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Wii Hardware Upgrade Won't Happen Soon

Soulskill posted more than 4 years ago | from the can't-show-ugly-mario-in-hd dept.

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As high-definition graphics become more and more entrenched in this generation of game consoles, Nintendo has had to deal with constant speculation about a new version of the Wii that would increase its capabilities. Today, Nintendo of America president Reggie Fils-Aime bluntly denied that a hardware revision was imminent, saying, "We are confident the Wii home entertainment console has a very long life in front of it." He added, "In terms of what the future holds, we've gone on record to say that the next step for Nintendo in home consoles will not be to simply make it HD, but to add more and more capability, and we'll do that when we've totally tapped out all of the experiences for the existing Wii. And we're nowhere near doing that yet."

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It makes sense really (4, Insightful)

sopssa (1498795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776208)

Wii has a large userbase of casual gamers. There wouldn't really be anything that new for then. HD sure, but I know many people who really aren't that interested in it. I am, sure, I would love a Wii HD with Motion Capture Plus. But thats probably not the case for majority of people, especially girls who usually don't understand why their boyfriends/husbands want a huge HDTV.

The only thing Wii was missing was the better motion sensors, but it wasn't possible financially at that point, the technology was too costly for competing with better priced console. After that it would be just everything that more hardcore players would want, and that isn't Nintendo's largest market.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776352)

Yeah, similarly as Sony CEO denied the existence of a PS3 Slim before they unveiled it.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776364)

In addition to that, half the games don't even make full use of the graphics capabilities already available. Zelda, for example, looked basically the same as on game cube. Right now I'm playing fire-emblem, and while it's a great game, the graphics aren't much better than you would see on PS1. It's kind of amazing to me now, that after all these years of chasing graphics, finally there is a console that ignores the race and still does well.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

10Neon (932006) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776474)

Twilight Princess was a ported GameCube game, if that helps explain anything.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776602)

I've stopped caring about advances in graphics since about the time of the PS2. There are new things the current gen of consoles offer... networking, motion sensing, better storage... but if you look fundamentally at the games, I don't think the improved graphics make them any more fun. There's nothing on the 360 that couldn't have been done on the x-box, if the developers had just cut back the complexity of the graphics; and it would have been no less fun.

At some point, the majority of televisions will transition over to HD, and so it will make sense that the Wii needs to upgrade to meet that. But I see no point in upgrading purely to get a boost in graphics.

Fire Emblem, by the way, is the best game I've played on any console this gen... and they could have made it for the Nintendo DS with almost no changes in gameplay.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Insightful)

Inda (580031) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776706)

Are you two kidding? Full blown HD graphics with shadows, complex textures, high poly count and the like are what I want. I want to see blemishes on skin, blades of grass moving and reflections in water. I want to hear footsteps on metal, birds tweeting and monsters breathing. I want downloadable content, voice chat and massive multiplayer events.

Any gamer who's pulled out a GFX card and replaced it with a better model will say the same.

Wii? It's a child's toy. It's a child's toy that my child doesn't even play because it's a poor and expensive experience.

Re:It makes sense really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776842)

Oy... I thought that you were being sarcastic. Are you?

You do realize that audio generally requires much less processing power than video, right?

Re:It makes sense really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776862)

Any gamer who's pulled out a GFX card and replaced it with a better model will say the same.

False.

Re:It makes sense really (4, Interesting)

BikeHelmet (1437881) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776890)

Are you two kidding? Full blown HD graphics with shadows, complex textures, high poly count and the like are what I want. I want to see blemishes on skin, blades of grass moving and reflections in water. I want to hear footsteps on metal, birds tweeting and monsters breathing. I want downloadable content, voice chat and massive multiplayer events.

Sounds like you need a PC rather than a console.

Consoles are great. I need one so that when people visit, they keep their mucky hands off my computer. Guess which console I went for?

Re:It makes sense really (2, Funny)

Kugrian (886993) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777430)

Guess which console I went for?

PS2. Cheap ass.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777140)

It's more powerful than the PS2. Did you not enjoy a PS2? I would give up all my current gen consoles before I gave up my PS2.

I guess I look for very different things in a game than you do.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

polar red (215081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777464)

Any gamer who's pulled out a GFX card and replaced it with a better model will say the same.

wrong. did you ever try the wii out ? the controller is at least half what it makes interesting, and i'm waiting for "red steel 2" to come out, it will blow your mind ...

Re:It makes sense really (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777664)

Only with the Wii MotionPlus. Regular Wiimote SUCKS for such things.

