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GM CIO Says HP Hiring Probe "Not the Best Use Our Legal System"

Unknown Lamer posted about a year ago | from the abandon-ship dept.

HP 101

dcblogs writes "General Motors CIO Randy Mott Thursday said the automaker plans to have the 'best jobs in the IT industry' at its four 'IT Innovation Centers' in the U.S., as it announced its third one in Roswell, Ga., near Atlanta... As part of its effort to insource its IT work, GM recently hired 18 HP employees from its IT organization, who left 'en masse,' prompting HP to go to court to seek depositions from two former IT managers who left for GM. Mott, the CIO at HP before moving to GM last year, said HP's move is 'not the best use our legal system.' Mott called HP's court filing a 'fishing expedition' that 'feels very retaliatory and harassing to the individuals. I think talent will go where talent sees opportunity.' GM is building a tech staff of about 10,000. As part of it, HP is transferring over about 3,000 employees. HP is a longtime services provider for the automaker via its services unit, the former EDS."

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and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552449)

some of the virii and hacks available so they can keep there stuff safer , why cause my family all worked for them and i want them to succeed.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (0)

YodasEvilTwin (2014446) | about a year ago | (#42552503)

Congratulations on having no friggin' clue what you're talking about.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552525)

In all fairness, I don't think anybody has any clue what he's talking about.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (0)

r1348 (2567295) | about a year ago | (#42552619)

I for sure don't.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (3, Funny)

paiute (550198) | about a year ago | (#42553261)

Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Anonymous Coward for clearly stating what needed to be said. I'm particulary glad that these lovely children were reading Slashdot today to read that speech. Not only was it authentic Internet gibberish, it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (1)

ixidor (996844) | about a year ago | (#42556583)

Joseph Johnson is Right!, Hey, i didn't get a harrumph out of you!

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year ago | (#42562331)

Truly, this is internet gibberish in it's natural state. Undisturbed by the arguing of trolls or muting of moderators, magestically wafting across phone wires, cable lines, and forever through the air in a radio frequency being read and misunderstood by all who see it, whilst making observers ponder the meaning of truth when statements without any meaning at all can be made. Perhaps the OP is right, perhaps we should all just occasionally bundle together english-like but apparently arbitrary statements to proclaim passionately, as if imbued by the thoughts of the millions of internet kids before us and to spread forward through time this truly beautiful and inane practice of making no sense, to ensure it lives forever. If ever this kind of almost-sense stops being spread by AC, I'll make sure to pick that torch up and carry it myself until I see a new generation willing to keep the flame alive.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42553463)

And yet you give him attention.

Re:and ive gone and given there lawyers.... (1)

Falkentyne (760418) | about a year ago | (#42552577)

some of the virii and hacks available so they can keep there stuff safer , why cause my family all worked for them and i want them to succeed.

Yes, tend to agree to keep it better in the time frame. When my family also worked they can do it better too. ...I'm not sure if I'm trolling.

HP continues its long slow auger into the ground (4, Insightful)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year ago | (#42552517)

overpriced products lagging behind and becoming less robust, workers leaving in droves, talent being driven off......only a matter of time. HP the has-been is circling the drain

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#42552923)

Not completely sure I agree. HP will most likely continue to exist and thrive.

...albeit as a much smaller company.

THRIVE????? (1)

rubycodez (864176) | about a year ago | (#42553647)

are you kidding 3Q worst earnings in company history, 4Q 2012 even worse.

