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Nexus One Owners Report Spotty 3G Signals On T-Mobile

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the can't-get-a-dial-tone dept.

Cellphones 146

rsk writes "One of the most popular questions on the Google Nexus One support forums is the 'Spotty 3G?' thread with almost 700 posts of users complaining about their 3G signal coverage fluctuating up, down, and between EDGE/3G with the phone just sitting on the desk or compared to other 3G devices on the T-Mobile network that don't offer the same unpredictable behavior. One workaround that seems to fix the issue is forcing the phone into '3G' or 'WCDMA Only' mode. This is a bit of a downer given that T-Mobile just finished their 3G upgrade to 7.2Mbps. Official word from Google is 'We are investigating this issue....'"

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146 comments

Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (4, Insightful)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754708)

No, really?

Have you seen their coverage maps? They make AT&T look good.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (3, Informative)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755058)

No, really?

Have you seen their coverage maps? They make AT&T look good.

I <3 T-Mobile, but their coverage has always been an unattractive shade of Suck. Even in Dallas -- home of Texas Instruments, y'all -- my cheap touchscreen [howardforums.com] is constantly switching from 3G to EDGE, or dropping data altogether. Hearing that Nexus One users are having trouble with T-Mobile's 3G network is like hearing that bears have been discovered crapping in the woods.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (4, Funny)

bytethese (1372715) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755714)

You ballsack T-Mobile?

I ballsack them too, my Blackberry for work has THE worst coverage. It makes my iPhone 3GS look good.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

RobertB-DC (622190) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756134)

You know, your pithy interpretation of the less-than-three emoticon may be the most accurate description yet for my relationship with T-Mobile.

It gives their "Get More" slogan a whole new meaning as well.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756886)

no no no c=3 is cock and balls. not 3

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756986)

c=3

You Asian or something?

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (3, Informative)

jittles (1613415) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755066)

I actually had the same problem with my iPhone 3G until the 3.0 OS update came out. I was lucky to have any signal at my desk sometimes. Updated to 3.0 and suddenly I had full bars. Hopefully this is a software issue on the Nexus too.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755266)

I'm having that problem with my iPhone 3GS on the Telus network (in Canada). Unfortunately, Telus doesn't have an Edge system for my phone to fall back to so when it loses its 3G connection, it turns into an iPod... Often, switching it to airplane mode and then back is all it takes to reconnect, but it's a wee bit of a pain. I blame Telus, however - they (and Bell) rushed to get their 3G network launched so I figure it still has some issues to work out. Time, of course, will tell if my assumption is correct...

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (2, Informative)

toleraen (831634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755582)

Sounds like your radio firmware got updated with 3.0. I'm guessing that's all the Nexus One needs as well.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (4, Interesting)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755602)

I remember reading about that iPhone problem. I suspect that it's a bug in the stock firmware for that chipset and that this is another one of those obnoxious flaws in the way the chipset vendors handle patches. As I understand it from talking to some cell phone engineers, when you start out with a chipset, you get a standard copy of the baseband firmware from the chipset manufacturer. I'll call that the baseline version. Patches from clients for cell firmware end up going into a separate tree for that specific client and are not typically propagated back upstream to the baseline, so every phone manufacturer who develops a phone using any given chipset ends up having to find and fix the same set of hundreds of baseband bugs over and over. If that's true, I'm amazed that the cell manufacturers put up with it. That certainly explains why cell phones have so many hundreds (or thousands) of baseband crasher bugs, and it also probably explains why Google is having to relearn all the stuff that Apple just learned a few months ago, and probably Nokia learned a few months before that, and so on.

Sad, really. Everyone suffers because of corporate paranoia and overly strong copyright protection on minor source code patches. Were the firmware an open source project, cellular communications would be in much better shape. Of course, the telecoms are terrified of that because then people would be running rogue baseband firmware, and the tower baseband software probably isn't much more robust than the cell phone baseband software is, so once again, corporate paranoia results in a poor customer experience. And to some degree, the cell companies probably like it this way because it makes it harder for new competitors to build phones that work.