Re:It makes sense really (2, Insightful)

Negatyfus (602326) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777238)

I have often wondered if what I saw the Xbox 360 put out would have been possible on the Xbox. My conclusion is: no, it wouldn't have been. It would have been a scaled-down, lesser experience. The consoles are power-beasts this generation and can barf up some very impressive things. Not only in terms of graphics do the games provide a better feeling, but also in amount of enemies on-screen, AI and animation. The latter plays a big role in gameplay. I also like in-game cut-scenes. The Xbox could do that, sure, but for the first time they actually look like something worth watching. No blocky polygons and blurry textures to distract you from the story that is unfolding. I appreciate all the people shouting "Gameplay over graphics, rawr!!" but they are both important. The fanatics can play with their emulators, if they'd like, but I do like a good graphical experience (both on consoles and PC).

Re:It makes sense really (1, Insightful)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777246)

here is the counter arguement - HD graphics allow you to place details in the game that otherwise would be impossible. translucent walls, fog, 3d sound. they all add to the atmosphere of the game and CAN make a more enjoyable and immersive experience.

having said that, i'm flat out thinking of more then a handfull of games that actually make use of it. that's not a problem with HD however, it's a problem with our current distribution system for gaming, which favours the wrong people.

Re:It makes sense really (5, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777550)

I've stopped caring about advances in graphics since about the time of the PS2. There are new things the current gen of consoles offer... networking, motion sensing, better storage... but if you look fundamentally at the games, I don't think the improved graphics make them any more fun. There's nothing on the 360 that couldn't have been done on the x-box, if the developers had just cut back the complexity of the graphics; and it would have been no less fun.

The "graphics don't matter" argument doesn't hold much water. If we go down that route, then through backwards induction there was nothing in the PS2 that couldn't be done on the PS1 with cut back graphics. And nothing on the PS1 that couldn't be done on the Sega Saturn. And nothing in the Sega Saturn to Sega Megadrive. And nothing in the Sega Megadrive to NES. And nothing in NES to Atari 2600. And nothing Atari 2600 to the Telstar. etc.

Except of course graphics wasn't the only thing that changed between console generations. Processing power, memory, storage, general throughput, controllers, number of players, modelling, animation, audio, networking, physics are all improved. Each generation was capable of delivering experiences that you simply couldn't get on the one before. Do all these things guarantee a better game? Of course not, but they are powerful tools that can and should be used to deliver the best experience.

An obvious example of this would be Dead Rising. The concept worked so well on the 360 because the console had the power to render hundreds of zombies. A veritable horde of them. When the game was ported to the Wii, even with cut down graphics, the game had been emasculated so you were lucky to see a dozen zombies at once. The game lost its soul in the transition. Some games simply do not translate well even if you cut down the graphics.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777710)

It sounds like you're in the minority of console gamers who never has moments like "holy shit that looks amazing!" Better graphics make that possible.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Insightful)

bronney (638318) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776642)

Exactly bro, ever notice the people in Pixar's film don't exactly look like people? Yet their movie completely rocks? It's always the content. The actors do play a part but if you've seen great actors in shit high budget movies you'd know what I mean :)

Re:It makes sense really (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777042)

People are used to a kind of look, and won't accept anything less.
      I started gaming on the Sinclair Spectrum clones, with their 256 * 170 something displays. I still think those games were looking great, but I hate the look of the flash-based clones with similar resolutions.
      People that are used to a level of graphics in games won't accept something lower, even if the play is fun. While Doom could look nice on a phone screen, they look terrible on 19" displays.
      So, people don't really want all that realistic look, but they'll downrate the game if it's looking blocky (Doom, X-COM, other old games).

Re:It makes sense really (4, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777158)

Doom is the best selling game on xbox live, if I remember correctly. Unenhanced graphics. My son at college just recently beat Nightmare mode, and called me to brag. Pixelation and all.

Re:It makes sense really (0)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777172)

Wow... Just wow :|

Re:It makes sense really (0)

bronney (638318) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777242)

good for him :)

Re:It makes sense really (3, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776456)

Well, they already made the decision to drop out of the graphics arms race, and instead concentrate an features that made the system more usable. That strategy has paid off handsomely. Why go back on it now?

I wonder if consumers are beginning to get tired of all that expensive tech that ends up being obsolete in a year or two. The recession is a factor, but even before, we saw people asking themselves if they really wanted Blu-Ray, HD, or whatever. The fact that cheap-but-fun Nintendo products are outselling the fancier competition is consistent with that.

Re:It makes sense really (3, Interesting)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776558)

Might it be that, for most people, DVD resolution is 'good enough' for video, like mp3 is 'good enough' for audio? Or am I just restating the '640k' thing?

Re:It makes sense really (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776926)

DVD resolution is 'good enough' for video

Most of the time - yes. Many movies gain little to nothing from HD.

Or am I just restating the '640k' thing?

Yes and no.

My point is that many movies/games jumped on HD (and next - 3D) without actually trying to add anything new to it. My friend after seeing a new movie in HD once commented that only difference to experience was that in the boring moments of the movie he could entertain himself by reading the signs and numbers on the license plates.

