X on it's own (they sell upgrades... but that's a different thing). Microsoft sell OEM versions of Windows - is that different?! Even the GPL (maybe I should say "Especially the GPL"?) makes stipulations as to what you can and can't do - ignore those at your peril! If I create something, I should be allowed any license I feel appropriate. I don't see how Windows users or Linux users can argue (I should know - I use all three). I wouldn't want to be told that Linux couldn't enforce the GPL, or that Microsoft couldn't distribute with a PC (no OEM pricing).

Interest and Property (2, Insightful)

Mista2 (1093071) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710642)

Psystar had no respect for Apples intellectual property, why do you think they had hany interest in supporting you? After they were killed by the courts, who did you think would keep their systems operating? The magic IT fairies?
Psystar were just ripping off other open EFI emulators anyway. Search around, there are plenty of legit free ones, not stolen copies like Psystar were shipping.

Psystar's crusade was to make money! (2, Insightful)

edelbrp (62429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710698)

Silly monkey, did you actually think Psystar was fighting Apple on some idealogical grounds other than justifying making money by ripping Apple off? The irony is thick. Psystar's infrastructure, which was to protect their profits, takes you down with them on the ship when things go south. Nice.

But, who knows, maybe somebody will start a company reverse engineering Psystar's DRM so for a small fee you can get your computer working again? ;')

Re:Psystar's crusade was to make money! (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710832)

But, who knows, maybe somebody will start a company reverse engineering Psystar's DRM so for a small fee you can get your computer working again

I think I'm going to make up a new phrase for that: recursive irony

Did you honestly expect anything else? (3, Interesting)

halfdan the black (638018) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710872)

Did you honestly expect Psystar would honor the 'promise' they made to you when the steal, and re-sell the hard work of the hackintosh community in order to allow you to steal the intellectual property of Apple? The entire company was based on stealing the property of others hard work. Now, what I would have liked to have seen, is Psystar would have worked to improve Linux using some good ideas from OSX. Lets face it, Linux is not perfect, it has sever shortcomings, thats why people pay money for OSX. OSX does several things right, like application deployment (everything packed in a single directory), why not incorporate some of these ideas into Linux? Well, that would require hard work, instead of stealing from others.

Why did anyone support Pystar in the first place? (5, Interesting)

Theovon (109752) | more than 4 years ago | (#30710976)

When Pystar first brought a machine on the market, it became quickly clear that their hardware was junk and they didn't know what they were doing. IIRC, one early reviewer bought a machine and found that it was unstable because they had OVERCLOCKED IT.

Having experimented (and failed) with overclocking myself, spending lots of time reading and dicussing on forums issues like Vdroop, Vgtl, Vdd, multiplier ratios, etc., etc., I can tell you that running a processor out of spec is challenging because you don't know where in that processor's performance bin you are, and your results are almost guaranteed to be different from someone else's, and Intel Quad cores are notoriously hard to overclock, and well it boils down to more of an art form of experimentation and testing than science because you can't get Intel to tell you the actual characteristics of the chip you bought. And moreover, you can run all the artificial tests you want and still end up with an unreliable system because memtest86 and prime95 don't test all the corner cases and enough combinations of scenarios. (I had run memory and processor tests for a week straight, and everything seemed fine, yet I would get kernel panics while parallel compiling Gentoo packages. I could just never manage to figure out the right combination of Vdd and Vgtl, and I could never for sure rule out the memory system being the source of the errors. So I just decided that I'd rather have a reliable system and longer life than 20% more throughput.)

It's irresponsible for vendors to sell you an overclocked system, because they can't guarantee that it's reliable. Rather, they are fooling you into thinking you're getting a better system than you are, ripping you off in the process. This is just one example of the many incompetent and/or highly questionable things that Pystar was doing that made me want to stay as far away from them as possible.