I'm so glad I don't work in telecom. *sigh*

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

my_breath_smells (762618) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756278)

Patches from clients for cell firmware end up going into a separate tree for that specific client and are not typically propagated back upstream to the baseline, so every phone manufacturer who develops a phone using any given chipset ends up having to find and fix the same set of hundreds of baseband bugs over and over. If that's true, I'm amazed that the cell manufacturers put up with it. That certainly explains why cell phones have so many hundreds (or thousands) of baseband crasher bugs, and it also probably explains why Google is having to relearn all the stuff that Apple just learned a few months ago, and probably Nokia learned a few months before that, and so on.

This is precisely why Apple will never make a CDMA iPhone for Verizon using a Qualcomm chipset. The baseband firmware workload for maintaining fixes for two different chipset vendor's code bases is not justifiable. Apple chose Infineon for their chipset, and I expect their product roadmaps to remain closely aligned regardless of Qualcomm's offerings.

Apple makes a very limited number of hardware SKUs that can be sold worldwide. Don't expect them to offer variants for specific markets.

That, and Apple HATES Verizon.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (3, Interesting)

ppanon (16583) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756446)

And to some degree, the cell companies probably like it this way because it makes it harder for new competitors to build phones that work.

This.

In fact the current state you describe is almost certainly due to cell manufacturers. It's not just about barriers to entry but also about competitive advantage. Otherwise the first adopters of new chips would spend lots of money on bug fixing in development. In contrast, their competitors would be able to release shortly afterwards with the shared firmware bug fixes and price their product lower because they wouldn't need to amortize the debugging costs that the first mover had to absorb. A manufacturer would only let that happen to them once, then they would find another supplier that didn't work that way. It's an interesting variant on the tragedy of the commons.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

Old97 (1341297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756302)

I'm still having that problem with my iPhone 3Gs. I work in the Loop in Chicago. It varies with the time of day too. I suspect that the amount of demand at any given moment is a big part of it.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

MrCrassic (994046) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756390)

A minor nitpick: The complaint here is that Nexus One owners are experiencing spotty 3G coverage on their phones. Since none of the iPhones support T-Mobile's 3G band, none of them would have this problem.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755136)

Spotty 3G Signals On T-Mobile?

There’s a map for that.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (5, Funny)

skirtsteak_asshat (1622625) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755182)

Then the other guy came out with a reliable, fast network. Were we scared? Hell, no. Because we hit back with a little thing called 3G. That's three G's and a touch pad. For touching. But you know what happened next? Shut up, I'm telling you what happened—the bastards went to four G's. Now we're standing around with our cocks in our hands, selling three G's and a touchpad. Touching or no, suddenly we're the chumps. Well, fuck it. We're going to five G's. Sure, we could go to four G's next, like the competition. That seems like the logical thing to do. After all, three worked out pretty well, and four is the next number after three. So let's play it safe. Let's make a bigger screen and call it the 3G Turbo. Why innovate when we can follow? Oh, I know why: Because we're a business, that's why! Stop. I just had a stroke of genius. Are you ready? Open your wallets, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one sweet, fat nightcrawler: $40 Data plans. You think it's crazy? It is crazy. But I don't give a shit. From now on, we're the ones who have the edge in the cell phone game. We make the rules. What part of this don't you understand? If two G's is good, and three G's is better, obviously five G's would make us the best fucking network that ever existed. Comprende? We didn't claw our way to the top of the network game by clinging to the two-G industry standard. We got here by taking chances. Well, five G's is the biggest chance of all. Here's the report from Engineering. Someone put it in the bathroom: I want to wipe my ass with it. They don't tell me what to invent—I tell them. And I'm telling them to stick two more G's in there. I don't care how. Make the clients so thin they're invisible. Put some on the handle. I don't care if they have to cram the fifth G in perpendicular to the other four, just do it! You're taking the "fast" part of "fast network" too literally, grandma. Cut the strings and soar. Let's hit it. Let's roll. This is our chance to make network history. Let's dream big. All you have to do is say that five G's can happen, and it will happen. If you aren't on board, then fuck you. And if you're on the board, then fuck you and your father. People said we couldn't go to three. It'll cost a fortune to manufacture, they said. Well, we did it. Now some egghead in a lab is screaming "Five's crazy?" Well, perhaps he'd be more comfortable in the labs at Norelco, working on fucking electrics. Rotary phones, my white ass! Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe we should just ride in Bic's wake and make pens. Ha! Not on your fucking life! The day I shadow a penny-ante outfit like Bic is the day I leave the phone game for good, and that won't happen until the day I die! The market? Listen, we make the market. All we have to do is put her out there with a little jingle. It's as easy as, "Hey, browsing with anything less than five G's is like scraping your beard off with a dull hatchet." Or "You'll be so well-connected, I could snort lines off of your chin." Try "Your wallet is going to be so friggin' soft, someone's gonna walk up and tie a goddamn Cub Scout kerchief under it." I know what you're thinking now: What'll people say? Mew mew mew. Oh, no, what will people say?! Grow the fuck up. When you're on top, people talk. That's the price you pay for being on top. Which AT&T is, always has been, and forever shall be, Amen, sweet Jesus in heaven.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