HP is going down

Re:THRIVE????? (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#42562465)

Well, as I said, I expect HP to become a much smaller company. And then miniscule earnings by historic standards would be acceptable considering the size they had shrunk to.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42554197)

Shrinking, diminishing revenues, loss of key personnel, etc do not contribute to "thrive". "Exist", sure, but not "thrive". You might want to check a dictionary.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

firex726 (1188453) | about a year ago | (#42556539)

Yea, "exist" in terms of SCO existing... But no one would say they are thriving.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

AwesomeMcgee (2437070) | about a year ago | (#42562535)

Reminds me of IBM's trajectory through a fair portion of the last decade, they ended up finding stable footing, just in a completely different space than they were before they fell down so hard: As a leading outsourcing contractor. They'll gladly give you overpriced contractors of any sort you want; except North American. They make good money in this practice no less, and have started growing again. HP I suspect will find a corner of it's company that has remained profitable regardless of the shitstorm it's executing onto itself, and just retreat into that corner and continue to grow from there like IBM did. My curiosity is, what version of HP will come out of this? Be interesting to find out.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

SonnyDog09 (1500475) | about a year ago | (#42556219)

To paraphrase Spinal Tap: Their customer base is becoming more selective.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (5, Insightful)

Lord Ender (156273) | about a year ago | (#42552925)

It's like they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot. They are having trouble attracting and retaining talent? So they sue their former employees? Who would want to work for a company that does that? Do they think they can keep their current employees from leaving using fear? Disgusting.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (0)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42554851)

Well, the thinking goes, if you sue the talent for leaving, then in the future, the talent will be too afraid to leave; thus, you retain the talent, through the use of fear, and don't spend any extra money (the other way of retaining talent), which is a good thing, because that talent is overpriced anyway...they need to get with the real world, and realize that the days of paying high five-figures or even six-figures jobs are over, especially when the mid-level manager over them (who has a MBA, and spends his weekends networking with the right people) isn't earning that much more. I mean, we need to preserve the company hierarchy, with managers getting paid more than the talent, no matter how badly we need that talent (who spent several years in college, studying & working on problems we can't begin to understand, sacrificing their nights and weekends for a better life at some point in the future), otherwise we'll have anarchy! That's what all the best performing companies out there have, a clear, delineated company structure! I read about that in the books from the management section of Barnes & Noble (like the Secret! Who knew that if you pictured yourself wanting it, it would just come to you?), as well as the trade mags that seem to appear in my mail after way too much drinking with the vendor's sales staff (they're so nice too, and it's important to remember that we're all in this together! One hand washes the other, I always say; I don't understand what the techs are complaining about this ten-one-hundred stuff being last year; who's the manager? I am! That's why I am paid the big bucks, to do the thinking, and they're paid whatever commoners get paid these days (which is always too much), to be my personal servants or whatever.).

RIP, HP. You had a great legacy, and many were proud to work for you; but the people up top apparently have no understanding how to actually grow a business, and do so profitably.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42561195)

if you sue the talent for leaving, then in the future, the talent will be too afraid to leave; thus, you retain the talent, through the use of fear, and don't spend any extra money (the other way of retaining talent)

One of the other ways. Treating them well helps too (and doesn't necessarily cost money).

Otherwise, I'm with you 100%. I thought they'd banned indentured servitude?

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42558603)

the funniest part of it is that HP has laid off large numbers of employees on any number of occasions, so it's not like any HP employee should hold HP in high regard as an employer

Workers leaving in droves (2)

mrheckman (939480) | about a year ago | (#42553173)

HP layoffs (not all layoffs, really, but also including early retirement offers accepted and attrition without replacement) total over 120,000 for the past decade (includes the 29,000 in the latest round announced last Spring and increased by 2,000 in September, but not all yet realized). The issue with the workers jumping to GM is simply whether GM violated the contract. If those employees had gone, en masse, someplace else, HP would not have grounds to question it. From my point of view, the employees in question helped HP get closer to reaching the downsizing goal.

Re:Workers leaving in droves (4, Informative)

WaywardGeek (1480513) | about a year ago | (#42555187)

I worked for HP for a year. I found out that David Packard was the soul of HP. He retired before I hired on, which explains why things sucked more each day. I was at the Cupertino site in the quake of 89, and shortly after I quit, David came back for a while, and things got good again, or so I hear. Then he retired for the last time, and we've had stupid people running HP ever since.