Where HD could make huge difference in games IMO are the action scenes. Pixel count really helps to understand what's going on the screen. Though to date I have seen very few (if any) games which were able to do it properly: huge mess of flashy special effects spilling from the screen is really a huge unparsable mess. Only truly properly applied HD in games remain the cut scenes. And even those out of the long standing PC gaming habit I normally skip....

Though game-wise HD at the moment is largely misplaced, Wii needs to support HD simply because in few years one wouldn't be able to buy a non-HD TV. And Wii on HD screen looks really bad: jagged edges and overall over-smoothness of graphics really hurts my eyes. Upgrade of Wii to simply properly render in/scale to at least 720p would help.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777398)

Talking of 3D (off topic) but I can't watch it. My depth-perception kicks in and I try and focus on different parts of the scene. Avatar was pretty, but gave me a headache.

Does anybody watch a movie by staring dead-straight at the centre of the screen?

Re:It makes sense really (1)

ThePhilips (752041) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777530)

Does anybody watch a movie by staring dead-straight at the centre of the screen?

Majority does.

And that's what Hollywood execs care about.

I have similar problems though not to such extent: during Avatar I had to take off glasses not once but otherwise I was OK.

In fact it is not so much of an off-topic. HD has similar problem - supplying too much redundant information which human perception simply can't swallow. Most people ignore it. Though some like me (or you) who like to look not only at what film/game makers expects us to look at get the headaches.

Re:It makes sense really (1, Informative)

plastbox (1577037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777584)

What I don't get is that the Wii already supports HD. Depends on your definition I guess but 480p is, per definition, HD. Sure, you'd need to buy an extra cable or break out the proper output yourself (I recall seeing someone hack this together a while back), but 480p should look a lot better than 480i or whatever VHS players of ye olden days used (that we still, for some reason, use).

Re:It makes sense really (4, Insightful)

Lussarn (105276) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776488)

especially girls who usually don't understand why their boyfriends/husbands want a huge HDTV

I must be lucky, my GF already talks about 3DTV. Last year I tried unsuccesfully to hold her back on the home cinema system.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

isama (1537121) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776874)

I am jealous.

Re:It makes sense really (-1, Offtopic)

dreamchaser (49529) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776958)

Don't be. He must be lying. Everyone knows /. geeks don't have girlfriends.

I kid! I kid!

Re:It makes sense really (4, Funny)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776964)

>I must be lucky, my GF already talks about 3DTV. Last year I tried unsuccesfully to hold her back on the home cinema system.
It's a trick. Mine was the same until I married her. Now she just complains about all the Hifi, TVs, speakers etc cluttering the place up.

Re:It makes sense really (2, Funny)

Kugrian (886993) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777440)

I got one of those. T2000. What model are you using?

Re:It makes sense really (5, Insightful)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777526)

A woman marries a man thinking he'll change... he doesn't.

A man marries a woman thinking she won't change... she does.

I doubt this will ever change.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

plastbox (1577037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777644)

Lack of understanding doesn't exclude ability to enjoy. I wanted to hook up my old Logitech 4.1 surround speakers at home to at least get better sound than the TV's built in speakers but my girlfriend didn't like the idea of extra wires and such. She was away visiting family for a few days this Christmas though, so I seized the opportunity to do it anyways, and since she got home and heard the difference there has been no argument.

Also, I am currently trying to hold her back from buying some large-ass plasma TV. She doesn't bother with properly understanding things like contrast and resolution, so she tends to get a bit blinded by the "CHEAP SUPER-PLASMA 50 inch WOWNESS"-advertising. Just have to keep telling her that anything below 720p is a complete waste of money no matter how big it is, since we already have a decent non-HD wide-screen TV.

Credit where credit is due though, she's quite the technophile (for a girl. I can say that, right?). She loves gadgets and utterly rocks right off the bat at pretty much any game she plays. The best gift I have ever given her is an official Star Wars lightsaber. Every time we have new people over, she takes it down from it's shelf to show off. ^^

Re:It makes sense really (2, Interesting)

Z00L00K (682162) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776680)

One really interesting thing when it comes to the Wii is that the controllers are talking Bluetooth, which makes them useful for other applications too.

Just take a look at the Wiimote library [msdn.com] .

And recently I have interfaced a Wiimote with a windows mobile device, so anyone stating that it can't be done is wrong.

Re:It makes sense really (2, Informative)

sonamchauhan (587356) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776698)

"I would love a Wii HD with Motion Capture Plus."

Its Wii MotionPlus not Motion Capture Plus, but ... so would I :)

you may have just started something here...