It would be one thing if this company tried to produce BETTER hardware than Apple. Trouble is, that would require intelligence and discerment, and people with that kind of smarts would also have been smart enough not to screw with Apple directly.

If I wanted to sell knock-off Apple hardware here's how I might go about it:

- Find a way to become an Apple reseller with minimal contractual obligations. This way, you can sell MacOS X discs without raising any major suspicions.
- Sell and support genuine Apple hardware.
- Also sell and support high quality Linux and Windows white-box PCs that just happen to have peripherals compatible with MacOS X.
- Add development support to an open source EFI project
- Let word of mouth get around that your systems are good for running MacOS
- But publically state that you do not provide OS support in this configuration because it may violate Apple's EULA.
- Get your lawyers to make sure you have plausible deniability every way you turn.

All of this requires forethought (or hindsight in my case). Pystar clearly did not have this. (I might not either. I might have just suggested a really bad plan.)

But like I say, the main thing that bothered me about them is that their hardware was crap. It's one thing to ride on Apple's shoulders. Directly supporting OSX but on GOOD hardware is arguably questionable, from a legal standpoint. It's entirely another matter to do incompetent things that could make them look bad. That'll REALLY get them chasing after you.

I've never really understood the whole hacking culture in the first place. People don't want to buy iPhones because they're not hackable enough. Ok, I support Free Software, so I can totally get on board with avoiding something that's proprietary and has DRM and all that. But even if the iPhone were 100% open source, it still would not interest me to hack it. I'm a professional chip designer. I like designing NEW hardware. I like being given an engineering challenge that requires that I create new functionality to serve a market need. I have no desire to confine myself to the special-purpose hardware that someone else designed, because I can't do anything _fundamentally_ different from what they already did. Creating a whole new replacement UI for the iPhone just seems like a dull waste of time to me. On the other hand, there are general-purpose hardware kits you can buy that (a) are documented and designed to be hacked, and (b) have enough options in terms of parts and peripherals that you can put together a unique combination and program it to do some new and useful and non-copycat thing.

So if I want an iPhone, I'll buy an iPhone and use it as intended. Otherwise, I'll buy something else. If I want to use MacOS X, I'll buy Apple hardware. (It's not perfect, but it's better than most PCs.) If I don't like that, then screw MacOS, and screw Apple hardware. Linux has for a long time been good enough to use to get real work done, so I can assemble my own PC out of carefully-chosen highly-rated components and install Ubuntu. If I want an MP3 player that has a nice interface and reasonable software support, I'll buy an iPod. If I want something that works better with Linux or is more hackable, there are tons of alternatives.

In the world of Free Software, there are some people who like to pressure hardware vendors into releasing specs. So people like Theo de Raadt like to try to publically embarrass companies that do that sort of thing. I don't like that kind of confrontational approach. Me, I'd rather design new hardware that does what I need and is openly documented from the start.

You may find a replacement... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30711142)

...OS at http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://www.opensuse.org/ http://www.fedoraproject.org/ ...or you may buy the apropriate hardware for your OS at http://www.apple.com/

Thinking that the court would accept Psystars argumentation against Apples license was foolish.

Rebel EFI is a collection of open-source tools (1)

Hamsterdan (815291) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711270)

So just use one of them.

(hint: I'm typing this on a PC running OSX and never even touched rebelEFI)

You don't need Rebel EFI (3, Informative)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30711278)

Step 1. Go to InsanelyMac and find the links for the Chamelion (sp?) boot loader. This will do practically the same thing, from what I've been told, and it worked extremely well for me when I used OS X on my Dell (took it off b/c I wanted real Office and some other Windows-preferred applications, but didn't want it in a VM).

Step 2 While you're at InsanelyMac, look for a tutorial on how to install OS X on your hardware. If there are none (which shouldn't be the case if the computer's popular somewhat), there are default methods to follow, which can help you give back by making one!

Step 3. Install OS X, hope that nothing breaks and enjoy!

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