So, the current stupid people running the previously great HP feel like violating California law once again and suing a company that hires HP's suffering workers away. One of the reasons Silicon Valley did so well is due to the wisdom of the California law makers. Now I have to go throw up. "wisdom of the California law makers"... that's sure to result in barf everywhere. However, it's true in this case. They made it illegal to restrict a person from freely seeking employment. Restrictions that a-holes nation wide have passed as law allow companies to restrict a person's future employment without compensation. That's where California law differs. If your old boss wants a non-compete, the company actually has to pay you for it. If they simply say "all our employees have non-competes", then it doesn't hold up.

One result of this was people left stupid jobs in droves and formed new companies. It was not only good, but totally awesome for everyone. I haven't read TFA, but I assume it's some non-California office suing in a typical screw-you state where workers right to work is trampled on. If it's filed in California, it will go nowhere.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42553827)

overpriced products lagging behind and becoming less robust, workers leaving in droves, talent being driven off ...

You forgot to mention their penchant for burning through [mb]illions on seemingly ineffectual CEO after CEO.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

Runaway1956 (1322357) | about a year ago | (#42554215)

Oh wow - you've forgotten all the lessons taught to us by current economists and management elite. You've GOT to pay those failure CEO's those millions and billions! How else can you attract quality failure CEO'S?

Come on, man, get with the program! This isn't the early 1900's where people were rewarded for success. Today, you are only rewarded for being a yes man, or for nepotism, or for destroying a company.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42555327)

I agree with Mr. Runaway1956.Those CEOs were paid that much because they EARNED it, libtards. Let's get this straight. If you are rich then you are smart, talented, hard working, and deserve everything you get. If you are poor then you are uneducated, worthless, lazy, and deserve everything you get. That's they way God entended it and that's why he wrote it in the Bible. Ever heard of American Exceptionalism? Um, the idea that we're chosen by God to be great? Probably not. Slashdot is a nest of lib communists. Every one of these HP EX EMPLOYEES should be sued for ruining the great company that Meg Whitman et al. BUILT ALONE. THEY DID IT!!!! Barack Hussein OBAMA!

Yes, this is a quote from Fox News.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42554871)

Indeed. Were I chairman of MS, HP, or AMD, I'd be looking at the summary executions of the CxOs who ran my companies. I mean, we're making business history here with the sheer number of large companies seemingly capsizing through ineptitude.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42558275)

Were I chairman of MS, HP, or AMD, I'd be looking at the summary executions of the CxOs who ran my companies.

MS & HP, yes. I don't agree about AMD. I don't know (or much care) about how the company/stocks are performing, but I swear by their products and they won their suit against Intel (as they should). I've no complaints about AMD. I like the AMD stuff I've owned.

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42553861)

Sounds like IBM...

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (2)

tlhIngan (30335) | about a year ago | (#42555069)

Interestingly prior to his death Steve Jobs fought to have Mark Hurd reinstated [macrumors.com] after his ouster, arguing that a strong HP was fundamental to Silicon Valley and that without Hurd, HP would face a death spiral.

Alas, the board didn't agree (despite Jobs) and Jobs got to see his prediction come true.

Dell Chasing HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42558527)

Dell seems to be chasing HP as well. Lately they've been all about acquisitions and moving into "services".

Re:HP continues its long slow auger into the groun (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42562445)

And yet they're still hiring lots of people in tiny little hick towns for some odd reason.

Your comment is ignorant and uninformed.

What is this, "skip the little words" day? (3, Funny)

wonkey_monkey (2592601) | about a year ago | (#42552527)

GM CIO Says HP Hiring Probe "Not the Best Use Of Our Legal System"

I was going to check the summary for mistakes but it seems to have been written by M. C. Esher. Goin' up the sideways stairs!

Re:What is this, "skip the little words" day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552727)

Yup, congratulations to the submitter and/or editor for being so dumb as to mess up the copy pasting of a quote and not doing their job afterwards.