swb (14022) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756224)

Bravo! Original, copy or some bastardized version of something else?

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756448)

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930 [theonion.com]

The shame is it wasn't completely redone (there's still Norelco/Bic stuff in there), but I can't imagine scouring through all that and remaining sane so props regardless.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756914)

The Onion, Business section, February 18, 2004
Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades [theonion.com]

An Internet classic.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756928)

It's a very good bastardized version of The Onion's 5-blade razor bit:
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33930

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756328)

FYI: You just cracked up the core engineering office at Clear.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756874)

Clear actually HAS an engineering dept??? I thought they just threw darts at one of those mindmap things

or is it the customer service dept that has the problem with reality??

hint for y'all ftp uploads are NOT FILE SHARING they are a core internet service

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755196)

It looks like if you don't live within a 15-20 mile radius of a major city you're lucky if you can even get EDGE service. There are vast portions of Ohio that have *no* coverage at all, not even GSM voice. Their entire network clusters around the six "big" cities in Ohio and trickles along the interstate highway system, but if you stray away from those areas you get absolutely no coverage at all.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755616)

Sounds like Sprint before they acquired Nextel

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

zn0k (1082797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755262)

You're kidding, right?

http://www.cellularmaps.com/3g_compare.shtml [cellularmaps.com]

AT&T's 3G coverage is horrible compared to Verizon. T-Mobile's 3G coverage is horrible compared to AT&T.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (2, Funny)

zn0k (1082797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755312)

Whoops - reading comprehension fail. Big time.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755304)

Just 3G coverage? Where I live they make some MVNOs look good. You're lucky to get EDGE here, otherwise you get some pretty consistent GPRS at least. This is a 'major' city, too, we even have actual AT&T 3G. I don't think we'll see good T-mobile coverage here for years.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (2, Informative)

Wannabe Code Monkey (638617) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755480)

No, really?

Have you seen their coverage maps? They make AT&T look good.

If you even bothered to read the summary, you would know that the Nexus One is having a hard time keeping a 3G signal even in places where other T-Mobile 3G phones pick it up just fine. The Nexus One owners aren't complaining that T-Mobile's 3G coverage is bad (although that's a valid complaint as well), they're complaining that the coverage is even worse with this specific phone.

Spotty 3G on Android over Verizon? (1)

Tekfactory (937086) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755914)

This happens on my Droid with Verizon as well.

3G coverage seems to fluctuate wildly just sitting at my desk or at home.
I can try to download email and it will timeout, but while surfing the web, different websites will load immediately or sometimes not at all.

When I'm at home at least I can hop on the wifi and things improve somewhat.

I'd really like to have a network quality feedback app for Android like AT&T has for the iPhone. Actually I'd like to have a feedback app for a lot of the things on Android, including the Google Maps driving directions BETA won't be replacing my TomTom anytime soon.

I sign up for BETA programs, I've been a real QA tester, I don't mind using BETA software, but give me the ability to provide feedback right there when I'm using the phone.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755700)

T-Mobile has always had coverage issues, they don't suscribe to the verizon plan of cover everywhere and charge your customers more for the towers that don't get used.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756140)

I had so many dropped called when I was with AT&T. They were rated the worst network in the nation recently.

Re:Spotty 3G on T-Mobile? (1)

lanner (107308) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756472)

Real-world TMobile customer here, with a MyTouch 3G.