Re:It makes sense really (1, Insightful)

Isbiten (597220) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776700)

But thats probably not the case for majority of people, especially girls who usually don't understand why their boyfriends/husbands want a huge HDTV..

Yes because women and girls are so dumb, am I right? My girlfriend was just as excited as I was when we got our HDTV to play Xbox on.

Re:It makes sense really (-1, Offtopic)

spazdor (902907) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777346)

Yeah, it's kinda bullshit that comments portraying women in this way are so commonplace around here.

Clue for the clueless: those mysterious, presumably-far-from-average women around here on Slashdot, the ones who don't fit the "exasperated girlfriend to male tech-geek" archetype, have probably heard this HAHA WOMEN DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR TOYS joke before. It has probably lost its charm. You are probably contributing to the fact that it's so damn hard to pick up chicks at Linux conventions. Stop it.

Re:It makes sense really (1)

plastbox (1577037) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777706)

Well, as guys we generally notice girls who look good and girls who spend time tending to their appearance don't often care about gadgetry and tech stuff. Ergo, we mostly notice the women who are "dumb" when it comes to anything we care about.

On a related note.. has anyone here considered the skill required in putting on a decent face of make-up? I can do amazing things with php, mysql and jQuery in no time at all, I am proficient in a good handful of languages, I can setup and configure servers and networks...

..but I can't for the life of me put together an ensemble that makes me look good and stand out at a social gathering, much less do so in 30 minutes.

Re:It makes sense really (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776912)

How about streaming HD content via a Wii channel, or just watching BluRay films on the Wii?

Plus when a Wii is been displayed on a 40"+ TV it looks very N64ish imho.

A bit more GPU grunt would also be very welcome for developers!

Re:It makes sense really (5, Insightful)

hattig (47930) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777096)

Never mind that this guy isn't about to Osbourne Wii sales.

Until they want to show it off, it won't exist. Simple really.

You don't see Microsoft talking about the XBox1080, or Sony talking about the PS4 - that's because they don't want existing sales to tank as people wait for the new product. I don't see why Nintendo would be any different. The only guaranteed thing is that all three companies are more than likely well into the design process for their next generation consoles.

darn it! (1)

irp (260932) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776210)

And here I was waiting out for the Wii2 (Wii-ii?)

Re:darn it! (2, Funny)

Misanthrope (49269) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776252)

My own speculative name was the Wii-Wii....

Re:darn it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776312)

John Dvorak got there [mevio.com] before you.

Re:darn it! (3, Interesting)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776640)

I think that Nintendo's going to go with a new paradigm for console releases: They'll follow the iPod route. Their next Wii will just be the new model of Wii, with improved features, and slightly changed styling, but fully backwards compatible.

They want your WIFE to want to upgrade.

Re:darn it! (2, Funny)

polar red (215081) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777514)

that's 'wiife'.

Re:darn it! (1)

Comboman (895500) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777758)

Sounds more like the Sega route (Genesis,SegaCD,32X) and we all know how that turned out. Incremental hardware upgrades are not enough to get most people to buy (which in turn means not enough developers will support it). A 'next gen' console needs to truly be 'next gen' otherwise all you do is fragment your market share.

Nowhere near? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776224)

"and we'll do that when we've totally tapped out all of the experiences for the existing Wii"

I figured they already did that when I sold my Wii 5 months ago. Sorry but replacing a button press with a wiggle motion doesn't really do anything for me.

So what he's really saying... (5, Insightful)

myddrn (1234656) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776264)

In terms of what the future holds, we've gone on record to say that the next step for Nintendo in home consoles will not be to simply make it HD, but to add more and more capability, and we'll do that when we've totally tapped out all of the experiences for the existing Wii.

Translation: We still have MOUNTAINS of shovel ware to sell!

nowhere near (4, Funny)

Reed Solomon (897367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776276)

>"when we've totally tapped out all of the experiences for the existing Wii. And we're nowhere near doing that yet."

exactly. they've only just come out with a black wii. then they will have a blue wii, yellow wii, green wii, then they still have to do the special edition pokemon pikachu wii, the clear see through wii, the smaller wii with a different disc loading mechanism, an even smaller wii with a new controller, then FINALLY they'll release the WII HD, after all our waiting, then 6 months later they'll release the wii 2 electric boogaloo

Re:nowhere near (2, Interesting)

FrostDust (1009075) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776502)

While Nintendo has indeed released such variations of their consoles in the past (except for disc loading, are you thinking of Sony?), you're omitting that none of the redesigns introduced new features to the console. The user is not disadvantaged by not buying the new models.

Having differently colored casings does nothing to the capabilities of the system. The smaller redesigns use less material and may be more "stylish" compared to when the system was first released, but still add no new features.

The only system I can remember with it's redesign having a new feature that the older model lacked is a newer DS having a built-in web browser, but this was previously available on the older models via a cartridge.