Re:What is this, "skip the little words" day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42554631)

who cares? the people who generally care too much about this are autists.It's like every severe autist is a grammar nazi

Re:What is this, "skip the little words" day? (1)

headcase88-2 (2613991) | about a year ago | (#42556847)

Which raises an interesing point. In the past, depending the time and place, it was considered arrogant for something to have perfect spelling and grammar. While I don't agree that either, minor mistakes don't hurt readability much. Hopefully this comment will help test that theory one way or the other.

Re:What is this, "skip the little words" day? (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42561301)

In the past, depending the time and place, it was considered arrogant for something to have perfect spelling and grammar.

[citatian needed]

Also (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552529)

Not the best use proofread.

In other news, Jack the Ripper speaks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552613)

Suggests that the Bobbies would be better off investigating crimes besides homicide and prostitution, like Germanification in the British Royal House.

Ha (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552697)

These companies that don't value talent should not whine and cry foul when said talent leaves for greener pastures.

Heads up, companies. You want talent to stay? Then stop resisting reasonable raises, deserved promotions, and piling on extra work for no reason other than you feel you can get away with it because the "economy is bad and you should feel grateful you even have a job, prole!"

Greed is doing this to itself and I have ZERO sympathy.

Re:Ha (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year ago | (#42552829)

The weirder thing is that apparently there is some formal process for those 3000 HP employees to become GM employees anyway, so eighteen represents about 0.6% of those employees.

Re:Ha (2)

rhsanborn (773855) | about a year ago | (#42557039)

It's not the numbers, it's the specific employees. These were key employees in leadership positions. These are the kind of employees HP doesn't want to leave. Further, HP is afraid these employees will siphon away more of the good staff still at HP. It turns out downsizing often works this way. You tend to lose the good people and get left with the chaff.

Eeek eek SPLASH (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42561411)

They say rats desert a sinking ship, and I guess the smartest rats are first over the side.

Of course, this can be avoided by not sailing into rocks and shit.

Re:Ha (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42554373)

These companies that don't value talent should not whine and cry foul when said talent leaves for greener pastures.

Well, yeah. They're peed by losing said talent. These people know how to do things, and losing them is a loss. Alternatively, this is an Imaginary Property pissing match. That's my guess. What're they taking with them? The keys to the (dieing) kingdom?

Re:Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42555277)

Nice point. Now imagine if the money behind this legal pursuit actually went into retaining employees with improved pay and benefits.

They wouldn't do that. Noooo, don't have the budget. But when a whole bunch of people leave they still have the money to spend on trying to beat 'em with a stick. So where did that money come from again?

Re:Ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42562269)

If HP were smart about this, they would be nice to their former employees, and wish them well as they find happy new homes among lots of big, well-heeled end users like GM. What better way to support sales of new stuff, than by having your people in their camp.

If GM was using EDS... (5, Informative)

The Archon V2.0 (782634) | about a year ago | (#42552701)

... then I think that they deserve to do a little bit of poaching, seeing as EDS's motto while I was there was "How can we screw you while staying within the bounds of our contract today?"

Re:If GM was using EDS... (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42552775)

They have always used EDS. In fact, for a while they owned them too.

Sinking Ship (1)

Mistakill (965922) | about a year ago | (#42552755)

HP is pretty much a sinking ship, and they keep firing torpedoes at themselves... why would anyone stay if they can work elsewhere

Re:Sinking Ship (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42554887)

Indeed. The whole razor-blade model with the printer ink business...I hope no one thought that would actually last long term.

The market is always changing. It does that because it's made up of living beings. As such, it's best to always prepare for a potential siege.

On the positive side of this . . . (2)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | about a year ago | (#42552771)

Each company seems to be valuing employees as assets . . . instead of liabilities.

Usually companies only sue each other over patents, not over people.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (1)

TWX (665546) | about a year ago | (#42552851)

I think that the real issue is if HP tries to enforce some kind of no-compete against these specific employees or not, and given the nature of the apparent transition, if such a no-compete is even a valid argument when such a large division of employees are moving.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (4, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#42552945)

At first I was inclined to agree, but it's also possible that this is more like a divorce, where HP wants the employees back only because GM wants them.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42553721)

You nean jealousy? Like "I'm jealous that Suzy has cool toys"?