I don't have any problem with 3G coverage in Phoenix AZ. Do I really expect to get 3G coverage outside of the city? No. I get EDGE and regular old GSM out on the road and in rural areas, and that's just fine.

More than anything, I would say that 3G and coverage complaints are an issue of expectation management. Customers expect wacky things, like their phones to work underground and behind four feet of concrete and metal, or to get 3G in Podunk Alaska.

underpants gnome solved (-1, Troll)

ground.zero.612 (1563557) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754746)

1) Generate big press response to allegations of corporate and government espionage.

2) Issue blanket response to public outcry over spotty functionality.

3) (formerly ?????) Blame China!

4) Profit!

Re:underpants gnome solved (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754842)

This is what folks get for being early adopters.

Re:underpants gnome solved (1)

happy_place (632005) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755248)

nah. the underpants guy is what we get when chinese nationals are allowed to post on slashdot and have egg on their faces... :) As for spotty reception, I fail to see how google would be to blame for that. Sounds more like a cell-network problem.

they can stop looking (0)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754752)

They can stop looking. Either the signal processor is of poor quality, or the antenna is too short. AT&T typically runs at a lower frequency than T-mobile, which means the signal attenuation is greater. The two GSM bands in use in the US are 850 and 1900 Mhz.

Re:they can stop looking (2, Informative)

Shakrai (717556) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755180)

The two GSM bands in use in the US are 850 and 1900 Mhz.

T-Mobile is building out a good portion of their 3G network on the AWS band, which is 2110 - 2155 MHz for the downlink and 1710 - 1755 MHz on the upload.

Re:they can stop looking (1)

drijen (919269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755760)

Wrong. Tmo uses 1700 and 2100.

Re:they can stop looking (1)

girlintraining (1395911) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756748)

Wrong. Tmo uses 1700 and 2100.

Still a significantly shorter wavelength than 850.

Never Spotty (5, Funny)

Infiniti2000 (1720222) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754768)

I post from my phone frequently and never hav

Re:Never Spotty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755156)

Oh crap, is there a candlejack in t

Re:Never Spotty (2, Funny)

greyline (1052440) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755844)

How did you submit if you lost connection?

Re:Never Spotty (2, Funny)

stillnotelf (1476907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756478)

You must be new here... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NO_CARRIER#As_Internet_slang [wikipedia.org] (Admittedly, it's not clearly a no carrier joke with no no carrier...)

Re:Never Spotty (2, Funny)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756778)

No, you must be new... anytime someone makes a candlejack or lost carrier joke, someone else must invariably be clever and comment on how it clicked submit for y

Re:Never Spotty (1)

Paul Carver (4555) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756998)

I bet you're wishing that your connection had dropped out just before you clicked submit so that you wouldn't have uploaded that incomplete comment. Too bad that your connection was so reliable that it successfully uploaded your comment as soon as you hit the button.

Did only whiners buy the Nexus One? (5, Insightful)

cmkeane (240429) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754780)

I ordered the N1 right out of the box, and it has performed almost flawlessly. The 3G has held as good as anything in REAL use. And it has compared favorably with my experience on the myTouch on t-mobile, and a long list of WM phones on AT&T. It is possible there is a bad batch in the initial production line, or perhaps people are spending WAY too much time looking at their signal status! I have never seen any phone be perfect in holding steady bars/speed level on any carrier in real use - you know, moving about in a building, driving a car, and even just sitting in my office. Too many variables. Its a friggin' phone, not a magical device and large production runs may have some flaws. Now the apparent lack of customer support planned, that is a different story.

Re:Did only whiners buy the Nexus One? (3, Insightful)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754986)

Why is this marked troll?!?

Really the big question is, is 3G available when the user wants to use 3G. Otherwise, who cares if its in 2G when the phone isn't being used as that likely provides a huge battery life boost.

Re:Did only whiners buy the Nexus One? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755750)

This whole thing has the odor of astroturfing on it. We have inflammatory headlines about 'support issues' from news outlets, and this week's non-story about termination fees.

If not an outright FUD campaign by Google's competitors, at the very least the media is blowing things out of proportion to get a story.