Offering redesigned systems, where the features are still the same as the original model, is not detrimental to Nintendo users. If anything, it'd be Microsoft and Sony that are worthy of such criticism.

Re:nowhere near (2, Interesting)

Reed Solomon (897367) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776538)

original gameboy, then came the gameboy pocket, then came various versions with different colours, then came the gameboy colour. then came the GBA with various colour editions. then the GBA SP, then came the coloured editions of that, also the NES styled edition (which I admit I own and still play) then the GBA MICRO. Then the DS, which wasn't supposed to kill the GBA but did anyways.

Nintendo always does this. they milk the cow until blood comes out, then they kill it, bring in a new cow, and feed it to the new cow.

As for the disc loading, I was mostly referring to the mechanisms of the original NES vs version 2. top loading vs front loading.

Re:nowhere near (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30777420)

While Nintendo has indeed released such variations of their consoles in the past (except for disc loading, are you thinking of Sony?), you're omitting that none of the redesigns introduced new features to the console. The user is not disadvantaged by not buying the new models.

No! The ones sold with flame decals on the side go faster! Everyone knows flame decals means speed!

Tapped out, eh? (1)

gaelfx (1111115) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776280)

So that means the next lame dancing game for wii will be "Tap-dancing with the Stars"? Or another tap-fest like WarioWare titles of yore? I just can't read far enough into what all these execs say when they talk about the "long life" of their consoles that remain entertaining for 2.5 years at best.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (4, Insightful)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776316)

I just can't read far enough into what all these execs say when they talk about the "long life" of their consoles that remain entertaining for 2.5 years at best.

I think I disagree. Why upgrade, if the only difference is going to be better graphics? That doesn't make games any better. The weakest console, graphically, won this gen by a landslide. The weakest console, graphically, won last gen by a landslide. It's the games, not the hardware, that make a console enjoyable... and the games get BETTER throughout a console's lifespan.

If a new console cycle started, we would be in for two years of really bad games before developers got back on an even keel. The games would become ANOTHER 400% more expensive to create, and probably shorter. Is there any game you want that can't be made on current hardware?

I would love to get another five years out of ALL the current consoles.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1, Insightful)

Loomismeister (1589505) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776350)

The games on the Wii are the weakest part about it. The novelty is what sells Wii consoles, not the games.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (3, Insightful)

magnusrex1280 (1075361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776390)

Obviously you haven't played any of the numerous Wii games that are really good. Are there also a bunch of Wii games that are gimmicky and simple? Yes. But don't assume that just because there are some crappy games for a console, that said console is successful only because of a unique feature. No console does as well as the Wii has without GOOD games. I own a PS3, a top-of-the-line gaming PC, AND a Wii, so this isn't just some Nintendo fan boy sounding off. I'm pretty picky about what games I buy, and the Wii has a bunch that are lots of fun, and have actual replay value.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776520)

No, they're pretty much shit, you just have fucking terrible taste in games, much like everyone else in this generation. I think it's likely an acceptable proven fact that: "if you can claim the wii is good you have no right to comment on what makes a game good"

Re:Tapped out, eh? (3, Funny)

Toonol (1057698) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776668)

Visiting slashdot? How's 4chan?

Re:Tapped out, eh? (5, Informative)

feepness (543479) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776524)

According to MetaCritic [metacritic.com] , there are 26 Xbox games with 90+ ratings, 20 PS3 games with 90+ ratings, and 9 games on the Wii with 90+ ratings.

I don't see the value proposition in the Wii now that the more powerful and capable competition with better games have come down to a point where the price difference is largely irrelevant.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776920)

All posting a Metacritic statistic proves is that select journos who are largely from the same demographic prefer the PS360 over the Wii.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (3, Interesting)

ookaze (227977) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777034)

According to MetaCritic [metacritic.com] , there are 26 Xbox games with 90+ ratings, 20 PS3 games with 90+ ratings, and 9 games on the Wii with 90+ ratings.
I don't see the value proposition in the Wii now that the more powerful and capable competition with better games have come down to a point where the price difference is largely irrelevant.

Staying locked in your bubble won't allow you to understand where you're wrong.
But it's pretty obvious : "Metacritic", "more powerful and capable competition with better games".
You are stuck in your old values that the Wii is disrupting right since before its launch, and you use Metacritic to confort you, a site that compile reviews from site stuck exactly in these same old values.
Sorry, but the Wii just shattered the record of sales for a console in one month in the USA this december (3.81 millions Wii sold, PS2, previous record owner for home consoles, was at 2.69).
It more than exceeded the sales of PS3 and XB360 combined.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1, Insightful)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777098)

That's all good and well if you agree with the results of the MetaCritic. However, this might not be the case: as a car-related analogy, while 90% of the people might love black cars, you might hate them.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

L4t3r4lu5 (1216702) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777630)

Remember this from 2007? [eurogamer.net]

I don't trust game critic scores anymore. I either play a demo myself, or I don't buy the game.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (3, Insightful)

quadrox (1174915) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776526)

I have a wii, and I regret getting it so far. The Only thing I play on it is Guitar Hero, and I certainly don't need a wii for that. Wii sports gets boring rather quickly.