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (1)

roc97007 (608802) | about a year ago | (#42554153)

Not really. More like "I'm going to pursue custody of Suzy and Johnny not because I want them, but because it would make you unhappy." I'm told this is common in divorce.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (2)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42554963)

I favor it being company paranoia. See, from HP's view, they've been hemorrhaging money for a long period of time; they seem to be getting the worst of every deal, and all of their ventures seem to be ending in failure; after a while of this, the mind enters a dark phase, when it begins entertaining unnatural thoughts; Why? Because it's trying to learn, adapt, cope, understand why it is continually failing; and one of the things you learn from school, is that sometimes there are people, acting in unison, against you; doing so quietly, and you are the last to know; as such, minor things become 'hints' of bigger things lurking under the surface; so, HP thinks that GM has actually been working to steal HP's employees for months, possibly years; and perhaps that is why HP hasn't been able to negotiate as much from GM as it could have (it had been working to undermine HP); again, this is money potentially lost, and in HP's mind, it's a clear case that GM has been thieving its goods (remember how paranoid HP is about money right now).

Think of it being like a police department that is particularly bad at its job; so when they finally catch someone in the act of a crime, they punish them brutally, thinking that it will serve as a deterrent to others; in reality, it just shows them losing their grip.

If HP wants to save itself, it needs to find the willpower to do a powerful sanity check, and oust the people who have been ailing it (from the inside). Anyone who isn't focused on creating new products, or keeping track of the accounts, or helping HP keep itself out of hot water (legally or from a business standpoint), and doing so with some level of aggression, needs to go. HP needs to R&D itself out of this hole, and that won't happen if R&D isn't being run by technology people; HP does not need flash in the pan, this is the current trend but won't be in six months technology; it needs something stable, something that it can build future products on, something that isn't an also-ran product that has to compete purely on price with the competition. That means features that can't be easily copied. And those take engineers, scientists, and so on to build; they also take time. HP should trim its sails, and prepare to re-enter the market in five years.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42558701)

Each company seems to be valuing employees as assets . . . instead of liabilities.

That is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. You must be an accountant, or an MBA.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42562943)

I know some accountants and MBAs, and I think they'd rightfully be offended by that.

He's probably a policeman or a politician.

Re:On the positive side of this . . . (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42563729)

That is one of the stupidest things I've seen in a while. You must be an accountant, or an MBA.

I know some accountants and MBAs, and I think they'd rightfully be offended by that.

I've known some accountants and MBAs, and I can't think of many other people who've seemed worth less, all tolled. For instance, $accountant is studiously transcribing a column of numbers from the spreadsheet on their computer's monitor into their (physical) desktop calculator to sum the column of numbers.

That is close to the stupidest thing I've ever seen anyone do. i) Any spreadsheet program can sum a column of numbers (Right (MB-3)-click ...). ii) Transcription errors? "What're those?" iii) Why's "IT" considered a "Cost Centre"? Because "Finance" hasn't a clue what we geeks do? Duh.

To be fair, however, I don't have a great deal of respect for the medical doctors or lawyers I've run across either. Perhaps I'm just too picky. I expect professionals to be better than your average plebe. Not in my experience. Tunnel-visioned idiot savants is a better description.

Outsourcing (5, Insightful)

Loopy (41728) | about a year ago | (#42552811)

Considering how HP has been shedding business groups and teams to China, India and Dell after upper management screwed with their unit managers, I can't believe anyone thinks these people are surprised the rats are fleeing the ship. If HP wants outsourced, bottom-dollar employee costs, they're gonna end up with outsourced, bottom-dollar employees. And when you fuck over people who were saving the company millions of dollars per year and were almost universally respected by colleagues and appreciated by their direct reports, it's no wonder those teams feel marginalized and like they're next of the potential chopping block. 12 straight years of layoffs/outsourcing takes a toll on the best of us.