Re:Did only whiners buy the Nexus One? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756150)

I don't think it's only the N1 consumer, it's everyone who owns a smartphone. I publish a quality, 4 star, app for 0.99$ and you wouldn't believe the trash people come up with to get their, often 0.60 euros/pounds, back.

People will pay 300% overhead for a bottle of water at an amusement park without thinking twice and only drink half, but when it comes to a 0.60 euro app! Fucker better gimme my money back a month later when I want it! Can't change the launcher icon! 1 star!!

Re:Did only whiners buy the Nexus One? (1)

PopeRatzo (965947) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756652)

I ordered the N1 right out of the box, and it has performed almost flawlessly.

Shhhh.

You're spoiling all this perfectly good appleturfing.

The Heading is Wrong (2, Funny)

DustyShadow (691635) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754854)

Should be "T-Mobile Service is Terrible No Matter What Phone You Use"

Re:The Heading is Wrong (1)

Bo'Bob'O (95398) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756352)

I have a G1 and indeed, I have the same trouble. I tend to lock it into Edge mode most of the time.

Re:The Heading is Wrong (1)

HenryKoren (735064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756626)

I had the displeasure of having a G1 for a little more than a week before I send it back from whence it came. I couldn't even get Edge unless I strolled around my neighborhood looking for their pathetic signal. This after I spent six months competing in the android developer challenge. What a massive disappointment.

I am utterly baffled why Google would sully their reputation by attaching themselves to such a shit network.

How about releasing a CDMA nexus one on Sprint??

Re:The Heading is Wrong (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 4 years ago | (#30757010)

I am utterly baffled why Google would sully their reputation by attaching themselves to such a shit network.

More likely, I think, is that they designed the first version of the phone to use the same 3G frequencies that are used in most of the world, so they'd be able to sell it worldwide.

Unfortunately, in the US, T-Mobile is the only carrier that uses the worldwide frequencies. AT&T uses different, incompatible 3G frequencies. It's easy for us to think that T-Mobile is the outlier because AT&T is so much bigger in the US, but it's really the other way around.

Who knew? (4, Funny)

MongooseKY (760783) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754906)

T-Mobile has 3G?

Re:Who knew? (1)

wfWebber (715881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756256)

Actually, not really.

"Well, yeah," says Google.. (1)

RevWaldo (1186281) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754930)

"Nexus One is still in beta. You gotta expect the odd hiccup or two. (pause) What?"

Re:"Well, yeah," says Google.. (1)

rhsanborn (773855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755716)

It's on a Google lifecycle. It should be in beta for roughly the next 7 years.

Re:"Well, yeah," says Google.. (1)

robot256 (1635039) | more than 4 years ago | (#30757086)

Funny thing is, you still have to pay for it even though it's in "beta". By rights as a beta tester they should be paying YOU...or are they pulling a M$ and making their customers into beta testers?

Fuck that, I'm stickin' with a phone that acts like a phone instead of a pc.

it's still in beta (3, Insightful)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30754992)

seriously, i was checking the Android Central forums and there is a whole thread there how it's a known issue with HTC phones going back at least a year and affects all carriers

Re:it's still in beta (1)

AndrewNeo (979708) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755338)

But it's a Nexus One! A Google phone! (whine, complain)

Re:it's still in beta (1)

hydertech (122031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755802)

You would have thought that before releasing this critter Google would have googled it.

Thank you, beta testers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755016)

Thank you, beta testers! Now I am more informed of this new phone!

3g? How about just some signal, period? (3, Informative)

damn_registrars (1103043) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755026)

I have friends who live in suburban developments near where I live, and I can't get any signal while at their house. Two blocks in one direction from there is 4 bars, one block in another direction is 3 bars (followed by a dead spot another block past). I don't give a damn about 3g on T-mobile (as a T-mobile customer) - I just want to be able to use my phone as a phone. I have a pretty decent signal at home, but I can't very well drive home from anywhere and hold signal all the way home.

And even worse, the coverage maps on T-mobile claim that I should get "good" coverage in these locations where I have no signal. And this is on a quad-band blackberry.