Then I have one of the Resident evil games. This one is fun enough, but the graphics suck balls so much it's unbelievable - mostly due to the low resolution. Most of the other games I see in the stores don't look even remotely interesting, and those that do usually have very bad reviews.

If you know of any good games, please tell me.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776844)

Agreed, I have played quite a lot of game sso far*, and no game has blown me as much as Army Of Two (the first one) for the PS3.

Wii games are just *meh*. The ones that are part of a multiplatform release are always terrible. For example take Need4Speed Nitro, they had to do a different version from NFS Shift...

* Games I've played (I might miss one or two now):
Wii Sports Red Steel, Zelda Twilight Princess, Excite Bike, Super Mario Galaxy, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Yourself Fitness, Wii Play, Rayman Rabing Rabbids TV, Super Monkey Ball Banana, HeatSeeker, Resident Evil 4 - Wii Edition -, Silent Hill Shattered Memories, Worms A space Oddity, Call of Duty: World at War, Wii Sports Resort, Grand Slam Tennis, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, World of Goo , Super Smash Bros Brawl, New Super Mario Bros, Super Paper Mario, Swords and Soldiers, Mario Kart Wii, Deadly Creatures, Need for Speed Nitro,

Re:Tapped out, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30777180)

Need4Speed Nitro is absolutely the worst Wii game (out of 30 or so that we own).

Among my favorites are Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 and Wii Fit (helped me shed 40 lb).

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777716)

Yup, pretty crappy. Could you recommend a decent Wii racing game? (ala Gran Turismo or classic NFS?)

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

Angostura (703910) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777008)

I'm having a lot of fun with Call of Duty Modern Warfare on the Wii at the moment - the multiplayer option is rather nice.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

quadrox (1174915) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777606)

Well yeah, but I got the wii in order to play games that were unique to it (or consoles in general), not to play a game that I can play much more comfortably and with better graphics on my PC.

Is there any game for the wii that matches that description? I haven't found it yet, but then again I gave up looking quite soon due to the insane amounts of shovelware.

Re:Tapped out, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30777528)

I concur.
But check out the gamecube games. They're not better looking, but they appeal better to me.
Metroid Prime 1 & 2.
Pikmin. (Pikmin 2 for wii)
Paper mario.
Fire emblem (as mentioned above).

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

WillAdams (45638) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777628)

Depends on what you like. I like sword-play and archery, so the Wii caters better to my desires better than other consoles --- I'm also tolerable of what the OP would consider ``poor'' graphics, so take that into consideration. Notable games among the ~30 which we've bought so far:

Wii Sports Resort is quite engaging --- if one is interested in one of the specific mini-games/sports (my son likes sword-fighting, my daughter likes Rhythm Kung-Fu, my wife likes the various water games and I enjoy archery and showdown duel)

Link's Crossbow Training is a wonderful shooter w/ three different modes (on-rails target shooting, spin in a circle defense and ``ranger'' which is a full-blown first person shooter experience) --- I enjoyed it so much that I've been making wooden Wii Zapper pistols (w/ Nunchuk pass-through) and giving them to co-workers along w/ used copies of the game. Hard to pass up at least trying it since the used game is $2 --- and one probably wants a Zapper for most other light-gun games.

Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors --- this is an on-rails RPG w/ no character creation (typical, mute Japanese anime protagonist) which was the first attempt at sword-fighting on the Wii which for not having Motion Plus available worked out well enough for me to finish the game and to play out all but the final bonus boss battle (seems to take more than 45 minutes w/ no health meter for the boss....) and to temper up a full collection of swords and armor.

Valhalla Knights: Eldar Saga is a good Japanese role-playing game w/ endless customizability and basic on-line WiFi co-op play --- the controls work quite well, though the only support for motion controls is a shake to activate the burst attack. Still playing this --- maxxed out my character but need to finish buffing my equipment and collecting all of the armor sets

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn is a well done strategy combat game, but is basically a GameCube game and makes no use of the motion controls

William

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

fredrik70 (161208) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777572)

well, that novelty have lasted since it's release in 2006, quite some novelty...

Re:Tapped out, eh? (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777088)

As a matter of fact, bringing Wii graphical (and compute) power at the level of PS3 and XBox360 would make Wii ports cheaper - one could use the same polygonal models and textures (which one can not do now as it would overpower the Wii graphical engine in geometry and texturing, and probably memory use and so on).