Re:Outsourcing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42555311)

There is always a necessary group of people of a certain category. In a bank its the economists, in our company its the software engineers. Without them the company halts. HP seems to have management.

"non compete" (4, Insightful)

mbaGeek (1219224) | about a year ago | (#42552815)

Mr. Mott doesn't make a very convincing defense. Sounds like "Yeah, we did what we are accused of - but so what"

this is probably a very simple case - assuming HP made their employees sign some form of "non compete" or other employment agreement/contract, but proving collusion or conspiracy and getting damages is going to be hard for HP. Sure, the employees in question were free to "'resign en masse and without notice' but were probably contractually limited from going to work directly with GM - (which is why HP wants to talk to the people involved).

my IANAL opinion is that no matter how this plays out, HP looks bad and "loses."

Re:"non compete" (2)

SQLGuru (980662) | about a year ago | (#42552893)

Honestly, Randy Mott could have had a personal relationship with all of these people. His CIO stints went include Walmart, Dell, HP, and now GM. He took people with him from Walmart to Dell. He took people with him from Dell to HP. Why wouldn't he take people with him from HP to GM?

Besides, GM is actually offering really nice packages (including a free car and gas paid for) to those in Austin working for GM.

[Disclaimer: I was at Dell when Mott came from Walmart and when he left for HP. I have friends at all four companies. I no longer work for Dell.]

Re:"non compete" (1)

mbaGeek (1219224) | about a year ago | (#42553377)

The legal question isn't "is this a common practice" but what type of contract HP had with the employees.

Years ago I was an "on site tech guy" for a small tech firm (fixing IBM PC/XTs and PS/2s - good times), they asked me to sign a "non compete" agreement which basically said if I stole their customer away that I'd have to pay damages equal to the value of the contract. I'd be surprised if HP didn't have some such agreement with their employees (it is expensive to find talent - and it sounds like these were the people that HP wanted to keep around)

I'm sure Mr. Mott is a fine human being - and will do a fine job. A huge part of his job will be hiring good people. After your post, I'm even more convinced that HP can't win and needs to re-evaluate their HR practices.

Re:"non compete" (1)

SQLGuru (980662) | about a year ago | (#42553813)

In Texas, it's an at-will state. There was some weird thing where if he had moved to California they could have gone after him, but he kept offices in Texas to get past the loophole. His office is in Austin for GM.....probably for a similar reason.

Re:"non compete" (1)

tqk (413719) | about a year ago | (#42559143)

He took people with him from Walmart to Dell. He took people with him from Dell to HP. Why wouldn't he take people with him from HP to GM?

This is nitpicking, I know, but you can't "take" people. He can offer them a job, but it's up to them whether they accept. It sounds to me like Mott is one of those rare gems that people love to work for. Naturally people will want to follow him wherever he goes.

We don't often run across managers who know what they're supposed to be doing. When we do, we stick to them like they're flypaper.

Re:"non compete" (1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42553519)

My opinion. This is someone at HP that is responsible for answering why so many people are leaving and morale is in the tubes. Instead of looking INSIDE the company for the real answer, they are blaming it on someone else. I work at a non tech company that has an IT department of about 120 people. We had the same exact problem a few years ago. No one wanted to hear the real reason people were leaving. Exit interview comments were all saying the same thing but it was brushed off and no one believed it. A short time before a lot of people started leaving, our new director of personnel gave everyone (not just the IT department) a speech saying how lucky we were to have a job and if we were not willing to give the effort required, they would find someone that would. The market changed (for IT at least) in our area and people started leaving. Years of no training, the carrot of outsourcing, being treated like a piece of crap can not be undone that easily.

Re:"non compete" (1)

jrumney (197329) | about a year ago | (#42554543)

Why should the EMPLOYEES be contractually limited from going to work directly with the client? This should have been in the contract with GM if anywhere.

non compete (1)

aepervius (535155) | about a year ago | (#42556281)

The non compete we do make people sign are about working in the same industry, or the same type of projects. Are the non compete in the US so screwed up that you can't work anywhere no matter the industry ?