Re:3g? How about just some signal, period? (1)

BlueScreenOfTOM (939766) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756174)

This is why I refuse to switch off Verizon regardless of what awesome deals T-Mobile comes to the table with. I hate everything about Verizon except the fact their coverage can't be beat. I have a Blackberry on AT&T provided by my company, and I will admit it gets similar connectivity in most places I go around cities. But once I go down into the Metro, or anywhere 30 miles+ away from a city, my Blackberry goes dead while my Verizon phone continues to pick up enough of a signal to make a call.

I think people neglect to decide what is really important for them when they choose which mobile carrier to go with these days. Is coverage most important to you? Verizon. Is the iPhone most important to you? AT&T. Is price and openness most important to you? T-Mobile or Sprint. Is push-to-talk most important to you? Sprint/Nextel.

Welcome to reality. (4, Informative)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755048)

This is the same with every 3G phone on every network I've ever used. I've had to add (or un-hide) a band selector on every 3G phone I've ever had because the default settings are always designed to lock onto the STRONGEST signal rather than the FASTEST signal. If I'm going to be doing data-intensive stuff, lock it in 3G. When I'm done, switch it back to auto.

Re:Welcome to reality. (0, Troll)

Tikkun (992269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755082)

Don't you mean welcome to the USA?

Re:Welcome to reality. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755490)

USA USA! We're #19^H!

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

kindbud (90044) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755576)

That's a good tip. Not all devices support it, though. But I never have switch it back to auto. I use 3G on Verizon, where I get four bars and 2.5 Mbps on my boat moored at Catalina Island, 26 miles off the coast of Los Angeles. With Verizon, you can pretty much fix it to 3G-only and never have a problem, except in parts of West Texas.

I wonder sometimes whether the difference is that Verizon uses CDMA, or that Verizon just has way more towers than the other carriers.

2nd! (1)

raehl (609729) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755946)

I have a 3G phone as well as a 3G broadband modem (a couple actually) The modems are configured to go for 3G at all costs, and I find they do a much better job at sticking to 3G than phones do.

For phones, it's really a no-win situation... do you want customers to be pissed that their data rate stinks or that their call quality/total connectivity stinks?

Re:2nd! (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756724)

It's one thing to set the phones to behave in a certain way by default. Every device needs to have some sort of common base configuration that meets the needs of the largest number of customers. It's another thing entirely to hide/disable/remove the utilities that would allow the customer to adjust those settings to meet their individual needs. For me, my device is a data link which I occasionally use for voice calls. Since I make more than 0 calls per month, I need the phone feature but it's a distant second to data. But I have to "hack" my device to gain a level of control over it that makes it useful to me. That just ain't right. :)

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756054)

Didn't even know you could do this. A link to supporting documentation and/or software will earn you a small bribe.

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756108)

Does this [nttdocomo.co.jp] help?

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756798)

Is the left hand column phone models? If so, no.

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

clone53421 (1310749) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756940)

I suspect so, but you might still find that your phone is similar to one of them.

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

jtownatpunk.net (245670) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756784)

Google is your friend. Each phone and carrier are different. Search for

[carrier] lock [phone_model] in 3g mode

or something similar. Most WinMo phones have bandsel.exe hidden and either unhiding it or creating a shortcut to it will restore its functionality. Tho sometimes it is removed and sometimes it doesn't work properly with that particular phone/carrier combo. And, obviously, that won't help with non-WinMo phones. So do a search for your specific setup.

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756850)

Gee! Googling for information?! What a novel concept!

It isn't obvious to me that "choose the fastest, not the strongest" is the same as "lock in 3G". If it is, well then thanks for the tip, if not the attitude.

Re:Welcome to reality. (1)

VoltageX (845249) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756802)

And not just in the US either. Here in Australia I am constantly setting the band on my N95 to stop it either a) locking on to the 1-bar 3G signal when the 2G network is fine, or b) locking on to the 5-bar 2G signal when the 3-bar 3G signal would work fine.

As an ATT customer I can say ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755150)

I thought that was just how 3G was supposed to work.

That's why I bailed out from T-mobile (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755350)

I don't use 3G service, only basic mobile telephone service, but T-mobile sucked in my area. If I were indoors, 90% of the time I couldn't pick up a signal. I switched to Verizon, and have had no problems since. (I do have a non-usable SIM card Treo, but it was worth the switch.)