Applaud the man. (4, Interesting)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776504)

Good for Nintendo. I don't really care about flashy sequels and having to re-buy consoles/accessories/games or hope that the backward compatibility works (if there is one). I just want people to carry on making games for a console that almost everyone has played. It's good business sense to keep your customers on a stable platform and sell optional extras / games that enhance their original purchase's value without *forcing* them to upgrade and alienating them, not to mention keeping the online Wii stores alive - how many people who have never touched emulation have been playing emulated titles on Wii without even knowing? It's good gaming sense (what matters is the game and the price, not the number of / type of peripherals, graphics, sound...) and at the end of the day, the Wii is forefront on the general public's mind... not including persistent gamers, people would struggle to give the correct name of the current version of the Xbox / Playstation, and would probably name Wii first.

"Wii 2" isn't required. Wii already proved that state-of-the-art isn't required, just a little bit of fun and know-how and something a bit different. Whether you hate it or not, you've played Wii at least once and tried it. I know that I can't say the same about the Xbox (any version) / Playstation (any version past the original PS1) consoles, yet my PC is full of every genre of game. Give it another 5 years or so, then people will be making games that actually test the limits of the Wii to the extreme all the time, then a successor that has full backwards compatibility will sell like hot cakes. And, to be honest, everyone I know that owns a Wii would actually be happier with some bundled accessory that enhances the whole console rather than a whole new console... a "HD addon" or even some processing upgrade that the Wii can interface with (like the N64 memory expansion modules, or the SuperFX/DSP chips that were in SNES games - Nintendo know what they are doing when it comes to getting the most out of a huge investment, which is why they're pretty much the only one making a decent return on hardware alone, not just the software).

If it works, and it sells, and it makes money, don't ditch it for a sequel... enhance it a bit at a time, one expenditure at a time, and keep your customers happy without shoving them between major purchases and platforms. If only MS could follow the same suit...

Re:Applaud the man. (1)

AbRASiON (589899) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776966)

"Good for Nintendo. I don't really care about flashy sequels and having to re-buy consoles/accessories/games or hope that the backward compatibility works (if there is one). I just want people to carry on making games for a console that almost everyone has played."

So you want Nintendo to keep re-hashing the same thing OVER and OVER and OVER as they've done (although there's some innovation with the Wii, it's the same thing again and again and again but with a new controller)

Nintendo are famous for it, the users seem to continue to lap it up, they are the apple of the gaming industry it seems.
Throw me the dumb FPS and action games on the other 2, I'll gladly take them - at least the stories have some variety.

Re:Applaud the man. (1)

ledow (319597) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777450)

Played the new mario game? It's a combination of all the previous Mario games.
Played Wii Sports Resort? It's Wii Sports with knobs on.
Played Mario Kart Wii? It's like every Mario kart game.

So, yes, the Wii itself is almost *entirely* rehash. Really hurt their sales figures, didn't it? And why? Because it's still *new* and *fun* at the same time as being *familiar*.

I don't care about them rehashing, so long as it's still fun to play with a crowd of friends. And there's still new stuff too. If you want to get technical, Half-life 2 was just a rehash of Half-life 1, which was a rehash of Quake, which was a rehash of Doom... just because it's the same thing again doesn't mean you can't be innovative and create a game that people want to play.

I don't mean rehashing specifically, but just the fact that you can make a game for a stable platform that's going to be around for years to come. I'd rather know that people were still making Wii games than focusing all their efforts on some "Wii 2"... hell, I still play NES, SNES, and N64 games and I'd love that people were still making them, even if they were within the limits of the technology of those consoles.

I'd like one change (5, Insightful)

samael (12612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776600)

An HDMI cable. Every other device connected to the TV has one, but the Wii insists on converting to analogue and back again. I can't think of any reason why this would be terribly expensive or difficult to do. They wouldn't even need to support higher resolutions - just the same ones over HDMI.

Re:I'd like one change (1)

Custard Horse (1527495) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776678)

I'll second that. To continue selling it needs to be 'connectable' to modern equipment. My first-version 360 doesn't have HDMI which makes it near useless in a modern setup. Component just doesn't cut it with a lot of TVs.

The Wii was never about graphics, it is an inexpensive console which does not try to compete with the 360 or PS3. An HD version would have to be the same price or maybe 10% more expensive otherwise it would price itself out of the market.

Re:I'd like one change (1)

samael (12612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776722)

They could always do what they did with the component cable (which is what I currently use) and price it higher. That way only those people that care would spend the extra cash.

Re:I'd like one change (3, Informative)

Professor_UNIX (867045) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776846)

What do you mean component just doesn't cut it? I watch HDTV perfectly fine with component cables on my HDTV. In fact, I'm not using HDMI anywhere.