Opportunity for talent? (1)

OhANameWhatName (2688401) | about a year ago | (#42552909)

I think talent will go where talent sees opportunity

Which begs the question, where do the untalented people work? Obviously not for failing computer companies or near bankrupt automotive manufacturers.

Re:Opportunity for talent? (1)

Miseph (979059) | about a year ago | (#42553041)

I don't think anyone has ever suggested that either HP or GM was suffering because their IT departments weren't up to snuff. Why should we doubt that many of those IT workers are talented at what they do simply because the company they work for is apparently bad at doing something that is only tangentially related?

Re:Opportunity for talent? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42563209)

Which begs the question

No it doesn't.

Horse Poo - they hate their employees (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42553021)

First of all, they lay off a bunch of people, then they get mad when those who are left go somewhere else? How dare they! We are corporations and we get to dictate who and where and when you can work.

Also, as a corporation, we can pre-text into your accounts as we see fit. Only individuals are not allowed to do these things. You see, corporations can get away with anything. Republicans seem to think that is just fine.

These are not the droids you're looking for. (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#42553205)

So the leader of the group of employees who departed HP's EDS division (to go work for GM instead as direct employees instead of as contract employees via EDS via HP, whew need a breath of air after that) wants to tell HP "hey, you're worrying to much. We've already left... Why worry about the legal implications or if we broke any contractual obligations or noncompetes or anything... Just let us do what we want!"
.
tldr of that leader's rant: "We are not the droids you're looking for".

Re:These are not the droids you're looking for. (1)

lightknight (213164) | about a year ago | (#42554985)

Arguably, this is not what HP should be focusing its attention on at the moment. It won't make the company any money worth pursuing; if anything, it'll cost HP, forcing them to divert resources away from its core, at a time when it can ill afford to.

Re:These are not the droids you're looking for. (1)

girlinatrainingbra (2738457) | about a year ago | (#42555143)

Re: Arguably, this is not what HP should be focusing its attention on at the moment
.
Actually, I agree with you in that. I was just pointing out that the people at the center of the controversy are often not the best or most reliable spokepersons for the concept that there is not really a controversy at all. They have a vested interest in not being blamed for what's happened. Another e.g. would be the fox and the henhouse:
Fox speaking when caught at the henhouse "People, people... Reporters... don't we all have more pressing issues and matters before us than who has been raiding this henhouse? There's the season's flu epidemic, there's the backlog of confirmations in the house and the senate, there's the truly important problem of peace in the middle east, not to even mention the problem of peas in the middle of the soup!!! Let's concentrate on what's important here!!!"

The fact that HP does want to focus on it makes me leery and worried that there is some other larger matter which they are trying to hide or hide from. Perhaps the accounting irregularities or their actual fore-knowledge about the booking of profits with the european company they purchased and which they blame for their book losses? PErhaps something else even worse? When you're grasping at straws, it only makes you look weak and like you have no stronger hand which you could play. Perhaps HP really does not have any stronger hand it can play.

HP Hiring Probe? (5, Funny)

PPH (736903) | about a year ago | (#42553273)

Look, I'll put up with interviews and coding tests. But if the nurse from HR comes at me with a probe, I'm leaving.

Re:HP Hiring Probe? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42554639)

Ill take that interview :-0

8====> ( )( )

HP believes in capitalism, right? (3, Insightful)

sootman (158191) | about a year ago | (#42553511)

All day long, HP tries to make cheaper computers than Dell and GM tries to make cheaper cars than Ford, because that's what they exist for -- to make as much money as they can. But when GM offers some HP employees (I presume) more pay, all of a sudden they want to make a federal* fucking case out of it? Fuck them.

They've been laying off literally thousands of employees -- what the fuck is this "NO! You can't leave! Stay here until we fire you!" shit?!?!? WHO IN THEIR RIGHT GODDAMN MIND would wait around to be treated like that? If you can get a good job, go get it, because HP sure as shit doesn't have any loyalty to you. Who knows when their CEO-of-the-week is going to wake up one morning and decide to shitcan your whole division? [google.com] Again I say: Fuck them.