Plan for T-Mobile (0, Troll)

gregarican (694358) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755540)

Since T-Mobile is a lower-tier provider in the U.S. (although has pretty good customer service from what I recall) perhaps they'd be better to reinvent themselves by partnering with a like-minded company. They should merge with America Online so they can truly jump the shark.

Seriously though, after 8+ years of heavy business use of Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile I'd put them in that order in terms of service coverage. And AT&T and T-Mobile are so far down the pecking order it's a joke...

I don't care about 3G. (1)

uacsux (1720366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755648)

I bought it because it rhymes with Lexus.

I wish i could get a spotty connection... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755650)

No, Seriously, it would be an upgrade...

spotty 3g cause of towers? (1)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755664)

T-mobile in my area has a problem. when my friend called up to complain about his mytouch they said he's between two towers so it bounces back and forth. Something is wrong with their implementation of 3g? I really want a nexus but having my phone being pinged back and forth by two towers would suck. Im even considering putting up a repeater in the attic

Re:spotty 3g cause of towers? (1)

meclamar (668862) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756866)

All cell carriers do this normally. At my last apartment I was bouncing between 4 Verizon towers. None gave me good signal. :(

News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755684)

In other news, the sky is blue...

This just in! (1)

greymond (539980) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755712)

A great phone doesn't mean shit when your only choice for service is a string and tin can.

Re:This just in! (1)

shock1970 (1216162) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756160)

Silly Human... you're supposed to replace the can with the phone!

DDRROOIIDD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755744)

I love my Verizon Droid.

Re:DDRROOIIDD (1)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756702)

I guess it's just too bad that you won't ever get Bluetooth PAN profiles on VZ--you're stuck with using only DUN. So, basically, your Verizon Droid blocks your Internet connection whenever you're making or receiving a voice call, and there's no technical reason why, just that they want to choke you off from using as much data bandwidth as you otherwise would, but without the nasty PR headache of explicit caps or overuse penalties.

Re:DDRROOIIDD (1)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756974)

Don't you watch the AT&T commercials? It's a limitation of the network that you can't use data at the same time as voice. You need AT&T to do that.

3g, no g (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30755848)

EVERYONE has reported spotty 3G coverage with T-mobile...

US-mode telephony (0)

dltaylor (7510) | more than 4 years ago | (#30755972)

Poor service in far too many cases, hardware locked into service providers, limitations on use contrary to the advertising (and, sometimes, contract), but the chumps/marks/"customers" can't really complain, 'cause the major carriers own enough of the government to stifle any redress.

Get used to it; it isn't going to get any better.

Yeah, it may be a troll/whine, but until the tech "fanboys" (us) go cold turkey and stop buying the contracts, there's not even a hope of change (and, yes, I have).

Re:US-mode telephony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30756114)

U just think you're the cat's ass don't you?

Spotty Coverage on TMobile (1)

rec9140 (732463) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756284)

Who would have guessed that there would be spotty coverage on TMobile.

More like NO COVERAGE.

They are DISTANT 4th in the US marketplace among national level carriers.

There are regional carriers which have far more coverage in their region than TMobile as a whole.

Next time pick a REAL CARRIER, translation VERIZON!

GSM coverage in the US is "suboptimal" (1)

vanyel (28049) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756400)

I switched to Sprint from AT&T years ago because of crappy coverage in the switch to digital, but recently caved and got a Cliq from Tmobile. I'd tried the G1 a year ago, and knew what I was getting into, resigning myself to buying a $300 cellular repeater just so I could use the phone at home. It's nice having the features in the Cliq (the options from Sprint were too limited for my tastes, and I travel internationally from time to time and wanted a phone that would work globally), and it works well when it *does* have coverage, but I find myself thinking about getting a cheap Sprint phone/plan just so I have a backup option.

A response from Google? (3, Insightful)

sukotto (122876) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756570)

You got a response from Google about a technical problem with one of their products?

How the hell did you accomplish that?

When you are on the bleeding edge... (3, Insightful)

Pointy_Hair (133077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30756598)

... it's always your blood all over the floor. Give it a while and they'll have that shiny new gadget patched up real nice!

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