Re:I'd like one change (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30777106)

I'll second that. To continue selling it needs to be 'connectable' to modern equipment. My first-version mouse doesn't have USB which makes it near useless in a modern setup. PS/2 just doesn't cut it with a lot of computers.

FTFY

Re:I'd like one change (1)

Calinous (985536) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777134)

The use of a lower quality analog connection leaves you with washed colors and an overall reduction in sharpness. I used one of those (15 feet long), and there is degraded quality from PC to TV.

Re:I'd like one change (1)

the person standing (1134789) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776868)

I don't see a problem with analogue connection. Most people wouldn't be able to use it anyway and there would be no noticable improvement in picture quality, not even for the highest resulution the Wii can support. I prefer to use my HDMI inputs for devices which really benefit from it. HDMI would just add production cost without actual benefit.

Re:I'd like one change (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777654)

I agree that it would be a great idea, but not because of any picture quality. The advantage would be being able to use it with computer monitors which don't have SD component inputs.
Even the GameCube had some kind of obscure digital output for japanese TVs, even on the american and european models. Surely a HDMI port can't be that challenging.

Re:I'd like one change (1)

samael (12612) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777696)

Yup, absolutely. HDMI is fast becoming the standard interconnect for video to all displays. And it does sound too - what's not to like?

Hm. It sure wouldn't hurt to update it a little... (1, Interesting)

cyxxon (773198) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776608)

I don't own a Wii myself, I own a Xbox 360, on which I rarely play though. One of my best friends owns a Wii though, and of course we throw in a game or two when we are at their place. And everytime, after some minutes, I am at the point where the graphics really get to me. Not that it doesn't have the latest whatchamacallit-shaders, huge textures, hardware geometry tesselation and all that, no, but that that it simply does not do antialiasing and / or HD. It is just all so freaking jaggy it is a pain to look at (on a 52" LCD in this case). I personally might buy a Wii HD if it came out if it added nothing to the feature list but a very good upscaling algorithm to 1080p and HDMI. That's all.

Re:Hm. It sure wouldn't hurt to update it a little (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776714)

For best viewing on new lcd tvs you have to use component cable. Av standard cable sucks on any lcd tv. Have you seen a xbox360 or ps3 with av component on huge lcd screens? Looks like crap.

Re:Hm. It sure wouldn't hurt to update it a little (1)

dougisfunny (1200171) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776806)

It still has pretty bad jaggys even over the component, since it does no AA and its only 720x480.

Re:Hm. It sure wouldn't hurt to update it a little (1)

Khyber (864651) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777702)

A decent LCDTV has built-in smoothing when you drop to lower resolutions. My Samsung S550 does it. It's like a built in 2xSAI filter.

Re:Hm. It sure wouldn't hurt to update it a little (1)

walshy007 (906710) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777150)

sd consoles always look like shit on HDTV's unless you either have a really good upscaler or you have an analog HDTV (huzzah for analog rear projection)

Like they would really tell (4, Insightful)

otie (915090) | more than 4 years ago | (#30776666)

No savvy console manufacturer confirms a hardware upgrade before it's just about to hit. Otherwise it'll hurt sales before the upgrade date.

Re:Like they would really tell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776944)

No savvy console manufacturer confirms a hardware upgrade before it's just about to hit. Otherwise it'll hurt sales before the upgrade date.

MS did it and plunged XBox sales before 360

do7l (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30776814)

real problems 7hat its corpse turned start a holy war were compounded [theos.com] on his

He would say that no matter what (1)

Lord Kenja (45995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777102)

Nobody would ever admit they have an updated product coming, until they are close to releasing it. Official confirmation of a new Wii would kill the sales of the current one. So they would have to be ready before doing so.

Nintendo does good (1)

mikeFromBavaria (1721818) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777136)

not to upgrade the hardware for now. I think they better should come up with some more new gameplays. the Wii has already proved that it is not important to have the best graphics engine but to have good games! Webdesign [webdesigns-rosenheim.de]

needs hard drive (1)

MickyTheIdiot (1032226) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777444)

It looks like no one has even mentioned the biggest problem I have with the Wii (a console a otherwise love): no hard drive.

Of course, I don't think this would be a massive hardware change for it. Homebrewers are already putting hard drives on it. Maybe they release a Wii 2.0 with hard drive?

Re:needs hard drive (1)

LordVader717 (888547) | more than 4 years ago | (#30777736)

Hard drives are history. I don't think any of the next generation consoles, presumably 2012, will come with one. They're too expensive for the functionality they'll provide. Flash drives make much more sense. Even now you can buy a 16 GB SD card for the Wii which will hold more games than you could afford to download.

Play Movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30777452)

Agree with the execs - hardware is fine for now - but they really need to figure a way to play dvd and cd content.... would love to drop the dvd player from my living room....

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