* OK, Texas, but still... "state case" isn't a catchy impression.

No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (0)

Nova Express (100383) | about a year ago | (#42554917)

GM exists to fund UAW pensions and get bailed out by the government.

Making competitive cars isn't part of equation anymore.

Re:No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42555189)

cool

I guess someone should tell this guy:

Akerson's GM outlook cautiously bullish [detroitnews.com]

"General Motors Co. is poised to post 12 consecutive quarters of profits and shed remaining government ownership, but Dan Akerson sounds like a CEO who needs more."

ooops what were you saying again? get some new talking points.

Re:No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (1)

SargentDU (1161355) | about a year ago | (#42556605)

You refer to an opinion page as proof?

Re:No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | about a year ago | (#42558271)

Reality trumps all. Like Ford, GM seems to be making good use of their bail out money. When Ford went to Washington and told the committees that the interest free bail out that they received a year prior helped them get everything under control, they let GM have a nice chunk of cash, but with interest this time. Seems to be working so far. Ford is healthy, GM is healthy. Jobs are being made.

Re:No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (1)

Hognoxious (631665) | about a year ago | (#42563269)

Ford is healthy, GM is healthy. Jobs are being made.

You can always make jobs by throwing money at something. The question is, did you lose more jobs in the places you took the money from?

Re:No, GM doesn't exist to make cars (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42560241)

What part of 12 consecutive quarters of profits sounded like an opinion to you?

If you can find another article proving that wrong, by all means, knock yourself out... or you can just put your fingers in your ears when reality slaps your cherished misconceptions in the face.

Hello Mr. Limbaugh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42558205)

How is that cup o' Kool Aide doing for you?

Team poaching common (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42554055)

In MBA school we studied not only why it works well, but how to poach an entire team.

well... (1)

slashmydots (2189826) | about a year ago | (#42554835)

It's not the best use of our slashdot either but here it is. Actually, crushing that gigantic piece of crap that they call a company with the US legal system is like 8 different kinds of awesome and useful. They should go after Paypal and AOL and AT&T for whatever reason they can pull out of their ass too just to get them the hell out of here.

Randy Mott (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42554913)

I forgot he moved to General Motors. Mott was a notorious asshole when I worked for him HP. Maybe he was just Hurd's puppet, but his cost cutting left HP IT absolutely decimated. I'm kind of surprised they did it now; I wouldn't jump ship from anywhere to work for him. (Has HP gotten *that* bad?)

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42555201)

Google has decided to start manufacturing its own vehicles.

All service providers have these covenants (1)

gelfling (6534) | about a year ago | (#42556895)

Because it's a conflict of interest to bid on a deal for a customer and then 'magically' go to work for them. It smacks of a payoff.

And the best use of our legal system is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about a year ago | (#42557725)

...Not to use it at all. But try convincing anybody of that, ever.

Better be careful, they'll get you (1)

BVis (267028) | about a year ago | (#42558091)

The reason that HP is so pissed about this is that GM has broken one of the cardinal unwritten rules of Big Business: Never treat your employees like they are anything other than cogs in the machine. Noisy, expensive, whiny cogs. Cogs that arrogantly ask for reasonable wages and raises, and health insurance, and 401ks. Don't they know that those things eat into the profits? They should treat their employees like liabilities to be minimized. If GM or another big company starts treating their employees like human beings, pretty soon those employees are going to feel like they have a right to be treated that way, and stop asking 'how high' when some overpaid suit tells them to jump. Arrogant selfish bastards, all of them.

GM IT is contrarian (maybe right) (1)

peter303 (12292) | about a year ago | (#42558941)

GM was one of the first large companies to outsource most of its IT when it divested its IT to Hughes Electronics in the 1980s. (EDS acquired Hughes; HP acquired EDS) Many other companies the did the same. Now GM is one of the first large companies to insource back these operations.
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